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Furcal and Soriano??

If you felt a little warmer Friday, that's because the Hot Stove came to town, in a big big way.

ITI has learned from a source close to the Cubs that free agent shortstop Raphael Furcal and the Cubs have all but finalized a deal that will bring the shortstop to Chicago for the next five years, with a mutual option for a sixth year.  The source told ITI that the deal could pay Furcal as much as $100 million including the sixth year and "significant performance bonuses" that included winning a batting title, the stolen base title, and a bonus if he plays in 150 games for each of the first three years of his contract.

The news that Furcal was coming to the North Side would have easily been enough, but our source also had one more juicy bit of info.

The Cubs might make one more deal that could give them arguably the greatest infield in the history of baseball.

The rumor goes that the Cubs are close to finalizing a seven player deal with the Texas Rangers that would bring Alfonso Soriano and Kevin Mench to the Cubs in exchange for Jerome Williams, Todd Walker, and three minor leaguers, one of whom is believed to be right hander David Aardsma, and another shortstop Ronny Cedeno.  According to our source the two clubs have agreed on which players would be dealt, but what is holding it up is exactly what kind of deal Soriano will want in Chicago.

He would likely command a deal similar to Furcal's, and while his addition would solidify the infield, and first four spots in the batting order, there are questions about whether or not the Cubs would be willing to shell out a pair of $100 deals in two weeks to two players.

Still, if Jim Hendry were to pull this off, the Cubs would, once again, become the favorite to win the NL Central, and probably the World Series.  With the addition of Bobby Howry and Scott Eyre, the bullpen appears to be shored up, and if the Cubs were able to sign Furcal and land Soriano, suddenly Felix Pie, even rushed, in center field doesn't look so bad, since he would likely be hitting eighth, with little to no pressure to produce.

The Cubs lineup, even with Pie and fellow youngster Matt Murton in it, would almost certainly be one of the most feared in the NL.  Furcal, Soriano, Derrek Lee, Aramis Ramirez, Mench, Murton, Barrett and Pie.

Be afraid, be very afraid.  The only obvious weakness would appear to be the lack of a left handed bat in the middle of the order, but a quality, older, cheaper, left handed hitting corner outfielder could provide that at least some of the time, and it might not matter.  Yes, the starting pitching will remain in question as long as perennially injured Kerry Wood is still penciled into the rotation, and the trading of Williams would nix one of the top options for temp duty during Wood's inevitable time on the shelf, but the opportunity to assemble a lineup like this comes rarely (unless you're the Yankees).

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of SB Nation or Al Yellon, managing editor (unless it's a FanPost posted by Al). FanPost opinions are valued expressions of opinion by passionate and knowledgeable baseball fans.

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Why is it...
... that these "informed sources" can't do something as simple as spelling Furcal's first name correctly?

And there's no way Felix Pie is going to be the starting CF in 2006, even in this lineup. Plus, it doesn't say what happens to Corey Patterson in this scenario.

Hype... "greatest infield in the history of baseball"? Um... I dunno. Sure, it'd hit, but "greatest ever"?

by Al Yellon on Nov 26, 2005 10:41 AM CST reply actions  

LOL
Why is it...
... that these "informed sources" can't do something as simple as spelling Furcal's first name correctly?

Because they're not THAT informed?

by BeerCub on Nov 26, 2005 11:12 AM CST reply actions  

Source for this
Original poster didn't mention where this info comes from:

http://cubs.scout.com/2/471247.html

Not that that makes it necessarily any more credible...

by Chuckles on Nov 26, 2005 11:13 AM CST reply actions  

He Did Actually
He mentioned ITI, which is Inside the Ivy, but you're right, it doesn't make it more credible.

by BeerCub on Nov 26, 2005 11:17 AM CST up reply actions  

thanks for the clarification.
i was guessing it represented "insane theoretical idiocy".

by dc60123 @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Nov 26, 2005 11:43 AM CST up reply actions  

also...
it would be a great name for my Ph.D. thesis! HA!
The Cubs will thrive in twenty-oh-five... or sometime thereafter!

by Shawn Domagal-Goldman on Nov 26, 2005 7:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Sorry, you can't use it...
I'm already using it for mine. :)

by daubs on Nov 27, 2005 9:59 AM CST up reply actions  

....the both of u
suck. sigh guess I'm going to have to go ahead and write about my addiction to tin foil.
2006 -- AC036097 -- Eamus Catuli!

by priorpwnz on Nov 27, 2005 1:33 PM CST up reply actions  

nah, sadly enough though
I was listening to the radio and there were a few students from I believe it was Princeton that did a study on tin foil hats.

These students actually found that the signals are amplified by wearing tin foil hats.

Makes me want to go to an Ivy League school.

2006 -- AC036097 -- Eamus Catuli!

by priorpwnz on Nov 27, 2005 3:22 PM CST up reply actions  

If...
... you haven't seen this site, go there.

Someone has WAY too much time on their hands.

by Al Yellon on Nov 27, 2005 5:12 PM CST up reply actions  

wow...
do they all of schizoid complexes or something?
2006 -- AC036097 -- Eamus Catuli!

by priorpwnz on Nov 28, 2005 1:04 AM CST up reply actions  

This is not to be believed
 ITI is usually a reliable and credible source, but this simply can not be true. No way Furcal will EVER get anything even close to that kind of a deal, especially from the Cubs. Nor should he and nor should Soriano. Bunk.

by SoBlueCal on Nov 26, 2005 11:25 AM CST reply actions  

Greatest infield??
I love D-Lee and A-Ram, and I really want Furcal, but my greatest infield would not have Soriano in it.
sPaRkLe Hendry sPaRkLe!

by sparkles721 on Nov 26, 2005 11:53 AM CST reply actions  

$100mil...
...over 5 years is 13mil more per year than what Furcal will be asking. The deal with the Rangers even if credible is idiotic. Baker and Hendry have both said they want to improve their defense up the middle.with Todd Walker not being a solid defensive player, Soriano would be even worse
cubsfan4life

by cubfan4life on Nov 26, 2005 12:48 PM CST reply actions  

Sorry my...
...division was off. It's 8mil more per year than what Furcal will be asking.
cubsfan4life

by cubfan4life on Nov 26, 2005 12:51 PM CST reply actions  

math
It says the $100 million includes the possible sixth year as well as performance bonuses, so it's not really a $15-20 million per year thing.  It's still probably more than his asking price, but not as much as you figured.

by Zachary on Nov 26, 2005 1:06 PM CST up reply actions  

OK, Maybe $100 M for BOTH players
The only way this rumor could be anywhere close to true is if the source said something like "The Cubs could be getting Furcal AND Soriano, but will they pay $100 M for an improved infield?"  If Furcal gets $10 M a year, that's $60 M over four years.  Then, Soriano may command $8 M per year over 5 years.  Still more than I'd pay, but somewhat realistic.  

Furcal couldn't sniff $100 M if he had Cher's nose.

by cubzfan on Nov 26, 2005 2:44 PM CST reply actions  

It's not my money,
but I think 100 million even for Furcal AND Soriano would be a bad deal. Soriano has a reputation for being free-swinging; and he's right handed too. I don't see what advantage he'd bring. Michael Young and Soriano would be a better deal for less money. For 100 million I'd want Furcal and Abreu.  

by teacher tom on Nov 26, 2005 4:44 PM CST up reply actions  

$100 mil for Furcal
Borowski for life, a poster over at The Cub Reporter, posted the following as a possible contract for Furcal:

year 1 - $9M base, $2.5M bonus each for BA/SB title
year 2 - $9M base, $2.5M bonus each for BA/SB title
year 3 - $10M base, $2.5M bonus each for BA/SB title
year 4 - $11.5M base, $2.5M bonus each for BA/SB title, $4M if he plays 150 games each of the first three years
year 5 - $12.5M base, $2.5M bonus each for BA/SB title
year 6 - $14M, $2.5M bonus each for BA/SB title

That's a total of $52 million guarunteed over 5 years, with a mutual option to make it $66 million over 6 years. The incentives can total up to $34 million, pushing the total contract to $100. However, if he wins the batting AND stolen base crowns each of the next six years and keeps his power numbers up, he might be worth that much. If not, then the contract is more likely to net him something like the $50 million that's more in line with his current market value.

Hopefully, the $100 million dollars is with huge incentives, as laid out above. If so, then i say do it.

The Cubs will thrive in twenty-oh-five... or sometime thereafter!

by Shawn Domagal-Goldman on Nov 26, 2005 7:30 PM CST reply actions  

That sounds like...
... pure speculation. There's no way the Cubs would make any such offer... especially with the balloon-like payment in the sixth year. There'd have to be a buyout for that year as well.

Sounds like someone sat down with a calculator trying to make the math work. Sure, it works, but is that realistic? I say no.

by Al Yellon on Nov 26, 2005 8:01 PM CST up reply actions  

My goodness!
Lets hope none of this true!

We'll be saying wait until next decade by the end of 06!

Remember Prior and Zambrano will be coming up for big extensions in a couple of years.  And I don't think Soriano or Furcal gets that kind of deal on the open market - though BJ Ryan for 47m???  I could be wrong,

by broham on Nov 26, 2005 9:20 PM CST reply actions  

Prior...
... his contract was a five-year, $10 million major league contract signed beginning with the 2002 season. Thus, it ends at the end of this year. He's not eligible for free agency yet -- but I'd guess the Cubs would want to sign him to an extension before the season.

Same with Z.

by Al Yellon on Nov 27, 2005 4:28 AM CST up reply actions  

You don't see many contracts like that one given
To rookies -- If I remember well, he was one of the biggest pitching prospects to ever hit the scene, right?.
According to the Chicago Tribune: "The Oakland A's are 32-0 when they have scored more runs than their opponents.

by Carlos on Nov 27, 2005 3:54 PM CST up reply actions  

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