Shawn Green to Cubs?

by AZ Snakepit on Dec 16, 2005 1:53 PM CST Comment 88 comments

According to mlb.scout.com, "Green is going to be dealt, probably to the Chicago Cubs, in the next couple of days." This would be a more credible candidate for RF than Gonzalez, certainly, but presumes Green waves his no-trade rights, which currently allow him only to go to the Giants, Angels and Padres.

Now, Arizona has just made an offer to Kenny Lofton, so I'm assuming this would not be for Patterson. Have heard Clement's name mentioned as a trade candidate - any thoughts? And if not, given our other main need is pitching (both relief and bullpen), what would you suggest?

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I thought...

Green wanted nothing to do with the Cubbies. I like him as an option for a corner fielder...but this means that we have to make a harder push for Tejada or another power player.

C'mon now...anyone can have a bad century...

by Kinky Reggae on Dec 16, 2005 2:00 PM CST reply actions

I thought it was his wife?

AC036198

by gjdow on Dec 16, 2005 2:03 PM CST up reply actions

It is...

...his wife. Shawn was born in Des Plains.

They had to convince him to come to Phoenix, which is only a hour's flight from LA.

by jazzman56 on Dec 16, 2005 2:07 PM CST up reply actions

Green was...

... born in Des Plaines, yes. But he and his family left when Shawn was 2. He grew up in the Los Angeles area. Didn't we have this discussion elsewhere?

by Al Yellon on Dec 16, 2005 2:12 PM CST up reply actions

We sure did...

it was with me Al. I still know that he has family here and would hope that this is some incentive. That is if we decide we want him on the North side.

C'mon now...anyone can have a bad century...

by Kinky Reggae on Dec 16, 2005 2:14 PM CST up reply actions

Green

Trading Green certainly makes sense for the D'Backs. If they also move Glaus, then they can play Tracy in right, Jackson at third and Clark at first.

By the end of 2006, it figures to be Tracy at third, Andy Green at 2nd, Drew at SS, Jackson at 1st and Quentin in right. And Young in CF in 2007. They might as well start planning for that now.

Don't know if Shawn Green would accept a deal to Chicago though. My guess is that he wouldn't.

by jazzman56 on Dec 16, 2005 2:04 PM CST reply actions

More likely...

Tracy at third, Jackson at first, and Carlos Quentin (who has nothing left to prove in the minors) in right field - Clark will be the backup at 1B, as was intended last year before his OPS went above 1.000. If they move Green alone, then it's a little stickier - he ended up playing CF last year, and seems like we're looking at Lofton to cover that.

I was a little surprised by the rumor myself, figuring Glaus was more likely to be traded than Green. As other posters have noted, whether this one lives or dies is most likely the call of Mrs. Green. Between that and Mrs. Vazquez wanting to be closer to Puerto Rico, seems all our players are under the thumb!

by AZ Snakepit on Dec 16, 2005 2:29 PM CST up reply actions

Incidentally...

... this is one reason Kerry Wood has a no-trade clause, as his wife's family is from Chicago and she doesn't want to leave here.

by Al Yellon on Dec 16, 2005 2:31 PM CST up reply actions

I wish...

Mrs. Wood's family was from Baltimore!

C'mon now...anyone can have a bad century...

by Kinky Reggae on Dec 16, 2005 2:34 PM CST up reply actions

How reliable is MLB Scout?

Seemed like a shady report but I could believe it.

C'mon now...anyone can have a bad century...

by Kinky Reggae on Dec 16, 2005 2:05 PM CST reply actions

Even still...

sounds like she has him by the short curlys.

C'mon now...anyone can have a bad century...

by Kinky Reggae on Dec 16, 2005 2:11 PM CST reply actions

Pretty lame comment

Green happens to be someone who has his priorities straight.

You will remember in 2001, Green did not play on Yom Kippur.

Last year, he missed a couple of games to be with his wife for the birth of their second child,

Green and his wife (who is not Jewish) are very active in children's charities, donating large sums of money and time.

Need I add, he had a pretty good year last year, especially in the 2nd half.

by jazzman56 on Dec 16, 2005 2:26 PM CST up reply actions

Didn't exactly not play on Yom Kippur

Not sure if was 2001 or later but there
was the year he played ONE game of crucial
double header on Yom Kippur which I actually
found pretty lame. As a totally non practicing
Jew I don't have a problem with equally non-
religious Jews like Ausmus & Marquis
playing on Yom Kippur but I found
Green's "splitting the baby" a bit much

I like him fine but I just thought
he was trying to have it both ways

by jessica on Dec 16, 2005 3:09 PM CST up reply actions

Thanks..

for the support...I never bashed his character...simply commented on his willingness to be controlled...and I agree, pretty lame.

C'mon now...anyone can have a bad century...

by Kinky Reggae on Dec 16, 2005 3:12 PM CST up reply actions

Nope

You are not remembering correctly. Shawn sat on Yom Kippur in 2001 (one game) and that was notable because it was right in the middle of a pennant race. In 2004, he was faced with missing two games, on two consecutive days, again in the midst of a pennant race, because Yom Kupper runs from sundown Friday to sundown Saturday.

Ultimately, he made the decision to play Friday night and not play Saturday.

It needs to be pointed out that Green has publicly stated that he is not personally a religious person and was not raised in a religious household, but his decision to not play on Yom Kippur was based on his realization that he is a role mode for young Jewish atheletes.

So, you're characterization of Green as someone who tries to have it both ways is totally unfair.

by jazzman56 on Dec 16, 2005 3:50 PM CST up reply actions

Also...

...when Geen sat for Yom Kippur in 2001, he ended a streak of 415 consecutive games played.

by jazzman56 on Dec 16, 2005 3:54 PM CST up reply actions

sorry but this is splitting the baby

Ok it wasn't a DH but two games which fell on Yom Kippur
I understand it was a tough decision and he was under a lot
of pressure but he was still splitting hairs. IF you want to
a role model I don't think the best way is to say I can miss ONE
game for Yom Kippur and not two. Again I like Green but
I think he was trying to have it both ways

Also I know what you meant but just to clarify Yom Kippur
goes from sundown to sundown on whatever day of the
Jewish calender it falls. In 2004 it was a Friday but it is not
always a Friday

by jessica on Dec 16, 2005 4:13 PM CST up reply actions

I understand the concept...

...of Yom Kippur. The point I was making is that it would only affect two games if you had a night game followed by a day game.

Unlike you, I think Sean Green more than satisified his commitment to act as a role model by sitting out the day game, given the fact that he is not orthodox and not even particularly religious. He also had a contractual commitment to the Dodgers that he must consider.

To criticize him for not sitting TWO games in the middle of heated pennant race is just being nit-picky.

by jazzman56 on Dec 16, 2005 4:26 PM CST up reply actions

Pretty LAME response...

Don't be so sensitive big guy. If he is making his decisions to not further his career because she said so...I'd say that constitutes a "short curlys" remark. I have a wife and a kid on the way but believe me...if my career was moving me elsewhere, to a place I liked, and it would only better my family's circumstances (financially and whatnot)it would be up for discussion. And nowhere did I comment on his character or values/morals. I'm a jew and appreciate his dedication to his religion...I still think his wife is wearin the pants.

C'mon now...anyone can have a bad century...

by Kinky Reggae on Dec 16, 2005 2:32 PM CST reply actions

Fourteenth comment,

Al,
is there anyway to figure out how many times I have made the fourteenth comment out of pure superstition.

"You know what God told the cubs. Don't do anything until I get back!" Pete Rose

by Will71081 on Dec 16, 2005 2:41 PM CST reply actions

LOL!

Not unless you want to count them yourself.

by Al Yellon on Dec 16, 2005 3:04 PM CST up reply actions

just kidding,

but whenever there is a thread stuck 13 I will be there.

"You know what God told the cubs. Don't do anything until I get back!" Pete Rose

by Will71081 on Dec 16, 2005 3:25 PM CST up reply actions

Very Poor Analogy

I can't figure out how what you just wrote has any relevance to Shawn Green's situation.

He earned the right to have a limited no trade clause in his contract by his performance and the competitive marketplace, so somehow he's less of a man for taking advantage of it?

I take it back, that's not lame, it's just ignorant.

There is no evidence of any career furthering, better family circumstances or anything else you allude to. Simply a lateral move that takes him an extra 2000+ miles away from his wife and two small children and the place he chooses to live.

by jazzman56 on Dec 16, 2005 2:47 PM CST reply actions

Not exactly champ...

Calling in to question his manhood is not exactly what I was doing. Talk about ignorant comments. I am stating that his willingness to allow his Mrs. to decide where his career takes him is bunk. How can you in your right mind say that moving to a team that, in my opinion, as well as MANY others, has a better chance of winning, doesn't have anything to do with bettering his career? Ignorant...hmmm...let me consider the meaning of that word...acting without knowledge...I'd say that my comment about his being whipped is completely based on facts...his wife has stated that she will not move here to Chicago and therefore Green cannot allow hinself to be traded to the Cubs. Please oh educated one...explain how I commented without knowledge. Bettering one's career could certainly involve going to a team that has potential to win. Do you think that Miguel Tejada is concerned with bettering his career because he wants to be traded to a winning team? Green: less of a man? No. Green will allow his wife to dictate where he plays a game that he loves and has most cetrtainly provided much of their family's financial well being...ABSOLUTELY. So...before you call someone ignorant for having an opinion based on facts...think twice.

C'mon now...anyone can have a bad century...

by Kinky Reggae on Dec 16, 2005 3:04 PM CST up reply actions

Unless you have personal knowledge..

..of the Green's situation, then you most certainly are ignorant and it is reflected in your comments.

For instance, what makes you so sure that the Green's have not discussed this and mutually agreed upon what works for them?

I had a chance to talk to Shawn for about 20 minutes shortly after he was traded to the D'Backs last year and he is a low key, highly intelligent individual with a strong sense of who he is and what he wants. Most of the time we talked about the decision he made to accept the trade to Arizona (which he could have vetoed). Largely it was because the Dodgers had made it clear he did not fit into their plans.

But, anybody could see that the Greens have a strong partnership and there is no way it is anything like what you have speculated. They are truly partners in their charitable activities and in fact, in everything they do.

That may not sit well with you, but there are some who think it is pretty darn healthy. I can assure you, Mrs. Green does not dictate what Shawn does in his career, and he does not make decision without consulting with her first.

by jazzman56 on Dec 16, 2005 3:25 PM CST up reply actions

WOW!

What are you their freakin love child?? Apparently, you DO know all there is to know about the Greens. Since you know so much, and are anything but ignorant (yeah right!) why don't you tell me why there is speculatyion that he is coming to the Cubs. If their moral fiber is SO strong and they are "true partners" that make all their decisions together, then how could this have happened? It truly makes me feel better though that you feel that Shawn Green and his wonderful wife are such incredible people. I suppose we can put this argument to rest since you (who is so close to the Greens) tell us to rest assured that the Mrs. isn't making decisions for the family. May I remind you though...that this is how this discussion got started to begin with...WE KNOW IT IS HER THAT WANTS TO STAY OUT OF CHICAGO! He has never told the press that he has a problem with this city...he has actually stated that it is her. Straight from the horse's mouth. Can you deny that? Did you talk about that in your special interview? Let's face it...this whole thing got started becasue you took offense to a comment that was not aimed at you or anyone you care about...it was in jest and apparently you have a weak sense of humor...but thanks for the lesson on the Green family.

C'mon now...anyone can have a bad century...

by Kinky Reggae on Dec 16, 2005 3:36 PM CST up reply actions

You are truly a moron

I never said I was close to the Green's, I simply referenced a converstaion I had with him after he was traded last time.

I suspect that if a deal were struck with the Cubs, and the D'Backs were to convince him he just didn't fit in with their plans, he would waive his no trade.

It is you that seems to have a great deal of insight into what the Green's discuss and what the dynamics of their relationship is.

Or is it just possible you are merely spouting off?

by jazzman56 on Dec 16, 2005 4:01 PM CST up reply actions

Gentlemen!

Gentlemen, gentlemen...

this could all be avoided if we just sign Rondell White. Or Juan Encarnacion.

And then get more starting pitching. Unfortunately, Washburn is now gone, so we should get Milwood.

by nickler on Dec 17, 2005 10:40 PM CST up reply actions

just an FYI

you should probably read the post Al just made

by DTJchris on Dec 16, 2005 3:20 PM CST up reply actions

As I mentioned before...

...you have to be leary of players who have limited trade provisions in their contracts. Will and the want to win should be called into question.

cubsfan4life

by cubfan4life on Dec 16, 2005 2:50 PM CST reply actions

Like Jazzman mentioned...

..There's alot more that goes into a decision to switch teams than just "winning". And as far as that goes, the DBacks have a better chance of making the playoffs next than the Cubs do.

by SoBlueCal on Dec 16, 2005 2:54 PM CST up reply actions

Well, it's interesting. There's still a lot of speculation about Tejada possibly coming to the Cubs. And Tejada says his #1 priority is that he wants to go to a winning ball club (although he also said he prefers to play on the east coast).

Are the Cubs a shoo-in to be a winning team in 2006? Hardly. I happen to think Pierre was a great move and the two set up guys as well, but they still have some ?. Most teams do.

I guess Tejada really wants to go to Boston, but the Orioles are choking on having to face him 18 times a year. With good reason.

by jazzman56 on Dec 16, 2005 3:05 PM CST up reply actions

The NL West Isn't Good

That's one reason why they would have a better chance and the fact there are 5 teams in the division while the Cubs have 6, making 3.333333% less chance right there.

by MerigoldBowling on Dec 16, 2005 3:19 PM CST up reply actions

Plus

The Rockies are pretty much a guaranteed non-factor every year, so there's really only three teams they have to be better than.

Matt

by gauchodirk on Dec 16, 2005 3:23 PM CST up reply actions

I hear that Matt...

what about the Dodgers next season though? Giants are also trynig to fix things...and as my friend stated earlier, just because a team has been a loser more often than not...doesn't mean they won't be a factor next year...why do you think Cubdom is always saying "wait till next year"?

C'mon now...anyone can have a bad century...

by Kinky Reggae on Dec 16, 2005 3:26 PM CST up reply actions

Rockies

I maintain that as long as the Rockies are playing 81 games every year at Coors Field, they cannot win the World Series. It seems to be impossible to build a winning team there without three or four guys who can hit forty home runs, with 1995 being the example of that. They've tried the pitching and speed approach, and it didn't work, so right now they don't know how to approach their roster.

That doesn't mean that the Rockies can't make a similar jump, but there are too many teams who can go to Coors and outslug the Rockies, and then outpitch them when the Rockies come to their park.

Matt

by gauchodirk on Dec 16, 2005 3:39 PM CST up reply actions

Clearly based on stats prior to offseason...

I suppose the Dodgers with all their pickups don't constitute a tougher division? And still..the D'backs are a big part of the crap in the NL West. Also, something has to be said about a management that was/is considering Cory Patterson a viable option for a starter...we've been saying it about the Cubs for the past few seasons, right?

C'mon now...anyone can have a bad century...

by Kinky Reggae on Dec 16, 2005 3:23 PM CST up reply actions

DBacks

Have a much better Farm system than the Cubs and with the addition of Young, they will WITHOUT A DOUBT compete in that Division for years to come.

Do you think the Dodgers really improved that much?? The Dodgers will lose Weaver and their Rotation could be the worst in the Majors.
There is no clear favorite in that Division and if you're familiar with the names C Jackson or Quentin you should. If you think the Cubs are that much better than the DBacks, I would definitely have to disagree with you, big time.

by SoBlueCal on Dec 16, 2005 3:32 PM CST up reply actions

The Cubs

would be a winning with Tejada...and I think he knows that.

by amaru on Dec 16, 2005 3:20 PM CST up reply actions

100% Correct...

he's not saying that the Cubs are downright winners...he is saying that with him, they got a great chance.

C'mon now...anyone can have a bad century...

by Kinky Reggae on Dec 16, 2005 3:24 PM CST up reply actions

How is that the case?

What moves have made them a contender compared to last year? Contreras? They will need more than that...as will the Cubs beyond Pierre.

C'mon now...anyone can have a bad century...

by Kinky Reggae on Dec 16, 2005 3:06 PM CST up reply actions

The DBacks

Have a lot of good young prospects that will make an impact next year.

Also, you still have the NL West factor involved. The Dodgers upgraded, but not nearly enought to classify them as the undoubted favorites in that Division.

Right now, I have the Cubs finishing 3rd in the Division and if they acquire any of the Jones,Encarnacions', then I think they'll finish 4th.

I am NOT one who has faith in Wood and he'll start feeling that oh so familiar pain again sometime before the All Star break,then what was once the strength of the organization, the Starting Rotation will be:

Prior
Zambrano
Williams
Rusch
Maddux

ughh

by SoBlueCal on Dec 16, 2005 3:23 PM CST up reply actions

There is no doubt..

...the D'Backs have a lot of prospects, but there is a reason why they call them prospects. Jackson was as "can't miss" as they come (I cringe whenever I hear that), yet he did little once he was called up.

The odds are that most, if not all, the others will struggle some before they make it clear whether they belong or not.

I would agree that the future appears bright, but will it be realized in 2006? Only time will tell, but I wouldn't bet on it.

by jazzman56 on Dec 16, 2005 3:33 PM CST up reply actions

I've seen a lot of Jackson...

..and he's the real deal. He will be a superstar in the Majors. I know you weren't judging him but I don't care what he did in under 100 AB's, this kid is something special.

by SoBlueCal on Dec 16, 2005 3:35 PM CST up reply actions

I agree wholeheartedly...

...I was just pointing out that even the best prospects struggle initially. That is why patience is so important.

by jazzman56 on Dec 16, 2005 3:39 PM CST up reply actions

I meant El Duce BTW...

C'mon now...anyone can have a bad century...

by Kinky Reggae on Dec 16, 2005 11:12 PM CST up reply actions

No...

you meant El Duque. El Duce was Mussolini.

They D'Backs also got a pretty fair relief pitcher in Luis Vizcaino, and improved themselves greatly at catcher with Estrada.

Clearly, they are not done yet.

by jazzman56 on Dec 17, 2005 12:55 AM CST up reply actions

Thanks for the assistance...

I guess I did mean El Duque, just like you meant Shawn Green last night when you wrote Sean Green. And didn't I hear that Mussolini was pretty good in relief last year for the Sox despite an unimpressive regular season?

C'mon now...anyone can have a bad century...

by Kinky Reggae on Dec 17, 2005 8:36 AM CST up reply actions

Yeah...

...you're right. I noticed the Sean/Shawn thing right after I posted it. My only excuse is that my son's name is Sean.

I'm okay with Sean/Shawn/Shaun, etc. but the one that gets me is Chone Figgins. How you get "Shawn" pronunciation out of that, I don't know.

BTW, I wasn't quite right about Mussolini. I believe he was "Il Duce". not "El Duce", Never saw him pitch, but have seen a couple of Benitos who could bring it pretty good.

by jazzman56 on Dec 17, 2005 10:22 AM CST up reply actions

You forgot....

... "Shawon"

by Al Yellon on Dec 17, 2005 10:47 AM CST up reply actions

Yeah...

I'd have to say I have a problem with the whole Chone thing as well...it just doesn't add up for me...and if Shawon wasn't so damn good in his day...that probably would have bothered me too. Although, I think I kinda like Chone as a player, from what I've seen. And by the way, you really missed out man...Mussolini was HOT in his day, noboby could touch him!

Anyone can have a bad century...

by Kinky Reggae on Dec 17, 2005 1:48 PM CST up reply actions

BTW

I think your son will thank you one day for going with the more traditional Sean than Chone or something else...

Anyone can have a bad century...

by Kinky Reggae on Dec 17, 2005 1:49 PM CST up reply actions

ha ha

You are right. El Duce was Mussolini.

Boy, I bet that guy felt like a moron.

by nickler on Dec 17, 2005 10:44 PM CST up reply actions

MORON HUH?

Who's the genius suggesting Rondell White?! I'd rather have Mussolini on my team than White...and BTW my friend told me that it was Il Duce not El Duce.

Anyone can have a bad century...

by Kinky Reggae on Dec 18, 2005 11:44 AM CST up reply actions

Please...

...that's just goofy. You don't even make it to the big leagues without a strong competitive will.

And in today's marketplace where teams regularly go from well below .500 to the World Series in just one year (See 2005 White Sox), how exactly do you predict who will and won't win in the future?

The truth is, most of the over .500 teams from last year are a lost player or two and an injury or two from having a losing record in 2006. The reverse is also true. The team that everyone knew would fall on their face in 2005 based on what they lost was Houston. Right??

Unless you are the Yankees or the Red Sox (and maybe not even them) there are NO teams in baseball that are guaranteed to be winning teams in 2006.

by jazzman56 on Dec 16, 2005 2:59 PM CST reply actions

To be fair

The White Sox went 83-79 in 2004. Granted, they made a 16 game jump between '04 and '05, but they weren't exactly well below .500. The better analogy is the Braves, who went 65-97 in 1990 and won the division with a 94-68 mark in 1991.

Matt

by gauchodirk on Dec 16, 2005 3:26 PM CST up reply actions

If a player...

...had a provision in his contract that would keep himself from going to Tampa,Pittsburgh,Detroit,
Kansas City or Washington then I don't have a problem with that. It's when a player limits his options because of family(which is noble). Then you have to wonder whether he wants to win or just make money and be close to his family.

cubsfan4life

by cubfan4life on Dec 16, 2005 3:47 PM CST up reply actions

Agreed...

however this was never even the point of my comment. I simply stated that his wife seems to be making the decisions for him...he openly admitted that she is the reason Chicago was out of the question.

C'mon now...anyone can have a bad century...

by Kinky Reggae on Dec 16, 2005 3:49 PM CST up reply actions

Where...

...is this quoted?

by jazzman56 on Dec 16, 2005 3:56 PM CST up reply actions

True...

but you cannot say that certain teams do not have a better chance of a winning season than others. If so, than what are stats for?

C'mon now...anyone can have a bad century...

by Kinky Reggae on Dec 16, 2005 3:08 PM CST reply actions

I am really starting to wonder...

...why you keep stepping in it. Stats can tell you why a team won. They are not all that useful in predicting who is going to win.

by jazzman56 on Dec 16, 2005 4:07 PM CST up reply actions

Hope it's true

Of all the realistic options out there (which doesn't include the Phillies giving us Abreu for Todd Walker), I think Shawn Green is our best option for RF. I'm not a big Green fan--he's aging and he's overpaid--but overpaying him is better than overpaying Jacque Jones or Reggie Sanders.

As far as the Yom Kippur thing went, I understand that Green isn't a practicing Jew, but he also idolizes Sandy Koufax. I think he did it more for Koufax than for God. Yeah, I know. Small difference. :-)

I never travel far without a little Big Star

by Josh77 on Dec 16, 2005 3:35 PM CST reply actions

from the Diamonback board

http://www.forums.mlb.com/n/mb/message.asp?webtag=ml-diamondbacks&msg=26740.1

by SoBlueCal on Dec 16, 2005 4:16 PM CST reply actions

HA HA!

I liked how Lee was part of that "trade" laughable. Plus someone on there said that Patterson is, "a good young CF." If they think that maybe we will be able to trade him for Green.

by DTJchris on Dec 16, 2005 4:21 PM CST up reply actions

No kidding

And given that they felt that Patterson was so good and D-Lee in the mix, they all said NO to the "trade." Good time, good times.

by One F on Dec 16, 2005 4:25 PM CST up reply actions

You gotta be kidding me!

That must have been a joke. That's like me saying what about:

Jeter
A-Rod
Sheffield

for

Murton
Walker
Pie
(and maybe even Patterson if we're feeling generous)

C'mon now...anyone can have a bad century...

by Kinky Reggae on Dec 16, 2005 4:31 PM CST up reply actions

and what really gets me...

The AZ fans are saying they wouldn't do it?! Wow

by DTJchris on Dec 16, 2005 4:33 PM CST up reply actions

LOL!

I know, I got a good chuckle out it myself. Sounds like a Cub fan proposed that trade (stonie4pres)though.

by SoBlueCal on Dec 16, 2005 4:39 PM CST up reply actions

All the MLB boards pretty much suck.

Hey, I wouldn't judge all AZ fans by that thread, any more than I'd judge all Cubs fans by what's posted here... :-)

That said, I wouldn't do the trade as listed either. Our problem is too many corner infielders and outfielders; this deal (not that it'll happen!) just seems to shuffle a few pieces around, not addressing that as an issue. Trading Green for a pitcher is a lot more plausible, IMHO. Mrs. Green permitting!

by AZ Snakepit on Dec 16, 2005 5:37 PM CST up reply actions

HAHA

That topic of the link you supplied to the "other" Cubs forum is Classic.

by SoBlueCal on Dec 16, 2005 5:56 PM CST up reply actions

Okay here we go...

I will try to respond to your comments in a manner fit for BCB (in case you have spent your entire afternoon arguing with me rather than reading Al's post about guidelines). I am not a moron...it is just your narcissistic way of defending your overreaction to my humerous comment. But that's okay with me...it clearly makes you feel smarter and you are obviously in need of that. As for stats my friend...they are not only to explain why a team has done well but in the world of sports (as well as gambling) they are used to predict who will do well "next year". Stats are the very reason teams make trades...because they make a player more/less valuable and in turn, help a team feel warm and fuzzy abuot picking players up. As for me knowing the Greens, clearly I do not or I would have known what model citizens and humanitarians they were. I am so very sorry if my comments offended you or insulted your manhood in some way (which clearly isn't hard to do) and would appreciate you keeping your opinions about me and my intelligence to yourself. I am permitted to make comments as I see fit so long as they do not attack you or other posters (see your comments to me). Unless you ARE Shawn Green, or Mrs. Shawn Green (which sounds like it is possible from your reaction)then there is no need to attack me for what I said...you may respectfully disagree, but Moron? Some would say that one's immature statements can speak for themselves as far as intelligence is concerned. Peace.

C'mon now...anyone can have a bad century...

by Kinky Reggae on Dec 16, 2005 4:27 PM CST reply actions

All this over Shawn Green?

Baxter: Yeah, but you would agree that Paris is the capital of France? Wouldn't you agree to that?

Chris: Yes, but--

Baxter: Good. Then we're back in agreement.

-"Brain Candy"

by One F on Dec 16, 2005 4:42 PM CST up reply actions

Well...

...I am tempted to point out that you are the one that pushed the conversational tone down this road with your comments about "love child", etc.

However, I will gloss over that and merely ask you once again to provide support for your assertions that Green would veto a trade to the Cubs "only because of his wife", which seems to be the lynchpin of all your other assertions about Green, etc.

You complain about being called out on this board, but you have no qualms about continuing to do so. I apologize for calling you a moron (unwarranted since I do not know you), but not for calling you ignorant (your lack of knowledge regarding specific facts relating to a situation that you feel compelled to comment upon makes that a unassailable conclusion).

And finally, if stats are such a reliable indicator of who is going to win, why do they bother playing the games?

by jazzman56 on Dec 16, 2005 4:44 PM CST up reply actions

Love child and moron are seemingly different...

As for the Mrs...IT WAS YOU who stated that it is his wife man...I mean c'mon. You who knows all about the Greens, who had intimate interviews with the man himself...seriously man, are you kidding? YOU SAID IT ATOP THIS VERY THREAD! Stats...hmmm...I'm guessing that without the games, ther ARE NO STATS. Is that too complicated for you? I think I should end this discussion for the better good of BCB though...you just won't fold. Therefore, we must agree to disagree..I am neither ignorant or a moron, and you are not the Green's love child...satisfied??

C'mon now...anyone can have a bad century...

by Kinky Reggae on Dec 16, 2005 4:55 PM CST up reply actions

Ignorance is...

...the lack of knowledge. In this case, it is used accurately. Because either you are unaware or have forgotten that initially Green vetoed a trade to the D'Backs. It took several days of conversation and recruiting to get him to change his mind (along with a contact extension).

The point being that none of these statement are ever written in stone. Circumstances change and priorities change.

There is no doubt that Green's wife and his relationship with her would have a lot to do with any decision to approve or veto any trade involving a team that is a long distance from their home in SoCal.

That doesn't mean it is the only factor and it doesn't mean that it is written in stone.

And it darn sure doesn't mean that Green's wife has him by the "short curlies" of anything approhing that.

Which brings us full circle. Perhaps that was just a poor choice of words on your part. In any case, I am done with this.

by jazzman56 on Dec 16, 2005 5:12 PM CST up reply actions

I believe...

it was poor choice of words on your part ...ignorance is not accurate no matter what you say here because I never said a thing about his trade to AZ JUST about his decision NOW to not come here because of his wife (stated by YOU!) ...I spoke in response to YOUR comments about his wife. Secondly, moron is so off target with me...but I will not defend myself and make you look any more credible...take your blinders off man, you took everything way too seriously and don't really know what you are talking about. One minute you say it is his wife and then immediately say, there are many things that go intothis decision. Have you even looked back at your post that I initially responded to? Give us all a break and stop posting. Seriously, this is over.

C'mon now...anyone can have a bad century...

by Kinky Reggae on Dec 16, 2005 6:09 PM CST up reply actions

Hmmm...

...in this post you say you were responding only to my comment about Green's wife, in another you say it was a joke, and in others you say that Green made public statements about his wife and that's what you were responding to. Which is it? And why do you refuse to provide support for your assertion that he made such statements?

I'll grant you that my original post, which was in response to somebody's question, was vague and non-specific. I honestly never anticipated this would be such a hotly discussed topic.

But, you went way beyond the bounds of a normal conversation when you made the 'love child" post (which is just as insulting as anything I said subsequently, no matter what you think).

I took exception to the "short curlies" remark, not because the Greens are friends of mine (they're not) but because, joking or not (you can't seem to make up your mind) it is an insult borne of pure ignorance.

I have tried to enlighten you a little, but clearly that is not a worthwhile pursuit, so now I really am done.

by jazzman56 on Dec 16, 2005 6:31 PM CST up reply actions

AWWW..

don't feel bad about my short curlies statement...what a joke man...you've got the sesitivity of a menopausal woman! (and this is not an ignorant statement because I dealt with relatives who have experienced menopause so don't even go there) How was my comment NOT a joke? Seriously, was I insinuating that Mrs. Green literally had him strung up by his pubic hair?? So 1.IT WAS A JOKE GET OVER IT!
2.I stated that someone (turns out it was YOU) said it was his wife and
3.I based my comment on what you stated as a fact. Still can't see where I went wrong other than dedicating this much of my life to YOU!

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"It WAS his wife"

Was that a joke? If so then I apologize for basing my statements on your joke. But seriously, you must be a genious...you said "first you say you were responding to my comment"-true

"then you say it was a joke"-again, true

Third "you said it has been publically stated"-may be true, I have heard that about Green even before this brilliant discussion from someone else (whom, I might add, happens to be HIS UNCLE. So PLEASE leave it alone man...your comments are starting to become incoherent and annoying!

C'mon now...anyone can have a bad century...

by Kinky Reggae on Dec 16, 2005 6:57 PM CST up reply actions

All right, guys...

... you've each said you're "done" twice.

As it happens, I know each of these men personally, and will vouch for the fact that they are both good individuals.

Let's just close this case, shall we? And move on?

by Al Yellon on Dec 16, 2005 7:31 PM CST up reply actions

Thank you Al

Al, thank you for putting an end to this.

Now we can get onto more important issues.

Like how to aquire Rondell White. Or Juan Encarnacion. And how to get more starting pitching.

by nickler on Dec 17, 2005 10:49 PM CST up reply actions

LOL!

But seriously... if the Cubs acquire either of those players... it will be like waving the white flag to 2006.

by Al Yellon on Dec 18, 2005 3:45 AM CST up reply actions

Late comer...

what are you even doing on this thread three days later.

Anyone can have a bad century...

by Kinky Reggae on Dec 18, 2005 11:45 AM CST up reply actions

Who cares if she is making the decisions?

They are a married couple. I think you come into marriage knowing there are certain concessions/trade-offs/etc. that you are going to have to make.

Does my wife make decisions like "no smoking cigars on poker night at our place" (small example but whatever), rules that wouldnt be in place if it were just me living with the guys?

Sure. Shrug. If that means I am less of a man then so be it.

Who cares who wears the proverbial pants in the Green household? What are you guys fighting about?

Watch the Tenacious D skit for "The Fan" (Lee). You guys are going all love-knife here on this, ahem, "issue".

NLBallClub

by NLBallClub on Dec 16, 2005 4:28 PM CST reply actions

Or it reminds me of the Simpsons episode

where Milhouse's mom leaves his dad and Milhouse's dad goes to live in a "swinging singles bachelor pad" and he is showing off his new bachelor digs to Homer, showing him his race-car bed, and Homer is like "I sleep in a big bed with my wife". Heh. That relates somehow in my mind. :-)

So AZ you would really love Milton Bradley to come to Chicago b/c he doesnt take any crap from his wife!

NLBallClub

by NLBallClub on Dec 16, 2005 4:31 PM CST up reply actions

Ha! If I could spell Touche, I would...

Point taken, and believe it or not...I was in favor of him coming here...not becasue he's an alleged wife beater though...what my angry friend doesn't know is that I am a social worker...ha...bet he's have a lot to say about that. I'm permitted to have a sense of humor...c'mon!

C'mon now...anyone can have a bad century...

by Kinky Reggae on Dec 16, 2005 4:37 PM CST up reply actions

Oh I know

I am just teasing you both. I give my friends trouble when their wives make calls for them too. It's all in good fun.

NLBallClub

by NLBallClub on Dec 16, 2005 4:43 PM CST up reply actions

I understand completely...

I really did love your Bradley comment though...absolutely perfect timing! And what would our friendhips be if we couldn't make ourselves feel better about our own relationships by clowning on others?

C'mon now...anyone can have a bad century...

by Kinky Reggae on Dec 16, 2005 4:46 PM CST up reply actions

I don't actually care...

who wears the proverbial pants in their relationship...I simply made a comment about his short curly's and our friend had a fit. Sure...does my wife make decisions regarding our lives together? Absolutely. (And I think that your cigar example could be very important to some) Is this a problem (Mrs. Green making this decision)? Not for me...just making observations and getting ripped for it, that's all. He can wear a skirt if he so desires. (JUST KIDDING!)

C'mon now...anyone can have a bad century...

by Kinky Reggae on Dec 16, 2005 4:34 PM CST reply actions