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Hecklers and D-Neifi! at the Ravine

The not-so-good news is that after an eight inning, one hit, one unearned run, nine-strikeout effort, Carlos Zambrano ended up with no-decision. The good news - the game ended in ten innings with a 2-1 Cubs victory - their fifth in a row.

Before I talk more about a very exciting game, which pitted two great pitchers who gave great performances against one another, let me tell you a bit about my first visit to Chavez Ravine this year.I've been going to Dodgers games since I moved to Southern California ten years ago and as was noted yesterday the Dodgers fans have changed, but more on that later. The Ravine has changed too.  Some interesting pre-game notes about Dodger Stadium included the following 2005 additions: the rubber warning track is now dirt, the grass is now a Bermuda hybrid found in most other ballparks, and the largest strip of video projection screen is now in place around the stadium at the Loge level. These updates seemed nice.  I always thought the warning track looked a little funny, and I think the strip of video around the stadium is pretty common in other ballparks (e.g., the Big A) and makes for a bit of an updated look in an otherwise dated ballpark (see Josh's post from yesterday).

As for the "new" fans, for those of you who don't know the reputation, my experience in years past was that a significant number of Dodger fans don't show up until the third inning and almost as many leave in the seventh.  This is not meant to be a Dodger fan bashing, I know and respect many Dodger fans.  It's just a fact.  In the past I've thought much of this behavior may have been due to a laid back nature and have sat near fellow scorekeepers in Dodger blue and discussed baseball among other things in a cordial manner.  Of course there's always an obnoxious heckler here and there, but nothing out of the ordinary.  However, this time we had the mother of all bad hecklers sitting two rows behind us and when I say "bad" I mean really bad.  If you want to hear some original, witty heckling, go to Fenway.  But if you want to hear some of the most inane heckling, well I had to restrain myself from responding to the "heckles" I will share as I write a bit about the game (my inner thoughts in parentheses).

We arrived during Cubs batting practice as the sun was setting behind the third base line on another beautiful Southern California evening.  The stadium was near empty with handfuls of Cubs fans scattered throughout. As game-time approached and some Dodger fans began to arrive and this included some of the "pissy" fans referred to in previous posts.  I was surprised to hear three or four random "f#@* the Cubs!" remarks before the game.  I also noticed this chant occurring during the game in some areas.  I'm not sure where this bitterness has come from, perhaps a spillover from the Yankees visit last year (that was a tough game to sit through), the playoff failure last year, or the tough time the Dodgers have been having since their great start (?) Who knows?

The heckler behind me thought that since the Cubs were in their blues, a great taunt was "That's not Dodger blue! You wish you were in Dodger blue!" (I don't think so).

Penny got in a jam in the second giving up two hits and an infield sacrifice RBI to Henry Blanco. Zambrano didn't get into trouble until the third when Hee-Sop Choi (now a favorite of the Dodger fans) reached on a strike three passed ball. The pitch looked nasty from where I was sitting.  That is, if a catcher with a glove like Blanco's couldn't catch it I don't know if many catchers could. Two batters later Cesar Izturis hit a double for the RBI.

When this RBI was hit the heckler behind me yelled "Carlos is going back to Chicago!" (I hope so, he plays baseball there). It was also about this time the beach balls were beginning to arrive and the wave was being started in the bleachers.  (By the way, FYI, if you ever go to Dodger Stadium, know this, they do not serve alcohol in the bleachers. This mystifies me, because this is where all of the shenanigans seem to be most prominent).

Today, Neifi! had a not-so-good offensive day with one hit in five appearances (more on that hit later), but he had a defensive day that was, well, awesome.  If you didn't see it, look for highlights.  My scorecard has him making a GC! (great catch!) in the fifth and eighth, and I thought he made one more, but the one I remember most is when he went completely airborne and horizontal - believe in the Neifi! And vote for him to go to the ASG.

In response to this catch, the heckler yelled, "Tony Womack is a cheater, he's on steroids!" (I'm not kidding, that's what he yelled).

As I mentioned Zambrano had a great outing, striking out nine total, my favorite was when he ended the sixth with Werth and Drew looking at pitches and started the seventh with Kent looking at strike three.

The seventh inning was a strange one for the Cubs. Corey lead off with a single and then was "caught stealing" on a strike-out / throw-out that was actually due to an interference ruling. The umpire said that after swinging at the third strike, Dubois stepped in the way of Mike Rose, a catcher called up from AAA today, preventing him from throwing to second base. I don't know, but from where I sat it looked like it may have been a "flop" and that Rose purposely stepped into Dubois. But, I was way down the first base line, so those who saw replays will know more.

Before leaving sometime in the seventh the heckler thought he was a genius when he yelled "Where's Sosa?!" (Baltimore). It was also about this time the two children behind us were hitting their peak sugar-buzz and the backs of our seats as they had been eating the spun sugar and red-vines since the second inning. I suppose this is one reason Al sits where no one can sit behind him (?).

I thought we had it in the ninth with Ramirez on second and Burnitz on third and one out.  But Gagne is tough.  He through an 83 mph changeup and breaking ball, followed by a 93 mph fastball.  That's gotta be a tough adjustment. Weurtz followed Gagne in the bottom of the ninth with a BB, but then efficiently struck out the side.

In the beginning of the tenth the remaining fans had to be more than half Cubs fans (yes, we are everywhere). That's when we actually produced a run (note, not a single HR this game) with a single, a sac bunt, and Neifi's! one hit/RBI of the game (believe!).

Finally, our closer came in (yes, I used the c word), and Ryan Dempster scared quite a few people when he hit Antonio Perez in the helmet (or was it the bat - again, those who saw the replays know more than I). However, after a sac bunt, flyball, and 6-3 out Dempster got his sixth save in seven tries and ended a rather exciting game. I really enjoyed the game despite the bitter fans, and am headed back tomorrow and down to Petco this weekend.  If anything exciting happens I'll let you know.

Boy this ended up being a long post - sorry 'bout that.

Clay

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Great job
Looks like us BCB readers are keeping up Al's tradition of sharing our experience at the ball park just fine.

I've only live in California for five years, so my knowledge of Dodger Stadium doesn't go back as far.  But I've always taken the "late arrival, early leaving" tradition at Dodger Stadium to be more a result of traffic and the huge metropolitan area that stretches from Ventura to Riverside than any "laid-back" tradition.

I didn't hear any serious heckling yesterday, but I was way up in the upper deck between third and home, so no player would have actually heard anything.  But last year I saw a Dodgers/Padres game in the right field bleachers and a group of kids, looked like brothers ranging from about twelve to twenty kept yelling at Brian Giles "Go Back to Kentucky!" the whole game.

Now as far as I know, Giles grew up in SD and now plays for SD.  He played in Pittsburgh for a while, of course, but that's not Kentucky.  He never even played minor league ball for a Kentucky team, as far as I can tell.  Either that was the dumbest heckling in the history of baseball or it was a brilliant attempt to confuse the living hell out of Giles.  Or, more likely, it was that idiotic way that some Los Angelinos refer to any place outside of LA as hicksville and they sometime equate that with Kentucky.  Although I honestly can't see how anyone could think of San Diego as the sticks, though.

Get in touch with your inner Neifi

by Josh77 on Jun 1, 2005 4:49 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Replays
I'm sure by now you've seen the replays, but the interference call against Dubois was borderline.  It looked like Dubois probably stepped out a little too far after swinging, and Mike Rose came up with the ball in a position that made it easy to force an interference call.  I said something to the effect of "it's like drawing a foul in basketball."  It wasn't a bad call, but it was good that Dusty came out to argue.

Also, when Antonio Perez got hit, it bounced off the upper forehead part of the helmet, which is a strong enough spot on the helmet to make me wonder if he was putting on a little extra show before getting to first base.  Still glad he was okay, though.

by Zachary on Jun 1, 2005 8:49 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

At the game as well....
I sat in the Loge, and the fans there were fine: I had good conversations with severa Dodger fans....

Question for those who were catching the game on radio or TV: right before Z's 3rd strike that got by Blanco the ump walked out to the mound gave Z a ball and spoke to him for a moment. I thought that was very odd and cannot recall ever seeing that before. It doesn't sound like much, but what does an ump have to say to a pitcher by himself out on the mound? The VERY next pitch was the WP/PB and I have to wonder if Z got thrown off by something.

Besides that, Izturius' hit wa some scratch hit that could have and should have been fielded. Z had no hit stuff last night, and made all the Dodgers look like they had just gotten called up, not just Rose (who visited the mound every pitch when gagne was out there - EVERY PITCH).

 Z is in last year's September zone, no doubt about it.

Besides the obvious - Go Irish.

by PopeFlick on Jun 1, 2005 11:04 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The ump
Blanco took a foul ball right off his kneecap.  The ump walked out there just to give Blanco a little extra time to shake it off.

by Zachary on Jun 1, 2005 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The popup
The pop-up hit should have probably been caught, but nobody was really in position to get there. It would have been another amazing play by Neifi if he had got to it, with his back to home plate. Patterson looked like he was shading to right field, so it would have been a tough play for him. And Dubois is slow, so while he probably could have gotten there, he didn't.

What bothered me more, however, was the fact that the trio let the ball kick away. This I put on Corey's shoulders. He should have been backing up the play if he didn't feel he could have caught the ball. There probably should have been a play at the plate.

by Ross on Jun 1, 2005 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Still thought....
....it was a lucky hit, but I''m a hard ass. And is it just me, or does Patterson lack hustle when the ball gets muffed? Last night, and that weird play the night before on the warning track: he loses track of the ball and just seem to idle. There was also a diving catch he missed earlier this year that fit that mold as well. Sort of like "Darn! missed it, oh yeah got to get it back into play!"

Also, I've been going to Cubs games since I moved here back in 1994, and I don't think the crowd is any worse than any other field. I also say this because as Cubs fans we shouldn't be gauging an entire fan base on a few bad apples. Considering the Dodger Bullpen vs the Wrigley Crowd in the pre-Artest era of sports confrontations, we didn't want to be judged by actions of those drunks. Sure, the guy getting shot in the parking lot is extreme, but that's more a product of the city than the ballpark I would say. Also, in nearly 40 games at the Ravine over the past ten years, the guy running on the field the Monday night was a first for me, so it is surely not an everyday occurence. At 1 in 30, that's about the right ratio of drunks storming the field at any ballpark.

As far as the trade talk, Zito is great but I think this team really needs another bat in the outfield. What do you think it would take to get Sheffield?

Here's hoping for the sweep!!

Besides the obvious - Go Irish.

by PopeFlick on Jun 1, 2005 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks...
...for the replay info Zachary. I didn't catch the Dodgers post game and I live without Cable - primarily because the Cable company (Adelphia) where I live (Hollywood) doesn't deliver WGN. What's the point then?

I usually save my money and sit in the Reserved section (third level) behind home plate, but last night I was on the Field level. I'm interested to know if Josh also sat closer to the Field. I'm looking forward to going back to Reserved tonight and having a more fan-friendly experience as PopeFlick noted in Loge. Not that it was unbearable by any means, just noticeable. One thing that helped was seeing I was surrounded by other Cubs fans, there were a lot of us.

by keepscore on Jun 1, 2005 11:22 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I sat
up in the reserved section, about half-way between home and third--about 13 rows up.   I've always felt that you get your best view for the money trying to sit in the upper deck in the infield rather than getting closer to the field but out in the outfield.  But I do try to sit in different places from time to time just to get different views.

You might want to check with your cable company again if you really want WGN,  I have Adelphia too and they added WGN last fall.  Of course, Adelphia is going bye-bye in about eight months so you might want to wait and check if they'll have it when Comcast or Time-Warner takes over.

Get in touch with your inner Neifi

by Josh77 on Jun 1, 2005 2:04 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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