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HOUSTON -- A few days ago, you saw Mike's cartoon giving a brief history of our little bleacher group, and mentioning that my 2000th major league game was coming up soon.

Last night was the one.

Those break down as follows:

  • 1674 Cub games at Wrigley Field
  • 112 Cub road games
  • 151 White Sox games (excluding those vs. Cubs; those are included in the Cub totals above)
  • 22 Brewer games in Milwaukee (excluding those where the Cubs were the visitors)
  • 25 regular season games in other cities not involving the Cubs
  • 16 "other", including three World Series games (one in Kansas City in 1980, and two in Milwaukee in 1982), and six All-Star games
This count dates from September 7, 1969, the earliest game from which I still have a scorecard; that's a famous game from that season in which Willie Stargell hit what we now call a "Hawkins" -- a two-out, two-strike home run to tie the game in the 9th inning, and the Cubs lost in 11.

I didn't want to say anything before the game so as not to jinx it, but the Cubs nearly always win my major milestone games. Last night was no exception: a 4-2 win over the Astros, which also kept my perfect record in Texas intact (now 5-0 at Minute Maid Park), winning the series and moving to within 5.5 games of the wild-card leading Astros -- and also the Phillies, who tied Houston with their 4-3 win over the Nationals, and I'll have a bit more to say about all of this later on.

During the hot, sticky day I didn't do too much, just hung around downtown Houston, wandered through the Houston Center, which at first glance appears to be a much fancier mall than it really is -- it's more a glorified food court with a few stores and the promise of some others, which crowds up with office workers at lunchtime but is otherwise pretty empty. Didn't buy anything and then headed off to the game.

During Cubs BP I headed over to the Crawford Boxes, the seats right above the scoreboard in LF, where people hang out waiting for baseballs. Got one! Nomar hit one that smacked off the concrete above the seats, and it landed right at my feet, where I picked it up. Then I wandered down to the Cubs dugout, where Jim Hendry was standing with his sons; after BP was over Hendry flipped a couple of dozen baseballs into the stands, aiming at kids, which I thought was a nice thing to do.

I was surprised, frankly, by the size of the crowds for the two games I attended -- 31,963 on Tuesday and 29,978 last night, over 10,000 short of capacity both nights. This for a team that's been about the hottest in the NL since the end of May, that's leading a playoff race, and that had two quality pitchers going and a popular opponent. Also, many Houstonians had apparently not been apprised of the ESPN-requested game time change; at 6:05 game time the place was less than half full, and people were still walking in at 7:15, by which time the fast-moving game was already in the fifth inning.

There were far fewer Cub fans in attendance than there were last year when I was here in June 2004; I suppose that's because of the disappointment of 2004 and the mediocre performances so far in 2005. You could tell this on the home runs hit last night, both Z's and Nomar's; these are occasions where you really stand up and cheer and there were only scattered pockets of Cub fans here and there -- I'd say only a couple of thousand all told.

Those who didn't come this year missed two terrific games, and apart from the meltdown on Monday, the Cubs have now played seven consecutive games well -- that includes the Saturday loss to the Cardinals, where they just got beat.

The Astros have some dry-erase boards behind the plate where they post the lineups, so I walked over and wrote them down before they were announced. Both on the board, and as announced, Jeromy Burnitz was sixth and Corey Patterson seventh. Thus, I was surprised when these two batted in the opposite order -- I thought at first it might be another Dusty Baker lineup snafu, but no one said anything, so the official lineup cards must have just differed from what was announced.

Z pitched nearly flawlessly -- he had one bad inning, where Craig Biggio's leadoff double and a walk helped lead to two runs, one of which was unearned when Nomar threw a double-play ball into the Astros dugout. You know, he looks flashy in the field and his lateral movement doesn't seem to have been impaired by his injury, but there are times when he seems to make really bad decisions, such as this one. An inning later, he left the game witih "back stiffness", which doesn't appear to be serious and the word is that with the off-day, he'll be all right for the oddly-timed 4:05 pm (CT) start in Denver on Friday.

Otherwise, Z was not only getting nearly everyone out (he allowed only three baserunners apart from the fourth inning, two walks and a single), he was doing it with uncharacteristic efficiency. After he walked Morgan Ensberg with one out in the 9th, he left for Ryan Dempster having thrown 116 pitches -- which for him, isn't that many, considering it was a 9th inning total, not a 7th inning total.

Some more goofy defense made it a little bit of nervous time; when Todd Walker's attempt at a game-ending DP went awry on both ends, it put runners on first and third with one out. I had thought, at first, that Walker had gotten the out at second, and so when Orlando Palmeiro bounced into a 3-6 force play, I thought the game was over.

You could forgive me for trusting the scoreboard on that; it was goofy all night, the side scoreboards visible down the LF line had it showing the fourth inning during the fifth, changing ball and strike counts to suit what the Astros were thinking the calls should be rather than what the umpires actually called (and to be fair, I thought the strike zones were pretty odd for both teams in both games), and not having the right batters posted on several occasions.

Nonetheless, Ryan Dempster bore down and kept the usually-powerful Astros from hitting the ball out of the infield, and ended the game happy for us, with a ground ball to Neifi!

Odd sights: a woman sitting behind me wearing way too much makeup, crowing about her soon-to-be-divorce, getting really drunk and pawing her boyfriend -- at least I hope it was her boyfriend, because if she had just met the guy, she was getting WAY too familiar. And at the end of the game, the aisles clog up very quickly, and for an interesting reason -- everyone's being polite! People let everyone in the row behind them out first, so if you are in the lower rows (I was in row 16) you have to wait a while before you get to the concourse.

It was worth waiting last night, for the win; the Cubs are now 5.5 games behind the Astros AND the Phillies, who, as I said above, now are tied for the lead.

Today, the Phillies will make up their rained-out game from Tuesday night in a split day/night doubleheader against Washington. The best scenario for the Cubs would be for a split, which would maintain the 5.5 game difference. If the Phillies win both, they'll take over first place in the wild-card race and be 6.5 games ahead of the Cubs; if the Nats sweep, then they would take over the top spot, and the Cubs would trail by six games. Unless, of course, Houston beats Milwaukee tonight, in which case the Astros could be first again. Or not. It's complicated.

That smidgen of hope is worming its way back, isn't it? Don't you feel it? The Cubs head on to Colorado, where they have always played well and where they face a team that's 31 games under .500.

A sweep there, and then maybe we'll have something.

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Let me be one of the first to congratulate you, Al
 ...for being such a SUPER Cub fan all these years and cheerleading the rest of us with your outstanding blog!
  If the Cubs ever get to the World Series, you, sir, should have the honor of throwing out the first pitch at Wrigley Field!
  I don't think there is any sportswriter in Chicago or anywhere else who knows more or cares more about the Cubs than you do.
  Thank you for your terrific enthusiasm for this club and always bright optimism.
  Hope springs eternal for Cub fans worldwide -- and this hope is nurtured by a great man himself, Mr. Al Yellon!

by Butchoh31 on Aug 18, 2005 8:43 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Man...
... you're gonna give me a big head or something with all those compliments!

Seriously, thanks, and I'm happy to share all of this with all of you, and your contributions help make this site the great gathering place for Cub fans that it's become.

by Al on Aug 18, 2005 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree
You should have a big head, there is not a whole lot of things I look forward to in a work day, but coming to work and reading about the ups and downs of the game the night before, then checking out what you have to say about the pitching matchups just before I leave.... I just love it...

Congrats on the 2000th game

You better make the last road trip to Houston w/your 5-0 record.... A four game sweep to end the season could mean big things

by BillHoldenFan on Aug 18, 2005 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

2000 games!
Man, I wish I was you.

by drone1047 on Aug 18, 2005 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks, Al
I just discovered your blog a couple of weeks ago after surfing a number of other cubs sites.

Yours is - quite simply - manna from heaven.

Thanks for being a twice daily (at least) must read!

by greencubsman on Aug 18, 2005 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey...
... again, thanks for all the kind words and compliments.

I've always hoped to give everyone a feel of what it's like at the ballpark every day, and I'm glad you found your way here.

Keep the faith.

by Al on Aug 18, 2005 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Glad you enjoyed your trip to our fine state!
And it seems your milestone did its magic, helping the Cubs beat Oswalt at home!  Your comments on the game attendance (or lack thereof) and how few Cubs fans were there are interesting.  I would chalk up those things more to the weeknight games and the Cubs' performance when they were in Houston early this season than I would to the 2004 meltdown.  

Houston folks view their sports events more as entertainment than as supporting the team (including all of their bandwagon fans of last fall).  This means they don't try very hard to get to the games that don't fall on the weekend, even when the games are at night.  I have fond memories of going to "two dollar Tuesday" games at the Astrodome while I was in school in Houston, when my friends and I were often part of such a small crowd that it could be accurately described as having an intimate feeling, even in the cavernous Dome.

Regarding the Cubs fans' attendance, I was at all of the Cubs' games in Houston this spring and I believe they were all sell-outs or close to sell-outs, with Cubs fans being in evidence everywhere.  But those games were on the weekend, and we lost 2 out of 3, with the last game being the Prior meltdown/9-3 blowout.

by dfrancon on Aug 18, 2005 8:48 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

speaking of personal stats....
What's your record in fantsy baseball?  I want to know how nervous I should be these next 6 weeks!
Strive to Thrive in 2005!

by Tommy on Aug 18, 2005 8:54 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I forgot to ask:
does attendance at White Sox games really count?

;)

by dfrancon on Aug 18, 2005 9:08 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Al
I wish I had your positive outlook. When August started the Cubs were in 6th place in the WC race. Now 16 games into August, the Cubs are tied for 6th place in the WC race and 3 games behind 5th. I'd love to see them make a run. But I think I'm just going to resign myself that the best they can do is play competitive ball the rest of the season and just be happy with that.

by Thunderclap Newman on Aug 18, 2005 9:08 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Actually...
The Cubs were in 5th place and 4 games out.  
Cubbie blue always sPaRkLeS in my eyes.

by sparkles721 on Aug 18, 2005 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

argh!
That's even worse.

by Thunderclap Newman on Aug 18, 2005 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gee
"A sweep there, and then maybe we'll have something."

Isn't saying this what got me in trouble?

Ih yeah.  That and a targeted "dumbass."

by Ivychat on Aug 18, 2005 10:57 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Are You In Trouble?
Is there anything we can do to help?
"Everything that rises must converge"

by jpalaska on Aug 18, 2005 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Al
Congrats. You are the very embodiment of the perpetual-optimist-wait-til-next-year Cubs suferfan. But can you really count the AS games in your list, even if they 'count' like the past couple of years?

As for this season, I still subscribe to Chuck's depiction of it being a dead parrott. And if the Cubs do not kill me with their malaise, Dempster certainly will. Are we sure we want to go into next year with this guy as the designated closer?

by victor on Aug 18, 2005 11:25 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

18/20
how can you argue with that?  This is the first year he's ever done this.  He has been a breath of fresh air showing the brass balls he does.

Just think, if we had him last year going 18/20 instead of LaTroilet blowing 8 of 12 1-run saves, we would have had back-to-back post season appearances.

by socalbob on Aug 18, 2005 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And the two games Demp blew......
The Cubs won both of them.  So in the 20 games the Cubs have brought Dempster in to save the game, they have won EVERY one.

by mannytrillo on Aug 18, 2005 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

really? didn't know that--thanks
no sarcasm either.  First I heard about that.

by socalbob on Aug 18, 2005 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The BS/Ws for Dempster were ...
... 5/11 at Wrigley against the Mets, and 7/26 at St. Louis (the Neifi Perez grand-slam game).
Luck is the residue of design. -- Branch Rickey

by Gregory on Aug 18, 2005 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And the 5/11 game...
... was his first ML save attempt.

by Al on Aug 18, 2005 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I want
Hendry to see if he can get Wagner. I would rather see Wood go back to being a starter after his surgery, rehab and a spring training stint to straighten his mechanics. I am just saying that Dempster doing his jb, albeit precariously; should not preclude Hendry from looking for a Bonafide closer like Wagner if he is available. :-)

by victor on Aug 18, 2005 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

agree on all points
Wagner to close, but I would like Dempster back too.  And Wood needs to be in the rotation.

by socalbob on Aug 18, 2005 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No way
Wood in the rotation is, now, just dumb.  He's had one good stretch in the last three years (September and early October 2003).  While his BA against is good, his OBP against is awful.  And the differential between his BA and OBP is one of the highest in the league.

He's a closer.  Instead of blowing $14 million on Wagner, spend $12.5mm on Wood.  Give Dempster $4mm to setup.  Then, go trade for a starter and sign a free agent.

You have to make those two moves because not one of the minor leaguers is gonna be ready by next year.

by Ivychat on Aug 18, 2005 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

exactly
which is why you can't spend $12.5M on a closer!

If Hill or Pinto or Brownlie or Hagerty or Nolasco was ready, you could take their $350K salary in the 5 spot and live with a $12.5M closer for one year.  I like signing a Wagner to close for 3 years at which time the Wood and Muddux contracts are up leaving room to sign Big Z to a long-term deal and re-up Prior.  And it gives the team the chance to win "now" without having to find another low-rent pitcher for the 5 spot.  They need serious help in the OF and need to spend some money there as well as at 2B/SS.

Now that Maddux is going to be renewed ($9.5M?)for making his performance kickers, you can't have a $12.5M closer.  

I totally disagree with your view on that one.

by socalbob on Aug 18, 2005 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No Wagner, Wood back in rotation maybe
If we can fill in the holes in our rotation then leave wood in the bullpen.  If we are to get Wagner, we would definitely be paying a lot, since he is going to be a hot commodity this offseason.  

Wood is a good starter when he is injury free.  If this shoulder problem can be fixed, then throw him back in the rotation.  If it looks like Angel Guzman is coming along well, throw him in the rotation and put Wood in the bullpen.  Maybe we can make a play at Burnett who would be worth overpaying for his services and then we can definitely throw Wood in the pen

"You know what God told the cubs. Don't do anything until I get back!" Pete Rose

by Will71081 on Aug 18, 2005 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Forget Guzman
he is an even worse version of Woody. I do not think we will ever see Angel pitch in the majors.

by victor on Aug 18, 2005 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Does that mean...
he can be a set up guy?
Cubbie blue always sPaRkLeS in my eyes.

by sparkles721 on Aug 18, 2005 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Forgetting Guzman
 is the current CW, but I have a funny feeling you'll see him next year.

by Matt Allison on Aug 18, 2005 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I kind of agree...
they said he wasn't going to pitch this season, and he is with the rookie league, but it sounded like they were going to have to wait for rehab a lot longer.
Cubbie blue always sPaRkLeS in my eyes.

by sparkles721 on Aug 18, 2005 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lost
"which is why you can't spend $12.5M on a closer!"

Because spending that much on a closer is dumb?  It's not for a lights out closer.  Dennis Eckersley's presence meant you had 8 innings to get a lead, or you lost.  He shortened the game for the oppoenent: You play nine, they play 8.

Or because you need Wood and his 5 innings per start as a starter?  Wood cannot stay healthy long enough to be reliable and his wildness causes him to run high pitch counts.  He also taxes a bullpen.

You cannot start Kerry Wood in 2006.

by Ivychat on Aug 18, 2005 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes
it is financially irresponsible to pay 12 million to a guy who is going to pitch at the most 80 innings. The best closers today Mariano and Hoffman are making 10.5 and 5.0 respectively. Mariano's numbers are inflated because of Steinbrenner. Even Gagne is making 9.5.

That is why I think that Hendry will try out Woody as a starter one more time. Woody also wants to start;  as he knows that is where the big bucks are. If he reinjures himself again, I am sure he will be more amenable to going to the pen; not until then.

by victor on Aug 18, 2005 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

But isn't the $12M
already "spent"??? So to me the question is more what do you get for your $12M. History tells us that Wood will likely be an average starter, agood #4 or #5. Health issues and inconsistency will keep him from being a top of the rotation starter. The short sample of Wood in the pen tantalizes us with the idea he can be dominant for 60-70 innings a season.

What is truly fiscally irresponsible IMO, is to pay Wood $12M to start and provide mediocre results. I say use him in the pen and burn him up trying to get to the WS in '06.  Win or lose, send him and his enormous salary packing.

by Thunderclap Newman on Aug 18, 2005 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Easy
Hoffman is about to get a huge raise.

Wagner's at 9 million already.

Issringhausen's at $8.75mm starting next year.

Foulke's at $7mm.

Wood gets $12.5mm if he only scratches the pimples off his ass.  Do you trust him as a starter?  I don't.  Do you trust him as a reliever?  No, but I do more than as a starter.

The dollars are spent.  Get the best return possible.

by Ivychat on Aug 18, 2005 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He is only 28, not yet ready to write him off
If his shoulder can get better and he can come back and actually pitch, Kerry Wood is a number 1 or 2 starter.  The guy can be too dominant with that slider not to have him in the rotation.  

If the diagnosis is that he cannot throw more then 4 innings, then get him in the bullpen, Kerry's health is the only thing that hinders him.

"You know what God told the cubs. Don't do anything until I get back!" Pete Rose

by Will71081 on Aug 18, 2005 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well the fact
that he often throws 100 pitches to get through 5 innings is also a big hinderance. Even when healthy Kerry Wood has trouble pitching enough innings and providing enough quality starts to be anything more than a middle of rotation starter. "Great stuff" does not make someone a #1 or #2 starter, consistent great performance does.

by Thunderclap Newman on Aug 18, 2005 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Clap
it's both, not just performance.  You have to have "the stuff" to be considered an ace and then the performance to justify it.

I'd rather take Woody's on-again off-again starting career than watching Mitre, Koronka, Hill, et al pitch brutally for a full season with Wood sitting there as we lose 9-2.

And I already know the reply--"just put him in the pen to avoid all that and go get another starter."  I don't agree with that.  When we can roll Wood out there with Prior and Z our team has a huge advantage against our opponents.  Maddux at the #4 will beat most #4's and Williams/Rusch is certainly as good or better than any #5 out there.  Eliminate Wood and everyoen moves up a spot and we are not that much better.

And I realize I'm hoping for an injury-free campaign.

by socalbob on Aug 18, 2005 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree....
If would goes to the pen, we need to get another quality starter.  I know Kerry isn't the greatest, but if he is replaced by someone that isn't close to his level I think many people will be complaining.  
Cubbie blue always sPaRkLeS in my eyes.

by sparkles721 on Aug 18, 2005 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Close to his level
Here's Baseball Reference on the "Similar Pitchers" to Kerry Wood.  Look at the names.  Underwhelming, to say the least.  Get "someone that isn't close to his level" is not a tough standard.

When looking at Kerry Wood, you have to look at the body of work.  Not the arm and a 1998 game against Houston.

FWIW, I just love #2 on the "through age 27" list.

Similar Pitchers
Dave Boswell (964)
Steve Busby (952)
Vern Bickford (944)
Jim Nash (941)
David Palmer (941)
Charlie Lea (938)
Elmer Riddle (932)
Roy Halladay (929)
Johnny Rigney (928)
Britt Burns (927)

Similar Pitchers through Age 27
Stan Williams (957)
Ernie Broglio (956)
Chan Ho Park (954)
Kirby Higbe (952)
Pete Harnisch (949)
J.R. Richard (948)
Jack Morris (948)
Wilson Alvarez (944)
Jim Nash (941)
Al Downing (941)

Most Similar by Age
Don Robinson (983)
Mike Torrez (977)
Wayne Simpson (959)
Chuck Estrada (976)
Jack McDowell (956)
Stan Williams (957)

by Ivychat on Aug 18, 2005 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I said....
that Kerry isn't the greatest, but he is a big name, bad performance or not, which is why he is at a different level. The only person on this list that I would take is Roy Halladay.  I wouldn't be very happy if Hendry brought in Chan Ho Park or Wilson alvarez to pitch.  I would rather have Kerry on the DL.  

Unfortunately, I have never heard of Ernie Broglio or anybody else on this list besides Halladay and Chan Ho Park. Only eight of them have pitched during my life(and only the 3 are active), so I'm pretty sure Hendry can't bring anybody from this list to pitch for the Cubs.  If only the 3 active pitchers on this list compare to Wood, then I think we need a bigger list because otherwise we still have no one to replace him because I don't think Halladay is available.

Cubbie blue always sPaRkLeS in my eyes.

by sparkles721 on Aug 18, 2005 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

FYI
Lou Brock was traded among others for Ernie Broglio.

I'm with ya sparkles.  Wood--rotation of bust!

by socalbob on Aug 18, 2005 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I forgot
Al told me a long time ago about the Lou Brock trade because I had no idea what the trade was about since it happened before I existed.
Cubbie blue always sPaRkLeS in my eyes.

by sparkles721 on Aug 18, 2005 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sparkles...
... you have added quite a bit to the various discussions here, and by some of your comments it seems you are quite young.

This isn't a criticism by any means... but I'd like to recommend that you get yourself a book on baseball history and read up on some of the historical things that we have referred to here.

You'll enjoy it and learn something in the process.

Or, start at the Baseball Almanac, which has a lot of good historical info.

For a great book about the history of the Cubs, get Peter Golenbock's Wrigleyville.

by Al on Aug 18, 2005 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes...
thanks for the suggestions.  I'm sixteen,  so I am young.  Sometimes I'm jealous of all of you because you have seen so much.  I wish I had a couple more years under my belt as a fan because sometimes I have a disadvantage.  All those pitchers Chuck mentioned(the ones not active of course) I had to look up at baseball reference.  I love your site Al because I can talk as much Cubs as I want, unlike at my house where there is no one that understands my love of the Cubs.  Thankfully, I have a friend that has a family full of Cubs fans.

Sometimes I wonder if my parents were Cubs fans, if I would have went against it and been a Cards or White Sox fan, or still have been a Cubs fan.  Plus, it would have made everything so much easier for me.

Cubbie blue always sPaRkLeS in my eyes.

by sparkles721 on Aug 18, 2005 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

should have typed
"or" bust.  Fat-fingered the keyboard, sorry.

by socalbob on Aug 18, 2005 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well
you can hope for an injury free campaign. We all did that this year and last. It didn't work out very well. To be honest, I don't see how having Wood in the rotation is such a huge advantage. An oft-injured, 2-pitch starter who only thrown over 175 IP in 2 of his 8 years in the bigs doesn't seem to be a big advantage.

I give you that he has days where he sparkles. But these are too infrequent to be called a huge advantage IMO. Starting may also be dangerous to his health, so when he hits the DL you'll end up with your list of "Mitre, Koronka, Hill, et al" starting anyway.

by Thunderclap Newman on Aug 18, 2005 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

the buckos may be spent
but I am sure the brass would rather get a starters return out of that investment. No matter how overpowering Woody is from the pen this year, I have a feeling that the cubs brass is going to try him as a starter one more time. I also think that Woody will refuse assignment ot the pen next year.

by victor on Aug 19, 2005 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can't
start Kerry Wood, but Hendry and Dusty can.  And unless someone that is good replaces him, I'm pretty sure the bullpen is going to get taxed anyway.  They can start him, and if it doesn't work now, unlike other years, they have Plan B.  But seriously, I think we need to wait for the surgery and then discuss all this.  
Cubbie blue always sPaRkLeS in my eyes.

by sparkles721 on Aug 18, 2005 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wood in the rotation
Dumb or not he is going to start out there. There is no way Hendry will not attempt to rehab Wood to see if he can start one more time. 12.5 million buckos for a closer is just financially irresponsible. Now if Wood bombs out again, then even HE will not object to being put in the pen as either a setup man or closer. But he is going to come out of spring training next year as a member of our starting rotation.

Now, considering how good he has shown himself to be in the bullpen; how many cubs fans are going to 'hope' for arm troubles so he can become our closer?! :-) I know it is sick, but it makes you wonder.

by victor on Aug 18, 2005 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't....
Woody is my favorite pitcher, and I love seeing him succeed.  He needs to start though, he is already going to get paid, so he is definitely going to be a starter, even if the Cubs question it.  Morris had the same thing done, and he is doing good.  Woody has way better stuff than Morris so I like to dream about how good he would do.

Yesterday was weird though.  He started to warm-up and then they didn't use him, something they said they weren't going to do and hadn't happened before.  I thought that we were going to see Wood get his first save.  With all the drama that went on, I was thinking that it would have been a good idea, especially after they had him up.

Cubbie blue always sPaRkLeS in my eyes.

by sparkles721 on Aug 18, 2005 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Warming up Wood and then not using him:
I don't care what Baker or Rothschild or anyone said, it's not a realistic assertion to say that you will never warm up a particular reliever without bringing him into the game. The exigencies of baseball don't allow for that sort of dogmatic thinking. A baseball game is too fluid for it, particularly in the late innings of a nailbiter. The situation literally changes from pitch to pitch, and any manager or coach who ignores that truth by swearing that he'll never warm up a reliever and then sit him down again is full of hooey.
Luck is the residue of design. -- Branch Rickey

by Gregory on Aug 18, 2005 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm with ya, Chuck
The 2006 $ for Wood is sunk. Put him where he can be most effective. Currently that looks like the pen. Obtain a solid middle of rotation (or better) starter and use Maddux & Williams as your 4/5. Resign Demp & Ohman.  Base your pen around...

Wood
Demp
Williamson
Ohman
Hill (Loogy/mop up unless he proves more, similar to Cotts on the south side)

Pick up a cheap FA or two to fill out the pen.

Use the balance of the payroll to address the OF and middle IF issues.

by Thunderclap Newman on Aug 18, 2005 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's the point
Wood is going to get paid his $12m next season regardless of how he's used. The money's already spent as far as the Cubs are concerned.

This is an interesting argument, but it's moot. The Cubs brass is going to put Wood back into the rotation next season, and it's easy to see why. The importance of closers notwithstanding, the starting rotation is the very heart of a ballclub. An arm like Wood's, and the intermittent stretches of brilliance he's shown as a starter since his rookie season in '98, presents too great a temptation to keep out of the rotation, big money or no big money. It's too difficult to find good starters who are as capable of dominance as Wood has proven himself to be (albeit not consistently throughout his career). I suspect that Hendry, Baker & Co. (and Wood himself) have already sold themselves on the idea that Wood circa '06 can combine Matt Morris's post-debridement recovery with Wood's characteristic velocity.

The problem is that Wood's medical history is not promising in that regard. I have a sinking feeling that, no matter how many times he goes under the knife (or the 'scope), he's still going to end up a sore-armed off-again-on-again DL resident when put into a situation in which his pitches pile up.

Luck is the residue of design. -- Branch Rickey

by Gregory on Aug 18, 2005 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't be so sure
I could be convinced that they (mgmt) are just tabling the issue until the offseason when they can sit down with Wood and discuss the future. A decision on whether Wood will be a SP or a RP in 2006 does not have to be made, and IMO should not be made, during the 2005 season.

by Thunderclap Newman on Aug 18, 2005 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The key
That they know he needs surgery and that the season is alrady over, the mere fact that they are trying him in the pen is proof that they are willing to try it next year.

by Ivychat on Aug 18, 2005 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're right
That descision should be made after the surgery, and especially after some quality pitching. Maybe even during spring training when he's already made a couple of starts.

by amaru on Aug 18, 2005 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Spring Training
is too late. The team needs a plan before players report to camp. The decision will need to made early in the offseason, so they know how to fill out the rest of the pitching staff for 2006.

by Thunderclap Newman on Aug 18, 2005 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's what
I was thinking too, but for some reason didn't write it.

Ultimately I think Wood will have the final descision..

by amaru on Aug 18, 2005 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm going by what Hendry said
Hendry's on the record as saying that, in the best-case scenario regarding Wood's surgery and recovery, he will return to the rotation next season.
Luck is the residue of design. -- Branch Rickey

by Gregory on Aug 18, 2005 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I completely agree...
... with Chuck here, which is news enough.

Look at the success people like John Wetteland, and Eric Gagne, had when converted to closer. Granted, neither had been longtime major league starters.

Maybe John Smoltz is the best comp. Smoltz had elbow trouble -- Wood has shoulder trouble. Smoltz had 3 1/2 years as a lights-out closer, then went back into the rotation. He's a likely Hall of Famer, and has made nearly $90 million in his career.

That's what Kerry Wood should be looking at -- and he's quite a bit younger than Smoltz was when he switched over.

by Al on Aug 18, 2005 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Smoltz/Wood
Al:

  Smoltz was a more effective, consistent starter at the time he went to the pen than Kerry Wood. Which actually makes your point stronger. The Cubs would lose less by moving Woody to the pen than the Braves did when they moved Smoltz. Atlanta was moving a Cy Young winner to the pen. The Cubs would be moving an injury prone, occasionally spectacular, but more often enigmatic and inconsistent starter to the pen.

by perseman on Aug 18, 2005 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I admit...
... that six games don't make a closer, but man, he sure looks like he could be a dominating one.

by Al on Aug 18, 2005 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Remember the Braves rotation was set
when they moved Smoltz to the bullpen.  If the Cubs are to move Wood to the bullpen they need to shore up the holes in the rotation.  Signing a guy like AJ Burnett would be huge, and I don't care how much you overpay for him.  I would take a rotation of Z, Prior, Burnett, Maddux, and Williams/Rusch and then throw Novoa, Wood, Dempster 7,8,9.  

If we overspend in the rotation, which is the most important part of this team, put Murton in left and lead him off.  Let Lawton go.  Bring Pie up, put him in center, throw Corey in right, and we should be able to swing a deal with Nomar mainly because of the injuries.

"You know what God told the cubs. Don't do anything until I get back!" Pete Rose

by Will71081 on Aug 19, 2005 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think I would die and go to heaven if we sign
Burnett and let the young guys play.
"You know what God told the cubs. Don't do anything until I get back!" Pete Rose

by Will71081 on Aug 19, 2005 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like...
how he has pitched this year, but isn't he Kerry Wood in the making?  Burnett hasn't exactly been injury free, and I think we would need someone more dependable.  He would be a nice replacement for Woody, but what if he replaces him on the DL too?  But who knows, maybe he fixed his problems for good, but I still wouldn't overpay.
Cubbie blue always sPaRkLeS in my eyes.

by sparkles721 on Aug 19, 2005 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I too...
... would worry about Burnett, given his injury history.

Remember, you don't have to look ONLY at the free-agent list for possible acquisitions. There are tradeable commodities just about everywhere in baseball.

Example: Jason Schmidt. I'd say he might be available for the right price in the offseason.

That's just one guy off the top of my head. I'm sure there are others.

by Al on Aug 19, 2005 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jason Schmidt is A.J. Burnett except older and
with a few more nagging injuries.
"You know what God told the cubs. Don't do anything until I get back!" Pete Rose

by Will71081 on Aug 19, 2005 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Come on, Will
Look at Schmidt's #s and compare them to Burnett.  They have extremly little in common beyond being RH and striking out many batters.  AJ Burnett is another Kerry Wood.  Jason Schmidt is a proven #1 starter (albeit a dinged up one this year).

by Thunderclap Newman on Aug 19, 2005 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Look at the similarities in their careers
look at Schmidt at age 27 and Burnett just turned 27.  Burnett has much better numbers than Schmidt, and both had elbow problems in their mid twenties.

Look a little closer at the numbers.  

"You know what God told the cubs. Don't do anything until I get back!" Pete Rose

by Will71081 on Aug 19, 2005 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

al-
congratulations on your dedication and perserverance. you need to get this info to mel brooks and carl reiner so they can write the "2000 game man" sketch for you. i would love to see you on espn (or any channel) with the two of them, reminiscing about "what it was like in the beginning".
and, please keep on bleeding blue !!

by dc60123 on Aug 18, 2005 11:52 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Congrats
Congratulations. I have enjoyed your insight over the past couple years, and I hope you keep up the great writing. The glimmer of hope is definitely there, small though it may be. And that's all I need.

by park on Aug 18, 2005 11:55 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Al
how many ballparks have you been to?  Counting the old, no longer here parks as well as the new one's of today.

by socalbob on Aug 18, 2005 12:01 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Total is...
... thirty-four ballparks; I have the list but it's too long to type now. Includes closed parks such as Metropolitan Stadium in Minnesota, County Stadium in Milwaukee, Old Comiskey, Candlestick, Jarry Park (yes, Jarry Park in Montreal), Exhibition Stadium in Toronto...

There are quite a few of the new parks I've yet to set foot in; maybe next year.

This is in three countries -- US, Canada, Japan (Tokyo Dome 2000); four if you count Puerto Rico in 2003.

by Al on Aug 18, 2005 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I got to Olympic Stadium Once
I think my wife and I were the only ones there ...

And since I haven't piped in, yet.  Congrats, Al!

by kjk on Aug 18, 2005 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

How huge was the win?
Sooooooo, how huge was the win last night? We'll we're not at the top of the wild card but we sure didn't let the leaders put us 8 behind them. Plus there is still that "smidge of hope" working it's way back into the fans and the players, I know Al feels it just as I do. And as bleak as it may seem to some, I would rather have that "smidge of hope" feeling than the feel of disdain and hopelessness. It seems funner to watch with that feeling.

Wining that series, like I said, set us up to gain a couple of games on the guys ahead of us while we are against the Rockies.

Zambrano the homerun hitting Ace!

by amaru on Aug 18, 2005 12:01 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Smidge's of hope are better then no hope at all...
They make the game fun and keep us believing until the mathematics crush all hope.... The mathematics wont come into play this year, b/c the end is going to be a special one.... FOR ALL OF YOU WHO HAVE LOST HOPE.... YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST <----  CUBBIES WILL SURVIVE IN 2005, ITS GOING TO BE A BATTLE, BUT WE'VE GOT THE SOLDIERS!!!!!

by BillHoldenFan on Aug 18, 2005 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Congrats man...
Not only as a Cub fan but a baseball fan in general I envy you, that's the kind of thing that I want to with my life.

Must've been exciting seeing all of those parks, that's awesome.

Patterson for MVP!!

by priorpwnz on Aug 18, 2005 12:47 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow Al, You've Been To A TON of games...
Congratulations on your milestone.  I've got ask, approximately how many foul or homerun balls have you caught (on the fly or by bounce) over all of these years?  You must have at least a few.  Glad you had a good time in Houston, hopefully the Cubs can play as well against Colorado this weekend...
One day, the dream will come true.

by brianp88 on Aug 18, 2005 3:23 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I have...
exactly one game home run ball. It was hit in St. Louis in 1983 by Leon Durham.

Have had two or three other HR balls hit my hand or right near me and bounce away at Wrigley Field; last one of those was by Henry Rodriguez in 2000. That ball bounced into the hands of an usher who I had never seen before; he gave it to the best-looking girl he could spot.

I get about 2-3 BP balls every year; got one last night, as I posted above. So I suppose I've got 30 or 40 baseballs sitting around in a pile.

That's nothing compared to the ballhawks, who boast of having literally thousands of baseballs.

by Al on Aug 18, 2005 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

photos from right center field
I had seats three rows back from the Houston bullpen. Here are some photos:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/35284396@N00/sets/778433/

They're kind of crappy, although most of the photos of the bullpen turned out OK.

by false cognate on Aug 18, 2005 4:24 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks falsecognate
Hey, the pics aren't crappy, and it's nice having seen the game on TV for the "I was there" perspective.  

Thanks for sharing.

by greencubsman on Aug 18, 2005 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

they're actually quite nice
what kind of camera you got, false?

by kjk on Aug 18, 2005 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Coolpix 4500
I'm shooting with a Nikon Coolpix 4500. It's a couple of years old. It takes decent pictures in bright light, but the zoom leaves much to be desired. Close-ups (macro style, really close) also don't look that great because it fish-eyes a little.

Thanks for the compliments, but there are better baseball photos I've taken - I've got some from May taken from behind the Astros dugout (Cubs-Astros), and some from behind home plate (Diamondbacks-Astros). Those pictures are better because I was closer to the action, compensating for the zoom. I was closer because they were free tickets from my friend's boss, and my boss respectively.

by false cognate on Aug 18, 2005 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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