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Five Questions With The Fish

When I first mentioned the idea of this to Mike of FishStripes, the upcoming Cubs/Marlins series loomed a lot larger with playoff hope than it does now.

Nevertheless, we decided to exchange Five Questions about the Marlins and Cubs; first, my questions for Mike about the Marlins and his answers:

Q: Apart from Miguel Cabrera, who is the Most Valuable Marlin this year and why?

A: Two names immediately come to mind: Dontrelle Willis and Todd Jones. The Marlins have been carried by pitching this season. Expectations were high coming into the year for Josh Beckett to A.J. Burnett. I think it's fair to say that they've (at best) lived up to expectations.

However, there were questions surrounding  Dontrelle Willis coming into the year. He started the season as the team's 4th starter (really - it's true), behind Beckett, Burnett, and Al Leiter. Willis had a spectacular first half, and then we started to worry that Willis would fade in the second half like he did in 2003 and 2004. There have been some bumps in the road, but Willis has been pretty solid throughout the year.

Without Todd Jones, I'm afraid to think of where the Marlins would be right now. There's no stability in the Marlins bullpen, but that's often quickly overlooked because the starters (three or four of them at least) have been so good. Jones has really held everything together though ( 1.13 ERA on the year, 0.92 WHIP; 0.00 ERA in August; 0.51 ERA since the break). Jones was supposed to be a middle reliever/set up guy this year, but when Guillermo Mota struggled and went on the DL earlier, Jones assumed the role of closer.

As much as Willis has been great for the Fish this year, I'd have to give the MVP nod to Jones. Without Jones in the bullpen, the Marlins would not be in contention for the Wild Card right now.

Q: Will Jack McKeon return next year as manager? If not, who's going to take over? Who would YOU want to take over?

A: Jack will not be back next year. That's not official, but I just can't imagine he's up for another year. There was talk earlier in the season (when the Marlins were struggling a little more than they are right now) that Jack wouldn't make it through this season and that his style wasn't working with the Marlins anymore. It turns out that Al Leiter (most likely) was the one complaining to the media about Jack.

Still, Jack seems to have lost it. He's always been unconventional, and in 2003 those moves seemed to work (odd pitching changes, random lineup moves, etc.). But this year it seems to have gone beyond just unconventional (calling Jeff Conine "Steve", referring to Dontrelle Willis as the "A-Train", and not knowing Matt Perisho's name when he called him in to notify him that he'd been DFA'd).

In terms of a replacement, that's tough. I don't think anyone realized it at the time, but losing Ozzie Guillen after the 2003 season was a big loss for the Fish. Ozzie related well to the players (as he was fairly close to their age) and he's bilingual. The Marlins current staff is very old and seems to struggle with English at times (ok, maybe that's just Jack).

While he doesn't fit the requirements I just laid out, I'd like to see the Marlins bring Jim Leyland back. Leyland had success with the Marlins before (managing the 1997 team) and he seems hungry to get back into the game. If they bring Leyland on, I'd like to see someone like Lenny Harris (assuming he retires), Andre Dawson (a member of the front office), or Joey Cora added to the coaching staff.

Q: How does Lenny Harris keep doing it, pinch-hitting as well as he is now, two years after the Cubs released him because he was horrible? What's his secret?

A: I wish I had the answer to this. It just doesn't make any sense. The only thing that I can think of is that it's the environment. That's not a knock on the Cubs or any other organization. But Lenny clearly has a role with the Marlins. He's the pinch hitter and he's also a leader in the clubhouse. Most of the guys that the Marlins depend on are very young. Guys like Beckett, Willis, and Cabrera are established, but they're also under 25. Harris seems to be enjoying the role as a clubhouse leader. My guess is that's made him happier and more productive.

Q: Will the Marlins break the bank to keep A. J. Burnett next year? Or are they willing to let him go? If so, do they have a hot prospect to replace him?

A: A.J. is as good as gone. There was allegedly an offer on the table during the spring worth about $24 million for 4 years. A.J. refused that and I doubt the Marlins will come up with more. The word down here is that A.J.'s wife is from the Baltimore area and that she'd like to move the family up there.

Next year's rotation will include Josh Beckett, Dontrelle Willis, and Jason Vargas. They'll likely add either Scott Olsen (a lifelong Cubs fan) and/or Josh Johnson to the rotation as well. Olsen was brought up earlier in the year and pitched well. Johnson hasn't reached the majors yet, but he's about as highly regarded as Olsen and Vargas, so hopes are high that there are more young starters waiting for the Marlins in the minors. Behind them, there are about a half dozen other prospects who will likely become solid major leaguers, but won't likely become number one or two starters.  

The fifth starter next year will probably be Brian Moehler (if he can be had at a reasonable price and if his recent struggles aren't a long term thing) or Ismael Valdez.

Q: Will the Marlins get their new stadium approved? And if not, will they have to move out of south Florida, or even be a contraction candidate after 2007?

A: Unless someone comes up with a donation of land (not the crazy Palm Beach idea that Don King suggested) or coughs up a serious chunk of money, the stadium isn't going to happen down here. There isn't public support for it and there isn't enough money to come from the various government areas.

Since it looks like the NFL isn't going to turn Dolphins Stadium (the current name of the Marlins ballpark) into a permanent or semi-permanent home of the Super Bowl (as Wayne Huizenga - former Marlins owner, current Dolphins owner, and current Dolphins Stadium owner - had hoped), my guess is that the stadium folks will be more flexible about working something out with the Marlins. They're not going to want to lose a tenant for 81 days per year. There just isn't anything in South Florida to replace that business.

Much of the problem now is that the lease agreement between the Marlins and the stadium is horrible. Both sides argue that it's a bad proposition for them. But this deal was negotiated two ownerships ago, when the team was desperate to secure something of a future in Miami and when Huizenga and team was bent on squeezing as much as they could from the team. If both parties can be reasonable with each other, the Marlins may be able to stay in Dolphins Stadium on a more permanent basis.

That's not ideal, but it keeps the team in South Florida.

I just don't see the team as relocating anywhere. Where would they go? It took years to get the Expos relocated to D.C. And when that happened it didn't seem like Vegas, Portland, or anywhere finished in a desirable second place.

Contraction is another issue. Since the Twins are closer to getting a new stadium than the Marlins, I guess you'd have to put the Marlins up towards the top of the list if that sort of talk ever becomes reality again.

Here are Mike's questions to me and my responses, many of which we have debated here amongst ourselves:

Q: Lately it seems like Dusty could be on his way out. Do you think he'll be the Cubs manager next season? If not, what needs to happen to save his job/keep him in Chicago?

A: Dusty Baker is absolutely, positively going to be the Cubs manager in 2006. He's under contract, and despite a loud chorus of Cub fans calling for his head, Jim Hendry isn't going to cut him loose before the end of his deal; if he did, that'd be two high-profile managers in the last five years (Don Baylor as well) that the Cubs would eat a million-dollar-plus year or more of a contract. It simply won't happen.

Baker's strengths and weaknesses are well known. Hendry didn't prepare a very good roster for Baker to use this year, partly because of the Sammy Sosa Circus, partly due to injuries and the failure to recognize that LaTroy Hawkins was not a closer. This cost the Cubs at least four games before they finally installed Ryan Dempster as closer, and he has done a good job.

Q: Who's next year's opening day shortstop for the Cubs - Nomar, Neifi, or someone else?

A: I'd pick Nomar. He could be the on-field leader that the Cubs have been looking for since Damian Miller and Eric Karros left after 2003; he's just been hurt too much. I'd offer him a incentive-laden contract with option years; that way, if he makes his incentives (at-bats, games played, etc.) he gets his money, if not, you cut him loose after one more year. He and Mia Hamm are building a house in the Chicago area; they like it here, and I know he wants to stay.

Neifi Perez is a useful utility player, but starting him every day for an extended period is a recipe for failure.

Could they go after free agent Rafael Furcal? Maybe, but I think he's so valuable to the Braves that they'll re-sign him. I like Nomar, and I'd like to see him for just one full season, at least, to see what he can do. He is only two years removed from a .301, 120 run, 28 HR, 105 RBI season.

Q: I'm sure we have a different take on the 2003 NLCS. Who or what do you fault for the Cubs losing that series (or do you think it was more a matter of the Marlins coming back to win the series)? What was the most painful end to a season in your memory?

A: Well, that had to be it, in terms of pain. Five outs away and rolling along. I do not blame Bartman; that was only a potential trigger. The key to game six was Alex Gonzalez (our guy, not yours) booting a sure inning-ending DP ball, which would have gotten the Cubs to the ninth leading 3-1. It hurts. A lot.

One of the other keys to that series was not going in for the kill in game 5. Beckett was lights-out, when the Cubs had the Marlins on the ropes and could have won it in Miami.

That said, I give credit to the Marlins for winning; it wasn't just the Cubs losing. They took advantage of every opportunity that was given to them, and that's what winning teams do.

You'll forgive me if I don't say too much more. Two years later, it still hurts. A lot.

Q: If the Cubs don't make the post-season, will you be cheering for the White Sox?

Hoo boy, another tough one. I am watching the White Sox with bemusement right now as they are not winning, and looking bad doing it. If they back into the playoffs (similar to the way they did in 2000, when they had a mediocre second half after breezing through the first half), they could go three-and-out, particularly if they play the A's. Oakland has their number and they know it.

Will I "root" for them? No. I think fan allegiance is to one team only, and mine's to the Cubs. I suppose if they win, it's "good" in some way for the city of Chicago.

Don't even think of asking what I'd do if there's a White Sox/Cardinals World Series. Maybe watch "Entourage".

Q: What does the future hold for Kerry Wood?

A: Here's what someone in Cub management has to do with Kerry: sit him down and explain how Dennis Eckersley was converted to closer in mid-career and rode it all the way to the Hall of Fame. Or how John Smoltz, beset with injury problems, spent 3 1/2 years as a closer, was lights-out, made a ton of money, and then when his arm was totally sound again, returned to the rotation.

Wood has been terrific -- a couple of damaging homers notwithstanding -- in relief. He consistently throws 97, 98 MPH and has a devastating 88 MPH slider that no one can touch. Throwing one inning at a time saves wear and tear on his elbow.

I'd install him at closer and re-sign Dempster to be his primary setup man. That solidifies the bullpen, although it also means you have to go out and find a quality starting pitcher. But the Cubs have had so many bullpen woes over the last decade -- you have to go back to Randy Myers to find someone who closed successfully for the Cubs for more than one season in recent years -- that when a solution like this presents itself, I believe you take it. I'd much rather see Wood closing, than hear for the umpteenth time that he's got a "twinge" in his elbow and has to spend another month or two on the DL.

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Nomar..
...cannot be an on-field leader.  He's never on the field.

Time for Nomar to go to left field.  Or just go away.

by Ivychat on Aug 25, 2005 12:10 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Chuck..
... is it possible for you to make a positive comment about anything?

Seriously, you are about the most negative person I have ever encountered.

by Al on Aug 25, 2005 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

OK
Here's positive:

Cendeno should play short and bat 8th next year.

Nomar should be signed to play left.

by Ivychat on Aug 25, 2005 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You know...
... that I don't totally disagree with you about Nomar in LF; we've discussed this here before. And I'm not totally against this idea, either.

Now tell me what you've seen in Ronny Cedeno that tells you that he should be the starting shortstop for a team you hope will be a contender next year. And be nice.

by Al on Aug 25, 2005 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i think if they're serious about winning
neither nomar nor cedeno can be the shortstop -- unless nomar is handcuffed to a 1a shortstop, a julio lugo. cedeno is totally unproven, and nomar simply cannot be guaranteed to play more than half a year.

fwiw, i think that -- again, if they're serious about 2006 -- they'll go get furcal. the braves have betemit, al, and he's much cheaper.

by gaius marius on Aug 25, 2005 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Everyone is unproven at one point
Come on, don't be like Dusty Baker. Every player is unproven until they are given the chance to succeed or fail at the MLB level. We bitch about the fact that the Cubs haven't developed any home grown talent, yet the team never gives anybody a legitimate shot to play (at least since the start of the Baker regime.)

Cedeno has proved he can hit in AAA. Let's give him a shot in the bigs.

Corey Patterson, please go be potentially good somewhere else.

by Ross on Aug 25, 2005 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

OK
Ronny Cedeno should be the starting SS for a team that I hope is a contender.

Why Ronny?  Well, the free agent options suck (pass on the alky Furcal) and the trade options are too expensive for Hendry to approach (Young).

That means, you go cheap at SS (Cedeno).  You then use the bux saved to go acquire three outfielders and at least one starting pitcher.

Without three new OFs and at least one new, experienced starting pitcher, this team won't be a contender next year, even with a 25 year old Ernie Banks at short.

BTW, how is suggesting Nomar should be an on-field leader positive?  What's positive about wanting a guy who's played in 71 games out of a potential 180?

That's doesn't sound positive to me.  That sounds like a 5 year old's love for the Easter Bunny.

by Ivychat on Aug 25, 2005 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

which sounds good
but it's hard to be a playoff team with a guy hitting .190 in the 8-hole. and cedeno very well may do exactly that.

i agree that they need an new outfield across the board (with the possible exception of lawton, who is an f/a anyway) and must add depth in the rotation (especially with rusch going away, even though i'm half-certain they're going to put wood in the rotation at least at first, for better or worse). and the bullpen desperately needs a professional reconstruction.

is it possible that this team simply has too many holes and not enough ready youth to be made into a contender in 2006 for less than $120mm?

by gaius marius on Aug 25, 2005 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

As long as the pitching is fixed and we can
get 3 quality outfielders, I agree with Ivy.

Who are the outfielders, and whatever you say, Juan Pierre's name is not to be mentioned.

"You know what God told the cubs. Don't do anything until I get back!" Pete Rose

by Will71081 on Aug 25, 2005 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well...
You have that now in Patterson.

You can absorb 1 guy hitting .190.  You can't absorb 2 or 3.

And Rinny won't hit .190.  He'll hit .240 or better.

by Ivychat on Aug 25, 2005 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

on cedeno
we do have that in patterson -- and we ain't winning! :)

you might be right about being able to hide cedeno. i agree that compounding the klown with neifi and macias and others has been the larger part of the problem. but when we look at the best teams, its hard to find even one guy on the roster getting at-bats who's so unproductive.

take saint louis -- the only player with over 150 abs who has hit less than .257 is scott rolen. take atlanta -- only kelly johnson has over 150 abs and hit under .240.

if cedeno doesn't hit .240, the cubs will have to get someone in there who can. and,if we're honest, we should admit that cedeno is a very unspectacular hitter, historically speaking. a career minor-leauge obp of .309 or so. he may never be a major-league player.

by gaius marius on Aug 25, 2005 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

One good team...
...that can't hit is the White Sox.

Crede and Uribe with OBPs in the Korey range (288 / 285).  Only 3 guys with OBP north of 325, and one of them is out (Scotty Pods).

If you use the salary saved by playing Cedeno to upgrade everywhere else, it can be done.

by Ivychat on Aug 25, 2005 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why would you assume...
... that because Nomar is injured this year, he'll be injured next year?

I'm willing to take that chance, IF you do it with an incentive-laden contract, because that limits your payroll exposure if he doesn't produce.

If he does, then you've got your on-field leader. If he doesn't, you let him go.

OK, Chuck, go tear this one apart. You enjoy this, don't you?

by Al on Aug 25, 2005 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Simple
Because Nomar's not been hurt this year.  He's been hurt this year, last year and two years before that.  He's not getting younger.  He's had an injury that will decrease his mobility at a position where mobility is huge.

Check this list.  It only goes up to 2001!
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Nomar Garciaparra has suffered injuries throughout his career. He's been on the disabled list four times (twice in the minors) and had a knee injury last spring training. He hasn't played more than 143 games in any of the past three seasons.

April 3, 1996 -- Sprained left ankle. Placed on 15-day DL; missed 9 games.

April 18, 1996 -- Strained tendon behind his right knee. Placed on 15-day DL; missed 93 games.

May 8, 1998 -- Separated shoulder. Placed on 15-day DL; missed 15 games.

March 1, 1999 -- Missed much of spring training with biceps tendanitis in elbow. Started Opening Day.

April 8, 1999 -- Strained left hamstring; missed 5 games.

June 24, 1999 -- Strained left groin; missed 13 games.

Sept. 25, 1999 -- HBP, right wrist; missed one game of ALDS.

Feb. 27, 2000 -- Sprained collateral ligament right knee. Returned March 8.

May 12, 2000 -- Strained left hamstring. Placed on 15-day DL; missed 14 games.

Feb. 28, 2001 -- Diagnosed with tendon split in right wrist; will miss at least two weeks of spring training
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Since then, he's been on the DL I think 4 more times!

Given his massive, and increasing injury history, why assume he's going to be HEALTHY?

There are only 2 possible conclusion:

  1. You weren't aware of his history
  2. You don't care about his history
If it's 2, you really don't want to give the Cubs the best chance to win.  Nomar is unreliable.

by Ivychat on Aug 25, 2005 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, I know about his injury history...
... but he also has six tremendous seasons of over 500 at-bats.

I'll take the chance that he can have another one or two or three with the Cubs, with the caveat that the contract MUST be heavily toward performance incentives.

That way, if he performs, you pay him. If not, you don't.

I'm sure you'll find some way to snipe at that, because you pretty much snipe at everything I say.

by Al on Aug 25, 2005 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

good teams wouldn't sign him
a window on reliability is everything -- we all know injury is one of the great determining factors in success and failure. he has a less than 50-50 chance of playing through any year now.

he's had six 500-ab years. great.

but you cannot responsibly ignore the fact that three of the last five years, he's spent more time on the DL than in the lineup. and you cannot responsibly ignore the fact that he is 33 coming off a major injury that he will never fully recover from, which will be prone to reinjury all his life, which has made him a problematic fielder and robbed him of some speed.

a good team would never take the risk, frankly, of relying on him. players like nomar are good for the san diegos and clevelands of the world -- teams that need to catch lightning in a bottle because of payroll constraints.

so the question really is: what kind of a team are the cubs? if they resign nomar, we'll know.

by gaius marius on Aug 26, 2005 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bigger Issue
If you sign Nomar to play short, and if (when) he gets hurt again, you've waisted ANOTHER year of Prior and Z's careers.

It's not the dollars that concern me.  It's, as Gaius says, the reliability.

Nomar is past the age when he is reliable.

by Ivychat on Aug 26, 2005 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And, of the ten events you cite...
... only ONE of them resulted in missing regular season time of over two weeks.

by Al on Aug 25, 2005 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love the Lenny Harris question
so much I have to respond.

IMO, the difference is that Lenny is back in the proper role. He's a pinch hitter only, not a position player. He's started one game this year and that was one of the interleague variety and he DH'd.  In 2003 he had roughly 30 starts. Expecting a guy like Lenny to perform as well as a starter as he does as a pinch hitter is foolish and ignores his career history. In 2003 the Cubs paid for it by having 30 games of poor offense from a starter.

by Thunderclap Newman on Aug 25, 2005 12:12 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Sounds kind of like...
... the way Baker has used Todd Hollandsworth.

by Al on Aug 25, 2005 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It does
and he's done the same with other players.  Although other than the 5 game stretch of starting Macias in CF, I don't have a problem with the way Baker has used him this year. The 2nd half Holly has been used as effectively as a manager could, the 1st half... not so much.  Neifi!... we all know he has gotten way too many starts this year and has lost his !. Patterson... I'm not going to start on that one.

This is where I think one of Baker's biggest strengths can turn into a glaring weakness. In my opinion, this team didn't need unrelenting loyalty from it's manager, it needed him to put it's best 8 position players out there as often as possible.

by Thunderclap Newman on Aug 25, 2005 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Perez...
... is a useful bench player. Unfortunately, with injuries, yes, he has had to play way too much.

I'd sign him again to be a backup next year. In that role, I think he could be successful.

by Al on Aug 25, 2005 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ugh
if we resign Nomar to play short and neifi as a backup we will be seeing neifi as our starter most of the year.  I don't plan on seeing another full season from Nomar again.

by mike bornemann on Aug 25, 2005 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't be so sure about that...
... wouldn't it be a nightmare to let Nomar sign elsewhere and resume his All-Star form?

Give him an incentive-laden contract. That way if he performs, he earns his money, and if not, you're not out that much.

by Al on Aug 25, 2005 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah
as soon as we cut him he would be an all star, if he stays he will miss the year.  its' practically guaranteed.

by mike bornemann on Aug 25, 2005 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ah the Cubs Fan's Eternal Optimism...
:)
If it isn't broke, then break it and complain about it.
Corey Patterson, please go be potentially good somewhere else.

by Ross on Aug 25, 2005 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

worried about the wrong things
wouldn't it be a nightmare to let Nomar sign elsewhere and resume his All-Star form?

you can't manage a team this way.

if you want to win, you need a healthy shortstop who can both field and hit. that ain't nomar, on two of three counts.

he's the kind of diamond-in-the-rough risk that a team like cincinnati or seattle should be signing -- not a would-be contender. unless, of course, the cubs don't plan on contending.

by gaius marius on Aug 25, 2005 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would prefer...
to let Nomar go and bring work like crazy to bring in a different guy, or give Cedeno a shot at it. That is why Cedeno should be playing every day from now until the end of the season.

Renteria would be an interesting guy. I don't think the Rangers will deal Michael Young. I would love to see Carlos Guillen, but I don't think we could get him from the Tigers.

-R

Corey Patterson, please go be potentially good somewhere else.

by Ross on Aug 25, 2005 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

There was discussion...
... after last season, about signing Renteria instead of Nomar. I think Renteria got way more money than he should have, and although he's had a decent year, he's performing nowhere near the value of the dollars he got. He's got a .753 OPS. Neifi's is .688 -- is that worth $9 million a year?

The Rangers might deal Young because they have great hitters at several other positions and they always are looking for pitching.

That said, yes, I agree -- once September comes and the rosters expand, I would like to see more of Cedeno as well. Keep in mind that most managers, not just Baker, won't play rookies or callups against teams that are still in playoff races, so don't expect to see him play against the Cardinals or Astros.

by Al on Aug 25, 2005 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd prefer Furcal...
...he's younger faster and far better defensively than Nomar.  While he'll never be the offensive player Nomar has the potential to be you can do worse than a 350 OBP and great speed in the leadoff hole.  Besides there isn't a long list of free agent outfielders worth $9MM a year (Giles??)

by Cubs60660 on Aug 25, 2005 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lovie's take on youngsters
There was an excellent article in the Trib on Smith's attitude towards young players.
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/cs-050824bears,1,667082.story?coll=cs- bears-headlines
For some reason Baker never gets the anger that he creates when he acts as union steward rather than manager in creating lineups. He won't play them during the season because they are trying to win and he won't play them in September because he owes it to the veterans.  He never seems to understand that he owes the fans anything.

What more can Cedeno do than bat .350 at AAA.  Just what does it say to other guys in the system that a .350 average can't get a chance over a backup named Neifi?

Players win awards but teams win championships.

by tharr on Aug 25, 2005 11:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

To Dusty's credit though, it is tough
to compare younger players in football to younger players in baseball.  

A football career is on average much shorter than the mlb career and much less damaging to your body.

Younger players are more prevalent in football partially because of the fresher bodies.

"You know what God told the cubs. Don't do anything until I get back!" Pete Rose

by Will71081 on Aug 26, 2005 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

dusty...
... is outta here. he's taking broadsides from the tribune's own newspaper. no manager survives the pr machine once it's really turned against them. the money is chump change for a club that wasted $104mm this season.

they're doing what they always do in the tower -- ruin the man's reputation, make him look like a buffoon (which he is), and play the merciful good guys in canning him.

by gaius marius on Aug 25, 2005 1:58 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Hey Mike, insert knife and twist why don't ya?
You know, those f'n Fish Fans just can't seem to stop gloating and rubbing it in over 2003, and fishboy Mike is no exception.  

What does the White Sox question have to do with the Cubs - this season or next, other than to piss Cubs fans off over the fact that our team won't be in the postseason this year but the Sox probably will?

What does the 2003 NLCS question have to do with this year's team or next?  Other than to remind us losers of how we blew it when they gloriously came back to win the NLCS and then move on to win the WS?

I may be a little sensitive myself, but Mike is an ASS.

As we head into a three game series this weekend, here are a few more questions for Mikey:

  • How did you feel when the Cubs knocked Dontrelle on his butt and swept the Marlins in Miami earlier this year?
  • How did you feel when Sergio Mitre, back now in AAA ball, beat your 2003 NLCS/WS hero, Beckett?
  • How will the Marlins wildcard chances look if the Cubs sweep them again?
  • If you win it all again this year, will Loria hold another firesale and sell everyone off?

by JFCubFan on Aug 25, 2005 5:15 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the love JF
Thanks for the kind words.

Sorry to bring up the 2003 NLCS, but in reality it represents much of the history between the Marlins and the Cubs.

I asked about the White Sox because I was born a White Sox fan (my entire family is from the South Side). I live in South Florida now, so I have Marlins season tickets and blog about the team. But I'm really a Sox fan.

I'd answer your questions, but since you think that Loria held a post-World Series firesale, I understand that you're not very well informed about the Marlins. The post-1997 firesale was held by Wayne Huizenga. Loria's never held a firesale.

by mike42 on Aug 26, 2005 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Havana!!
If Castro ever dies, you can expect MLB to be right smack dab in the middle of our return to business there. If Montreal could handle a team for any length of time....that would be one home field advantage....
Besides the obvious - Go Irish.

by PopeFlick on Aug 25, 2005 10:34 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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