The Piniella Era Begins

Photo: AP
First, as we did with the Dusty Baker press conference two weeks ago, I ask that you keep all the Piniella-hiring commentary here, rather than start a dozen different diaries on this topic.
The press conference announcing the hiring of Lou Piniella as the 56th manager (including the College of Coaches and a number of interim guys) in the history of the Chicago Cubs begins at noon CT today. I assume it'll be streamed somewhere, likely at cubs.com.
Will we see more scenes like the one in the photo above? Or has Piniella's year off of managing -- the only year he's spent out of a dugout in 43 years -- mellowed him?
This blog didn't exist in October 1999 or November 2002 (I started my old blog in January 2003), but if it had, I would have been singing the praises of Don Baylor and Dusty Baker when they were hired.
Both were "proven winners" -- Baylor had brought the Rockies to the playoffs in their third season, and had three winning seasons in his six years at Colorado, unprecedented for an expansion team. Baker had just finished bringing the Giants to the World Series (though in the minds of some, blowing it by his moves and non-moves), and had had six consecutive winning seasons.
As you know, neither of those hires worked out very well, and Baylor hasn't managed since he left the Cubs, and I suspect Baker won't, either.
Piniella arrives here with a similar reputation, though a longer career (nineteen managerial seasons, compared to six for Baylor and ten for Baker when they were hired by the Cubs), and a similar record -- four playoff appearances, one World Series, but one thing that no Cub manager (save Joe Altobelli, who had one interim game in between Don Zimmer and Jim Essian in 1991) has had since Leo Durocher -- a World Championship. As I wrote yesterday, Durocher and Piniella have similar reputations -- the hothead, tough guy manager. Does that sort of thing work in 2006 the way it did in 1966? Durocher said, memorably, when hired, "I am not the manager of an eighth-place team" (where the Cubs finished in 1965). The joke, of course, was that he was right -- they finished tenth in 1966. But that team had three future Hall of Famers. The 2006 Cubs, well, didn't.
Piniella, as has been discussed at length here, is a very, very similar manager to Dusty Baker in terms of how he approaches lineup construction, use of young players, and use and abuse of starting pitchers and bullpens. I'm also taken aback by the rumors that have already begun, the rumors that as many as three of the coaches we loathed so much in 2006 (Larry Rothschild, Gene Clines and Gary Matthews) may be retained by Piniella.
This is the old-crony network at its very worst. I don't have to tell you that a good portion of the Cubs' failures were due to the failures of those three men to do good jobs. I'd like to think that Piniella would bring along some of the people who have helped him to his success, or some up-and-coming younger men like Pat Listach.
So color me very, very skeptical about Piniella. I don't see him as a savior, and I don't care that he's likely going to give us a good TV show with his occasional on-field tirades. Those don't make you a winner.
The bottom line is, Jim Hendry has to go out and improve the National League's worst team by getting better players. It was said that players wanted to come to Chicago to play for Dusty Baker. That proved not to be true. If, as has been speculated and rumored, Piniella could be an influence in getting Alex Rodriguez to waive his no-trade clause and agree to a trade to the Cubs, AND Aramis Ramirez could be retained, AND the payroll expanded to $120 million -- well, then maybe we'd be talking.
I'm not going to start out bashing Piniella -- what's the point of that? I'm willing to give the guy a chance. Show me, Lou. Show me that YOU are the guy who can do what all the others since 1945 have failed to do -- bring the Cubs to the World Series. Show me that YOU are the guy who can do what all the others since 1908 have failed to do -- get the Cubs to WIN the World Series.
If you can do that, they'll be building statues to you here in Chicago.
UPDATE [2006-10-17 10:15:15 by Al]: The press conference should be available streamed live here, and also here, beginning at noon CT.
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by theprognosticator on
Oct 17, 2006 4:45 AM CDT
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Still getting nothing?
A rabbi, a priest, and a minister walk into a bar. The rabbi looks at the priest and says:
"PINIELLA!"
by theprognosticator on
Oct 17, 2006 4:58 AM CDT
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I'm not sure
by zambranofan on
Oct 17, 2006 8:57 AM CDT
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LMFAO
by Faith plus 1 on
Oct 17, 2006 11:02 AM CDT
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Besides
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2628823
ARod speculation aside, we are all getting what we've been screaming for from time immemorial: a stated goal of winning the WS and doing whatever it takes to do so.
Let's stop complaining and appreciate that this man is gonna bust his rear to make us happy.
by Matt Allison on
Oct 17, 2006 4:50 AM CDT
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I'm willing...
Incidentally, I'd expect the Cubs to go hard after Freddy Garcia now, since he played for many years for Piniella.
by Al on
Oct 17, 2006 8:10 AM CDT
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Discussing and speculating among thy 'selves
That said what would it take the Cubs to trade in kind for A-Rod especially if the speculation includes the idea that ARam is kept.
As Al discusses Lou can't do squat without talent, Tampa Bay stated that. So would having A-Rod who probably would return closer to his career numbers in production make an impact.
Yes. At what price? Zambrano, (with one year left and a possible FA offing, not certain and not good for the Cubs who are now pitching short.) But A-rod holds the cards, he is guaranteed $95M no trade...meaning no ChiSox, no Nat's, no whomever....So without a clean exchange of Aram for ARod what else would the NYY want? Pitching? of course, Zam, possibly but what about a package that includes Prior along with Dempster, the upside for NYY is that if Prior does eventually heal they got 2 years on arbitration and a genuine arm. Let's throw in Jones (in that Sheffield & Williams will be gone). Okay, Prior, Dempster, Jones for A-Rod and you got a deal. Sounds lite if they are interested in Izturis or Moore throw them in too
Soriano is an interesting proposition in CF and leadoff where the Cubs could offer the best $$.
RF can be solved with Trot Nixon.
Pitching will be the issue. If we keep Zam, Hill & Marshall are 4th and 5th starters who are the 2 and 3, more FA, one from Japan and Schmidt?
by Ivy Walls on
Oct 17, 2006 2:26 PM CDT
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No offense
You don't get clubs to part with top tier, proven players by throwing multiple lower tier players at them, unless it is a big time salary dump.
I have been reading your trade speculations for three years now and none of them has even come close to coming to pass.
You aren't going to get A-Rod for Dempster (coming off a bad year), Prior (huge question mark coming off injury), and Jones (many liabilities). You could throw in Cendeno and Pie and it still won't happen.
If you want A-Rod (I'm not sure I do, but that is another story), you are going to have to give up somebody with some proven value. END OF STORY.
by jazzman56 on
Oct 17, 2006 2:36 PM CDT
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I believe A-Rod
by cashcowsquirtingsourmilk on
Oct 17, 2006 2:46 PM CDT
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Hey I am all about
All this rumor talk of A-Rod, Soriano, C. Lee, and Schimdt ( according to the Sun Times ) well put a end to the speculation and get two of these pieces.
We will see won't we.
by Johnny Callison was a Cub on
Oct 17, 2006 5:15 AM CDT
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Does anyone know
I'm prepared to forgive any sins he may commit as long as the team OBP takes a big leap next year.
by MadHatterBlues on
Oct 17, 2006 5:49 AM CDT
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Unless Hendry falls out of love....
BTW, the term is not limited to men. I think Carrie Muskat is a "baseball guy" as well.
by perseman on
Oct 17, 2006 8:04 AM CDT
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My question is, then...
by Al on
Oct 17, 2006 8:09 AM CDT
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For the love of God
Hendry IS the GM. Hendry HAS BEEN and IS responsible for roster construction.
by BlueMike on
Oct 17, 2006 8:28 AM CDT
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Point is...
by Al on
Oct 17, 2006 8:44 AM CDT
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Here you go...
In Tampa (ranked 12, 13, 14 the 3 years prior to him becoming manager):
- 6
- 14
- 12
- 2
- 1
- 2
- 9
- 6
- 3
- 2
- 6
- 9
- 6
In Cincy (ranked 6, 8, 9 previous 3 years before taking over):
- 1
- 5
- 4
- 3
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- 1
Clearly, Piniella's teams have shown improvement over his tenure in on-base skills and his teams usually rank in the upper third and almost always in the upper half.
by Maddog on
Oct 17, 2006 8:55 AM CDT
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thanks Maddog
Hendry was/is responsible for who was playing, but Baker was responsible for how they played.
by MadHatterBlues on
Oct 17, 2006 10:47 AM CDT
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While some of the comments
by rlpete on
Oct 17, 2006 11:07 AM CDT
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Rebuttal
by BlueMike on
Oct 17, 2006 11:29 AM CDT
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go fondle
by Faith plus 1 on
Oct 17, 2006 11:37 AM CDT
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He could start by
It's really not that difficult a concept, Mike, and if the manager of the team can't impart that philosophy to his players and can't get them to buy into changing unsuccessful strategies, then he has no business being a manager of a big league team.
Not all of that falls to just the manager, but he's hiring his own coaches as a means to this end.
Harp on Hendry as much as you want, but someone somewhere along the way taught talented players to be selective with what they swing at (Vlad being the obvious exception to this rule). If Lou can't be a teacher, then he has no business being part of the Cubs.
by Scott on
Oct 17, 2006 12:32 PM CDT
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I'm....I'm excited
by Faith plus 1 on
Oct 17, 2006 11:03 AM CDT
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I don't expect "pet players"
The believe that Piniella is a dynamic manager. I honestly don't expect him to go though the "bull in a china shop" contortions that many fans want. I get the feeling that between him and Hendry they'll make some shrewed moves when assessing players and bring in some winners.
I'm interested in how this manager and Mark Prior will interact. My gut feeling is Mark Prior will thrive under Lou Piniella. The same goes for Wood. I don't see J. Jones in RF for long, that is unless Lou gets J. Jones to hit the cut-off-man consistantly. J. Jones could benefit from Lou.
Am Ram could be the biggest benefactor of the Lou sigining. I have alway seen A-Ram as a MVP, Manny Ramirez type player, but only surounded by 1 or 2 players better then him. Am Ram is not a leader, but give him a role to play and I believe you'll get the best out of him.
D Lee will be D Lee...Joe cool!
I like that Hendry picked Lou Piniella.
So now shut up and win.
by Scott G F on
Oct 17, 2006 8:27 AM CDT
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The Answer Is
by Luigi on
Oct 17, 2006 8:27 AM CDT
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Let me see if I've got this straight......
I'm sorry, I don't see how any of this is a net gain for us.
"Let's get ARod" sure sounds a lot like "Why not us?" to me.
by pageian on
Oct 17, 2006 8:35 AM CDT
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the Cubs would play
by brianp88 on
Oct 17, 2006 8:38 AM CDT
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Different third baseman?
Nope.
Still not a net gain.
by pageian on
Oct 17, 2006 8:40 AM CDT
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Actually
by Perkins on
Oct 17, 2006 10:41 PM CDT
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So essentially
by Perkins on
Oct 17, 2006 10:41 PM CDT
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that can't happen anyway, can it?
by cubfaninSTL on
Oct 17, 2006 8:41 AM CDT
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Good point
by pageian on
Oct 17, 2006 8:44 AM CDT
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That
by cubfaninSTL on
Oct 17, 2006 8:48 AM CDT
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Unless...
I'm not certain what the rules would say if he were signed to an extension BEFORE declaring free agency.
In any case, I'd like to see him kept AND acquire A-Rod.
by Al on
Oct 17, 2006 8:56 AM CDT
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Yes
by pageian on
Oct 17, 2006 9:10 AM CDT
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yabut...
Wheter A Rod over A Ram is enough improvement, that is debatable. One thing to consider. How will A Ram respond to Lou, and we know that A Rod and Lou are close, so it is at least reasonable to consider that A Rod might improve under Lou.
by WGNstatic on
Oct 17, 2006 12:21 PM CDT
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Unless....
by timeforachange on
Oct 17, 2006 9:15 AM CDT
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It's speculation
First of all, if Ramirez thinks he'll be traded, he'll not re-sign with the Cubs. The guy on ESPN that wrote that is clearly on drugs.
by Maddog on
Oct 17, 2006 8:57 AM CDT
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Was he getting his information
by pageian on
Oct 17, 2006 9:13 AM CDT
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It's safe
Personally, I think it was some author thinking of a player who may be comparable and then writing it down. I can't imagine how this would happen on so many different levels that it really makes no sense to me.
Unless the Yankees are interested in prospects, I don't see how the Cubs come up with a package to get A-Rod that doesn't include Carlos Zambrano. And, simply put, Carlos Zambrano is a more productive player than A-Rod. So is Ramirez at this point in their careers.
I'd be fine if they could get A-Rod to play SS, but not 3rd. I'd rather have Ramirez and I'm not even the biggest Ramirez fan around.
by Maddog on
Oct 17, 2006 9:24 AM CDT
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What if...
by Al on
Oct 17, 2006 9:41 AM CDT
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Do it
I would love to trade Hill and a prospect hitter for Crawford and have him play CF.
by cubfaninSTL on
Oct 17, 2006 9:44 AM CDT
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I'm not in favor of it.
Besides, if the Cubs have any chance of contending in 2007, Zambrano is going to be a part of that team.
I would trade Ramirez for A-rod and Hughes, but the Yanks are going to ask for so much for A-Rod that it's not really feasible. My guess is Cashman will first ask for Zambrano, Pie, and Hill straight up for A-Rod. How do you turn that around and then get the deal to favor the Cubs...or even to come out equal?
by Maddog on
Oct 17, 2006 9:52 AM CDT
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I don't think that it would take that much
The point is, given the negotiating position NY would be in, I don't see A-Rod costing the Cubs Ramirez or Zambrano.
by TC Cubby on
Oct 17, 2006 9:58 AM CDT
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I agree...
by Al on
Oct 17, 2006 10:01 AM CDT
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Marlins
by cubfaninSTL on
Oct 17, 2006 10:07 AM CDT
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NYY....
It is going to take a big deal (and some balls) to get this done.
Unfortunately, IMHO, it will require BigZ. You do this deal if you land two top notch FA pitchers.
by timeforachange on
Oct 17, 2006 10:05 AM CDT
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I disagree
by TC Cubby on
Oct 17, 2006 10:14 AM CDT
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Who is interested....
This makes sense because all of these teams are big market clubs. Would ARod come to these teams? Absolutely. Thus the no trade clause is mute. If a bidding war starts, which I belive it will, the price will be a top of the rotation starter......
by timeforachange on
Oct 17, 2006 10:17 AM CDT
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If A-Rod wants to go to all of these teams
by TC Cubby on
Oct 17, 2006 10:21 AM CDT
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Remember
by cubfaninSTL on
Oct 17, 2006 9:59 AM CDT
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He can demand it,
by Maddog on
Oct 17, 2006 10:17 AM CDT
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What makes.....
Here are some "options":
ARod for Oswalt?
ARod for Peavy?
ARod for Buerhle?
IMHO, it will be a straight up trade. I think Cashman has realized that pitching wins in the postseason. No way, no how does he give up on this kid.....
by timeforachange on
Oct 17, 2006 10:02 AM CDT
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I don't know,
by TC Cubby on
Oct 17, 2006 10:07 AM CDT
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The pressure...
There is no hole at 3b for the NYY. ARod had a "off" year. Still, his #'s were better than 99% of all MLB 3rd baseman.
I would love to have ARod play here, but I am realistic. They are not going to give him away.
Also, this deal with the Marlins that people are talking about... Please. What prospects do we have? Pie?
Our minor league system blows. Trades will be difficult, if not impossible because of this....
by timeforachange on
Oct 17, 2006 10:12 AM CDT
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The hole at third
by TC Cubby on
Oct 17, 2006 10:16 AM CDT
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I really....
As for Hughes, there is no way this happens....
by timeforachange on
Oct 17, 2006 10:33 AM CDT
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Hole at 3rd
by qccub on
Oct 18, 2006 7:53 AM CDT
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The problem with your thinking
by zambranofan on
Oct 17, 2006 9:44 AM CDT
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This could get done
Most of the pundits are saying Hughes will be in the Yankees rotation starting next year. They expect him to be good so prying him away would not be easy.
They are going to want a top of the line starter for ARod of course, but it all depends on how motivated they are to trade him and how much if any pressure he puts on them to be traded. If it turns ugly then we can get him without dealing Z. If it stays civil then they'd probably demand Z, and I don't see Hendry doing that.
So let's hope they start name calling and backstabing any day now. :)
by pageian on
Oct 17, 2006 12:15 PM CDT
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My guess
by davidalanu on
Oct 17, 2006 9:27 AM CDT
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by Cubs fan on
Oct 17, 2006 8:35 AM CDT
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This from the guy
by TC Cubby on
Oct 17, 2006 8:47 AM CDT
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I didn't "loathe" Gary Matthews.
by jamie on
Oct 17, 2006 8:36 AM CDT
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Three reasons to keep Matthews
- None of the other coaches rumored to be retained or hired by Piniella are African-American. It can help clubhouse relations to have some diversity in the coaching staff.
- His son is a free agent this year.
- He is the only one of the former coaches who was a popular Cub player at one time, and has a perspective on what the town, fans, media et al. are like when the team WINS.
by zambranofan on
Oct 17, 2006 9:02 AM CDT
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I can live with Matthews
by pageian on
Oct 17, 2006 9:16 AM CDT
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Definitely keep him
by danimal15 on
Oct 17, 2006 12:57 PM CDT
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Lou
by cubfaninSTL on
Oct 17, 2006 8:36 AM CDT
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The ARod talk
If ARam bolts what do we have that would pry ARod away from the Yankees? Z? Not worth it.
It would be nice if they had thought to mention a switching ARod back to short when they started this rumor. I guess they'd (Hendry, Piniella) would rather have Izturis be happy than ARam. God knows we need that defensive wizard at short.
Fwiw I've heard that ARod isn't in shape to play shortstop anymore. I have no idea if that's true but I can tell you the guy is a great athlete and works out as hard as anyone. If he were motivated to come here and play short I have no doubt he could do it.
by pageian on
Oct 17, 2006 8:40 AM CDT
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ARod
by cubfaninSTL on
Oct 17, 2006 8:44 AM CDT
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Yep
We'd probably be better off with Izturis there even though he can't hit because he's so good with the glove, right Mike?
by pageian on
Oct 17, 2006 8:49 AM CDT
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A-Rod
play Izturis at SS and bat him eight.
Now let's work on getting Soriano and Matsui......
Then we'll talk pitching....
"Life is just one crushing defeat after another until you just wish Flanders was dead."
by The Jade Scorpion on
Oct 17, 2006 9:00 AM CDT
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Blown opportunity.....
by timeforachange on
Oct 17, 2006 8:44 AM CDT
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It's spin
"say if the situation comes to pass Alex would you wanna play for me again if, I so happen to get another managerial job? Would you wave your no-trade clause?" "you would, great. BTW you need to loosen up a bit at the plate, you're pressing a little."
A-rod's coming to the Cubs and popular player will be traded.
Hang on people. This is going to get fun.
by Scott G F on
Oct 17, 2006 8:57 AM CDT
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by BlueMike on
Oct 17, 2006 9:01 AM CDT
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Compleatly agree
Now Hendry needs to build a team for him to run.
by Scott G F on
Oct 17, 2006 9:15 AM CDT
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by Peoria Matt on
Oct 17, 2006 8:54 AM CDT
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disagree
Indeed, what a clubhouse cancer. get rid of him immediately.
by dbt on
Oct 17, 2006 12:41 PM CDT
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Did you guys read
Eyre was attempting to disarm any conflict.
by Ihatethecards on
Oct 17, 2006 1:53 PM CDT
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Press conference...
by Maddog on
Oct 17, 2006 8:58 AM CDT
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I would also LOVE....
by BillHoldenFan on
Oct 17, 2006 9:33 AM CDT
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I doubt...
CSN will, and so will CLTV, and usually, press conferences of this nature wind up on ESPNews.
It ought to be streamed on the Cubs website, I imagine, along with WGN radio's website.
by Al on
Oct 17, 2006 9:40 AM CDT
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Thanks, Al.
by Maddog on
Oct 17, 2006 9:41 AM CDT
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Will do...
by Al on
Oct 17, 2006 10:12 AM CDT
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Last night on the WGN TV news
Kasey
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Oct 17, 2006 10:11 AM CDT
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Oct 17, 2006 10:17 AM CDT
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No direct tv
I hope Time Warner isn't reading this....
by Sarah Hope on
Oct 17, 2006 11:05 AM CDT
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I'm behind Lou Piniella
If there is one thing you can say about Lou, its that he suffers no fools. If a player (young or old) isn't very good or has an attitude or plays like a dog, then he won't be long for the Cubs.
Last night, I re-read a book that I first read over two decades ago, "The Bronx Zoo," authored by former Yankee relief pitcher Sparkly Lyle. The book recounts the tumulutous 1978 season for the Yankees, the year of the Bucky Dent home run and the Yankees beating the Dodgers in the World Series. Sweet Lou and Thurman Munson were the beloved emotional leaders of that great Yankee team. Lou was a leader then, and he is a leader now. If you've never read that book, I highly recoommend it. Outstanding (and hilarious) reading.
What concerns me most? Larry Rothschild back as pitching coach.
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MacPhail/Henry/Baker
All they things I'm reading today say Soriano is the leadoff hitter and CF .... not a very good
second baseman, worse LF and can't wait to see that side arm coming from CF.....
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Oct 17, 2006 8:58 AM CDT
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Oct 17, 2006 9:05 AM CDT
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Pierre
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Oct 17, 2006 9:19 AM CDT
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Agreed
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Oct 17, 2006 9:27 AM CDT
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pierre
by mike bornemann on
Oct 17, 2006 10:16 AM CDT
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What?!?
by TCobb1911 on
Oct 19, 2006 9:59 PM CDT
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He's not a good offensive player...
For Pierre to have value, he has to hit .326, as he did in 2004.
by Al on
Oct 20, 2006 10:58 AM CDT
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Quit Lying
by frustratedfan on
Oct 17, 2006 10:01 AM CDT
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Forget about metrics
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Oct 17, 2006 12:54 PM CDT
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I'm with you
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Oct 17, 2006 12:59 PM CDT
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3 assists
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Oct 17, 2006 2:39 PM CDT
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Gene Clines
On the other hand, I'd like to see Rothschild go far, far away.
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Oct 17, 2006 9:09 AM CDT
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Career years Vs. Good hitting teams
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Oct 17, 2006 9:24 AM CDT
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Is it really Piniella coming?
I just heard McDonough talking on the Mike North show. He was supposed to be talking about the playoffs. That's why he was booked in the first
place. Everytime that North changed the topic
to the Cubs Piniella said he didn't want to talk about it.
Could this all be just misdirection for the
Cubs to name the real manager in total suprise?
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Oct 17, 2006 9:27 AM CDT
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Sweet Lou
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Oct 17, 2006 9:56 AM CDT
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for what it's worth.
Good ol' Score Baseball expert and apparent Cub fan Demi-god Steve stone was on The Score and said that not only is Lou Pinella "One of the best talent evaluators in all of baseball" but also predicted "that Lou will have the Cubs in the World Series within two years"
So some of you either need to listen to Lord Stone's advice and realize that this is a really really good hire. (And while we're on it, will the people who keep saying we hired someone who's just like Dusty please stop talking? You're wrong! YOU ARE WRONG. He isn't anything like Dusty, he holds people accountable, he preaches fundamentals, he's a better jusge of talent, he doesn't hide behind his kid, He's won a world series, He's not black, the list goes on and on... he's nothing like Dusty....please let it go. )
Your other action would be to realize that Steve Stone is simply a man with an opinion and is vastly underqualified to be a GM, or manager or other job you have lined up for him in the Cub orginization.
by yahoodi on
Oct 17, 2006 10:04 AM CDT
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Interesting OBP Stat
- 16 of 16
- 11
- 11
- 13
- 12
- 6
- 10
- 14
- 6
- 12 of 14
- 13
- 9
- 11
- 8
- 11 of 12
- 9
- 10
Prediction: It ain't gonna get any better with Lou Piniella. This is a systemic problem.
by chasfh on
Oct 17, 2006 10:05 AM CDT
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To quote Larusa from today's Tribune:
So, everyone is outstanding and we can all pat ourselves on the backs and sit back and enjoy outstanding achievements in the field of excellence from the dugout...I give Pinella a chance, he's an upgrade over Baker for sure and reading Eyre's comments in the Tribune today was confirmation enough for me that Baker's stamp on this team was way too lax and to the point where it showed in very poor fundamental play...We don't need to pay $4 million per to have your friend's Uncle, who buy's beer for kids on the block manage a ballclub...I don't think we need a screamer either but that's what we have.
The Cubs have a hard time evaluating position players to draft because they are rely too heavily on things that are not significant contributors to being productive players...As long as that continues the farm system will struggle...The same way with choosing a manager, but this is not just the Cubs as it staggers me that these guys keep getting jobs at these salaries and there doesn't appear to be any objective criteria in making the choice (this is my complaint in general with baseball). The gravy train keeps rolling for insiders in this sport and the Cubs' management is driving the train.
Okay, all that said, congrats. to Pinella and I hope he can convince Hendry to get some talented pitchers and hitters for this roster. I hoped that Dusty did well when he was hired, although I was against the guy. One area that Pinella should excel at immediately is dealing with criticism and the media. This will be a welcome change.
Okay Hendry, you have your guy now get some players and let's make a run for the playoffs. Please note Jim that you must stop ignoring the importance of OBP in making up your roster, you must field a competent bench, and stop counting on Wood and Prior to give you anything, they were burned out under your watch and you have to live with that--but quit trying to bring them back from the dead to save your self.
Oh, and still replace Bob with Stoney regardless of whether Bob takes a managing job.
by DudeVf1 on
Oct 17, 2006 10:13 AM CDT
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That last...
by Al on
Oct 17, 2006 10:28 AM CDT
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I assume
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Oct 17, 2006 10:34 AM CDT
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According to Steve Lyons, he does
by cubbiejulie on
Oct 17, 2006 10:38 AM CDT
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spanish was his first language
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Oct 17, 2006 12:56 PM CDT
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oh wow
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Oct 17, 2006 12:58 PM CDT
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I want Steve X 2 in the booth
Now thats who I want to hear next year....
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Oct 17, 2006 11:38 AM CDT
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I will
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Oct 17, 2006 11:55 AM CDT
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Hendry
How many clichés can he spit out?
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Oct 17, 2006 11:59 AM CDT
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Wow
Let's hope that was just a slip of the tongue.
I like that he said he was a delegator--he'd better just get the right people to delegate to.
by Josh77 on
Oct 17, 2006 12:08 PM CDT
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Twice in one day
this morning.
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Oct 17, 2006 12:31 PM CDT
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Clogging the bases
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Oct 17, 2006 12:34 PM CDT
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The press
Lou is nervous as hell. He keeps turning the ring on his right hand. He also said his kids told him he should take this job and they are excited for him.
Does he always have a shiny complection or is he sweating like hell?
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Oct 17, 2006 12:10 PM CDT
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It's official
I now propose we call him "Rasputin."
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Oct 17, 2006 12:11 PM CDT
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Larry
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I wish Rothschild was gone
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Oct 17, 2006 12:36 PM CDT
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Just asked the OBP question........
by Peoria Matt on
Oct 17, 2006 12:13 PM CDT
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He'll occasionally
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Oct 17, 2006 12:28 PM CDT
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And draw nothing but walks...
Dusty on the other hand, would have them hacking.
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Oct 17, 2006 12:35 PM CDT
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The man is not
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Recap
1) Family Guy
According to Sweet Lou, when the Cubs job became available it was his kids that got him interested in taking on the franchise. They expressed that it would be a "great opportunity" for him and said that they looked forward to coming to Wrigley and "watching the Cubs win". Erg.....
2) "We're gonna win here"
Lou said that Jim promised to put a great team in front of him because "this organization wants to win." Obligatory promise, obligatory answer.
3) "I'm a delegator"
Avoiding the coaching questions, he danced around stating who he was looking at for his coaching staff
4) Yankees fluff
Piniella said that he was never approached about the Yanks job, nor does he know where the rumors about acquiring ARod came from.
5) Building a team
"Obviously, we're going to have to add a few". He then cited the example of the Tigers quick turnaround as one to emulate. Then, for kicks, added "look at what the guys on the North Side did a few years ago". A few seconds went by and then, "South side, south side, that's right..."
6) Wood and Prior
"when they're physically hurt, it makes [winning] that much harder. Hopefully they will both be healthy."
7) So, based on that delusional statement, a reporter asked the obvious question. His answer? "Noo no no. There's no curses!!"
As if his behavior didn't already SCREAM of manic/depression.
8) Larry Rothschild
Lou sang this weapon of mass destruction's praises. "I was the one that brought him up to the big leagues". He went on about how "great" Larry is and then stated, "Yeah, we're gonna keep him."
by Sarah Hope on
Oct 17, 2006 12:22 PM CDT
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This is a good summary...
Great. It'll make for good television, but not necessarily good baseball.
I'm appalled that Rothschild is returning, because IMO he was responsible for a lot of the disaster that was the 2006 pitching staff.
I agree, Lou seemed VERY nervous.
by Al on
Oct 17, 2006 12:45 PM CDT
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disagree
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Oct 17, 2006 12:54 PM CDT
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oh god
by cashcowsquirtingsourmilk on
Oct 17, 2006 12:59 PM CDT
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I'd have been...
What's he going to do, yell at Rothschild?
by Al on
Oct 17, 2006 12:59 PM CDT
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maybe he will "yell" at rothschild
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Oct 17, 2006 1:07 PM CDT
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Here...
The Reds were in the middle of the pack in walks allowed in 1990 and 1991 -- but second MOST allowed in 1992.
That, of course, was before Rothschild was "Dustyfied".
by Al on
Oct 17, 2006 1:16 PM CDT
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Sounds like a James Brown term
by Sarah Hope on
Oct 17, 2006 1:25 PM CDT
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Quote about walks from Lou...
They had some young pitching that had some talent," Piniella said. "At the same time, they walked a lot of people and in a ballpark like Wrigley, walks score. When young pitchers walk a lot of hitters and they strike out a lot of hitters, there are going to be some foul balls, so basically you're talking about a pitch count in the low 100s by the sixth inning, so you're pitching with three innings in your bullpen all the time."
That being said, I'm not sure how that's going to change while keeping the same pitching coach, but at least someone mentioned the obvious- the walks killed this pitching staff last year.
Also, how much of that is attributable to the pitching coach and how much of a factor is it that we had a swinging door of minor leaguers come up?
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Oct 17, 2006 6:55 PM CDT
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Who cares?
Who the heck cares how he handles a press conference? This guy is here to win games for the Cubs, not some infomercial carnival barker.
Let's let Lou do his talking on the field. Press conferences for sports guys are almost always nothing more than the recitation of cliche after cliche anyways.
by salparadise23 on
Oct 17, 2006 1:00 PM CDT
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the good baseball will come
Lou in his press conference said point blank that he was just a small piece of this and it's the players that win titles.
Jim Hendry, it's all on you now. Go do your job.
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Oct 17, 2006 1:02 PM CDT
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Well...I agree to a point...
Witness the Oakland A's. It has just come out, following Ken Macha's dismissal, that basically the whole team couldn't stand the manager. Over the last few months a lot of reporters have indicated that they've gotten a bad vibe in the locker room of the A's. Yet the team was winning and in first place. However, it isn't hard to imagine that the team would have been more motivated or excited about winning in the playoffs if they weren't at war with the manager.
So yes, better players is a key part of solving the puzzle, but the thought that any human being who follows the moneyball formula for success will be successful is just wrong. Since humans are involved and not computers, it takes more than that.
by SiValleyCubFan on
Oct 17, 2006 3:56 PM CDT
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I will go out on a limb
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Oct 17, 2006 11:23 PM CDT
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Bravo
by cubboy89 on
Oct 18, 2006 2:08 PM CDT
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"Delegator?"
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Oct 17, 2006 12:24 PM CDT
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My thoughts exactly
Did he have the "My Pet Goat" book too?
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Oct 17, 2006 12:46 PM CDT
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I missed some of it
Also, Julie gave me more truffles.
by Sarah Hope on
Oct 17, 2006 12:25 PM CDT
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Jim Hendry
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nah
by Faith plus 1 on
Oct 17, 2006 12:39 PM CDT
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Many, many are "less articulate".
How long have you been following the game Jamie?
Ever hear Jim Thome speak?
The game is not full of PhD's in English "Jamie".
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Oct 17, 2006 3:23 PM CDT
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Who Cares?
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Why I think ARod will be a Cub, and soon
- A Rod is a not likely going to want to go through a winter of A Rod trade rumors again. When he left Texas, he could paint it as "I'm tired of losing" & "I hate playing for a manager who is generally regarded as a jackass." This time around, it wouldn't be pretty, basically it would be similar to the Sosa trade debacle, a celebrity player getting dragged through the mud as a team looks to trade him . There is no way he goes through an entire winter of gettign dragged through the slop when he's in control.
- So... Scott Boras will step in and help to negotiate a trade, ala Maddux for Izturis. This will be a highly directed affair, with a particular team (possibly, but not necessarily, the Cubs) the focus, that will happen quietly and under the radar.
- I wouldn't be surprised if Hendry approached Ramirez before he opts out, and says "Hey, we'd love to have you in Chicago, but we could also facilitate a trade to NY, and you can negotiate with the Yankees" For the Cubs, this obviously lands them A Rod, for the Yankees, this means a smaller loss at 3B than they could otherwise hope for if they lose A Rod, A Rod gets out of NY and doesn't have a full winter of NYDN back pages, A Ram would get more $$ than if he resigned with the Cubs.
Who knows, maybe Aramis has no desire to play in NY, but that to me is the only reasonable way I see A Rod in blue pinstripes next year.
by WGNstatic on
Oct 17, 2006 12:38 PM CDT
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unless you saw the entire press conference...
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Oct 17, 2006 12:47 PM CDT
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Oh, yeah.
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Oct 17, 2006 12:51 PM CDT
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i don't know about you
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I just found myself
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i think I need
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I think I could channel this intensity
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it's all relative
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Did not watch it
But as a fan I was looking for some specific things:
What kind of team will you give me?
What are you going to do differently than Dusty?
Are you retarded or did you just say Larry Rothschild was staying?
Why should the fans be behind you?
The press conference was piss poor and did nothing to make the fans feel any more comfortable with him at the helm. If that was his aim? Well, count that as his first loss.
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speaking for all us huh?
All that stuttering made me feel like I was with grandpa again, especially when Unkie Lou made the midget reference.
All I needed to hear was some thick coughing and the occasional, "now what was I saying?" and I'd have burst into happy tears.
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Ah yes.
A manager that likes Chicago.... and the bleacher bums..... and the.......ivy...
Wow. I'm all set!
by Sarah Hope on
Oct 17, 2006 1:07 PM CDT
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then blame the reporters
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I thought
He answered all your questions.
- He said his team will be fundamentally sound, disciplined and will hustle. He tried hard not to be ciritical of Dusty and his staff, but he also implied that this would represent a change from last year.
- See #1
- He praised Rothschild profusely and did indeed say he would be retaining him. Since Lou Piniella has actually worked with Larry Rothschild and you haven't, I am more impressed with his evaluation of his abilities as a pitching coach than yours.
- This is a goofy question. If you are a Cubs fan, you should be behind the Cubs...and whoever the manager is. If you don't like Piniella, that is your choice, but he is now the manager.
As has been posted many times on here, a much more significant issue is what player moves are made this off-season.
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Oct 17, 2006 1:34 PM CDT
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See, now here we go again....
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Oct 17, 2006 11:31 PM CDT
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Another petty but funny thing
Umm.... what are you letting your kids do?
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stand in
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I meant more like
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He's spanish,
-as told to MB from Steve Lyons.
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Steve Lyons-esque
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and being bi-lingual
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yeeeeaaaahh.....
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I'd like to see better jokes
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twentysomethings ARE young
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dude, it was just
Yes, i'm sure he meant from his perch at 63 that 20 somethings are young.
To me, as a 24 year old, I hear young kids, I see Tweens
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FWIW...
by Al on
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Yes
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Hey now,
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great signature...
midgets
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Midgets
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Last time.
And repeating it over and over is SO sixth grade. Knock it off. NOW.
by Al on
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Do I have to change my sig?
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please keep it sarah...
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yours inspired me
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Well, let the record show
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What?!?
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I know...neither did I!
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grow up AL
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Something else
The first guy that read an injury report that said "so and so is day to day" and then added, "hey, we are all day to day", got it right.
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Damn.
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Just as you were wrong...
"Piniella, as has been discussed at length here, is a very, very similar manager to Dusty Baker in terms of how he approaches lineup construction, use of young players, and use and abuse of starting pitchers and bullpens."
I disagree - he holds people accountable(unlike Dusty), AND, he balances great preparation with instincts.
I suppose the only way you'd be truly satisfied is if Girardi was hired as manager, Stone & Grace in the booth, Sandberg as bench coach, Billy Williams as hitting instructor, and Andy Pafko as First Base coach. Only ex-Cubs need apply for any position, because, "They get It".
Do they also "get" the losing?
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Actually...
Yes, Girardi "gets" the Cubs. A guy in that position can set the tone for the entire staff. Does that mean I'd want all those guys in the positions you mention? Hell no.
I'd love to be wrong about Piniella, and yes, I'm perfectly willing to give him some slack... but not as much as I gave Baylor and Baker. Twice bitten, more than twice shy.
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O.K. - I'm on board...
When you guys crash the Management meeting at the Convention, I'm looking forward to your reports on how player acquisition will be done to support Lou (if you can deduce anything from the "panel"). And, how to avoid adding more "Stiffs" to the team!
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Hopefully..
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the moves better be done by then...
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the funny thing Al,
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You know what?
I'll be glad to admit I was wrong. As I said in the main post, I'm perfectly willing to cut him some slack. He wasn't my choice, but since he's here now, I'll wait and see what actually happens before I criticize further.
Fair enough?
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when can they start
Thanks its a great dream
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Lou Piniella will be just fine
The sabermetrician geeks and the "play the kids regardless if they're are good or not crowd" are just gunning for a fight. What you will find in Sweet Lou, unlike Dusty, is a manager who doesn't give a rip what people have to say concerning his managerial philosophies.
Let Sweet Lou have a crack at this thing. If Hendry actually gets him some players and Mark Prior can get over his three year bout of vaginitis, then this might be an entertaining and decent ballclub in 2007.
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I agree...
midgets
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If I buy you
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Someone, someday....
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Let the Record Show...
But he wisely recanted this statement.
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I did...
Acceptance is far better than vomit.
In fact, I'm totally on board now after MIDGETS AND the video with Lou chucking first base across the field.
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"I havn't vomited since June 29, 1980."
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2.77 Years...
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I've deleted
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why?
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Thank you.
BTW, Josh, there's a typo in your sig.
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Yes,
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Question about possible ARod trade
Just wondering about your
opinions out there.
Who (and how many) do you think the Yankees
would ask for in return for
Rodriguez ??
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Ladies and Gentlemen, YOUR 2007 Chicago Cubs!
CF - Tattoo
SS - Mini Me
1B - Doc
3B - Dopey
LF - Sneezy
RF - Happy
C - Mayor of Munchkinland
2B - Steve Cauthen
P - C. Zambrano
by Goat Whisperer on
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You're gonna be in big trouble buddy...
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Why keep Z?
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Oct 17, 2006 4:22 PM CDT
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You forgot Augie Ojeda
he and Bill Veeck are smiling
( sorry kids on blog that won't mean anything to you)
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What's this?
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Al, can you be a little more hyperbolic?
I think this is way, way off. Baker was in a league of his own when it came to strategy and love of veterans. Piniella is pretty much your typical manager when it comes to most tendencies. If he has a fault in terms of field decisions, it's predictability.
David Geiser
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1969 Rookie of the Year
Royals in 1969. He hit 11 home runs
that year.
One of them was hit off Denny McLain.
Just thought some of you would want to
know that interesting tidbit.....lol
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Yes, but...
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Cubs have backbone now!
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The first domino has fallen
As for the comments about shiny happy Pinniella during the PC. The dungeon in Wrigley is hot and very stagnent. Give him a break.
by Scott G F on
Oct 17, 2006 3:25 PM CDT
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Bernie's
and Piniella and a few others outside Wrigley
Field.
They were crossing the street on Clark
near Waveland heading right towards
Bernie's.
Wonder if they stopped for a beer ??
by quarryfan on
Oct 17, 2006 3:31 PM CDT
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Offseason gameplan
- Re-sign Juan Pierre to play CF
- Re-sign Aramis Ramirez to play 3rd
- Sign Alfonso Soriano to a $90 million deal to play LF
- Sign Ray Durham to play 2nd
- Sign either Ted Lilly or Gil Meche for the starting rotation
- Trade Matt Murton and Felix Pie for pitching
- Pierre - CF
- Durham - 2nd
- Soriano - LF
- Lee - 1st
- Jones - RF
- Ramirez - 3rd
- Barrett - Cat
- Izturis - SS
by BlueMike on
Oct 17, 2006 3:46 PM CDT
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I don't think Pierre is staying
by cashcowsquirtingsourmilk on
Oct 17, 2006 4:05 PM CDT
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Line up
I would like to see maybe Barrett, Jones and some pitching to Toronto for Vernon Wells and another player.
Barrett is a good hitter, but is a sieve behind the plate. I feel Henry Blanco on a regular basis would be an upgrade. You lose some offense, but he can keep in check a running game, handle a pitching staff, and, play defense behind the plate. I think Wells for Barrret, you gain a little offense and better defense behind the plate and in CF. Wells could cover a multitude of sins by the corner outfielders.
I would like to find a good solid infielder, but give Theriot the chance to play second. I think Murton is a keeper. If he could hit .297 with our batting coaches, think what he could do with a competent hitting coach. His arm couldn't be any worse than Jones' arm is.
That leads to a lineup like so:
Theriot 2B
Soriano LF
Wells CF
Lee 1B
Ramirez 3B
Murton/? RF
Izturis SS
Blanco C
Pitcher
You could get 40 HRs from Soriano, Wells, Lee, and Ramirez. Add another 20 or so from Murton and this could be a potent offense.
Now, if we can get some pitching.
by cubfred on
Oct 17, 2006 8:34 PM CDT
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Hendry on XM
by 3fingerbrown on
Oct 17, 2006 5:13 PM CDT
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I'm just glad
by jazzman56 on
Oct 17, 2006 6:15 PM CDT
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Durocher
by cashcowsquirtingsourmilk on
Oct 17, 2006 6:35 PM CDT
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I remember Durocher
Actually, Duroucher got a bit of flack that year b/c he visitied his daughter (or maybe grandaughter) who was also at an overnight camp in Wisc.. He just took a couple days off in the summer!
by TheEman on
Oct 17, 2006 10:44 PM CDT
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Prior will not be traded
by TR on
Oct 17, 2006 5:22 PM CDT
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Maybe he could be...
by Al on
Oct 17, 2006 7:09 PM CDT
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Poor Q's by press corps
What have you identified as Cubs' biggest needs to improve--pitching, offense, outfield, can you be specific??
Surely he must've got into with Hendry how he feels about:
*Pierre as CF
*A-Ram
*middle INF of Izturis-Cedeno
*Barrett
*Jones-Murton as corner OF
not to mention the pitchers!! Doubt Pinella has strong feelings on any of the youngsters but will want to build around Big Z.
by writerinwrigley on
Oct 17, 2006 5:42 PM CDT
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OK, I just got home from working all day.
I don't know if Piniella will be good or bad. He's got a good track record (obviously). He's not a Sabremetrics kind of guy (which I lean to, but don't).
But he's obviously a big league coach. I'm not going to get too upset about what happens for awhile. In fact, I'm going to do what I can to not get upset for another 3 years.
That said, it seems we've got 2 choices here.
- Try and push for a massive change and build a winning team now and go for the gold in 2007.
- Don't blow things up and build for the future.
So bet on #2 and if you're lucky, you might just end up with #1.
In that case, why get rid of ARam and Z for ARod. Get rid of a good 3rd baseman who can hit and you're only ace for a good 3rd baseman who can hit? That seems really stupid. For that matter, trading ARam for ARod seems pretty much a wash. I don't think ARod would add that much more to the team. Maybe he would, but I just don't think so.
So where are we? Do we trade Z for ARod at SS? That also seems stupid. You're only ace for a SS? Nope.
None of those decisions make sense if you're trying to build for the future, unless you get some really good AAA pitchers in the deal. And I don't see that happening. Even then...
Getting ARod would be nice. A good hitting SS would be super sweet. I just don't know what we have to offer the Yankees. Now they may just want to get rid of him. And I suspect he doesn't want to be there anymore. Maybe we can get a sweet deal out of it. He wouldn't be super expensive either way.
But getting rid of Z and ARam for ARod doesn't work form my scenario #2 and it certainly doesn't work for scenario #1.
Something else has to happen. I'm not saying it won't. But I just don't like the possibilities that have been tossed around.
phat
by phatass on
Oct 17, 2006 11:52 PM CDT
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I'm going to reply to myself here
What do the Yankees need?
I don't quite know, but I understand they need starting pitching.
What do the Cubs need? Well, I think we need another big bat and more starting pitching.
The only way to satisfy both teams would likely be a multi-team trade, I think. Maybe some AAA action. I don't know what kind of prospects the Yankees have, but it doesn't seem to make sense to go for prospects and ARod for proven players like Z and ARam.
phat
by phatass on
Oct 17, 2006 11:59 PM CDT
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And one more thing
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by phatass on
Oct 18, 2006 12:02 AM CDT
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