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The Piniella Era Begins


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First, as we did with the Dusty Baker press conference two weeks ago, I ask that you keep all the Piniella-hiring commentary here, rather than start a dozen different diaries on this topic.

The press conference announcing the hiring of Lou Piniella as the 56th manager (including the College of Coaches and a number of interim guys) in the history of the Chicago Cubs begins at noon CT today. I assume it'll be streamed somewhere, likely at cubs.com.

Will we see more scenes like the one in the photo above? Or has Piniella's year off of managing -- the only year he's spent out of a dugout in 43 years -- mellowed him?

This blog didn't exist in October 1999 or November 2002 (I started my old blog in January 2003), but if it had, I would have been singing the praises of Don Baylor and Dusty Baker when they were hired.

Both were "proven winners" -- Baylor had brought the Rockies to the playoffs in their third season, and had three winning seasons in his six years at Colorado, unprecedented for an expansion team. Baker had just finished bringing the Giants to the World Series (though in the minds of some, blowing it by his moves and non-moves), and had had six consecutive winning seasons.

As you know, neither of those hires worked out very well, and Baylor hasn't managed since he left the Cubs, and I suspect Baker won't, either.

Piniella arrives here with a similar reputation, though a longer career (nineteen managerial seasons, compared to six for Baylor and ten for Baker when they were hired by the Cubs), and a similar record -- four playoff appearances, one World Series, but one thing that no Cub manager (save Joe Altobelli, who had one interim game in between Don Zimmer and Jim Essian in 1991) has had since Leo Durocher -- a World Championship. As I wrote yesterday, Durocher and Piniella have similar reputations -- the hothead, tough guy manager. Does that sort of thing work in 2006 the way it did in 1966? Durocher said, memorably, when hired, "I am not the manager of an eighth-place team" (where the Cubs finished in 1965). The joke, of course, was that he was right -- they finished tenth in 1966. But that team had three future Hall of Famers. The 2006 Cubs, well, didn't.

Piniella, as has been discussed at length here, is a very, very similar manager to Dusty Baker in terms of how he approaches lineup construction, use of young players, and use and abuse of starting pitchers and bullpens. I'm also taken aback by the rumors that have already begun, the rumors that as many as three of the coaches we loathed so much in 2006 (Larry Rothschild, Gene Clines and Gary Matthews) may be retained by Piniella.

This is the old-crony network at its very worst. I don't have to tell you that a good portion of the Cubs' failures were due to the failures of those three men to do good jobs. I'd like to think that Piniella would bring along some of the people who have helped him to his success, or some up-and-coming younger men like Pat Listach.

So color me very, very skeptical about Piniella. I don't see him as a savior, and I don't care that he's likely going to give us a good TV show with his occasional on-field tirades. Those don't make you a winner.

The bottom line is, Jim Hendry has to go out and improve the National League's worst team by getting better players. It was said that players wanted to come to Chicago to play for Dusty Baker. That proved not to be true. If, as has been speculated and rumored, Piniella could be an influence in getting Alex Rodriguez to waive his no-trade clause and agree to a trade to the Cubs, AND Aramis Ramirez could be retained, AND the payroll expanded to $120 million -- well, then maybe we'd be talking.

I'm not going to start out bashing Piniella -- what's the point of that? I'm willing to give the guy a chance. Show me, Lou. Show me that YOU are the guy who can do what all the others since 1945 have failed to do -- bring the Cubs to the World Series. Show me that YOU are the guy who can do what all the others since 1908 have failed to do -- get the Cubs to WIN the World Series.

If you can do that, they'll be building statues to you here in Chicago.

UPDATE [2006-10-17 10:15:15 by Al]: The press conference should be available streamed live here, and also here, beginning at noon CT.

Discuss amongst yourselves!

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Piniella!
eat me catuli!

by theprognosticator on Oct 17, 2006 4:20 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

How about this?
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eat me catuli!

by theprognosticator on Oct 17, 2006 4:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Um...
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by Al on Oct 17, 2006 8:08 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Still getting nothing?
All right, once last try, stop me if you've heard this one before:

A rabbi, a priest, and a minister walk into a bar. The rabbi looks at the priest and says:

"PINIELLA!"

eat me catuli!

by theprognosticator on Oct 17, 2006 4:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not sure
what a joke with the punch line of "PINIELLA" would be exactly, but wouldn't it have to include, at a minimum, a great female jazz singer involved in a wrestling match?

by zambranofan on Oct 17, 2006 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LMFAO
It just got better.....Dr. Pepper on the ground, I got man love for you progs.
"I respect the mind's power over the body, it's why I do what I do" - Dr. Jonathan Crane

by Faith plus 1 on Oct 17, 2006 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Besides
the very obvious fact that we all need to rally around our new leader, how about we just see what this guy has to offer. He's a World Series winning manager that is already thinking about the team improving in a dramatic way:
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2628823

ARod speculation aside, we are all getting what we've been screaming for from time immemorial: a stated goal of winning the WS and doing whatever it takes to do so.

 Let's stop complaining and appreciate that this man is gonna bust his rear to make us happy.

by Matt Allison on Oct 17, 2006 4:50 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm willing...
... to give him a chance, sure. It's just that having been burned by the "winners" who came here twice in recent years, I'm a bit skeptical.

Incidentally, I'd expect the Cubs to go hard after Freddy Garcia now, since he played for many years for Piniella.

by Al on Oct 17, 2006 8:10 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Discussing and speculating among thy 'selves
Piniella comes with all sorts of knowledge, baggage and competitiveness.

That said what would it take the Cubs to trade in kind for A-Rod especially if the speculation includes the idea that ARam is kept.

As Al discusses Lou can't do squat without talent, Tampa Bay stated that. So would having A-Rod who probably would return closer to his career numbers in production make an impact.

Yes. At what price? Zambrano, (with one year left and a possible FA offing, not certain and not good for the Cubs who are now pitching short.) But A-rod holds the cards, he is guaranteed $95M no trade...meaning no ChiSox, no Nat's, no whomever....So without a clean exchange of Aram for ARod what else would the NYY want? Pitching? of course, Zam, possibly but what about a package that includes Prior along with Dempster, the upside for NYY is that if Prior does eventually heal they got 2 years on arbitration and a genuine arm. Let's throw in Jones (in that Sheffield & Williams will be gone). Okay, Prior, Dempster, Jones for A-Rod and you got a deal. Sounds lite if they are interested in Izturis or Moore throw them in too

Soriano is an interesting proposition in CF and leadoff where the Cubs could offer the best $$.

RF can be solved with Trot Nixon.

Pitching will be the issue. If we keep Zam, Hill & Marshall are 4th and 5th starters who are the 2 and 3, more FA, one from Japan and Schmidt?

Bill Veeck planted Ivy during 'The Depression', and over time the Ivy Walls has become the most distinct symbol of Wrigley Field.

by Ivy Walls on Oct 17, 2006 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No offense
but your proposed trades are always ludicrous and illogical.

You don't get clubs to part with top tier, proven players by throwing multiple lower tier players at them, unless it is a big time salary dump.

I have been reading your trade speculations for three years now and none of them has even come close to coming to pass.

 You aren't going to get A-Rod for Dempster (coming off a bad year), Prior (huge question mark coming off injury), and Jones (many liabilities).  You could throw in Cendeno and Pie and it still won't happen.

If you want A-Rod (I'm not sure I do, but that is another story), you are going to have to give up somebody with some proven value.  END OF STORY.

by jazzman56 on Oct 17, 2006 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I believe A-Rod
is owed $16 mil/year (by the yankees) for the next 4 years. the cubs wouldn't have to pay $95 mil. Texas is still paying part of his salary.

by cashcowsquirtingsourmilk on Oct 17, 2006 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey I am all about
giving Lou a fair shot. Hell, been a fan long enough. But you know my humor runs out, show me the players Jim Hendry, and Lou get the freaking job done.
All this rumor talk of A-Rod, Soriano, C. Lee, and Schimdt ( according to the Sun Times ) well put a end to the speculation and get two of these pieces.
We will see won't we.
Throw out your Gold Teeth and see how they Roll

by Johnny Callison was a Cub on Oct 17, 2006 5:15 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Does anyone know
how Piniella's teams have ranked in OBP in the past?

I'm prepared to forgive any sins he may commit as long as the team OBP takes a big leap next year.

by MadHatterBlues on Oct 17, 2006 5:49 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Unless Hendry falls out of love....
with the Neifis, Cesars, and Ronnies of the world, don't expect an increase in the Cubs OBP. See, Hendry is a "baseball guy". "Baseball guys" hire other "baseball guys". "Baseball guys" have no use for stat geeks. If Cesar Izturis had a good half season a few years ago, (before he sustained a serious arm injury, BTW) and received some all star talk, then for a "baseball guy" that means he should be your starting shortstop, OBP be damned.  "Baseball guys" like to run things by the seat of their pants.

BTW, the term is not limited to men. I think Carrie Muskat is a "baseball guy" as well.

by perseman on Oct 17, 2006 8:04 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My question is, then...
... did Hendry choose those guys because he likes that sort of player? Or was that Baker's influence?

by Al on Oct 17, 2006 8:09 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

For the love of God
will people give the Dusty-bashing a rest.  I still can't believe I'm reading that Hendry was simply carrying out the orders of Dusty in terms of player acquisition.  I'm shocked I haven't read one of you make the argument that Dusty is the reason why Piniella was hired !!

Hendry IS the GM.  Hendry HAS BEEN and IS responsible for roster construction.  

by BlueMike on Oct 17, 2006 8:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Point is...
... Hendry wasn't acquiring the Goodwins, Harrises, Neifis, and Bynums of the baseball world before Baker came on board.

by Al on Oct 17, 2006 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here you go...
Piniella's team ranks in OBP

In Tampa (ranked 12, 13, 14 the 3 years prior to him becoming manager):

  1.  6
  2.  14
  3.  12
In Seattle (ranked 4, 8, 9 in 3 years prior to taking over):
  1.  2
  2.  1
  3.  2
  4.  9
  5.  6
  6.  3
  7.  2
  8.  6
  9.  9
  10.  6
He finished in the top 3 five times in 10 years.  Only twice was he in the bottom half of the league.  

In Cincy (ranked 6, 8, 9 previous 3 years before taking over):
  1.  1
  2.  5
  3.  4
In NYY (ranked 4, 3, 2 previous 3 years before taking over):
  1.  3
  2.  4
  3.  1
--------------------------------

Clearly, Piniella's teams have shown improvement over his tenure in on-base skills and his teams usually rank in the upper third and almost always in the upper half.

by Maddog on Oct 17, 2006 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

thanks Maddog
This is actually encouraging to me. If Piniella stops the free-swinging/hack and slash approach to hitting, then we'll at least be moving in the right direction.

Hendry was/is responsible for who was playing, but Baker was responsible for how they played.

by MadHatterBlues on Oct 17, 2006 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

While some of the comments
on Pinella favoring veterans and tough on pitchers are possibly true.  I don't see anything that makes me think that Pinella doesn't like walks.  As long as he doesn't use the word "clog" in today's press conference that will be a good start.  

by rlpete on Oct 17, 2006 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rebuttal
How does a manager single-handedly "stop the free swinging" nature of this current roster?  This is example yet again of how Cub fans notoriously overvalue the role the manager plays.  Piniella WILL have an influence on the hitting approach, but he can't turn born hacks into on-base machines.  Jim Hendry needs to supply the appropriate talent to accomplish that.  

by BlueMike on Oct 17, 2006 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

go fondle
your Izturis dolls.
"I respect the mind's power over the body, it's why I do what I do" - Dr. Jonathan Crane

by Faith plus 1 on Oct 17, 2006 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

lmao
Go Hawkeyes...Beat Michigan!!!

by sue369 on Oct 17, 2006 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He could start by
Actually instructing the hitters on the philosophy of hitting and what makes for a quality at bat. Talk to them about hitting in hitters counts and educating themselves on the opposing pitchers, so that they know what pitches might be thrown and what the pitcher typically starts with or throws when he's in trouble.

It's really not that difficult a concept, Mike, and if the manager of the team can't impart that philosophy to his players and can't get them to buy into changing unsuccessful strategies, then he has no business being a manager of a big league team.

Not all of that falls to just the manager, but he's hiring his own coaches as a means to this end.

Harp on Hendry as much as you want, but someone somewhere along the way taught talented players to be selective with what they swing at (Vlad being the obvious exception to this rule). If Lou can't be a teacher, then he has no business being part of the Cubs.

by Scott on Oct 17, 2006 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm....I'm excited
n/t
"I respect the mind's power over the body, it's why I do what I do" - Dr. Jonathan Crane

by Faith plus 1 on Oct 17, 2006 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't expect "pet players"
There were "Baker's guys". Is there Piniella's guys as well? Did the free agents flock to Tampa to be with Piniella? We all know that answer.

The believe that Piniella is a dynamic manager. I honestly don't expect him to go though the "bull in a china shop" contortions that many fans want. I get the feeling that between him and Hendry they'll make some shrewed moves when assessing players and bring in some winners.

I'm interested in how this manager and Mark Prior will interact. My gut feeling is Mark Prior will thrive under Lou Piniella. The same goes for Wood. I don't see J. Jones in RF for long, that is unless Lou gets J. Jones to hit the cut-off-man consistantly. J. Jones could benefit from Lou.

Am Ram could be the biggest benefactor of the Lou sigining. I have alway seen A-Ram as a MVP, Manny Ramirez type player, but only surounded by 1 or 2 players better then him. Am Ram is not a leader, but give him a role to play and I believe you'll get the best out of him.

D Lee will be D Lee...Joe cool!

I like that Hendry picked Lou Piniella.

So now shut up and win.

You're never a loser untill you quit trying - FortuneCookie

by Scott G F on Oct 17, 2006 8:27 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The Answer Is
Please, oh please please pretty please let it be Dusty's influence. Puleeze, please, please, pretty please with sugar on top, puleeeeeeze.

by Luigi on Oct 17, 2006 8:27 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Let me see if I've got this straight......
We changed on big-reputation manager for another big-reputation manager with a nearly identical syle of managing.  We might keep our pitching and hitting coaches from last seasons disaster, and now we're talking about trading for ARod.  According to ESPN the deal "might" include Ramirez and ALSO a quality starting pitcher.  So we'd be trading our .291/38/119 third baseman for their .290/35/121 third baseman and we'd throw in a quality starting pitcher to boot.  

I'm sorry, I don't see how any of this is a net gain for us.

"Let's get ARod" sure sounds a lot like "Why not us?" to me.

by pageian on Oct 17, 2006 8:35 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

the Cubs would play
A-Rod at short and get a different third baseman in your scenario.
One day, the dream will come true.

by brianp88 on Oct 17, 2006 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Different third baseman?
As good as ARam?

Nope.

Still not a net gain.

by pageian on Oct 17, 2006 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually
That's assuming it's Aramis and A-Rod. Swapping one for the other makes a slight net gain. The real gain would be whoever plays third over Izturis, who would be displaced from SS by A-Rod. And I think we can agree that most of the FA third basemen can wield a better stick than Izturis.

by Perkins on Oct 17, 2006 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So essentially
Getting A-Rod would be a huge net gain.

by Perkins on Oct 17, 2006 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

that can't happen anyway, can it?
You can't sign a player then trade him before the season begins.  I don't know how re-signing contracts work.  Does anyone?

by cubfaninSTL on Oct 17, 2006 8:41 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good point
I did not consider that.  Apparently ESPN didn't either.  Isn't it something like you can't trade a guy until after the first two months of the season if he just signed as a free agent?  Would Ramirez qualify since he was on the team the previous season?

by pageian on Oct 17, 2006 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That
would be the million dollar question.

by cubfaninSTL on Oct 17, 2006 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Unless...
... Ramirez exercises his option to leave, he would not be a free agent. Now, if he did so and then was re-signed by the Cubs, he could not be traded (at least not right away).

I'm not certain what the rules would say if he were signed to an extension BEFORE declaring free agency.

In any case, I'd like to see him kept AND acquire A-Rod.

by Al on Oct 17, 2006 8:56 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes
Keeping ARam while acquiring ARod is the only situation that makes sense.  Letting ARam get away, no matter how, just so you can fill his place with a slightly better, more expensive player isn't smart.

by pageian on Oct 17, 2006 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yabut...
I hear NY is going for a win now philosphy, so we would need to give a significant major league talent, and I don't see what that could be outside of A Ram.  

Wheter A Rod over A Ram is enough improvement, that is debatable.  One thing to consider.  How will A Ram respond to Lou, and we know that A Rod and Lou are close, so it is at least reasonable to consider that A Rod might improve under Lou.

Eamus Ursuli!

by WGNstatic on Oct 17, 2006 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Unless....
you are willing to include BigZ in any trade, the Cubs simply do not have the talent to get this trade done.  The NYY, if you believe the national media, want a "qualtity" start pitcher.  Who on the Cubs fits this description?
he hath no fury like a cubs fan scorned

by timeforachange on Oct 17, 2006 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's speculation
that Ramirez would be included in the deal.

First of all, if Ramirez thinks he'll be traded, he'll not re-sign with the Cubs.  The guy on ESPN that wrote that is clearly on drugs.  

by Maddog on Oct 17, 2006 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Was he getting his information
from the LSD or from a source inside the Cubs?  Maybe he made the stuff up, in fact probably.  I'd like to know where the information came from though, speculation on the writers part or name dropping from the Cubs?  Are the floating the idea like they've done other ideas in the past?  Are they letting their true intentions be known?  We should have known that Piniella would be hired just based on what we where hearing the past few weeks.  Is it the same situation here?

by pageian on Oct 17, 2006 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's safe
to say that Ramirez is not going to be traded to the Yankees.  If Ramirez felt that could happen, he'd simply negotiate a contract with the Yankees and not the Cubs.  Also, if he declares for free agency, as expected, and then signs a new contract, he couldn't be traded until June 15th unless he gave his permission.

Personally, I think it was some author thinking of a player who may be comparable and then writing it down.  I can't imagine how this would happen on so many different levels that it really makes no sense to me.

Unless the Yankees are interested in prospects, I don't see how the Cubs come up with a package to get A-Rod that doesn't include Carlos Zambrano.  And, simply put, Carlos Zambrano is a more productive player than A-Rod.  So is Ramirez at this point in their careers.  

I'd be fine if they could get A-Rod to play SS, but not 3rd.  I'd rather have Ramirez and I'm not even the biggest Ramirez fan around.

by Maddog on Oct 17, 2006 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What if...
... the Cubs did trade Z in this deal, but also got Philip Hughes in return? He's major-league ready.

by Al on Oct 17, 2006 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do it
as long as we don't have to give up Hill or Pie.

I would love to trade Hill and a prospect hitter for Crawford and have him play CF.

by cubfaninSTL on Oct 17, 2006 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not in favor of it.
We'd be trading Zambrano who is better than A-Rod and then we'd have to hope that Hughes could make up the difference despite not pitching an inning above AA.  

Besides, if the Cubs have any chance of contending in 2007, Zambrano is going to be a part of that team.  

I would trade Ramirez for A-rod and Hughes, but the Yanks are going to ask for so much for A-Rod that it's not really feasible.  My guess is Cashman will first ask for Zambrano, Pie, and Hill straight up for A-Rod.  How do you turn that around and then get the deal to favor the Cubs...or even to come out equal?

by Maddog on Oct 17, 2006 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think that it would take that much
to get A-Rod, because the only way that this deal happens is if A-Rod demands a trade to the Cubs (or the Cubs are one of a handful of teams that he demands a trade to).  People in NY are going to want him gone as spring approaches, and will settle for a lower return.  Also, don't forget the possibility of a multi-team deal: Cubs prospects to a third team, average starting pitcher and/or third baseman to Yankees, SS A-Rod to Cubs.

The point is, given the negotiating position NY would be in, I don't see A-Rod costing the Cubs Ramirez or Zambrano.

by TC Cubby on Oct 17, 2006 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree...
... you know, Jim Hendry has had some success with multi-team deals. Maybe there's someone out there (the Marlins DO come to mind) that could get involved, where everyone comes out happy.

by Al on Oct 17, 2006 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Marlins
A 3 way deal.  Sending prospects to Florida, send Willis to NY, and we get ARod (something like that).  Hear me knocking?

by cubfaninSTL on Oct 17, 2006 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

NYY....
is in a GREAT bargaining position.  They have ARod cheap (16 mil) and do not have to let him go.  There will be teams lined up to get him.  LAA, SD, Houston, Cubs, WS.......

It is going to take a big deal (and some balls) to get this done.  

Unfortunately, IMHO, it will require BigZ.  You do this deal if you land two top notch FA pitchers.

he hath no fury like a cubs fan scorned

by timeforachange on Oct 17, 2006 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree
I think that NY, despite all of its feel-good talk, will determine that it has to get rid of A-Rod.  Given his no trade clause, A-Rod would be in the driver's seat, and could be had relatively cheaply if he limits the Yankee's options to one or two clubs.

by TC Cubby on Oct 17, 2006 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who is interested....
in ARod?  If you believe ESPN, I see the Cubs, LAA, LAD, SD, Houston, and the WS as interested parties.

This makes sense because all of these teams are big market clubs.  Would ARod come to these teams?  Absolutely.  Thus the no trade clause is mute.  If a bidding war starts, which I belive it will, the price will be a top of the rotation starter......

he hath no fury like a cubs fan scorned

by timeforachange on Oct 17, 2006 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If A-Rod wants to go to all of these teams
you are correct, NY is in great bargaining position.  My read on the Piniella/A-Rod stories is that A-Rod might tell the Yankees behind the scenes, "If you want to trade me, I'll only waive my no-trade clause to go to the Cubs."  If that's true, he could be had cheaply.  If he includes 10 teams on his list, then the price shoots (way) up.

by TC Cubby on Oct 17, 2006 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Remember
ARod could demand to be traded to the Cubs.  That would help us out a lot.  I do think Hughes is still too young (20) to pitch in the mlb.  He needs more innings in the minors so his arm can handle 200+ innings.

by cubfaninSTL on Oct 17, 2006 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He can demand it,
but the Yankees don't have to trade him.  It's really no different than the Red Sox and Manny every offseason.  

by Maddog on Oct 17, 2006 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What makes.....
you think the NYY would give up Hughes?  Al, they don't have to.  Do you not think they could get talent for ARod without having to give this kid up?

Here are some "options":
ARod for Oswalt?
ARod for Peavy?
ARod for Buerhle?

IMHO, it will be a straight up trade.  I think Cashman has realized that pitching wins in the postseason.  No way, no how does he give up on this kid.....

he hath no fury like a cubs fan scorned

by timeforachange on Oct 17, 2006 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know,
the pressure to win NOW in NY is tremendous.  I think Hughes could be included because NY can't just trade A-Rod for a pitcher, because that leaves a hole at third.  So the trade is All Star SS/3b & excellent pitching prospect for quality 3b & major league starter.  This may not be "fair", but NY would be doing this because it feels it needs to get rid of A-Rod.

by TC Cubby on Oct 17, 2006 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The pressure...
to win has been the same the last two seasons and they have kept this kid....

There is no hole at 3b for the NYY.  ARod had a "off" year.  Still, his #'s were better than 99% of all MLB 3rd baseman.

I would love to have ARod play here, but I am realistic.  They are not going to give him away.
Also, this deal with the Marlins that people are talking about... Please.  What prospects do we have?  Pie?  

Our minor league system blows.  Trades will be difficult, if not impossible because of this....

he hath no fury like a cubs fan scorned

by timeforachange on Oct 17, 2006 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The hole at third
is after it trades A-Rod.  I think the root of our disagreement is if/how strongly the Yankees feel the need to get rid of A-Rod.

by TC Cubby on Oct 17, 2006 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I really....
believe they will have to be blown away to get it done.  Think about it, the NYY have lost in the post season the past couple of years due to pitching.  For ARod to go, they will require a starter in return.  

As for Hughes, there is no way this happens....

he hath no fury like a cubs fan scorned

by timeforachange on Oct 17, 2006 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hole at 3rd
I don't think they need to get another all star to replace him at third. They won a world series with Scott Brosius there.

by qccub on Oct 18, 2006 7:53 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The problem with your thinking
Is that if the Yankees do not trade ARod, they are not in the market for ARam.  I think there's some small possibility that Ramirez likes the idea of playing in NY, and as long as he gets his $14M per year, he would gladly sign now and take the trade to the Bronx.  However, to my recollection, a deal like this has never been done in the history of MLB.  

by zambranofan on Oct 17, 2006 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This could get done
one way or another.  I think the Yankees are going to say they have no interest in trading ARod, but privately they'll be looking to unload him.  He's perhaps the biggest star in the game so they'll need to do this delicately.

Most of the pundits are saying Hughes will be in the Yankees rotation starting next year.  They expect him to be good so prying him away would not be easy.

They are going to want a top of the line starter for ARod of course, but it all depends on how motivated they are to trade him and how much if any pressure he puts on them to be traded.  If it turns ugly then we can get him without dealing Z.  If it stays civil then they'd probably demand Z, and I don't see Hendry doing that.  

So let's hope they start name calling and backstabing any day now.  :)

by pageian on Oct 17, 2006 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My guess
would be that the Ramirez portion of the rumor is leftover from the summer.  It would not surprise me in the least if Hendry had offered Ramirez and whatever for ARod in July, and the writer is just being lazy and regurgitating old rumors.

by davidalanu on Oct 17, 2006 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cubs Fan
Scott Eyre was quoted as saying that he heard Piniella was an "in your face" klnda guy and that some of the players needed someone to light a fire under them. It doesnt sound like it was our imagination that Baker was too lax with his players.

by Cubs fan on Oct 17, 2006 8:35 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

This from the guy
who liked Baker because Baker didn't make his players run?

by TC Cubby on Oct 17, 2006 8:47 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't "loathe" Gary Matthews.
I didn't care for him much as a hitting coach, but I really don't think who your 1B coach is matters that much to the success of your team, as long as he knows the signs and the players like him. If they want to keep him around for the "ex-Cub" factor I'm fine with that. Clines and Rothschild did terrible jobs, though, and I hope they get reassigned to "other duties", like bullpen coach and fungoe hitter.

by jamie on Oct 17, 2006 8:36 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Three reasons to keep Matthews
  1. None of the other coaches rumored to be retained or hired by Piniella are African-American.  It can help clubhouse relations to have some diversity in the coaching staff.
  2. His son is a free agent this year.  
  3. He is the only one of the former coaches who was a popular Cub player at one time, and has a perspective on what the town, fans, media et al. are like when the team WINS.
In my mind, none of these are sufficient to retain him, even as the first base coach.  But so long as he is not the hitting coach, I won't complain.  This is nothing like the Rothschild situation.  

by zambranofan on Oct 17, 2006 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can live with Matthews
as long as his duties are limited.  Don't give him responsibility over anything other than first base.  Remember, he already lost his job as hitting coach once with this team.

by pageian on Oct 17, 2006 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Definitely keep him
He's a good man and a decent coach. Of course his membership on the 1984 Cubs doesn't skew my views at all - yeah, right!

by danimal15 on Oct 17, 2006 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lou
says he wants the Cubs to go after A-Rod.  If only A-Rod would tell the Yanks that the only team he would pass his no trade clause to is the Cubs, that would be great.  I say there's a very good chance we will see him in a Cubs uniform.  Maybe Hill, Prior, and Eyre would get the deal done.

by cubfaninSTL on Oct 17, 2006 8:36 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The ARod talk
sure has to make ARam feel pretty good about coming back to Chicago doesn't it?

If ARam bolts what do we have that would pry ARod away from the Yankees?  Z?  Not worth it.

It would be nice if they had thought to mention a switching ARod back to short when they started this rumor.  I guess they'd (Hendry, Piniella) would rather have Izturis be happy than ARam.  God knows we need that defensive wizard at short.

Fwiw I've heard that ARod isn't in shape to play shortstop anymore.  I have no idea if that's true but I can tell you the guy is a great athlete and works out as hard as anyone.  If he were motivated to come here and play short I have no doubt he could do it.

by pageian on Oct 17, 2006 8:40 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

ARod
would just have to work on it harder in the off-season.  The skill is still there.

by cubfaninSTL on Oct 17, 2006 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep
he's still young enough that he could probably play short reasonably well for a few more seasons at least.

We'd probably be better off with Izturis there even though he can't hit because he's so good with the glove, right Mike?

by pageian on Oct 17, 2006 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

A-Rod
Play him at Second,
play Izturis at SS and bat him eight.

Now let's work on getting Soriano and Matsui......

Then we'll talk pitching....

"Bite my shiny metal ass!" -- Bender Bending Rodriguez

"Life is just one crushing defeat after another until you just wish Flanders was dead."

by The Jade Scorpion on Oct 17, 2006 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Blown opportunity.....
From all that I have seen, Hendry has been set on Piniella for a while.  If that was the case, why did he not bring him in last season?  He could have came in to "evaluate" what little talent there was on the roster.  More importantly, he could have determined who will buy into his program.  
he hath no fury like a cubs fan scorned

by timeforachange on Oct 17, 2006 8:44 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

It's spin
Piniella was shown around Wrigley Field when he covered a game during the season. He and Hendry talked at that time. Piniella has been watching the Cubs very closely since then. I believe that is why he was so hot on campaigning for the job. I believe Lou as an announcer could call A-Rod on a friendly basis without a charge of tampering. The kind of call from Lou Piniella asking A-Rod,

"say if the situation comes to pass Alex would you wanna play for me again if, I so happen to get another managerial job? Would you wave your no-trade clause?" "you would, great. BTW you need to loosen up a bit at the plate, you're pressing a little."

A-rod's coming to the Cubs and popular player will be traded.

Hang on people. This is going to get fun.
 

You're never a loser untill you quit trying - FortuneCookie

by Scott G F on Oct 17, 2006 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rebuttal
Lou Piniella has been "the choice" of Jim Hendry for months.  Though we will never know, my suspicion is that Sweet Lou and Hendry started a dialogue sometime after the All-Star break when it was clear Dusty would not be retained.  I bet Piniella has all sorts of opinions concerning the members of the current Cub roster.  He's a lot smarter and astute than people realize.  

by BlueMike on Oct 17, 2006 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Compleatly agree
I called for Lou last May on the NSBB website. I got a little thrill reading a 'not-so-important-article-at-the-time' about Lou Piniella being shown around Wrigley Field. It was just after the ASG, and in my mind it might as been the first unoffical interview.

Now Hendry needs to build a team for him to run.

You're never a loser untill you quit trying - FortuneCookie

by Scott G F on Oct 17, 2006 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Scott Eyre
needs to shut his mouth.  He did nothing but sing the praises of Dusty because he would allow him to be lazy, now he's looking forward to having a fire lit under him.  What a crock.

by Peoria Matt on Oct 17, 2006 8:54 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

disagree
He didn't rip the current manager when he was still playing for him, and now he's looking for characteristics to like in the new guy.

Indeed, what a clubhouse cancer.  get rid of him immediately.

by dbt on Oct 17, 2006 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did you guys read
the quote?   Eyre did not rip Dusty, he was stating that when there is change, it might be good, and his point about Lou being in your face will be different - and that he was ok with that, as the implied question was whether Eyre would have a problem with that style of management.

Eyre was attempting to disarm any conflict.

by Ihatethecards on Oct 17, 2006 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Press conference...
Is it not on WGN today at noon?  Does anybody know where this can be seen?

by Maddog on Oct 17, 2006 8:58 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I would also LOVE....
.... The answer to this question.... WGN??? anyone know??

by BillHoldenFan on Oct 17, 2006 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I doubt...
... WGN carries the press conference in its entirety.

CSN will, and so will CLTV, and usually, press conferences of this nature wind up on ESPNews.

It ought to be streamed on the Cubs website, I imagine, along with WGN radio's website.

by Al on Oct 17, 2006 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks, Al.
If you get anything definitive on this a bit later, could you post some links?

by Maddog on Oct 17, 2006 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Will do...
... likely as an update to the main post, so you don't have to wade through the comments for it.

by Al on Oct 17, 2006 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Last night on the WGN TV news
They said it will be streamed on their website. www.wgntv.com

Kasey

by kaseyi on Oct 17, 2006 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

espn news
is covering it if u have directv

by china423 on Oct 17, 2006 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No direct tv
but for some reason I get this channel.

I hope Time Warner isn't reading this....

she

by Sarah Hope on Oct 17, 2006 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm behind Lou Piniella
The more I think about it, Sweet Lou is immensely qualified for the task at hand.  And what has impressed me in learning more about him is that he really is a very smart and astute baseball guy.  Is he a sabermetrician geek?  No.  But he is a smart cookie and will not be out-foxed very many times on the baseball diamond.  

If there is one thing you can say about Lou, its that he suffers no fools.  If a player (young or old) isn't very good or has an attitude or plays like a dog, then he won't be long for the Cubs.  

Last night, I re-read a book that I first read over two decades ago, "The Bronx Zoo," authored by former Yankee relief pitcher Sparkly Lyle.   The book recounts the tumulutous 1978 season for the Yankees, the year of the Bucky Dent home run and the Yankees beating the Dodgers in the World Series.  Sweet Lou and Thurman Munson were the beloved emotional leaders of that great Yankee team.  Lou was a leader then, and he is a leader now.  If you've never read that book, I highly recoommend it.  Outstanding (and hilarious) reading.  

What concerns me most?  Larry Rothschild back as pitching coach.  

by BlueMike on Oct 17, 2006 8:58 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

MacPhail/Henry/Baker
The 3 "experts" above Should have taken the same exit.... Girardi was the guy.... I have seen Lou asleep in the Devil Rays Dugout, I hope they give him a soft seat on the bench.
All they things I'm reading today say Soriano is the leadoff hitter and CF .... not a very good
second baseman, worse LF and can't wait to see that side arm coming from CF.....

by FlaCub on Oct 17, 2006 8:58 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Rebuttal
My bet is the Cubs re-sign Juan Pierre to a three year deal, then sign Alfonso Soriano to play left field.  Pierre gets around $30 mil, Soriano around $90 mil.  Matt Murton and Felix Pie are used as trade bait.  Though I will say this, Matt Murton shares lots of similarities as a hitter and outfielder to a young Piniella.  Quality right-handed bat with not much pop and a so-so glove.  But maybe Murton has the potential to have the same leadership presence as Sweet Lou did during his playing days.  And maybe Murton becomes one of his favorites.  Trouble is, then where does Soriano play.  And don't say 2nd base, because even he realizes that no longer is an option.  

by BlueMike on Oct 17, 2006 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pierre
is not worth the money.  Not even close.  Better off having TheRot as the lead-off hitter and overspend on somebody else.

by cubfaninSTL on Oct 17, 2006 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed
I would like to see Pierre move on at this point, no reason to waste more resources on him.  He's not a good offensive player, not a good defensive player.  He could well hit .330 next year and that might be helpful, but he could also just as well hit .270 and kill us again.  His arm is of no use.  Time to move on, spend the money elsewhere.

by pageian on Oct 17, 2006 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pierre...
... doesn't seem to me to be a Piniella-type of player. I'd imagine he would recommend to Hendry to let him go and look elsewhere.

by Al on Oct 17, 2006 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

pierre
needs to go to a large park where he can stretch more singles.

by mike bornemann on Oct 17, 2006 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He needs
astroturf as well.

by pageian on Oct 17, 2006 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This all
makes sense to me.

by danimal15 on Oct 17, 2006 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What?!?
I really don't understand how he's not a good offensive player. They guy hit .291, which is an act of God since he started so poorly. He led the NL in hits, stole 58 bases. As for his RBI, who the hell is going to hit in, the guys that aren't getting in scoring postion for him. But I guess he's worth a bag of chips...
JKuhle "I'd walk through hell in a gasonline suit to play baseball."

by TCobb1911 on Oct 19, 2006 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's not a good offensive player...
... because he rarely walks. Thus, most of his value is in his batting average. .291 isn't bad, but with only 32 walks, a .330 OBA is terrible, particularly for a leadoff hitter.

For Pierre to have value, he has to hit .326, as he did in 2004.

by Al on Oct 20, 2006 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Quit Lying
Quit lying about Murton's glove.   Every statistical metric shows that his glove is better than average.     Its quite clear that you despise young players and want the Cubs to lose with old players.  Fine.   Be honest and say this.  Quit lying.

by frustratedfan on Oct 17, 2006 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Forget about metrics
Murton does not cover much ground and his arm is average at best.

by jazzman56 on Oct 17, 2006 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm with you
on Murton's fielding. I think he does an adequate job, though he has room for improvement. His arm definitely isn't all the way there yet.

by danimal15 on Oct 17, 2006 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

3 assists
and 3 errors says it all.  Murton catches most of the balls he gets to, but he it is just as unlikely he will throw somebody out as it is that he will muff a catch or throw one away.

by jazzman56 on Oct 17, 2006 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gene Clines
may be getting a bad rap.  Several Cubs had career years under his tutelage:  Derrek Lee, Aramis Ramirez, Michael Barrett, Jacques Jones, and on the basis of small samples you can even include Theriot and Murton.

On the other hand, I'd like to see Rothschild go far, far away.

by Clark Addison on Oct 17, 2006 9:09 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Career years Vs. Good hitting teams
I don't see any reason why any of the guys you listed couldn't have had there career years with any other coach at the helm.  The only one that stands out is Jacque, and this wasn't quite his best year.  I would rather have a coach who can teach a team how to get on base than one who happens to be there when a few guys have their best seasons.  Every hitting coach who sticks around long enough will have players on his team who have had their best years.  Think about it.

by pageian on Oct 17, 2006 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is it really Piniella coming?
Just remember McDonough was in charge of marketing.

I just heard McDonough talking on the Mike North show. He was supposed to be talking about the playoffs. That's why he was booked in the first
place. Everytime that North changed the topic
to the Cubs Piniella said he didn't want to talk about it.

Could this all be just misdirection for the
Cubs to name the real manager in total suprise?

Bubba T

by BubbaT on Oct 17, 2006 9:27 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Sweet Lou
I like the hire of Pinella, but more for what this type of hire appears to represent.  Hiring Pinella was the easy part and there's no way he agreed to manage the Cubs to "go young" or "play the kids".  He signed on the dotted line to win NOW. He's a better X and O guy than Baker, but he would've failed last year with this same team, as Baker did.  Hendry now needs to step up and spend this money that I've been hearing about (apparently the payroll will reach the 115 mil mark).  If that's the case, renegotiate with Ramirez before he can become a free agent, get another bat (Soriano? Carlos Lee?) and get another proven starting pitcher or two (Schmidt? Zito?).  I like the idea of Alex Rodriguez in a Cubs uniform, but would NOT include Zambrano in any deal. It appears that Pierre will NOT be back.  Personally, I like him and think it's a mistake NOT to sign him.  I also hear that upper management is targeting Soriano to play CF.  I'd like to have Soriano, but not in CF; why not at 2B?

by cubboy89 on Oct 17, 2006 9:56 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

for what it's worth.

 Good ol' Score Baseball expert and apparent Cub fan Demi-god Steve stone was on The Score and said that not only is Lou Pinella "One of the best talent evaluators in all of baseball" but also predicted "that Lou will have the Cubs in the World Series within two years"

 So some of you either need to listen to Lord Stone's advice and realize that this is a really really good hire. (And while we're on it, will the people who keep saying we hired someone who's just like Dusty please stop talking? You're wrong! YOU ARE WRONG. He isn't anything like Dusty, he holds people accountable, he preaches fundamentals, he's a better jusge of talent, he doesn't hide behind his kid, He's won a world series, He's not black, the list goes on and on... he's nothing like Dusty....please let it go. )

 Your other action would be to realize that Steve Stone is simply a man with an opinion and is vastly underqualified to be a GM, or manager or other job you have lined up for him in the Cub orginization.

"I can't be held responsible for what I personally tell my goons to do...."- C. Montgomery Burns

by yahoodi on Oct 17, 2006 10:04 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Interesting OBP Stat
Here is how the Cubs have ranked among National League teams in OBP since 1990:
  1. 16 of 16
  2. 11
  3. 11
  4. 13
  5. 12
  6. 6
  7. 10
  8. 14
  9. 6
  10. 12 of 14
  11. 13
  12. 9
  13. 11
  14. 8
  15. 11 of 12
  16. 9
  17. 10
In the last seventeen seasons, the Cubs have been in the bottom half for getting on base fifteen times, and not once in the top five of the league.

Prediction: It ain't gonna get any better with Lou Piniella.  This is a systemic problem.

by chasfh on Oct 17, 2006 10:05 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

2001
is almost entirely Sammy Sosa putting up a .437 OBP.  
Piniella is the sympton, not the disease

by Josh77 on Oct 17, 2006 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This
may be the root of all the Cubs' offensive problems over the years I've been watching them (since the mid-1970s). Their unwillingness to let the other team put them on base.

by danimal15 on Oct 17, 2006 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

To quote Larusa from today's Tribune:
"When they signed Dusty, they got an outstanding manager," La Russa said. "I think Dusty Baker is outstanding. I think Lou is outstanding."  from Dave van Dyck article.

So, everyone is outstanding and we can all pat ourselves on the backs and sit back and enjoy outstanding achievements in the field of excellence from the dugout...I give Pinella a chance, he's an upgrade over Baker for sure and reading Eyre's comments in the Tribune today was confirmation enough for me that Baker's stamp on this team was way too lax and to the point where it showed in very poor fundamental play...We don't need to pay $4 million per to have your friend's Uncle, who buy's beer for kids on the block manage a ballclub...I don't think we need a screamer either but that's what we have.

The Cubs have a hard time evaluating position players to draft because they are rely too heavily on things that are not significant contributors to being productive players...As long as that continues the farm system will struggle...The same way with choosing a manager, but this is not just the Cubs as it staggers me that these guys keep getting jobs at these salaries and there doesn't appear to be any objective criteria in making the choice (this is my complaint in general with baseball).  The gravy train keeps rolling for insiders in this sport and the Cubs' management is driving the train.

Okay, all that said, congrats. to Pinella and I hope he can convince Hendry to get some talented pitchers and hitters for this roster.  I hoped that Dusty did well when he was hired, although I was against the guy.  One area that Pinella should excel at immediately is dealing with criticism and the media.  This will be a welcome change.

Okay Hendry, you have your guy now get some players and let's make a run for the playoffs.  Please note Jim that you must stop ignoring the importance of OBP in making up your roster, you must field a competent bench, and stop counting on Wood and Prior to give you anything, they were burned out under your watch and you have to live with that--but quit trying to bring them back from the dead to save your self.

Oh, and still replace Bob with Stoney regardless of whether Bob takes a managing job.

by DudeVf1 on Oct 17, 2006 10:13 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

That last...
... isn't Hendry's call, it's McDonough's.

by Al on Oct 17, 2006 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I assume
that Piniella speaks spanish? So we got that going for us, which is nice.

by mike bornemann on Oct 17, 2006 10:34 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

According to Steve Lyons, he does
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15263472/
"It's hard to put your finger on it. You have to have a dullness of mind and spirit to play here." --Jim Brosnan

by cubbiejulie on Oct 17, 2006 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes,
He hablas Espanol.
she

by Sarah Hope on Oct 17, 2006 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

spanish was his first language
born in west tampa. He said he learned english from catholic nuns.

by cashcowsquirtingsourmilk on Oct 17, 2006 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh wow
thats the same way i learned to shut up.

by mike bornemann on Oct 17, 2006 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I want Steve X 2 in the booth
Steve Stone and Steve Lyons....

Now thats who I want to hear next year....

by BillHoldenFan on Oct 17, 2006 11:38 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I will
watch the press conference today and while I'm usually an optimistic person I just have this cloud hanging over my head about Lou. I will give Lou a chance and I hope I will be pleasantly surprised next season.
Go Hawkeyes...Beat Michigan!!!

by sue369 on Oct 17, 2006 11:55 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Hendry
Piniella is a winner, he plays the game the right way, blah, blah blah.

How many clichés can he spit out?

Piniella is the sympton, not the disease

by Josh77 on Oct 17, 2006 11:59 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow
He just called the White Sox the Northsiders.

Let's hope that was just a slip of the tongue.

I like that he said he was a delegator--he'd better just get the right people to delegate to.

Piniella is the sympton, not the disease

by Josh77 on Oct 17, 2006 12:08 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Twice in one day
He said the same thing on the Mike North show
this morning.
Bubba T

by BubbaT on Oct 17, 2006 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Clogging the bases
Do you think this is a big enough deal that we will be hearing about it the rest of the time he is here.  Similar to the "Walks clog the bases" comment.
MissouriKev

by MissouriKev on Oct 17, 2006 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

wait
I missed most of the press conference, Piniella did this?

thats a punishable offense

by flyball on Oct 17, 2006 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The press
conference must have started earlier than noon. I don't think I missed too much.

Lou is nervous as hell. He keeps turning the ring on his right hand. He also said his kids told him he should take this job and they are excited for him.

Does he always have a shiny complection or is he sweating like hell?

Go Hawkeyes...Beat Michigan!!!

by sue369 on Oct 17, 2006 12:10 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

It's official
Rothschild is back.

I now propose we call him "Rasputin."

Piniella is the sympton, not the disease

by Josh77 on Oct 17, 2006 12:11 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Larry
LouP just said he's keep Rothschild. Ugghhh.

by hk on Oct 17, 2006 12:12 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I wish Rothschild was gone
I wanted him out of here just as much as Dusty.
MissouriKev

by MissouriKev on Oct 17, 2006 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

missed it..
WHat did he say?

by kaseyi on Oct 17, 2006 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He'll occasionally
"give the take sign".  Also started his answer saying that he was going to have 8 midgets bat.

by Peoria Matt on Oct 17, 2006 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And draw nothing but walks...
...don't leave out that part...

Dusty on the other hand, would have them hacking.

eat me catuli!

by theprognosticator on Oct 17, 2006 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh Oh...
He'll have the midget defamation league coming after him now!

Kasey

www.fireloupiniella.net Because someone had to start this up!

by kaseyi on Oct 17, 2006 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The man is not
an eloquent speaker.  He also, seems very nervous.

by mgfabc on Oct 17, 2006 12:18 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Recap

1) Family Guy
According to Sweet Lou, when the Cubs job became available it was his kids that got him interested in taking on the franchise.  They expressed that it would be a "great opportunity" for him and said that they looked forward to coming to Wrigley and "watching the Cubs win".  Erg.....

2) "We're gonna win here"
Lou said that Jim promised to put a great team in front of him because "this organization wants to win."  Obligatory promise, obligatory answer.

3) "I'm a delegator"
Avoiding the coaching questions, he danced around stating who he was looking at for his coaching staff

4) Yankees fluff
Piniella said that he was never approached about the Yanks job, nor does he know where the rumors about acquiring ARod came from.

5) Building a team
"Obviously, we're going to have to add a few".  He then cited the example of the Tigers quick turnaround as one to emulate.  Then, for kicks, added "look at what the guys on the North Side did a few years ago".  A few seconds went by and then, "South side, south side, that's right..."

6) Wood and Prior
 "when they're physically hurt, it makes [winning] that much harder.  Hopefully they will both be healthy."

7) So, based on that delusional statement, a reporter asked the obvious question.  His answer?  "Noo no no.  There's no curses!!"  
As if his behavior didn't already SCREAM of manic/depression.

8) Larry Rothschild
Lou sang this weapon of mass destruction's praises. "I was the one that brought him up to the big leagues".  He went on about how "great" Larry is and then stated, "Yeah, we're gonna keep him."

she

by Sarah Hope on Oct 17, 2006 12:22 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

This is a good summary...
... I heard NOTHING in any of Piniella's answers that led me to believe he'll be any different than Baker, only more "fiery".

Great. It'll make for good television, but not necessarily good baseball.

I'm appalled that Rothschild is returning, because IMO he was responsible for a lot of the disaster that was the 2006 pitching staff.

I agree, Lou seemed VERY nervous.

by Al on Oct 17, 2006 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

disagree
the team will be more fundamentally sound, defensively and offensively, and he won't tolerate too many walks by our pitchers, not to mention that we'll have better players.

by cashcowsquirtingsourmilk on Oct 17, 2006 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh god
first day on the job and he has to attend sensitivity training

by cashcowsquirtingsourmilk on Oct 17, 2006 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd have been...
... much more confident that the pitching staff would stop walking so many, if he didn't just rehire the SAME PITCHING COACH!!!!!!

What's he going to do, yell at Rothschild?

by Al on Oct 17, 2006 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

maybe he will "yell" at rothschild
I'm curious how many walks the reds staff gave up during their 3 years together. I'll have to look it up. my theory on the cubs walking so many batters is that our pitchers just sucked, so they HAD to nibble.

by cashcowsquirtingsourmilk on Oct 17, 2006 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here...
... I saved you the trouble.

The Reds were in the middle of the pack in walks allowed in 1990 and 1991 -- but second MOST allowed in 1992.

That, of course, was before Rothschild was "Dustyfied".

by Al on Oct 17, 2006 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sounds like a James Brown term
"OWWW! Get out, get on out.  Ugh! OH OWW!  Dustify!!!!"
she

by Sarah Hope on Oct 17, 2006 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Quote about walks from Lou...
From cubs.com

They had some young pitching that had some talent," Piniella said. "At the same time, they walked a lot of people and in a ballpark like Wrigley, walks score. When young pitchers walk a lot of hitters and they strike out a lot of hitters, there are going to be some foul balls, so basically you're talking about a pitch count in the low 100s by the sixth inning, so you're pitching with three innings in your bullpen all the time."

That being said, I'm not sure how that's going to change while keeping the same pitching coach, but at least someone mentioned the obvious- the walks killed this pitching staff last year.

Also, how much of that is attributable to the pitching coach and how much of a factor is it that we had a swinging door of minor leaguers come up?

Forget about '07. Let's wait until 2008!

by secdelahc on Oct 17, 2006 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who cares?

Who the heck cares how he handles a press conference?  This guy is here to win games for the Cubs, not some infomercial carnival barker.

Let's let Lou do his talking on the field.  Press conferences for sports guys are almost always nothing more than the recitation of cliche after cliche anyways.

by salparadise23 on Oct 17, 2006 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

the good baseball will come
if the Cubs put good baseball players on the field.  I'll say it again:  It doesn't matter if the Cubs hire Joe Torre or Forrest Gump to manage the team.  Good baseball players win.  The Cubs better pony up and get a major league shortstop, a lead-off guy with a OPB of .350 or higher, sign Aramis, get another thumper for the middle of the line-up and get two quality starters.  

Lou in his press conference said point blank that he was just a small piece of this and it's the players that win titles.

Jim Hendry, it's all on you now.  Go do your job.  

One day, the dream will come true.

by brianp88 on Oct 17, 2006 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well...I agree to a point...
Okay, in a simple sense you are right; put a better player at all the positions and you'll see better baseball.  However, a good or bad manager can enhance or detract from the play of his team.

Witness the Oakland A's.  It has just come out, following Ken Macha's dismissal, that basically the whole team couldn't stand the manager.  Over the last few months a lot of reporters have indicated that they've gotten a bad vibe in the locker room of the A's.  Yet the team was winning and in first place.  However, it isn't hard to imagine that the team would have been more motivated or excited about winning in the playoffs if they weren't at war with the manager.

So yes, better players is a key part of solving the puzzle, but the thought that any human being who follows the moneyball formula for success will be successful is just wrong.  Since humans are involved and not computers, it takes more than that.

by SiValleyCubFan on Oct 17, 2006 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I will go out on a limb
and say that, assuming all the press conference retoric comes to pass and the Cubs actually do out and acquire some quality players, then the team will play better all-around baseball than they did under Dusty Baker.  And the reason is because I don't think bad fundamentals and constant mental gaffes will be tolerated and above all, Lou will not make excuses for his players.  
"Don't complain to me about the stormy weather, boys. Just bring the ship into port." --Steve Stone, September 2004

by ctcoff99 on Oct 17, 2006 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bravo
Couldn't have said it better.  The "hire", whether it was Piniella, Girardi, Sandberg, or Ronny Woo-Woo is not nearly as important as what Hendry does in the off season.  That being said, I do like Piniella and he'll be a nice change.

by cubboy89 on Oct 18, 2006 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He was
nervous. He kept twisting the ring on his finger on his right hand. Was he sweating too or does he just have a shiny complexion?
Go Hawkeyes...Beat Michigan!!!

by sue369 on Oct 17, 2006 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Delegator?"
At least he didn't say "I'm the Decider."

by Smooth Jazz Man San Diego on Oct 17, 2006 12:24 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

My thoughts exactly
LOL to funny.
Did he have the "My Pet Goat" book too?
You're never a loser untill you quit trying - FortuneCookie

by Scott G F on Oct 17, 2006 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I missed some of it
due to my sporatic convulsions.

Also, Julie gave me more truffles.

she

by Sarah Hope on Oct 17, 2006 12:25 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Jim Hendry
may have hired the only man in baseball less articulate than Jim Hendry.

by jamie on Oct 17, 2006 12:36 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

nah
Lou doesn't have cerebral palsy
"I respect the mind's power over the body, it's why I do what I do" - Dr. Jonathan Crane

by Faith plus 1 on Oct 17, 2006 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Many, many are "less articulate".
In baseball than who you named.

How long have you been following the game Jamie?

Ever hear Jim Thome speak?

The game is not full of PhD's in English "Jamie".

Beat Iowa in all sports. Go Illini!

by TheEman on Oct 17, 2006 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who Cares?
We all saw Lou on FOX and he is not going to be nicknamed "The Great Communicator" anytime soon.  He is not Ronald Reagan.  So what?  We didn't hire him to be our color commentator, he's our manager.  It's not his job to be articulate with the media.  
"Don't complain to me about the stormy weather, boys. Just bring the ship into port." --Steve Stone, September 2004

by ctcoff99 on Oct 17, 2006 11:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why I think ARod will be a Cub, and soon
  1. A Rod is a not likely going to want to go through a winter of A Rod trade rumors again.  When he left Texas, he could paint it as "I'm tired of losing" & "I hate playing for a manager who is generally regarded as a jackass."  This time around, it wouldn't be pretty, basically it would be similar to the Sosa trade debacle, a celebrity player getting dragged through the mud as a team looks to trade him .  There is no way he goes through an entire winter of gettign dragged through the slop when he's in control.  
  2. So... Scott Boras will step in and help to negotiate a trade, ala Maddux for Izturis.  This will be a highly directed affair, with a particular team (possibly, but not necessarily, the Cubs) the focus, that will happen quietly and under the radar.  
  3.  I wouldn't be surprised if Hendry approached Ramirez before he opts out, and says "Hey, we'd love to have you in Chicago, but we could also facilitate a trade to NY, and you can negotiate with the Yankees"  For the Cubs, this obviously lands them A Rod, for the Yankees, this means a smaller loss at 3B than they could otherwise hope for if they lose A Rod, A Rod gets out of NY and doesn't have a full winter of NYDN back pages, A Ram would get more $$ than if he resigned with the Cubs.
I would guess the chances of this happening are at best 50/50, but if it is going to happen, there is NO WAY it happens in February, Boras, the ultimate player promoter, will not in a million years allow A Rod to get dragged through a winter of muck.

Who knows, maybe Aramis has no desire to play in NY, but that to me is the only reasonable way I see A Rod in blue pinstripes next year.

Eamus Ursuli!

by WGNstatic on Oct 17, 2006 12:38 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

unless you saw the entire press conference...
I doubt if you got the whole picture. Of course he was a bit nervous, but you could feel the intensity.

by cashcowsquirtingsourmilk on Oct 17, 2006 12:47 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh, yeah.
I could totally feel the intensity. It instantly made me into a better baseball player.  

by jamie on Oct 17, 2006 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i don't know about you
but it made me want to throw a base onto my front lawn....i was pumped.
"I respect the mind's power over the body, it's why I do what I do" - Dr. Jonathan Crane

by Faith plus 1 on Oct 17, 2006 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just found myself
driving to the drug store for some Nice N' Easy #401.  Weird...
she

by Sarah Hope on Oct 17, 2006 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i think I need
a cigarette after that press conference....excuse me.
"I respect the mind's power over the body, it's why I do what I do" - Dr. Jonathan Crane

by Faith plus 1 on Oct 17, 2006 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think I could channel this intensity
into a World Series title. All by myself.

by jamie on Oct 17, 2006 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

it's all relative
compare it to other press conferences. I for one liked the way he snapped back at a lot of the questions, just as I've seen him do at his other post-game shit over the years. he hasn't lost it. It will be very refreshing after the "laid-back california dude" crap

by cashcowsquirtingsourmilk on Oct 17, 2006 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

lmao
n/t
NO MORE TRADING THE FUTURE ITS ALL WE GOT!!!!

by KyCubsFan on Oct 17, 2006 8:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did not watch it
in its entirety.  ESPN news did not cover the whole thing.

But as a fan I was looking for some specific things:

What kind of team will you give me?
What are you going to do differently than Dusty?
Are you retarded or did you just say Larry Rothschild was staying?
Why should the fans be behind you?

The press conference was piss poor and did nothing to make the fans feel any more comfortable with him at the helm. If that was his aim?  Well, count that as his first loss.

she

by Sarah Hope on Oct 17, 2006 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

speaking for all us huh?
I, unlike you, felt VERY comfortable after that pc.

All that stuttering made me feel like I was with grandpa again, especially when Unkie Lou made the midget reference.

All I needed to hear was some thick coughing and the occasional, "now what was I saying?" and I'd have burst into happy tears.

eat me catuli!

by theprognosticator on Oct 17, 2006 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ah yes.
My apologies.  See, my grandpa was a Cards fan.  So I can't relate.

A manager that likes Chicago.... and the bleacher bums..... and the.......ivy...

Wow.  I'm all set!

she

by Sarah Hope on Oct 17, 2006 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

then blame the reporters
and did you really think he would answer questions like "what are you going to do differently than Dusty"???

by cashcowsquirtingsourmilk on Oct 17, 2006 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought
the PC was fine.

He answered all your questions.

  1. He said his team will be fundamentally sound, disciplined and will hustle.  He tried hard not to be ciritical of Dusty and his staff, but he also implied that this would represent a change from last year.
  2. See #1
  3. He praised Rothschild profusely and did indeed say he would be retaining him.  Since Lou Piniella has actually worked with Larry Rothschild and you haven't, I am more impressed with his evaluation of his abilities as a pitching coach than yours.
  4. This is a goofy question.  If you are a Cubs fan, you should be behind the Cubs...and whoever the manager is.  If you don't like Piniella, that is your choice, but he is now the manager.
I personally thought the press conference struck just the right note.  Pinella has laid out the plan, now let's see if he and his staff can execute it.

As has been posted many times on here, a much more significant issue is what player moves are made this off-season.

by jazzman56 on Oct 17, 2006 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

See, now here we go again....
with logic and common sense.  I thought that these things were not allowed here.  Seriously, I agree with you.  After the year we had in '06, I know it's hard to knock off the negativity.  I, for one, am going to try.  I have confidence in Piniella.  I know past success does not guarantee anything, but I am going to take a wait and see approach.  Maybe this is just blind Cubs fan optimism, but for some reason I feel very good about this.  We'll see.
"Don't complain to me about the stormy weather, boys. Just bring the ship into port." --Steve Stone, September 2004

by ctcoff99 on Oct 17, 2006 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Another petty but funny thing
When asked about the "young guys" and whether he could "relate", he was like, "Yeah, I've got two young kids.  I've got grandchildren"

Umm.... what are you letting your kids do?

she

by Sarah Hope on Oct 17, 2006 1:06 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

stand in
a batter's box against 24 year old guys throwing 95+ mph....you know, the normal childhood experiences.
"I respect the mind's power over the body, it's why I do what I do" - Dr. Jonathan Crane

by Faith plus 1 on Oct 17, 2006 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I meant more like
the disturbing statement that his young children have kids....
she

by Sarah Hope on Oct 17, 2006 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's spanish,
so.... you know.

-as told to MB from Steve Lyons.

by mike bornemann on Oct 17, 2006 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Steve Lyons-esque
 
"I respect the mind's power over the body, it's why I do what I do" - Dr. Jonathan Crane

by Faith plus 1 on Oct 17, 2006 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

and being bi-lingual
will satisfy Al's wish for the new manager to know spanish. I agree with it, by the way. a great asset.

by cashcowsquirtingsourmilk on Oct 17, 2006 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeeeeaaaahh.....
think you missed the joke...
she

by Sarah Hope on Oct 17, 2006 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd like to see better jokes
they are so weak on this board I don't even try to make 'em and sigh whenever I see them.

by cashcowsquirtingsourmilk on Oct 17, 2006 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

twentysomethings ARE young
are old are his kids?

by cashcowsquirtingsourmilk on Oct 17, 2006 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

dude, it was just
kinda funny.  that's all. i said it was petty from the first post.

Yes, i'm sure he meant from his perch at 63 that 20 somethings are young.

To me, as a 24 year old, I hear young kids, I see Tweens

she

by Sarah Hope on Oct 17, 2006 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

FWIW...
... Piniella and his wife, who have been married for 39 years, have three grown children: Lou J., who is 37; Kristi, who is 33, and Derek, who is 27. He has two grandchidren, ages six and ten.

by Al on Oct 17, 2006 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes
And if and when Sarah reaches age 63, she will understand how people aged 37, 33 and 27 can be referred to as "young kids".

by jazzman56 on Oct 17, 2006 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey now,
that's not very funny.  Why wouldn't I make it to 63?
"We need eight midgets to walk every at bat" -- Lou Piniella

by Sarah Hope on Oct 17, 2006 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

great signature...
...and I totally agree...

midgets

PINIELLA!

by theprognosticator on Oct 17, 2006 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Midgets
 
"I respect the mind's power over the body, it's why I do what I do" - Dr. Jonathan Crane

by Faith plus 1 on Oct 17, 2006 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Last time.
This is NOT funny. Period.

And repeating it over and over is SO sixth grade. Knock it off. NOW.

by Al on Oct 17, 2006 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do I have to change my sig?
I've never had a funny quote before... only she. :(
"We need eight midgets to walk every at bat" -- Lou Piniella

by Sarah Hope on Oct 17, 2006 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

please keep it sarah...
PINIELLA!

by theprognosticator on Oct 17, 2006 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yours inspired me
to change mine.
Keeper of Mike63

by Faith plus 1 on Oct 17, 2006 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, let the record show
that I'm making fun of his stupidity.  Not the people themselves.
"We need eight midgets to walk every at bat" -- Lou Piniella

by Sarah Hope on Oct 17, 2006 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What?!?
I didn't do anything!
"We need eight midgets to walk every at bat" -- Lou Piniella

by Sarah Hope on Oct 17, 2006 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know...neither did I!
piniella
PINIELLA!

by theprognosticator on Oct 17, 2006 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

grow up AL
quit being so frickin sensitive

by relaxal on Oct 17, 2006 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Something else
that you learn as you get older is that there are no guarantees.

The first guy that read an injury report that said "so and so is day to day" and then added, "hey, we are all day to day", got it right.

by jazzman56 on Oct 17, 2006 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Damn.
And I was so looking forward to singing that Beatles song the year after. You know, when I'm 64.
"We need eight midgets to walk every at bat" -- Lou Piniella

by Sarah Hope on Oct 17, 2006 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just as you were wrong...
on Dusty for half of the season(remember: "The jury's still out"?), this year Al,you will be proven wrong again.

"Piniella, as has been discussed at length here, is a very, very similar manager to Dusty Baker in terms of how he approaches lineup construction, use of young players, and use and abuse of starting pitchers and bullpens."

I disagree - he holds people accountable(unlike Dusty), AND, he balances great preparation with instincts.

I suppose the only way you'd be truly satisfied is if Girardi was hired as manager, Stone & Grace in the booth, Sandberg as bench coach, Billy Williams as hitting instructor, and Andy Pafko as First Base coach. Only ex-Cubs need apply for any position, because, "They get It".

Do they also "get" the losing?  

Beat Iowa in all sports. Go Illini!

by TheEman on Oct 17, 2006 1:13 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Actually...
... you're totally wrong about my position on ex-Cubs. See, this is how one opinion expressed gets twisted.

Yes, Girardi "gets" the Cubs. A guy in that position can set the tone for the entire staff. Does that mean I'd want all those guys in the positions you mention? Hell no.

I'd love to be wrong about Piniella, and yes, I'm perfectly willing to give him some slack... but not as much as I gave Baylor and Baker. Twice bitten, more than twice shy.

by Al on Oct 17, 2006 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

O.K. - I'm on board...
with giving "some" slack, too.

When you guys crash the Management meeting at the Convention, I'm looking forward to your reports on how player acquisition will be done to support Lou (if you can deduce anything from the "panel"). And, how to avoid adding more "Stiffs" to the team!

Beat Iowa in all sports. Go Illini!

by TheEman on Oct 17, 2006 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hopefully..
... by convention time, many acquisitions will already have been made.

by Al on Oct 17, 2006 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

the moves better be done by then...
otherwise Hendry's only defense might be my one word joke you hate.
PINIELLA!

by theprognosticator on Oct 17, 2006 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

the funny thing Al,
is I also think your doubt of Lou is gonna be brought up a year from now after we've had a great year of Cubs baseball...

by Matt Allison on Oct 17, 2006 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You know what?
If that happens, we'll all be pretty happy, won't we?

I'll be glad to admit I was wrong. As I said in the main post, I'm perfectly willing to cut him some slack. He wasn't my choice, but since he's here now, I'll wait and see what actually happens before I criticize further.

Fair enough?

by Al on Oct 17, 2006 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

when can they start
I suppose the only way you'd be truly satisfied is if Girardi was hired as manager, Stone & Grace in the booth, Sandberg as bench coach, Billy Williams as hitting instructor, and Andy Pafko as First Base coach. Only ex-Cubs need apply for any position, because, "They get It".

Thanks its a great dream

by FlaCub on Oct 17, 2006 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lou Piniella will be just fine
I could care less if Sweet Lou is a great public speaker or bedazzles in the use of the English language.  He is here to manage a baseball club, not join the debate team.  Jim Leyland and Ozzie Guillen aren't exactly great communicators.  It doesn't matter.  

The sabermetrician geeks and the "play the kids regardless if they're are good or not crowd" are just gunning for a fight.  What you will find in Sweet Lou, unlike Dusty, is a manager who doesn't give a rip what people have to say concerning his managerial philosophies.  

Let Sweet Lou have a crack at this thing.  If Hendry actually gets him some players and Mark Prior can get over his three year bout of vaginitis, then this might be an entertaining and decent ballclub in 2007.  

by BlueMike on Oct 17, 2006 1:28 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree...
oh yes, and one more thing:

midgets

PINIELLA!

by theprognosticator on Oct 17, 2006 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If I buy you
 a life size barbie and put izturis's face on it, will you stop posting?
"I respect the mind's power over the body, it's why I do what I do" - Dr. Jonathan Crane

by Faith plus 1 on Oct 17, 2006 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Someone, someday....
is going to manage the Cubs to a world championship.  It might as well be Lou Piniella. I'm behind him.
"Don't complain to me about the stormy weather, boys. Just bring the ship into port." --Steve Stone, September 2004

by ctcoff99 on Oct 17, 2006 11:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let the Record Show...
Theprognosticator posted, "If Piniella gets hired, I'm gonna PUKE."

But he wisely recanted this statement.

Beat Iowa in all sports. Go Illini!

by TheEman on Oct 17, 2006 1:42 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I did...
...then I remembered I dislike puking.

Acceptance is far better than vomit.

In fact, I'm totally on board now after MIDGETS AND the video with Lou chucking first base across the field.

PINIELLA!

by theprognosticator on Oct 17, 2006 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

"I havn't vomited since June 29, 1980."
--Jerry Seinfeld
"Don't complain to me about the stormy weather, boys. Just bring the ship into port." --Steve Stone, September 2004

by ctcoff99 on Oct 17, 2006 11:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

or
"Vomit free sine '93"

Ted Mosely, Architect

by flyball on Oct 18, 2006 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

2.77 Years...
Average number of years Cubs managers stay since club beginnings.
Beat Iowa in all sports. Go Illini!

by TheEman on Oct 17, 2006 1:44 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

uh oh
PINIELLA!

by theprognosticator on Oct 17, 2006 2:05 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I've deleted
my diary summary of the press conference because of the childish behavior of some posters on this site.
Piniella is the sympton, not the disease

by Josh77 on Oct 17, 2006 2:06 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

why?
I liked your summary.
PINIELLA!

by theprognosticator on Oct 17, 2006 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thank you.
Maybe they'll learn someday.

BTW, Josh, there's a typo in your sig.

by Al on Oct 17, 2006 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes,
I can't believe that someone called it a deformity, Josh.
"We need eight midgets to walk every at bat" -- Lou Piniella

by Sarah Hope on Oct 17, 2006 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Question about possible ARod trade

Just wondering about your
opinions out there.
Who (and how many) do you think the Yankees
would ask for in return for
Rodriguez ??
Cubspizza

by quarryfan on Oct 17, 2006 2:18 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Ladies and Gentlemen, YOUR 2007 Chicago Cubs!
 
CF - Tattoo
SS - Mini Me
1B - Doc
3B - Dopey
LF - Sneezy
RF - Happy
C  - Mayor of Munchkinland
2B - Steve Cauthen
P  - C. Zambrano
Lover of base-clogs.

by Goat Whisperer on Oct 17, 2006 2:44 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Why keep Z?
Or is the other Carlos Zambrano?
Cubbie Blue will always sPaRkLe in my eyes, but please stop losing. PLEASE!

by sparkles721 on Oct 17, 2006 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You forgot Augie Ojeda
Unfortunately Eddie Gaedel is dead but somewhere
he and Bill Veeck are smiling
( sorry kids on blog that won't mean anything to you)
I love the ballpark. I love the city. I love the fans. Aside from how we've played this year, there's nothing not to like about Chicago." Greg Maddux 7/29/06

by jessica on Oct 17, 2006 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What's this?
The oompa loompa's didn't make the roster??

by wicubfan on Oct 17, 2006 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Al, can you be a little more hyperbolic?
Piniella, as has been discussed at length here, is a very, very similar manager to Dusty Baker in terms of how he approaches lineup construction, use of young players, and use and abuse of starting pitchers and bullpens.

I think this is way, way off.  Baker was in a league of his own when it came to strategy and love of veterans.  Piniella is pretty much your typical manager when it comes to most tendencies.  If he has a fault in terms of field decisions, it's predictability.

David Geiser

by dvdmgsr on Oct 17, 2006 2:51 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

1969 Rookie of the Year
Lou was Rookie of the Year with the
Royals in 1969. He hit 11 home runs
that year.
One of them was hit off Denny McLain.
Just thought some of you would want to
know that interesting tidbit.....lol

       

Cubspizza

by quarryfan on Oct 17, 2006 3:14 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yes, but...
if you look at McLain's career and life after his 30-win season in 1968, it is not exactly a Hall of Fame career, or a Hall of Fame life.
"Don't complain to me about the stormy weather, boys. Just bring the ship into port." --Steve Stone, September 2004

by ctcoff99 on Oct 17, 2006 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cubs have backbone now!
There will be no BS tolerated on a Lou Piniella managed club.

by SlamDog on Oct 17, 2006 3:23 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The first domino has fallen
Now Hendry, who looked very sober during the PC, has his work cut out for him. I was suprized Piniella, after being announced, didn't look and Hendry and ask him why he was still there and not on the phone to Sorano, Cashman, Boras etc etc...

As for the comments about shiny happy Pinniella during the PC. The dungeon in Wrigley is hot and very stagnent. Give him a break.

You're never a loser untill you quit trying - FortuneCookie

by Scott G F on Oct 17, 2006 3:25 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Bernie's
Yesterday a camera crew was following Hendry
and Piniella and a few others outside Wrigley
Field.
They were crossing the street on Clark
near Waveland heading right towards
Bernie's.
Wonder if they stopped for a beer ??
Cubspizza

by quarryfan on Oct 17, 2006 3:31 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Offseason gameplan
My theory on what might happen....
  1.  Re-sign Juan Pierre to play CF
  2.  Re-sign Aramis Ramirez to play 3rd
  3.  Sign Alfonso Soriano to a $90 million deal to play LF
  4.  Sign Ray Durham to play 2nd
  5.  Sign either Ted Lilly or Gil Meche for the starting rotation
  6.  Trade Matt Murton and Felix Pie for pitching
  7.  Pierre - CF
  8.  Durham - 2nd
  9.  Soriano - LF
  10.  Lee - 1st
  11.  Jones - RF
  12.  Ramirez - 3rd
  13.  Barrett - Cat
  14.  Izturis - SS
Rotation...Zambrano, Hill, Lilly/Meche, Starter acquired in Murton/Pie deal, Pussy Prior

by BlueMike on Oct 17, 2006 3:46 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't think Pierre is staying
Given the choice, and I know it's not pick and choose because one player is likley gone before the other, why not sign Soriano instead of paying big money for pierre. I know that's what you think will happen, but sources are already hinting that Pierre will test FA. My feeling is if the cubs strike out on Soriano they might go hard after Sarge, Jr. If that's the case, they should have mucho bucks to spend on better pitching than Meche/Lilly.

by cashcowsquirtingsourmilk on Oct 17, 2006 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Line up
Let Pierre walk, God knows he never did when he was a Cub.  Sign Soriano as a FA.

I would like to see maybe Barrett, Jones and some pitching to Toronto for Vernon Wells and another player.  

Barrett is a good hitter, but is a sieve behind the plate.  I feel Henry Blanco on a regular basis would be an upgrade.  You lose some offense, but he can keep in check a running game, handle a pitching staff, and, play defense behind the plate.  I think Wells for Barrret, you gain a little offense and better defense behind the plate and in CF.  Wells could cover a multitude of sins by the corner outfielders.

I would like to find a good solid infielder, but give Theriot the chance to play second.  I think Murton is a keeper.  If he could hit .297 with our batting coaches, think what he could do with a competent hitting coach.  His arm couldn't be any worse than Jones' arm is.

That leads to a lineup like so:

Theriot 2B
Soriano LF
Wells CF
Lee 1B
Ramirez 3B
Murton/? RF
Izturis SS
Blanco C
Pitcher

You could get 40 HRs from Soriano, Wells, Lee, and Ramirez.  Add another 20 or so from Murton and this could be a potent offense.

Now, if we can get some pitching.

Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. -- George Santayana (1863-1952)

by cubfred on Oct 17, 2006 8:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hendry on XM
He said Ryno expressed his interest in the job.  I prefer Lou at this point.  I agree with Al that Lou sounds a lot like Leo, but I liked Leo.  Maybe the combination of an ass-kicker and some new asses to kick will bring some results.    

by 3fingerbrown on Oct 17, 2006 5:13 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm just glad
to know that here are some other people (besides me) on here that actually remember Leo.

by jazzman56 on Oct 17, 2006 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Durocher
most of what I knew about him came from that book published in 2000- "Durocher's Cubs: the greatest team that didn't win"

by cashcowsquirtingsourmilk on Oct 17, 2006 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Leo
I missed him by a few years. First Cub manager I really remember is Herman Franks. Maybe if Piniella doesn't work out we could get Herman to make a comeback.

by danimal15 on Oct 17, 2006 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Franks
If Piniella doesn't work out:

Herman Franks comeback!

He's ready, he's rested, he's 92!

by danimal15 on Oct 18, 2006 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I remember Durocher
And had been to my first Cub game in '68. In '69 I was at overnight summer camp, I'd only find out about W or L's by getting 3-day old newspapers in the mail! I didn't even know about Holtzman's no-no that year until I got the days-old paper.

Actually, Duroucher got a bit of flack that year b/c he visitied his daughter (or maybe grandaughter) who was also at an overnight camp in Wisc.. He just took a couple days off in the summer!

Beat Iowa in all sports. Go Illini!

by TheEman on Oct 17, 2006 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Prior will not be traded
because his value is ZERO until he shows he can throw a ball from the mound to homeplate.  Although an especially impressive towel drill followed by a thrilling simulated game might do the trick.

by TR on Oct 17, 2006 5:22 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Maybe he could be...
... traded to the Towel League.

by Al on Oct 17, 2006 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Poor Q's by press corps
No one asked Pinella the obvious thing fans want to know:

What have you identified as Cubs' biggest needs to improve--pitching, offense, outfield, can you be specific??

Surely he must've got into with Hendry how he feels about:
*Pierre as CF
*A-Ram
*middle INF of Izturis-Cedeno
*Barrett
*Jones-Murton as corner OF
not to mention the pitchers!! Doubt Pinella has strong feelings on any of the youngsters but will want to build around Big Z.

by writerinwrigley on Oct 17, 2006 5:42 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

OK, I just got home from working all day.
And I just got the news.

I don't know if Piniella will be good or bad. He's got a good track record (obviously). He's not a Sabremetrics kind of guy (which I lean to, but don't).

But he's obviously a big league coach. I'm not going to get too upset about what happens for awhile. In fact, I'm going to do what I can to not get upset for another 3 years.

That said, it seems we've got 2 choices here.

  1. Try and push for a massive change and build a winning team now and go for the gold in 2007.
  2. Don't blow things up and build for the future.
Either way is possible, but #1 is less likely, due to various reasons.

So bet on #2 and if you're lucky, you might just end up with #1.

In that case, why get rid of ARam and Z for ARod. Get rid of a good 3rd baseman who can hit and you're only ace for a good 3rd baseman who can hit? That seems really stupid. For that matter, trading ARam for ARod seems pretty much a wash. I don't think ARod would add that much more to the team. Maybe he would, but I just don't think so.

So where are we? Do we trade Z for ARod at SS? That also seems stupid. You're only ace for a SS? Nope.

None of those decisions make sense if you're trying to build for the future, unless you get some really good AAA pitchers in the deal. And I don't see that happening. Even then...

Getting ARod would be nice. A good hitting SS would be super sweet. I just don't know what we have to offer the Yankees. Now they may just want to get rid of him. And I suspect he doesn't want to be there anymore. Maybe we can get a sweet deal out of it. He wouldn't be super expensive either way.

But getting rid of Z and ARam for ARod doesn't work form my scenario #2 and it certainly doesn't work for scenario #1.

Something else has to happen. I'm not saying it won't. But I just don't like the possibilities that have been tossed around.

phat

by phatass on Oct 17, 2006 11:52 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm going to reply to myself here
As I thought about this a little more.

What do the Yankees need?

I don't quite know, but I understand they need starting pitching.

What do the Cubs need? Well, I think we need another  big bat and more starting pitching.

The only way to satisfy both teams would likely be a multi-team trade, I think. Maybe some AAA action. I don't know what kind of prospects the Yankees have, but it doesn't seem to make sense to go for prospects and ARod for proven players like Z and ARam.

phat

by phatass on Oct 17, 2006 11:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And one more thing
Getting rid of Murton is just a bad idea.

phat

by phatass on Oct 18, 2006 12:02 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed
on the murton aspect.  And pretty much everything else.
Forget about '07. Let's wait until 2008!

by secdelahc on Oct 18, 2006 4:03 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We just
have to keep Murton. IMO. I'd like to keep The Riot too.
Go Hawkeyes...Beat Michigan!!!

by sue369 on Oct 18, 2006 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

STOP BASHING GIVE HIM A CHANCE
Look... Piniella hasnt even managed one game yet people are saying what hes gonna do how much he is like Dusty   and all the other bull...Geez... we just had 6 months of DUsty bashing give it a rest.... lets see what this  guy can do ....
Lets see what Hendry does since the trib is opening  up  the vault apparently and then start bashing in JAnuary if something hasnt happened.... Lou wasnt my first choice but hes a good choice  it looks like no nonesense  and no babying anymore so lets give it  a chance and see what the guy can do before you all start criticizing him...I personally am worn out from criticizing Baker for  a season and I sure the hec am not gonna start on this guy  after one press confernece  geez... he was sure better than dusty in a  press conference  at least he sounded  honest and from the heart...  so if these blogs are gonna bash this guy before he gets  achance i guess ill take a vacation from this site

by edo4cubs on Oct 18, 2006 1:36 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree..
piniella
PINIELLA!

by theprognosticator on Oct 18, 2006 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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