The Piniella backalsh has begun!
You knew it was coming, but you think they'd let him manage a few games first:
Brief excerpt:
Besides pissing off the players, Piniellas' tantrums will quickly get under the skin of the umpires. Do you think the Cubs got bad calls before, just wait until Piniella ticks off the umpires.
Anyone here wanna take credit for this one?
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of SB Nation, Bleed Cubbie Blue, or Al Yellon, editor-in-chief. FanPost opinions are, however, valued expressions of opinion by passionate and knowledgeable baseball fans.
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i don't see
by tomas21 on Oct 19, 2006 2:34 PM CDT 0 recs
Sure...
kasey
by kaseyi on Oct 19, 2006 2:47 PM CDT 0 recs
You may be right
I don't mean the talking nice about the manager that just got fired stuff (see Girardi), I'm talking about players that played for him 10 or more years ago that say he is still the best manager they ever played for.
And I don't think holding players accountable is a bad thing...on a regular basis. You can take that and the temper thing too far...like with Billy Martin, who combined a temper, a drinking problem and the result was that he was totally out of control. He put WAY too much pressure on his players. Yes, he won a lot of ball games, but there is also a reason he got fired so many times. Punching your players is never a good thing.
Hey, everyone wants to win. What I was struck by in Lou's PC was how much he emphasized how he wants his players to have fun, play fundamental baseball and hustle. And how he likes to create an atmostphere where his players can relax and perform to the best of their abilities.
To me, that is most of the challenge of being a manager. If he can do that, if he has the right mix of talent and experience, and a good coaching staff, he will win ball games.
by jazzman56 on
Oct 19, 2006 3:09 PM CDT
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I'll have to agree with this.
Next step: getting better players.
by Al on
Oct 19, 2006 3:10 PM CDT
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Completely agree
by 10 14 23 26 on
Oct 19, 2006 3:21 PM CDT
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oh
"...does not mean he doesn't have a temper. You would have to see him in the clubhouse to have any sort of feel for that"
so you played for dusty? what position did you play for him? have we heard of you? i didn't realize we had an ex-player in our midst. exciting.
by tomas21 on
Oct 19, 2006 3:43 PM CDT
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I think that may carry a little more weight than the mindless and baseless speculation I have seen on here that Dusty is passionless.
I assure you, he is not.
by jazzman56 on
Oct 19, 2006 6:26 PM CDT
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I agree
by JFCubFan on
Oct 19, 2006 6:44 PM CDT
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I agree!
by Macy on
Oct 20, 2006 12:02 AM CDT
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Whatever!
by Maddog on
Oct 19, 2006 4:22 PM CDT
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Care
by jazzman56 on
Oct 19, 2006 4:24 PM CDT
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I would
by Faith plus 1 on
Oct 19, 2006 5:05 PM CDT
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Well
by jazzman56 on
Oct 19, 2006 5:08 PM CDT
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while you
just for fun, look at the posts you make, and count back to see how far you have to go to find one where you aren't disagreeing with someone.
by tomas21 on
Oct 19, 2006 5:37 PM CDT
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whoops
by tomas21 on
Oct 19, 2006 5:40 PM CDT
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Well
So, as usual, you are wrong. It only seems to you like my posts are mostly disagreeing with someone, because the posts I make in response to you are that way. And that is because you are so often wrong, as is the case here.
by jazzman56 on
Oct 19, 2006 5:52 PM CDT
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as usual
You get the gist of what Tomas is saying, you don't have to be a jag and litreally go back to the last 2 posts, you've been argumentive upside and down on here.
by Faith plus 1 on
Oct 20, 2006 1:02 AM CDT
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Uh,
This was his issue, not mine. Get over yourself.
by jazzman56 on
Oct 20, 2006 1:16 AM CDT
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Get over MYSELF?
As I said in another thread, I'm going to give you the same treatment you give everyone else that disagrees with you, go away.
by Faith plus 1 on
Oct 20, 2006 1:21 AM CDT
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Perhaps
I wasn't dismissing anybody.
I was interested in starting a thread about the interesting issue over whether Randolph erred by not bunting the runners over in the 9th inning of the game tonight, and it was being stifled by someone who felt a need to demonstrate that he has read some articles on baseball prospectus.
It was a perfect opportunity to talk some baseball, but I can now see that isn't what this blog is really about. It's about a bunch of self proclaimed "experts" spouting a lot of articles they have read, but don't really comprehend, in a fruitless attempt to convince themselves and others that they really do have some insight. When you objectively measure the signal to noise ratio on here, it is really pretty poor.
by jazzman56 on
Oct 20, 2006 1:35 AM CDT
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and it was being stifled by someone who felt a need to demonstrate that he has read some articles on baseball prospectus.
It's not just Baseball Prospectus, and you should probably read some of those articles too. But in your case, I guess the phrase ignorance is bliss applies.
by VS on
Oct 20, 2006 1:47 AM CDT
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VS's baseball knowledge
by Faith plus 1 on
Oct 20, 2006 11:45 AM CDT
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and
by jazzman56 on
Oct 20, 2006 1:21 AM CDT
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Sorry
by Faith plus 1 on
Oct 20, 2006 1:22 AM CDT
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Yeah.
by Maddog on
Oct 19, 2006 6:03 PM CDT
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If that's
First of all, I mistook the thread, I thought you were responding to me. Secondly, I agree with you, but at least I went to the trouble to add some thoughts I had about it.
To me, even if I agree with you, to make that kind of a flip statement without contributing anything is just lame.
by jazzman56 on
Oct 19, 2006 6:09 PM CDT
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Why?
This has been beaten to death here and elsewhere over the past week or so. It's time for people to move on. Maybe Piniella works out and maybe he doesn't. Not one of us knows.
by Maddog on
Oct 19, 2006 6:27 PM CDT
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OK
I do understand the frustration, BTW.
by jazzman56 on
Oct 19, 2006 6:33 PM CDT
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Yes, it's OK to do that.
And I probably should have ignored it. A better person would have.
by Maddog on
Oct 19, 2006 7:18 PM CDT
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Maddog
by cashcowsquirtingsourmilk on
Oct 19, 2006 6:40 PM CDT
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There's a link
Or here's the link.
by Maddog on
Oct 19, 2006 7:19 PM CDT
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And yet...
BCB'ers are funny.
You guys argue and whine about EVERYTHING!
(even when no name, thoughtless college kids argue with themselves you guys get mad)
I FRIGGIN' LOVE IT!!!
I know Al once said something about people coming here for insight, but I have to admit, I come here as much for the entertainment as well.
Thanks bleedcubbieblue.com
by tyger1147 on
Oct 19, 2006 6:18 PM CDT
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uh huh
You guys argue and whine about EVERYTHING!
And you're better than us how?
(even when no name, thoughtless college kids argue with themselves you guys get mad)
You're an ass. Take your better than thou attitude and shove it.
by Faith plus 1 on
Oct 20, 2006 1:04 AM CDT
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I think
There is no point in opposing Piniella now. It's time for us all to give him our support. (There will be plenty of time to turn on him later, ha ha ha.)
I promise not to call for Lou's head if he doesn't win the World Series next season.
by Josh77 on
Oct 19, 2006 8:59 PM CDT
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i think
by tomas21 on
Oct 19, 2006 9:12 PM CDT
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This is horsecrap
As a wise man once told me, "those who CAN'T because of shortcomings, weakness and insecurity usually are the first in line to take pot shots at those who CAN."
by BlueMike on
Oct 19, 2006 9:18 PM CDT
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I work the second shift...
Still amazes me when I see the glue.
by theprognosticator on
Oct 20, 2006 12:19 AM CDT
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Unfair and unwarrented
Give him a chance and see what happens. Let him manage a team that, hopefully, is in the process of being built now by Jimmmy "Doughnuts" Hendry.
A better site would have been the Hendryhastogo.com
I think Piniella will prove you wrong!
by Scott G F on Oct 19, 2006 3:08 PM CDT 0 recs
Piniella has a history...
BTW, Hendryhastogo.com is available. You can start up your own website to promote your views.
by kaseyi on
Oct 19, 2006 3:16 PM CDT
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Yes
You are entitled to disagree with his choice as Cubs manager, but you can't fault his resume.
by jazzman56 on
Oct 19, 2006 3:30 PM CDT
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and Dusty
BTW, I wanted Macha back then, but that didn't happen. We got Dusty, the guy with the impressive resume. The guy who got the Giants in the playoffs year after year. The guy who came close to winning the World Series against the Angels. And where did that resume get us?
by kaseyi on
Oct 19, 2006 3:43 PM CDT
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Yes
But, the Giants took a flyer on Dusty when the sum total of his managerial experience was in the Arizona Fall League. And that worked out pretty well.
I think the real answer to this lies in Hendry's status. If he was more secure in his position, he might be willing to go for a riskier choice...Washington, Acta or even Girardi. But, since he knows he used up his mulligan on Baker, he goes for the guy with the resume, and I don't blame him.
by jazzman56 on
Oct 19, 2006 3:50 PM CDT
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CSN
by sue369 on Oct 19, 2006 3:42 PM CDT 0 recs
If...
by Al on
Oct 19, 2006 4:20 PM CDT
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See this is
But, I don't get why people seem to think he is not a good choice (or is a good choice) based on whether he argues with managers and goes bezerk doing it or not.
Earl Weaver did that and was a great manager. Lary Bowa did too, and he was a lousy manager.
I don't think it means anything of substance one way or another. It may help fire up your team in one specific game situation, but beyond that it means buptkis.
I would like to hear reasons why people think Piniella is a bad choice with no mention of temper, base-throwing or arguing with umpires.
by jazzman56 on
Oct 19, 2006 4:31 PM CDT
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I think many of those....
by Al on
Oct 19, 2006 4:39 PM CDT
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Yes
I also think it is pretty unfair to evaluate Piniella based on his stint with Tampa Bay.
I would be even more impressed with a similar dispassionate analysis of Piniella's stints in Cincinnati or Seattle, which I feel have more similarity to the situation he is coming into in Chicago.
By the way, does anybody remember who Tampa Bay's first manager was when they came into the league? Larry Rothschild, if memory serves.
by jazzman56 on
Oct 19, 2006 5:02 PM CDT
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Perhaps...
(I'd ask JD, the Reds guy, but I think he was in junior high when Piniella managed there.)
by Al on
Oct 19, 2006 7:17 PM CDT
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I've heard Scotty Bowman described
But monstly, it is much too early to start bashing him. This is precisely the negative undercurrent that former players and coaches have cited when complaining about some of the fans. It is completely unwarrented. He hasn't even been given a chance.
by NO100 on Oct 19, 2006 3:54 PM CDT 0 recs
I thought he got along with most players ?
but it does seem from what I have read that he generally
got along well with players which I for one consider VERY
important. I thought it was funny that the umpire
involved in the base throwing incident was our old
friend C.B Buckner. I took that as a good sign
Personally I think Girardi, Brenly, Boche and a few others
would have been better but he gets a season's grace
now
FYI I am gonna get KILLED fo this but I might as well
confess now that I don't mind Rothschild being kept
I can't explain it and I certainly would have preffered
poaching Mike Maddux but none the less I don't
think of this as a horrible thing
by jessica on Oct 19, 2006 4:00 PM CDT 0 recs
More
involved in the base throwing incident was our old friend C.B Buckner. I took that as a good sign."
I also thought it interesting that what some sour pusses on here took as a smirk on Buckner's face was CLEARLY C.B. fighting to keep from laughing at Lou's antics. That put the whole incident in a different light for me.
Agree about Rothschild and did you stop to consider that maybe Maddux is happy in Milwaukee and feels some loyalty towards the manager there, which is the case from all reports I have heard?
by jazzman56 on
Oct 19, 2006 4:06 PM CDT
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Loyalty runs in the Maddux family
but I was just saying I wanted him, Hey i REALLY want
Jarmello ( sic) but that ain't gonna happen either
by jessica on
Oct 19, 2006 4:15 PM CDT
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childish and unjustified
by Faith plus 1 on Oct 19, 2006 5:02 PM CDT 0 recs
Al...DELETE this thread
by BlueMike on Oct 19, 2006 9:19 PM CDT 0 recs
you
thing is, i bet the guy who works in the horse-rendering plant is more enjoyable to be around than you. i bet the horse plant guy wouldn't be universally disliked, be repeatedly asked to elave, and beg or sneak back into a message board.
by tomas21 on
Oct 19, 2006 9:27 PM CDT
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Bush league
by BlueMike on
Oct 20, 2006 8:47 AM CDT
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Why??
by sue369 on
Oct 20, 2006 2:23 PM CDT
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In who's eyes
That's like Bill Gates being belittled by a run of the mill basement dwelling hacker.
by Faith plus 1 on
Oct 20, 2006 3:16 PM CDT
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