Open Thread: 2006 World Series, Game 4

by Al Yellon on Oct 26, 2006 5:06 PM CDT in Interviews

They'll try it again tonight, weather permitting, and it still doesn't look very good.

Gameday: Tigers at Cardinals, 7 pm CT. (Cardinals lead series 2-1) TV: Fox

Discuss amongst yourselves.

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Most boring world series ever.

"Incidentally, Colossus was right and I was wrong about Maddux being dealt." -Al Yellon

by colossus @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Oct 26, 2006 5:17 PM CDT reply actions

Oh, no it's not.

Here, right off the top of my head, are several that were more boring:

2000, 1999, 1998, 1990, 1989, 1988.

That was about five seconds of thought. I could think of others.

This one's not over yet. Maybe it'll get better.

by Al Yellon on Oct 26, 2006 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions

Overall, the 1988 World Series may not have been the most exciting, but Game 1 of the series is one of the more memorable World Series games of my lifetime, at least. Even before the Gibson home run, it was a close, exciting game, and there is a reason they still run it on ESPN Classic quite a bit. After that, though, it was boring.

"Don't complain to me about the stormy weather, boys. Just bring the ship into port." --Steve Stone, September 2004

by ctcoff99 on Oct 26, 2006 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions

maybe

but it's only been 3 games so far. who knows? maybe it'll end up being one of the best. I'm rooting hard for a game 7 with a balmy 49 degree night in Detroit, whenever that might be.

by cashcowsquirtingsourmilk on Oct 26, 2006 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions

What's the record...

...for most games rained out during a World Series?

by SiValleyCubFan on Oct 26, 2006 5:20 PM CDT reply actions

In...

... 1975, the famous game 6 was rained out three days in a row.

There were also three straight rainouts in San Francisco in 1962, as well as the 10-day postponement in 1989 for the earthquake.

by Al Yellon on Oct 26, 2006 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions

I know it wasn't due to weather, Al,

But when did the 2001 Series end? Wasn't it sometime in November?

Go, Tiggers!

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by Littlerock Rynofan on Oct 26, 2006 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions

Yes.

As most of you remember, the 2001 season was interrupted for a week due to the 9/11 attacks.

This resulted in the latest-ever regular season games at many parks, including Wrigley Field (Oct. 7), and the 7-game World Series ended on November 4.

by Al Yellon on Oct 26, 2006 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions

2001

Although 1986 and 1991 were great, 2001 was the greatest World Series of my lifetime. No question. Maybe of all time.

"Don't complain to me about the stormy weather, boys. Just bring the ship into port." --Steve Stone, September 2004

by ctcoff99 on Oct 26, 2006 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions

I'd rank...

... 1986 above 2001, because of the way in which game six ended.

1975 trumps both of them.

by Al Yellon on Oct 26, 2006 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions

Ranking

I think I'd rank 2001 over '86, partially because Game 7 was much closer and more exciting in 2001 and partially because I'm the designated Yankee hater.

When trouble arises there is always one individual who perceives a solution and is willing to take command. Very often, that individual is crazy. - Dave Barry

by Jesse Guam on Oct 26, 2006 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions

I was rooting for Mark Grace....

but games 4 and 5 at Yankee Stadium when Tino Martinez and Scott Broscious hit the home runs in the bottom of the ninth were incredible. I am no Yankee fan by any stretch, but what they did in that series, especially in the wake of 9/11, I had to admit that they were brilliant in defeat. And the way Arizona snatched victory from the jaws of defeat by beating Mariano Rivera, and seeing Mark Grace be able to celebrate a world championship was amazing. Best World Series I have ever seen.

"Don't complain to me about the stormy weather, boys. Just bring the ship into port." --Steve Stone, September 2004

by ctcoff99 on Oct 26, 2006 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions

There is no question...

... that the 2001 WS ranks right up there with the all-time best.

Having been around for '75 and '86, I'd rank both of those slightly higher.

I failed an exam in college because I stayed up late to watch game 6 in '75. Well worth it, too.

by Al Yellon on Oct 26, 2006 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions

'91

Where would you rank the '91 World Series? I don't remember it too well, but I remember game 7 was pretty exciting.

When trouble arises there is always one individual who perceives a solution and is willing to take command. Very often, that individual is crazy. - Dave Barry

by Jesse Guam on Oct 26, 2006 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions

that's when Derek Jeter

was given the name 'Mr November' for his game-ending HR in game 4.

It was so warm that year in NY, by the way, that people were eating at sidewalk cafes at night- in November. of course you could still smell the burning stench within a few miles of GZ.

by cashcowsquirtingsourmilk on Oct 26, 2006 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions

Boring or not, whatever happens......

GO TIGERS!!!!!

"Don't complain to me about the stormy weather, boys. Just bring the ship into port." --Steve Stone, September 2004

by ctcoff99 on Oct 26, 2006 6:28 PM CDT reply actions

GO TIGERS!!!!

Go Hawkeyes...Beat NIU!!!

by sue369 on Oct 26, 2006 6:53 PM CDT reply actions

Go Huskies!

j/k..:)

by wicubfan on Oct 26, 2006 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions

That's OK

they have fans too. I'm looking forward to seeing Garrett Wolfe play.

Go Hawkeyes...Beat NIU!!!

by sue369 on Oct 26, 2006 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions

Tigers 1 - 0

Go Hawkeyes...Beat NIU!!!

by sue369 on Oct 26, 2006 7:47 PM CDT reply actions

I think what's lost in this series...

Is Leyland's pick of rotation. Does anyone know why he started a rookie? I think it's the dumbest, most-overlooked decision of the Series. I hear no one talking about it.

The Cardinals suck against lefties. Nate Robertson has been good.

Here's my rotation:
Game 1 - Robertson
Game 2 - Rogers
Game 3 - Bonderman
Game 4 - Verlander
Game 5 - Robertson
Game 6 - Rogers
Game 7 - Bonderman

The way it is now, his best pitcher will only start one game. And Nate Robertson STARTS game 7!!! Granted, the cards started a rookie and got a great performance, but it's about chances, right stat guys?

Anyway, he could have made his rotation and I still don't see the logic. I haven't read anything. Has anyone?

Theriot
Murton
D-Lee
Ramirez
Iwamura
Wells
Jones
Molina
Spend the money on pitching!!!!

by tyger1147 on Oct 26, 2006 7:48 PM CDT reply actions

Umm....

this isn't just a rookie he started. He started Justin Verlander, one of the top rookie pitchers this year with great stuff.

I know he put Rogers in the spot he is in because he wanted him to pitch at home or something. I haven't read anything about anyone else.

Anyway, the Tiger offense has been listening to Dusty. They are hacking away and taking no pitches. I was screaming at the amount of pitches Carpenter threw. This may just be my imagination though since I haven't actually checked the pitches per AB(do they even have that for the WS?), but they are probably very low.

Cubbie Blue will always sPaRkLe in my eyes, but please stop losing. PLEASE!

by sparkles721 on Oct 26, 2006 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions

About Verlander...

True, he was one of the best of a rookie class.

But when you take into account the fact that the Cardinals STINK against lefties and Kenny Rogers dominance, Verlander is their fourth best pitcher-at best he's barely 3rd.

Bonderman, in general, is their best pitcher.

I just don't understand starting a rookie who is your fourth-best (or third) pitcher twice in the World Series compared with starting your best pitcher once.

Seems dumb to me. But what do I know?

Theriot
Murton
D-Lee
Ramirez
Iwamura
Wells
Jones
Molina
Spend the money on pitching!!!!

by tyger1147 on Oct 26, 2006 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions

I wondered about that too...

...however, consider that the Mets don't have anyone who throws remotely like Verlander. None of their pitchers are power guys, so starting off the World Series with a flamethrower like Verlander, who was one of the Tigers best pitchers all year, doesn't seem like such a bad idea.

by SiValleyCubFan on Oct 26, 2006 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions

You're All Wrong!

1908, baby!

Lover of base-clogs.

by Goat Whisperer on Oct 26, 2006 8:08 PM CDT reply actions

2-0

alright, good start.

by gravedigger on Oct 26, 2006 8:22 PM CDT reply actions

yep

Go Hawkeyes...Beat NIU!!!

by sue369 on Oct 26, 2006 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions

3-0 now

excellent. I'm sticking to my Tigers-in-6 prediction.

by gravedigger on Oct 26, 2006 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions

Prediction

I'm sticking with your prediction as well.

When trouble arises there is always one individual who perceives a solution and is willing to take command. Very often, that individual is crazy. - Dave Barry

by Jesse Guam on Oct 26, 2006 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions

I hope

they keep hitting and the Cards don't get any runs. Actually if they didn't get any more runs in this series would be great. :)

Go Hawkeyes...Beat NIU!!!

by sue369 on Oct 26, 2006 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions

If I were betting...

I wouldn't bet on that.

However, I have decided to be positive because I don't even want to think about the Cardinals winning. I hope your prediction comes true!

Cubbie Blue will always sPaRkLe in my eyes, but please stop losing. PLEASE!

by sparkles721 on Oct 26, 2006 8:34 PM CDT up reply actions

the tigers

will have to beat carpenter to win in 6, since i think he's slated to pitch in game 6.

by tomas21 on Oct 26, 2006 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions

I hate the Cardinals....

even more because they have Chris Carpenter. He's a great pitcher, and I even think he's cute(sorry, but he is). If he wasn't a Cardinal I would actually cheer for him.

Cubbie Blue will always sPaRkLe in my eyes, but please stop losing. PLEASE!

by sparkles721 on Oct 26, 2006 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions

No he isn't

But he is a good pitcher.

by gravedigger on Oct 26, 2006 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions

Ok...

you're a guy.

Show this: http://www.photofile.com/Photos/Photos_Of_The_Day/06_04_04/06CarpenterChrisStudioPlus.jpg
to your girlfriend or some other female. I think he's cute.

Cubbie Blue will always sPaRkLe in my eyes, but please stop losing. PLEASE!

by sparkles721 on Oct 26, 2006 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions

I don't need

a female to determine that for me :)

by gravedigger on Oct 26, 2006 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions

No he's not

He's gross. All Cardinals are gross.

"Strikeouts are boring - besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls. It's more democratic." Crash Davis

by cubbiejulie on Oct 26, 2006 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions

Thank you

by gravedigger on Oct 26, 2006 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions

he looks

kinda like glendon if glendon said no to seconds.

by tomas21 on Oct 26, 2006 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions

Are you guys serious?

I hope all the red isn't blinding.

I don't like him, but he is cute. Maybe I need my contacts instead of my glasses, but I doubt it.

Cubbie Blue will always sPaRkLe in my eyes, but please stop losing. PLEASE!

by sparkles721 on Oct 26, 2006 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions

ha!

That's kinda true. I mean, if you're gonna go with a Cardinal, at least go with Mulder. Carpenter.. no.

But now I'm always going to equate Carpenter with Rusch. shudder.

by gravedigger on Oct 26, 2006 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions

Mulder...

is in the hot category, and I would definitely pick him over Carpenter.

I can't figure out where Tomas sees the Rusch in Carpenter.

Cubbie Blue will always sPaRkLe in my eyes, but please stop losing. PLEASE!

by sparkles721 on Oct 26, 2006 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions

they

both have that "i look like i'm blushing" thing going all the time. and they aer both white guys.

that's all it takes for me to say they look similar.

by tomas21 on Oct 26, 2006 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions

CRAP!!

Go Hawkeyes...Beat NIU!!!

by sue369 on Oct 26, 2006 8:37 PM CDT reply actions

On second thought...

No, gotta have faith. We're Cubs fans, right?

by gravedigger on Oct 26, 2006 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions

yes

Go Hawkeyes...Beat NIU!!!

by sue369 on Oct 26, 2006 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions

Yes...

but I don't have that much hope to go around. Anything extra I had I mostly used up with the Twins and A's and look where those teams are.

I need time to recharge for next season.

Cubbie Blue will always sPaRkLe in my eyes, but please stop losing. PLEASE!

by sparkles721 on Oct 26, 2006 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions

I know what you mean

Somehow, I seem to have reserves.

by gravedigger on Oct 26, 2006 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions

Did you guys just hear that?

Any rookie or player making the minimum basically doubles his salary if his team wins the World Series. That's gotta be nice.

Theriot
Murton
D-Lee
Ramirez
Iwamura
Wells
Jones
Molina
Spend the money on pitching!!!!

by tyger1147 on Oct 26, 2006 8:50 PM CDT reply actions

I know it's Molina..

but that situation was begging for an intentional walk.

by wicubfan on Oct 26, 2006 9:01 PM CDT reply actions

I would give

just about anything to see Edmonds Canseco one of these routine pop ups and bounce it off his head.

"Strikeouts are boring - besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls. It's more democratic." Crash Davis

by cubbiejulie on Oct 26, 2006 9:11 PM CDT reply actions

Of a Neifi fly ball

n/t

When trouble arises there is always one individual who perceives a solution and is willing to take command. Very often, that individual is crazy. - Dave Barry

by Jesse Guam on Oct 26, 2006 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions

That would be

like Xmas, Easter, Mardi Gras, and my birthday all rolled into one play.

"Strikeouts are boring - besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls. It's more democratic." Crash Davis

by cubbiejulie on Oct 26, 2006 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions

Well

Then it's a good thing your birthday is coming up. At least sometime in the next year.

When trouble arises there is always one individual who perceives a solution and is willing to take command. Very often, that individual is crazy. - Dave Barry

by Jesse Guam on Oct 26, 2006 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions

You mean pull an Aramis?

n/t

by Al Yellon on Oct 26, 2006 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions

Well

I'd prefer that he knock it over the wall for a homerun, like Canseco did, but I'd settle for a run-scoring error.

"Strikeouts are boring - besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls. It's more democratic." Crash Davis

by cubbiejulie on Oct 26, 2006 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions

Al...

since hardly anyone is on this blog...

Do YOU have an opinion on the chosen rotation of Leyland? And do you remember hearing why he chose it the way he did?

Theriot
Murton
D-Lee
Ramirez
Iwamura
Wells
Jones
Molina
Spend the money on pitching!!!!

by tyger1147 on Oct 26, 2006 9:17 PM CDT reply actions

No...

... I can't remember if he said why he did it this way, nor do I have a particular opinion about it, except to say that the starting rotation of the Tigers isn't the reason they're losing the WS.

You can start with their atrocious defense as a pretty good reason.

by Al Yellon on Oct 27, 2006 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions

Gah

I've lost my HDTV card in my machine.. I have no idea what's happening in the game. Tigers still up?

by gravedigger on Oct 26, 2006 9:29 PM CDT reply actions

3-2

Middle of the 6th

When trouble arises there is always one individual who perceives a solution and is willing to take command. Very often, that individual is crazy. - Dave Barry

by Jesse Guam on Oct 26, 2006 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions

Thanks

Got it back up. Bonderman's coming out.. hopefully the BP can hold it...

by gravedigger on Oct 26, 2006 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions

Geez..

Sorry..I'd intentionally walk Molina here..I don't care if he is the go-ahead run.

by wicubfan on Oct 26, 2006 9:38 PM CDT reply actions

yes!

excellent Rodney.

by gravedigger on Oct 26, 2006 9:50 PM CDT reply actions

wow

Cubs need a guy like that!

by wicubfan on Oct 26, 2006 9:50 PM CDT reply actions

I gotta question LaRussa there

I thought maybe Speizio should have hit for Miles in that situation. first and third with 1 out. then Belliard could have replaced him at second. miles is pretty weak.

by cashcowsquirtingsourmilk on Oct 26, 2006 9:52 PM CDT reply actions

would have been a great spot for him

n/t

by wicubfan on Oct 26, 2006 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions

WTF

was the field wet or something? You don't see guys just fall down like that...

by gravedigger on Oct 26, 2006 10:11 PM CDT reply actions

nightmarish

granderson friggin falls down????

by cashcowsquirtingsourmilk on Oct 26, 2006 10:11 PM CDT reply actions

How lucky are the Cards?

n/t

by wicubfan on Oct 26, 2006 10:11 PM CDT reply actions

Its a good thing

they didnt play that game last night

by gravedigger on Oct 26, 2006 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions

geez

unbelievable

by wicubfan on Oct 26, 2006 10:14 PM CDT reply actions

completely

ridiculous

by gravedigger on Oct 26, 2006 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions

now a throwing error

unbelievable. an 83-win team winning the series? looks like it may happen

by cashcowsquirtingsourmilk on Oct 26, 2006 10:15 PM CDT reply actions

can't blame that on wet grass

the infield has been covered the whole time

by cashcowsquirtingsourmilk on Oct 26, 2006 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions

And haven't most of them been by pitcher?

Come on Tigers! Spread some magic sparkly dust Leyland! Your team is the magical one! The Cards are NOT magical!

I guess I'm just going to go finish my lab report.

Cubbie Blue will always sPaRkLe in my eyes, but please stop losing. PLEASE!

by sparkles721 on Oct 26, 2006 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions

triple play?

haha

by wicubfan on Oct 26, 2006 10:17 PM CDT reply actions

damn!

sigh..

by gravedigger on Oct 26, 2006 10:25 PM CDT reply actions

The Tigers

looked almost Cub-like

by Peoria Matt on Oct 26, 2006 10:27 PM CDT reply actions

I'm feeling

nauseous.

by wicubfan on Oct 26, 2006 10:27 PM CDT reply actions

It is

a familiar feeling

by gravedigger on Oct 26, 2006 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions

haha

Way too familiar..and I don't even drink much anymore.

by wicubfan on Oct 26, 2006 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions

Yea..Cubs didn't need Pudge..

Arrrgh

by wicubfan on Oct 26, 2006 10:31 PM CDT reply actions

Beautiful!

n/t

by wicubfan on Oct 26, 2006 10:38 PM CDT reply actions

Indeed

Inge can do that cool bat flip thing with his feet. I like him. That, and he tied the game.

by gravedigger on Oct 26, 2006 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions

Wasn't Wainwright..

in "It's a Wonderful Life"?..hee haw

by wicubfan on Oct 26, 2006 10:41 PM CDT reply actions

Wow..

got away with a hanging curve..

by wicubfan on Oct 26, 2006 10:43 PM CDT reply actions

Crap call.

Theriot
Murton
D-Lee
Ramirez
Iwamura
Wells
Jones
Molina
Spend the money on pitching!!!!

by tyger1147 on Oct 26, 2006 10:45 PM CDT reply actions

another crap call..

that 3-0 pitch was a strike

by wicubfan on Oct 26, 2006 10:47 PM CDT reply actions

Well

Yadi Ruth is out of the game

by wicubfan on Oct 26, 2006 10:49 PM CDT reply actions

oops

my bad..thought they pinch ran for him

by wicubfan on Oct 26, 2006 10:51 PM CDT reply actions

Yep

They look like the Cubs.

by gravedigger on Oct 26, 2006 10:53 PM CDT reply actions

Oh well

It was fun while it lasted.

by gravedigger on Oct 26, 2006 10:55 PM CDT reply actions

And of course

it has to be Eckstein, who I've spent the last couple days disparaging.

by gravedigger on Oct 26, 2006 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions

excuse me while I throw up

by wicubfan on Oct 26, 2006 10:56 PM CDT reply actions

If somehow...

David Eckstein wins World Series MVP, shouldn't he automatically get disqualified for the Holiday Inn Look Again Award?

Theriot
Murton
D-Lee
Ramirez
Iwamura
Wells
Jones
Molina
Spend the money on pitching!!!!

by tyger1147 on Oct 26, 2006 10:57 PM CDT reply actions

Yes, absolutely

That SOB is now the subject of my signature...

I hate David Eckstein.

by gravedigger on Oct 26, 2006 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions

If the lose this game...

they will not win.

Cubbie Blue will always sPaRkLe in my eyes, but please stop losing. PLEASE!

by sparkles721 on Oct 26, 2006 10:59 PM CDT reply actions

Which team are you talking about?

Don't rule out the Tigers if they're down 3-1 to the Cardinals. Remember what happened in '68. Too bad Mickey Lolich isn't on this Tiger team.

by SiValleyCubFan on Oct 26, 2006 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions

Don't forget

LaRussa has blown a 3-1 lead before. See the 1996 NLCS.

by gauchodirk on Oct 26, 2006 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions

Way off the subject, but...

This is completely having nothing to do with baseball, but I googled you and think this might be you. If you are Matt, I accidentally deleted your email from today and lost your email address. If not...nevermind! Please write again so I can talk to you! Sorry to bother you! Amy

by amymc452 on Oct 27, 2006 12:24 AM CDT up reply actions

The Tigers.

They need to have Carpenter pitch a game trying to save the Cardinals not eliminate them.

Cubbie Blue will always sPaRkLe in my eyes, but please stop losing. PLEASE!

by sparkles721 on Oct 26, 2006 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions

Cardinals

Looks like the Cardinals are going to win their 10th World Series title in the next day or two. Detroit simply doesn't have the offensive ammunition.

by BlueMike on Oct 26, 2006 11:03 PM CDT reply actions

But they do!

That's why this is so wrong. The Cardinals were supposed to have nothing and were falling apart. I mean Jeff Suppan a big game pitcher? Scott Rolen is healed? Maybe they are the magical team. :(

Cubbie Blue will always sPaRkLe in my eyes, but please stop losing. PLEASE!

by sparkles721 on Oct 26, 2006 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions