Forward To The Future
Since the dust is now settling over the departure of Dusty, and although we'd like to see a replacement named soon, it probably will take a week or two, and so today, I have some other things I'd like to say.
This post is going to be long. Really long. Really, REALLY long. And although I'd like for you to read all of it, I'll answer the question you're all wondering about first, the one I promised to address at the end of the season. Yes, I'm keeping my season tickets. Frankly, I don't think any of you would have thought I'd do anything differently, and I never have given this a second thought.
Read carefully to learn why this is so, and why there is room for differing opinions on how fans follow baseball, and why. I implore you to read this entire post -- and yes, it's pretty darn long, so pull up a comfy chair -- before you make a comment.
Stop what you're doing right now and take a REAL deep breath. No, don't just pretend. Pause for a second and DO IT. 2006 is over. This season has been horrific, not just for the play on the field, but because it has gotten many of us, who should be of one mind, one heart, rooting for our team, at each other's throats. Right now, let's lay down our swords and work together for the common goal we all want -- a Cubs World Championship. More on this later.
The reason I go to as many games as do is, of course, because I love the Cubs and the game -- and, further, because I am lucky in living where I do and have the time to do it. I (and I say I, but I know a great number of people who agree with this, most notably the friends with whom I share most of my time in the bleachers, and who you have come to know through this blog) believe in the history, the saga, the mythology, every bit of it.
To me, this is the basic difference, the thing that sets professional sports apart from all other businesses. I can't change brands, change stores. To give up the Cubs in the manner that those who think giving up season tickets is a statement of sorts, would be giving up a good deal of what I've made myself.
I don't deny the realities of this or what it means, for I have chosen this path for myself.
Anyway, the ownership of pro sports franchises -- not just the Cubs, but ANY professional sports team -- get all this for NOTHING. You can't buy mystique, you can't leverage loyalties handed down as though by genetics. My God, they have got it made.
The other great reality, the one that is seldom spoken in so many words, is that the investment of loyalty and identity in a team is a ONE-WAY INVESTMENT. It would be nice if management tossed a couple of bones in our direction now and then, but it's NOT YOUR CANDY STORE. This is the case not only for a corporate-owned team like the Cubs, but for rich-guy owned teams such as the Orioles, too. Sure, a Steinbrenner would be great as owner of the Cubs; he spends money like the proverbial drunken sailor and has a bushelful of postseason appearances and championships to show for it (and also has the allure of New York to help attract players to his team) -- but the Cubs, if sold, could just as well get as an owner Peter Angelos, a meddling fool who has ruined a once-proud franchise. Be careful, as the saying goes, what you wish for.
What I'm trying to say here is this -- you become a fan, at whatever level of intensity, entirely at your OWN RISK. You can expect, even demand, a winner, but the basic relationship allows for only one source of practical import. Even the sainted Bill Veecks of this world (well, there was only one), never took real fan input when it came to running their teams. Veeck said, in so many words, on many occasions, that his loyalty was to his partners. He was in it to make them (and himself) money, in the end. And, he always did. Lots of it. He died a very wealthy man. As much as he may have raised hackles among the majority of ownership, his investors were always satisfied in their results.
I was recently given an analogy here at BCB that read, for the most part, as follows: that I am like a man who eats at the same restaurant every day, has a terrible meal, but then upon leaving, says to the chef, "See you tomorrow for lunch", the implication being that I am willing to accept constant terrible meals just to be in the restaurant. What I'm supposed to be doing is to stop going to the restaurant and instead, bitch and moan about the meals from the outside.
That's silly on its face -- not every meal is a bad one, of course, and to further the analogy, if this were the case, then ONLY those who REFUSED to go to the restaurant AT ALL should have the right to criticize the food. That's more than silly; it's ridiculous, and my position is that I think I have a better chance of being listened to, if I flatter myself that I will be, by being there every day and being a paying customer. And "paying customer" is the operative phrase -- at one point, someone here made the ludicrous claim that I would be "given" free season tickets by the Tribune Co. Who wouldn't love free season tickets? But I pay for mine, full price, just as I have done every year for the fifteen seasons since bleacher season tickets were first created in 1992.
I have been accused of being an apologist for the Tribune Company, first, because I have taken a very small amount of their money ($180 all told, not even IRS-reportable, since I am an independent contractor, not an employee) to write short pieces for the Cubs' in-house magazine, for which ALL of the material was culled from Bleed Cubbie Blue posts, and second, because I have defended Dusty Baker beyond the point at which he, in hindsight, could reasonably have been defended.
One of the reasons I have done this is because I refuse to stoop to criticizing for the sake of criticism, or being snarky or belittling of others, or being among those who speak derisively about sports talk radio and then use in their own writings the worst elements of it.
There is no doubt that the Cub organization has fallen to a new low. This is absolutely the worst season I have ever seen, and I've seen more of it than many of you, including the 103-loss season of 1966 (at least that team had three future Hall of Famers on it -- and should have four, with Ron Santo), the 96-loss mess of 1974 after they promised us they were "backing up the truck", the 98-loss debacle of 1980 with the feckless Preston Gomez as manager, and what would surely have been a club-record-loss year in 1981 had the strike not wiped out a third of the season.
But I love baseball, and although change is absolutely needed, I also love enjoying baseball at the ballpark. For this, I have been tarred with what my detractors probably believe is an epithet, "Cubs game fan".
I wear that as a badge of honor. For what are we except fans of a game? Baseball is not just statistics to be moved around on spreadsheets, not just millions of dollars to be allocated. They are human endeavors, and meant to be enjoyed. I was pilloried a year ago because, in a game that the Cubs fell behind 7-0 in the second inning, I dared to think that maybe I could have seen baseball history, by having a no-hitter thrown by the opposing pitcher in a game the Cubs were going to lose anyway.
I was pleased to learn in this post on the Pirates blog Bucs Dugout, made a week before the season ended, that I'm not the only one who feels this way. Charlie, the proprietor thereof, is a displaced Pirates fan living in San Diego, and went to see his favorite team play in Petco Park, and nearly saw Chris Young -- even more ironically, a guy the Pirates originally drafted and let go several years ago for Matt Herges, who defines "generic middle reliever" -- throw a no-hitter against his team.
Was he happy that Joe Randa got the only hit and broke up the no-hitter? Hell no:
In the ninth, though, Young's control started to slip, and he finally started to pile up pitches. After getting Ryan Doumit to line out, he walked Jose Bautista. Then Joe Randa walked to the plate and - I didn't look this up, but I don't see how I could possibly be wrong about what I'm about to say - hit the longest home run Joe Randa has ever hit, well over 400 feet.
@#$(*ing Joe Randa. Is there anything more annoying than my night being ruined by Joe @#$(*ing Randa? The Pirates couldn't even make it up to me by, you know, winning - after Young struck out Chris Duffy and walked Jack Wilson, the Padres brought in Cla Meredith, who made Freddy Sanchez look silly on a strikeout to end the game.
Girl in front of me: You suck, Pirates!
Me: Don't rub it in.
Precisely. There's more at Where Have You Gone, Andy Van Slyke?:
(emphasis added by me)
Bingo again. No one who's a Cubs fan, least of all me, WANTS the Cubs to lose -- ANY day. But sure, if it is inevitable, why not see some baseball history?
This is what the naysayers, those who refuse to go to the ballpark, thinking that holding their money out of Tribco pockets will make one iota of difference, don't understand. There is beauty in the game we love, 130 years of history, potential records to be set each day. As WHYG,AVS said, there are hundreds of faceless losses (and wins, too) each year. Especially in a season such as this one, I'd love to see some history created, to feel a part of it.
Those of you who have actually come to the bleachers and met me know that I really am no apologist for Tribune Co. While they are not as successful as many franchises/ownerships have been over the last twenty-six seasons, as I have pointed out elsewhere, winning postseason series is almost a crapshoot. The Cubs have four berths in the twenty-six seasons of Tribune ownership. That's not great, but not putrid; not incompetent, not neccesarily half-assed. Consider, for example, the Brewers, who have ZERO appearances in that stretch, or the Tigers, who have just made the playoffs for the first time in nineteen years, and who now have three postseason appearances in the last thirty-eight years.
You might say that the Cubs have enough revenue from all sources to do better than that, and you'd be right. Further, in this day and age, any team in the market size the Cubs enjoy will always be able, with competent marketing, to make through the turnstiles what they need. Given that reality, the idea that being an intense fan reinforces mediocrity, is just plain self-serving.
But after you make the postseason, the team on the field wins you championships. Those are athletic contests played on a short leash, and at that point there is nothing the front office can do about postseason failures, as we learned in 2003.
In fact, as I have written before, it is simply not possible to "build a team to win the World Series", because the way the playoffs are set up, once you get there, it's a crapshoot.
In the eleven seasons since the wild-card format has been in use (1995-2005), how many times has the team with the best record in the regular season won the World Series? Twice -- last year's White Sox, and the 1998 Yankees. In the four times the Yankees won between 1996 and 2000, their "dynasty" phase, they had the best record ONCE -- that 1998 club.
The 2000 Yankees, in fact, won the World Series with the NINTH-best record in baseball. The 2001 champions, the Diamondbacks, won TWENTY-FOUR fewer games than the Mariners, who had the best record but were eliminated in the first round. Three straight champions -- the 2002 Angels, 2003 Marlins and 2004 Red Sox -- entered the postseason as wild cards, not even winning their divisions.
Build a team that consistently gets to the postseason -- absolutely. But you cannot say "build a team that wins the World Series every year", because that simply cannot be done under the current system. If you don't believe me, how about Baseball Prospectus? In their book "Baseball Between The Numbers", they looked at every playoff team from 1972-2005 and wrote: "There is literally no relationship between regular-season offense and postseason success."
There are a few final things I want to say about why I won't ever give up my season tickets. I keep them because I enjoy watching the game live, hearing the sounds and smelling the smells, talking with other fans around me, feeling the feeling of being part of the game, seeing history made from 0-0 to (one hopes) 95-67, or (more usually, lately, 67-95). I have made many lifelong friendships in the bleachers, and for me, that is just as much a part of the game as the play on the field. This year, of course, the Cubs have performed badly, and tested all of our patience, and unfortunately, has at times gotten us at each other's throats, and with the season now being over, I thought I'd offer an general olive branch to everyone; that record is reset to 0-0 now, isn't it?
I hold hope that the next time I go, and the times after that, and the season after that, they will play better, and thus I hope all of you will accept this olive branch, and let us all focus on the goal, which is that one day, our team will reward the loyalty I have described within this post, with a World Championship, just as Red Sox and White Sox fans were rewarded in the last couple of years.
That, of course, will need sea changes in the players and management of the Cubs. Unfortunately, management is something we all have to live with, and I defy anyone to show me a baseball team without problems. Even if we could custom select one from ownership down (and all of you have shared many, many thoughts about who you think should run this team, from ownership on down!), we would make mistakes and people would criticize our choices. No matter what you think you know about what Jim Hendry "will" do this offseason, we cannot know what goes on behind closed doors with management, and although we would like instant gratification each time a player blunders, or a wrong choice is made, all we can do is wait and see what happens, and hope that changes are afoot behind those closed doors.
Whether you believe it or not, management DOES want success even more than I do -- for it is their job to do so, and Jim Hendry, after a season like the one just ended, will absolutely feel the pressure to succeed, or his livelihood could end. However, as you well know, it takes time to make changes. The 2003 near-success and ultimate failure, I think, made us less patient, and rightfully so. There has already been change at the top, with Andy MacPhail's resignation, and the non-renewal of Dusty Baker's contract. Should Hendry also be replaced? Maybe. But again, it's their candy store and since Hendry was just contract-extended (and you know as well as I do the Cubs won't eat his contract), HE is going to have to be the one to fix this mess.
We can "hate" management if that makes us feel better, we can "hate" their choices, and of course all of us are armchair managers thinking we could do better, but the last time I checked, I do not have a magic wand any more than they do. We have to live with what we buy. I buy tickets to see baseball and regardless of whether it is good or bad, I want to see it, experience it. I don't buy tickets for wins only, I buy for an entire season, and I go out there continuing to hope for change, or cheer for the changes already made, and nine innings later, I always assess what's gone on during that one game's time. But baseball isn't just "nine innings". It is a season -- remember, I've often said, baseball is a marathon, not a sprint, and so, yes, complain, but don't throw the season away because of nine innings. Victory can be just around the corner. Some here have said they have lost hope -- but think about some of the Red Sox fans and White Sox fans, some of whom literally waited patiently six or seven decades for the ultimate victory, and never lost hope. Take some more deep breaths and let out the stink of 2006, and replace it with the hope that maybe, JUST maybe, management will sit down and decide to do this right, and that 2007 can bring us the miracle we so richly deserve.
If that could be more easily accomplished by the Tribune Company selling the Cubs, by all means, go ahead and do it. But breathlessly following each blip of TRB's stock movement, or each Tribco board meeting's results, isn't going to make this happen. They'll sell if and only if they're damn good and ready to, and not before. As I've said, it's their candy store. Yes, we pay for it, and sometimes I do think that "they" (and by "they" here, I mean both the billionaire owners AND the millionaire players) forget that's what puts them in their gated communities.
One day this team will reach the promised land of a World Championship. And when it does, I won't care, and I bet you won't either, who wears the suits in the executive suite. And when it does, I intend to be there, in the left field bleachers, cheering my lungs out and perhaps shedding a tear of joy or three.
Sometimes I wish I could write more lyrically than I do, and to close I'd like to share this post I found on a blog called "The Latest Obsession"; the post linked to my post last February about Sammy Sosa's silent goodbye to baseball, but then morphed into this sentiment, which reflects well why any of us loves baseball, and also why I love attending games in person:
Onward. To the ultimate victory we have been waiting for, from before most of our lifetimes, and that we so richly deserve.
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Lou Pinella
by BlueBooHoo on Oct 3, 2006 9:04 AM CDT 0 recs
The Show
by CoCubsFan on
Oct 3, 2006 9:26 AM CDT
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Oh no.
by Kornchex on
Oct 3, 2006 10:37 AM CDT
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There is nothing
THANKS A LOT FOR THE BOOK REPORT. How can a guy like Hendry just keep ignoring certain philosophical realities? You don't have to completely buy into the numbers crunchers to realize a lot of this stuff is reality not philosophy. Must be like politics. If you believe a certain thing you look for all data to support that view and ignore everything that disproves it.
by cubz1963 on
Oct 6, 2006 11:59 AM CDT
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peoria joe
by mike bornemann on Oct 3, 2006 9:24 AM CDT 0 recs
well said
by madog93 on Oct 3, 2006 9:25 AM CDT 0 recs
Thanks.
Stop on by if you're at the ballpark next season.
by Al on
Oct 3, 2006 9:30 AM CDT
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Nice post
by LT on Oct 3, 2006 9:25 AM CDT 0 recs
Al,
Hopefully this offseason will bring the changes that can move the Cubs towards respectability. I have my doubts. Only time will tell....
by chiboston on Oct 3, 2006 9:26 AM CDT 0 recs
Good article...
On to the offseason!
by cubbiechris on Oct 3, 2006 9:27 AM CDT 0 recs
Well Said.
It's really hard to beleive how a team can have such an effect on a person. I found myself much more cantankerous towards my fellow man simply because of how the Cubs were doing. It wasn't the person I wanted to be, and I'm glad I least realized what was happening.
I love this team and this sport, and will not stop watching the games. I understand the reality that for especially me, I make no difference to the Tribco. Living in South Dakota I put no money into their pockets whether I tune in or not, and not tuning in would be too painful to know that I MIGHT be missing history.
For me I feel the Cubs are a member of my family. My Dad has been a cub fan since 1939 and his father before that. I've been a Cub fan for 32 years. It's a way of life in my family. And asking me to stop loving the Cubs would be the same as me to stop loving my wife or daughter simply because they upset me. Not possible.
Onward towards next year, renewed hope, and a chance to once again think "Maybe this year"
by Thos on Oct 3, 2006 9:29 AM CDT 0 recs
very well done
by wccubfan on
Oct 3, 2006 3:31 PM CDT
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Great Post
I especially liked the last part of the post about where one is supposed to start to explain to a newbie what is happening and how baseball intersects with real life. Baseball is not a science. It is part art and part real life. For a summer in 1968 it helped to ease racial tensions in Detroit. People still talk about a home run hit 55 years ago by Bobby Thompson. Baseball is uniquely something special, that's for sure.
Al, in general, I pretty much agree with your persepctive towards the Cubs, management, fans, and the rest. I'm basically pretty new to this site, but I'm looking forward to the off-season and your posts on it. Great job on this site. I do enjoy coming here.
The Cubs are back to .500!! Woo hoo!
by NO100 on Oct 3, 2006 9:33 AM CDT 0 recs
"Manager-o-meter"
- Lou Pinella (groan)
- Jim Fregosi (groan)
- Bob Brenly
by BlueBooHoo on Oct 3, 2006 9:33 AM CDT 0 recs
No Joe Girardi?
If Girardi gets hired by somebody, he'll be getting paid by two teams at the same time. Sounds like a sweet deal to me.
by brianp88 on
Oct 3, 2006 9:38 AM CDT
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I think if he gets hired by another team
by NO100 on
Oct 3, 2006 9:42 AM CDT
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Rebuttal
Be careful what you wish for ladies and gentlemen. Girardi is a control freak with a penchant for burning through young arms that seemingly doesn't play nice with top quality baseball people like a Larry Benifast.
by BlueBooHoo on
Oct 3, 2006 9:48 AM CDT
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Disagree
And would you like to take a bet on when Girardi brings a pitcher back after an 82-minute rain delay next? I'm betting he won't do that again. That's the difference between him and somebody like Piniella/Baker et al. Girardi won't be afraid to change. I truly believe that. He's not perfect, but what manager is? Girardi is probably the best that we can hope for right now, let's hope Jim Hendry understands that.
Btw, great post Al, I enjoyed it! It'll be hard for the terminally cynical to refute what you've said.
by pageian on
Oct 3, 2006 10:56 AM CDT
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Dude, he doesn't know
by Perkins on
Oct 3, 2006 11:35 AM CDT
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Have you actually seen
by rlpete on
Oct 3, 2006 10:56 AM CDT
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I agree Thos...
You really nailed it right there. People often ask how can I love a team so completely that is so often bad. I always say it's part of my life. I guess it's the hope and faith that eventually, we as fans, are going to witness something truly amazing.
by cubbiechris on Oct 3, 2006 9:35 AM CDT 0 recs
It's Funny
It's October and the Bears are 4-0 (a long way to go, but it's hard not to get excited). I hope I will be watching them in the Super Bowl in January. Expectations are high for the Bulls too, and it should be a fun season at the UC. Not being a hockey fan, I cannot tell you anything about the Blackhawks, so I will refrain. Yet through this entire fall and winter, my beloved Cubs will never be far from my thoughts. And that is what sets my love for the Cubs apart from any other team that I root for. Whether it's April, June, October, or December, I'm always thinking about the Cubs.
It's hard to be optimistic after a season like this, but we're Cubs fans. And as Al said, we all wanted to see MacPhail, Hendry, and Dusty gone, and we got two-thirds of our wish. And we had a Front Office person state publicly that the Cubs will win the World Series. Laugh if you want, but I have never heard a non-player associated with the Cubs utter those words since Dallas Green. Never heard it once from Andy MacFail, still have never heard it from Jim Hendry. Somehow, the words, "hopefully we'll be competitive" fail to inspire. Still, the fact that someone had the guts to publicly state this goal to the media is a step in the right direction, albeit a small one. There is a lot of work to do. But there is reason to hope.
by ctcoff99 on Oct 3, 2006 9:41 AM CDT 0 recs
scheduling has chaned...
by madog93 on
Oct 3, 2006 9:47 AM CDT
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You're right.
by ctcoff99 on
Oct 3, 2006 12:16 PM CDT
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Girardi
by Clark Addison on Oct 3, 2006 9:56 AM CDT 0 recs
Made me rethink my position
And I miss it. Like eveyone else, I'm frustrated and angry over the deplorable shape of this team, but it's the GAME, the ENVIROMENT, the HOPE and the FRIENDS that make it what it is-the greatest game around.
I'll be back in 2007, ad I hope I get the chance to meet with you and talk about "our" team. BTW, I did pick up some of your wisdm from "Bleachers", which is a great book!
by tommy veryzer on Oct 3, 2006 10:00 AM CDT 0 recs
Exactly
You've summed up, and confirmed, what all of you "detractors" have said about you with these 15 words. If you buy regardless of quality of product, then don't complain if it's bad.
And your response to my restaurant aanlogy is silly. Why would the restaurant listen to you if they know they have NO CHANCE OF LOSING YOUR BUSINESS? The people they would listen to are customers who they have LOST but would be willing to come back.
Remember that United Airlines commercial? The boss hands out tickets to his staff to visit all their clients? Where does the boss go? To see the client that just fired them.
Also, your arguments would hold more water if they weren't weighted down by straw men:
the Cubs, if sold, could just as well get as an owner Peter Angelos, a meddling fool who has ruined a once-proud franchise.
What do we have NOW?
For what are we except fans of a game?
How about fans of a TEAM?
I was pilloried a year ago because, in a game that the Cubs fell behind 7-0 in the second inning, I dared to think that maybe I could have seen baseball history, by having a no-hitter thrown by the opposing pitcher in a game the Cubs were going to lose anyway.
Hmmm... Comebacks never happen. What happened to the Cubs just THIS WEEK? I guess that would be "impossibly rare?"
it is simply not possible to "build a team to win the World Series"
This is the worst straw man you use. No intelligent fan is asking for that. But a Braves/Cardinals level of competance is what we are asking for. While the post-season is a crap shoot, you can't play craps without chips on the table. THis team drops its chips on the floor and throws them in the street.
I appreciate your effort, but this only confirms what many of us say and doesn't represent our counterarguements.
by Ivychat on Oct 3, 2006 10:03 AM CDT 0 recs
I wish to point out...
Which is what you were saying when you said you wanted to be like the Braves or Cardinals. Without question, this should be the goal.
by Al on
Oct 3, 2006 10:34 AM CDT
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Nice job Al
The difference isn't that you both don't agree that you want the Cubs to be consistent winners, the difference is that you are not a pessimistic malcontent. Having hope doesn't make somebody wrong, but it does make them less likely to be considered an annoying jerk.
by pageian on
Oct 3, 2006 11:04 AM CDT
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Fine
A) You shouldn't have even mentioned the World Series part as it is, indeed, a straw man.
B) Your silence on the rest indicates that you agree with my take on the rest of your post. I.e. that it's filled with straw men.
by Ivychat on
Oct 3, 2006 3:09 PM CDT
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Actually, no.
by Al on
Oct 3, 2006 7:40 PM CDT
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That's...
by Ivychat on
Oct 4, 2006 10:20 PM CDT
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Not at all, since...
by Al on
Oct 5, 2006 11:43 AM CDT
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ivy
it's his board, if you always think he's dumb and hate what he says, maybe you could find a message board where there are more like-minded people, like...oh, i don't know...your own?
so, if you really think he's an idiot, then you're an idiot for arguing with him all the time.
by tomas21 on
Oct 5, 2006 11:54 AM CDT
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Well...
I don't insult him. Just his intellectually insulting ideas.
maybe you could find a message board where there are more like-minded people
Ah, yes. The coccoon idea. God forbid anyone should seek alternative thoughts. Channeling Pauline Kael?
if you really think he's an idiot, then you're an idiot for arguing with him all the time.
Maybe I can't change him, but I can influence others. To allow a ludicrous argument to stand is criminal.
by Ivychat on
Oct 6, 2006 11:20 AM CDT
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An exchange
Frankly, Al has more patience than I. If you were to come into my house with the sole purpose of insulting me, your ass would be out on the lawn by now.
Believe what you will. But show some class. Just go your way and throw a tanrum someplace else.
by tharr on
Oct 6, 2006 10:40 PM CDT
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OK, we get it
LET
IT
GO
by nextyearcub on
Oct 3, 2006 2:05 PM CDT
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Hey,
by Johnny Callison was a Cub on
Oct 3, 2006 10:30 PM CDT
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Al
Though I want the Cubs to win very badly and I get emotional wahtever the outcome, I'll still watch. I'd still keep the season tickets.
2006 will be remembered as, I hope, the bottom. The low point. It'll be our greatest reward thinking back after winning the World Series how we stuck with the Cubs thorugh the 2006 season.
Hang tough Diehards.
by Scott G F on Oct 3, 2006 10:21 AM CDT 0 recs
Nice post!
The game itself is complex, has many layers and builds interest over the years. It definitely becomes a passion, but it's also expressed by different people in different ways.
That BP book that you referenced is pretty interesting. I think your quote is from the chapter on why Billy Beane does not work in the playoffs--that's a great chapter.
I am glad that we still have loyal fans after this mess of a season. The Cubs may not (probably won't, lol) win the World Series in 2007, just too much of a mess right now, but I still have hope that they will field a team that can compete well for the playoffs. Once in the playoffs then perhaps luck will be on our side, balls will bounce our way, and a hero will come out of nowhere to rward Cubs fans for their loyalty and hope.
by DudeVf1 on Oct 3, 2006 10:27 AM CDT 0 recs
No chips on the table....
"In fact, as I have written before, it is simply not possible to "build a team to win the World Series", because the way the playoffs are set up, once you get there, it's a crapshoot."
Maybe not, but you can build a team to NOT win the WS when you sign Perez, Rusch, and Jones to multiyear deals. And you rely on pitching that spends more time in the doctor's office than on the mound.
by salparadise23 on Oct 3, 2006 10:34 AM CDT 0 recs
Yeah, I would cheer if the Cubs won
by TR on Oct 3, 2006 10:34 AM CDT 0 recs
TribCo wants to win more than you do?
The information on regular season/postseason performance is compelling, but 4 playoff berths in 26 years is putrid, incompetent and half-assed for a team with these resources. Condsider this: in that same time frame, the Yankees have made the playoffs 14 times, Boston 9 times and Oakland 10. Hell, Toronto has 5 berths, Kansas City and Seattle have 4 apiece in that same time frame. Do they have the same financial resources of Cub ownership?
TribCo is a business, and as long as the profits are rolling in from everything Cub related, they have no incentive to put a winner on the field.
by Will23 on Oct 3, 2006 10:34 AM CDT 0 recs
i'm sure
and i agree, it was very troubling that no replacement for Lee was found, or even apparently sought until far too late. makes you wonder if some of the front office goings on that eventually resulted in Macphails resignation handcuffed Hendry.
by tomas21 on
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The Manifesto of Al
You know that I see things a bit differently, but I respect your perspective on it. I of course have always been more deeply critical of the Cubs, and do to some extent withhold my support when I see them on a self-destructive spiral, as they so frequently seem to be. I see it as something like having a loved one with a drug problem. Sometimes you have to separate yourself from them to some extent, and sometimes you even have to wish that they bottom out so they will see the light and get help. In the end it's "love the sinner, hate the sin", but it's still an antagonistic relationship. I think people with my attitude are actually over-represented on the various blogs and internet venues, and have been since the Usenet days. Your fandom is grounded in real everyday experiences at the ballpark, and people like myself have less invested, so it's probably easier for us to be tough about it.
I'm encouraged by the shakeup that led to Andy MacPhail's resignation, but I still have to voice no confidence in the Cubs organization. It is deeply dysfunctional, and it will require a thorough housecleaning before the Cubs are going to be something other than a second-tier franchise. I feel bad for him, but I think Hendry's history here is such that it will be impossible for him to succeed in the short-term, and the short-term is all he has.
Internet venues for sports fans tend to be primarily critical, so the tone can sometimes be pretty negative, particularly when we are talking about a team that is considered the epitome of futility. Your site stands out because you contribute large quantities of content that very much reflects the ups and downs of the everyday fan, but still, people are going to be critical, and the Cubs offer a lot to criticize.
What's fun is seeing how this has evolved over the years. Ten years ago we were just people posting on Usenet. Now Al is recognized by the Tribune Company, and we have beat writers from the major dailies visiting here. Whether we rip the team to shreds or tend toward optimism, it's what being a fan is all about, and people are recognizing it more and more.
David Geiser
by dvdmgsr on Oct 3, 2006 10:55 AM CDT 0 recs
Excellent response
I just don't understand those who come here with such hatred and contempt for anyone who might attend a game and rail against the Cubs management and their fans every waking moment. Those are the people that should completely boycott baseball and the Cubs. It is a game. It should be enjoyed. Get mad about something that is important not whether someone chooses to spend their money watching the Cubs.
by rlpete on
Oct 3, 2006 11:09 AM CDT
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Fans of a team, but at what level of investment?
This was just the final straw in a series of events from the end of 2004 forward (such as Dusty sending Neifi! to pinch-hit with two out in the 9th in Arizona in the second game of 2005). It doesn't mean that I'm not a Cubs fan - I went to four road games, one home game (the Mets two grand-slam in one inning game), read every Sun-Times article about them, argued with friends and family about lineup construction, the bench, whether Zambrano should have been the DH in Minnesota for that Sunday game if Lee hadn't been able to come back (I thought "yes"), and read this blog and another one faithfully each day.
But the depression of actually WATCHING them suck so badly AND having to listen to Len Kasper or Ron Santo discuss it... I don't need that in my life. I turned in Sunday for the 9th inning to reach closure. And I'll start 2007 with an open mind.
A couple of weeks ago, I was in Oakland for work, and I spent what ended up being $61 ($30 ticket, $14 parking, $10 food, $7 beer) to watch the A's play the Indians. I don't particularly care for either team, but I love baseball. Major league baseball, minor league baseball, it doesn't matter. I am a fan for the joy of watching a group of people enjoy the game, and the joy of understanding and debating the strategy of the game. Dusty sucked the joy out of all of it, from Jose Macias to Freddy Bynum to Roberto "El Gasolino" Novoa.
I already have plans to go to at least four road games next year (2 at Cincinatti, 2 at either Pittsburgh or Philly), and maybe a couple of days of Spring Training. I'll sign up for Gameday Audio again so I can listen to night games from various hotel rooms when I travel for work, even though I didn't use it again after that Tokyo game. And if the crowds thin out down to the 25k level as the non-fans who are just there to find a date start to go elsewhere, I'll start going to home games again.
Thank you, Al, for setting up a mostly civilized place where I could read about my favorite team and read others share my feelings about my least favorite manager. I plan on giving the new manager, whoever he is, a fresh start in 2007.
by Invalid User on Oct 3, 2006 11:02 AM CDT 0 recs
confused
by kylejo on
Oct 3, 2006 12:13 PM CDT
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huh??
The drug addiction theme of another poster is valid for me. If I know my brother is a crackhead, do I HAVE to actually watch him smoke the crack to really love him? Am I not allowed to be disgusted by his inability to reason? Not allowed to not be around his so-called "friends" who are just there to get a freebie??
Do I really HAVE to watch Freddie Bynum make two more errors at 2B to be a "true" fan? It's no different... Dusty putting Bynum at 2B is like a junkie standing in front of a rehab center smoking a crack pipe: it's mocking.
Do I really HAVE to subject myself to 15k extra people who are just looking for a date and don't care about baseball to be a "true" fan? At the A's game I went to the other night, they drew 25k on a Wednesday night. Everybody was completely into the game, nobody was trying out pick-up lines or talking to their office trying to close a business deal. Instead, I got to have an aisle seat, the seat next to me empty, no line to use the bathroom, and was surrounded by a bunch of knowledgable fans like the majority of the people who post here.
McPhail and Dusty are gone... the team has entered a figurative rehab facility. Let's see what happens.
by Invalid User on
Oct 3, 2006 1:54 PM CDT
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do you actually pay attention
by kylejo on
Oct 3, 2006 3:03 PM CDT
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still don't get "Witnessing History"
If the arguement hinges on "they were going to lose anyway" we as cubs fans have become too insulated against the losing to know what the point is anymore.
by blueisthecolor on Oct 3, 2006 11:07 AM CDT 0 recs
That was the one home game I went to this year
I actually called the second GS out loud... My dad asked me "why doesn't he have somebody in there who can throw the ball??" After that, I wanted to see the yellow 11. I wanted them to get humiliated so badly that they'd have to have Neifi pitch the 9th inning. It was complete ineptitude, and needed to be rewarded.
The "drug addiction" analogy above rings true to me. I wanted the players, the front office, and especially the rotten manager to feel like a guy who drinks a bottle of Crown Royal for dinner and wakes up the next morning with his head in a garbage can. I wanted them to feel our pain and suffering for having to endure their stupidity out of loyalty to the team.
McPhail has felt it. Dusty has felt it. Some of the players have felt it. Life is good. Now give Z a hug and let's start planning for 2007.
by Invalid User on
Oct 3, 2006 11:22 AM CDT
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No No No No
Not 'cause you want to witness history, not 'cause "well they suck and they deserve it," not 'cause "maybe this will convince the organization that they need to do something."
Back on June 5, your guy Z toyed with the anemic Astros lineup, and for awhile, the no-hitter was a distinct possibility, while the possibility for an Astros win was remote indeed.
Still, when Preston Wilson of all people came up with the eighth inning single, I was as happy as I could be under the circumstances.
Franchises accrue--I don't know--karma, brownie points, quality rewards. Maybe they're "franchise pride" points. Whatever you call them, they are ammunition in barroom and chatroom arguments, and you give them up only very grudgingly.
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