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About Joe Girardi

Today, I am going to jump onto the Joe Girardi bandwagon.

And I am going to tell you why, because as you know, I have in the past NOT been in favor of hiring him as Cubs manager. Most of this is because of his perception as a my-way-or-the-highway sort of guy, and I have never liked those sorts of men as managers. The last Cub manager who was anything close to that was Don Baylor, and he had other problems that prevented him from succeeding -- and Baylor wasn't anywhere close to being a Lou Piniella-type, the screaming-in-your-face type that I see as the archetype of a "tough" manager.

Clearly, Dusty Baker's laissez-faire style did not work with the Cubs the last three years. It DID work in 2003, despite the fact that his lineup selections and use and abuse of the pitching staff were much the same as they were in 2006, for two reasons: first, that team did have talent, particularly pitching talent, and second, it had player-leaders in Eric Karros and Damian Miller who were able to "police" the clubhouse in a way that Baker was either unwilling, or unable, or both, to do in the rest of his tenure here without such leaders.

Joe Girardi is a leader. Of that I never have had any doubt -- this goes all the way back to his days as a player, particularly on June 22, 2002, when he was the man chosen, voice breaking with emotion, to tell a sellout crowd at Wrigley Field that Cardinals pitcher Darryl Kile had died. Here are the remarks he made that day:

"I thank you for your patience. We regret to inform you because of a tragedy in the Cardinal family, that the commissioner has cancelled the game today. Thank you.... Please be respectful. You will find out eventually what has happened, and I ask that you say a prayer for the St. Louis Cardinals' family."
Girardi was a leader then, and it was clear that he was destined to manage someday. He went and learned under Joe Torre, and was supposedly being groomed to replace Torre, only to take the Marlins job when offered. A year ago, Fredi Gonzalez and Girardi were both finalists for the job that Gonzalez got yesterday; today, in Chris DeLuca's column, we learn more about some of the reasons Girardi and Larry Beinfest didn't get along, and they had nothing to do with the celebrated tiff between Girardi and Marlins owner Jeffrey Loria:
When the front office pushed for young catcher Miguel Olivo, a White Sox castoff, to get the bulk of time behind the plate, Girardi resisted, sticking with veteran Matt Treanor. Girardi wanted the better catcher working with his young pitchers. The Marlins wanted to see more of Olivo's bat.

This is just one of many examples that caused friction.

Depending on your point of view, Girardi was way out of line or just doing his job. For a team like the Cubs, Girardi's aim was perfect. For the Marlins, it was maddening.

After the brutally honest news conference, Beinfest met privately with a few reporters from South Florida and eased up the rhetoric. He even pitched Girardi for National League Manager of the Year.

"It wasn't a fit here," Beinfest said. "That doesn't mean it won't be a fit someplace else."

I would imagine Girardi learned something from this. I would also imagine Jim Hendry has learned something from his four years with Dusty Baker in the dugout.

But here, in today's Tribune, is one of the best indicators that Girardi is the Cubs' target:

Interim club President John McDonough stressed that Hendry will be the one making the call.

"In Jim Hendry you have the right guy," he said. "And with the recent change in Dusty, this is a critical decision, finding the right guy."

McDonough declined to address specifics of the managerial search, but he said he was looking for someone who "gets" the Cubs.

"I think you have to bring in a winner who respects this franchise, this brand, the fans, the ballpark and everything that is the Chicago Cubs," McDonough said. "Someone who 'gets it.' But it has to be somebody who's a winner, somebody whose only mission, whose only goal is to win the World Series. That's a strong statement to make."

I have been pilloried here in the past for saying that people "get it", but that, in my view, IS an important factor in choosing a leader. I always knew Girardi "got it"; I was simply unsure whether he was the right fit for this team, and further, until very recently I didn't think that the Marlins were going to dismiss him, although in retrospect it has probably been obvious for a couple of months. Hey, when I'm wrong, I admit it.

McDonough is right. This move, if made, would mirror what the White Sox did when they hired Ozzie Guillen -- a popular former player who clearly has very strong views on how to be a leader. Girardi has one more year of managerial experience than Guillen had when hired; apart from that their backgrounds are quite similar -- both players of average ability who made long major league careers in part from sheer determination and hard work, and have been able to impart that view to those who have played for them.

I have long said, and I am not changing my mind here, that another retread, old-boy-network manager, a Piniella, a Fregosi, a Bowa -- what's the point? The winners of three of the last five World Series -- Mike Scioscia, Bob Brenly and Guillen -- were all first-time managers with little prior experience. With the dismissal of the entire Cubs coaching staff, including Larry Rothschild, a move I heartily endorse, it's a perfect time to start fresh, to bring in new ideas, to form a professional coaching staff rather than the manager's old playing buddies.

So go, Jim Hendry. Joe's out there. He's available. Go get him, and do it soon, so a plan can be put in place. It's time.

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Al....
you better hope that it is Joe.

Unfortunately, I think it is Piniella.  If you believe the national media, Joe is not the right fit.

I can't believe I am going to ask this (because I fed you so much crap):  What do you sources say.  I have heard from "a source" that it will be "Sweet Lou".  God help us it this is true.

he hath no fury like a cubs fan scorned

by timeforachange on Oct 4, 2006 9:18 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

*cringes*
"P-A-L-A-T-I-N-E! Go, Pirates!"

by Littlerock Rynofan on Oct 4, 2006 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have heard nothing yet.
However, I will check into this.

by Al on Oct 4, 2006 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: If you believe the national media...
If you believe the national media, Dusty Baker was a good manager who was scapegoated by ownership and driven out of town by racist fans.

So no, I don't believe the national media.

by dbt on Oct 4, 2006 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let me clarify....
the national media I spoke to was the Honorable Peter Gammons.  
he hath no fury like a cubs fan scorned

by timeforachange on Oct 4, 2006 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wish...
Unfortunately I had this "pleasure" of watching him on Steve A. last night....

I got tired of being yelled at quickly....

he hath no fury like a cubs fan scorned

by timeforachange on Oct 4, 2006 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Peter Gammons!!!!!
He's TERRRRRIBBBULLLLLL!!

Rasho Nesterovic?  TERRRRRIBBBULLLLLL!!

by Santos Sorrow on Oct 4, 2006 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

CHEEZE DOODLEZ!
"Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!" -Homer J. Simpson

by Whitebacon on Oct 5, 2006 12:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The national media
that has to play nice, one step above WGN, may "support" Baker. But the so-called baseball experts, such as insiders on ESPN, CBS Sportsline, etc. -- they mostly believe Baker was a big part of the problem in Chicago.

by cubz1963 on Oct 4, 2006 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I also heard...
on the radio (in Detroit) this morning that given the choice between Girardi and Pinella, the radio commentators thought that Lou Pinella WOULD NOT be a good fit in Chicago based on the fact that he needs the perfect situation of a team being ready for the WS and only needing a World Series-type manager to guide them.

They were generally vague about Joe G. fitting into Chicago's plans, but were much more adament that Pinella definitely WAS NOT the right fit for the Cubs, in their opinion.

I agree with them. Pinella needs the exact right situation (a team ready for the WS) and I don't think the Cubs are that situation.

Personally, I dislike Pinella's style of managing (too old-school) and much prefer Joe Girardi's style which I feel would work better with the Cubs.

Let's get him, Jimbo!

If you think you've seen it all...just wait!

by CubFanSince1970 on Oct 4, 2006 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Joe Girardi IS the guy
a benefit will be that Rick Krainitz will likely return to the organization to be pitching coach.  Krainitz knows, probably better than anybody, the young pitchers in the Cub system.  

by BlueBooHoo on Oct 4, 2006 9:20 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

That'd be good...
... but I have heard the Marlins want to retain him. All that depends on whether Gonzalez has someone in mind to be his pitching coach.

by Al on Oct 4, 2006 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Regarding new leadership
Having had experience it is impossible to determine who or what personality will be successful based on past unrelated anecdotes. Guillen, Baylor Durocher, Green, Frey, Torre, La Russa, Cox, Macha, Gonzalez it matters little....

The whole situation is that Girardi if chosen is without comparison. He will either learn as he continues successfully or under challenges and only be successful being his own person.

Here is what he brings to the table.

Knowledge of Wrigley and Chicago, he knows the fans, where to live the traffic, the Cubs organization, the nuances of the wind, the field, the weirdness associated to Cubdome.

Knowledge of pitchers...his problems with the Marlins ownership shows what he knows is important.

Knowledge of preparing for a game pitching strategy.

Knowledge of defense strategy.

Young player's mentality.

Toughness, I think Joe will be the toughest guy in the lockeroom.

What to expect, high expectations.

My guess is that OF defense will be important, relay to home will be important, running the bases will be important, situational positioning will be important, preparation for the game will be important.

How will Girardi do this. He will appoint D-Lee as on field captain and a designee like Blanco for the spanish speaking players.

Coaches. Joe will appoint some serious old timers and some new timers.

Pitching coach will be the most important appointment.

Bill Veeck planted Ivy during 'The Depression', and over time the Ivy Walls has become the most distinct symbol of Wrigley Field.

by Ivy Walls on Oct 4, 2006 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't mean to steal your thunder
Sorry about the diary I posted earlier this morning Al.  I was not trying to steal your thunder.  When I read the DeLuca article, which was supposed to be anti-Joe but made me more pro-Joe, I had to post a diary on it.  I truly believe he is the perfect person for the job.  He is well respected by all of his former teamates and would get respect from rookies and veterans.  I am glad to see that you are getting on the Girardi band wagon.  I just hope Hendry gets him and not Lou Piniela.  
The only beef I ever had with Joe was his one season in St. Louis.  I wasn't really mad at him, but I did jokingly call him a trader.  His numbers were just awful that year too and he was hurt most of the year.
"The only way to prove that you're a good sport is to lose." - Ernie Banks

by madog93 on Oct 4, 2006 9:28 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Just joshing
Based on your spelling, I have new insight into baseball.  So Joe Girardi was a "trader" for joining the Cardinals, eh?  I guess that makes Jack McKeon the Benedict Arnold of San Diego. ;)  

by zambranofan on Oct 4, 2006 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

you're right
I didn't think that looked right when I typed it.  What I meant was "traitor."  Thanks for the good natured English lesson.  I needed that.
"The only way to prove that you're a good sport is to lose." - Ernie Banks

by madog93 on Oct 4, 2006 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

But doesn't it seem
that's McDonough's comments lead you to believe it's Girardi? God help us if it actually washed-up, over-the-hill "Sweet" Lou.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Oct 4, 2006 9:29 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yes, it does...
... I do think McDonough is going to have quite a bit of input here. He already seems more "hands-on" than MacPhail. That could be a good thing OR a bad thing, but in this case, it is probably good.

McDonough knows the importance of marketing, obviously. Hiring Girardi would not only be a good BASEBALL move, but a good MARKETING move. Hiring Piniella would be neither, and I think McDonough knows that.

by Al on Oct 4, 2006 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rebuttal
The McDonough I heard on WGN Radio last night is a rah-rah corporate executive who speaks in fluid cliche speak.  God save the queen if the primary criteria for next manager is "marketing appeal."  For crying out loud, Wrigley Field has already been successfully transformed into an entertainment mecca by the Trib.  Lets hire the best BASEBALL STRATEGIST AND TALENT for the managerial role!!  Lets have a BASEBALL STRATEGY for building a perennial winning franchise.  

FUCK the marketing angle.  

by BlueBooHoo on Oct 4, 2006 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No one said...
... that marketing appeal is the PRIMARY criterion.

It is a factor, yes. But not the #1 factor.

by Al on Oct 4, 2006 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

a good baseball strategy for this team...
...does not include Lou Piniella.
hhhhiftqdaa

by theprognosticator on Oct 4, 2006 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks, Al!
Jeesh! Took you long enough!

;)

"It's hard to put your finger on it. You have to have a dullness of mind and spirit to play here." --Jim Brosnan

by cubbiejulie on Oct 4, 2006 9:32 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Sweet Lou
Is a dyed in the wool Yankee who once was a decent manager, but not any longer.  He had a 10 year run of things in Seattle, then he went to manage his hometown Tampa Bay Devil Rays (he is 30 year resident of Temple Terrace, a Tampa suburb) while secretly hoping for a phone call from George Steinbrenner for him to take over for Joe Torre.  Pinella slept through his three years in Tampa while his young and very raw team got progressively worse, not better.  Meanwhile if you examine his Seattle days you will see that hotshot young pitching arms like Gil Meche, Rafael Soriano, and Joel Piniero all had their arms break down under Pinella's watch.  

Pinella is older and lazier and grouchier and paunchier version of Dusty Baker.  Just like Dusty with the Giants and California, Sweet Lou will forever talk about the Yankees and the Gulf Coast of Florida.  He won't really want to be in Chicago.  How on earth Jim Hendry can think he is good fit for the Cubs completely escapes me.  

by BlueBooHoo on Oct 4, 2006 9:37 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I still like Brenly
But it looks like he's going to the Giants. Girardi, it seems from the McDonough interview is his man. But is it Hendry's man?

So far with all the coaching staff being let go. Hendry has made all the right moves.

Here's hoping he continues this small streak.

You're never a loser untill you quit trying - FortuneCookie

by Scott G F on Oct 4, 2006 9:44 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

If...
... Brenly goes to SF, I hope Steve Stone is IMMEDIATELY rehired for the TV booth.

by Al on Oct 4, 2006 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

al
stoney said on the score yesterday that he wanted to come back to cubs booth

by tbizzle83 on Oct 4, 2006 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good.
Another good PR move that would be extremely well-received.

by Al on Oct 4, 2006 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yea
considering we havent had a winning season since he left. i actually think brenly will be coaching this team next year. i really like joe but i just have a huntch that brenly will be the coach. i think thats why he was brought here in the first place to take over after dusty

by tbizzle83 on Oct 4, 2006 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree completely...
...the Cub broadcasts would be improved immeasurably by getting Stoney back in the booth.

Could it be in the span of less than a month we see the end of MacPhail, Dusty, Clines, Rothschild, Matthews, the return of Stone to the booth, and Joe Girardi added as manager?

If all that takes place it would be a helluva nice start to the offseason.

What am I saying? The Cubs are already off to a smashing start.

hhhhiftqdaa

by theprognosticator on Oct 4, 2006 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

if that happened
i would quit bitching by 23%.  Get rid of Hendry and its 65.

by mike bornemann on Oct 4, 2006 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Breaking news.......
Showalter out.....

How quick do you think Hicks contacts Joe?  A better question is which is a better job?  I know the Cubs are special, but Texas is closer to competing.

Thoughts?

he hath no fury like a cubs fan scorned

by timeforachange on Oct 4, 2006 9:49 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't think...
... Girardi fits well with the Rangers. Unless Hicks offers him a ridiculous amount of money (I suppose he might), I think Joe would rather manage the Cubs.

by Al on Oct 4, 2006 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not the question....
However, I would disagree with you about Joe not being the right fit in Texas.  If Hicks hired Showalter, I could see him hiring Joe.

What I was asking is what job is better.  The Cubs are close to his heart, but IMHO they are not close to winning.

I guess it will depend on what Joe wants....

he hath no fury like a cubs fan scorned

by timeforachange on Oct 4, 2006 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What is interesting...
about the Rangers firing Buck is that he had a contract that runs through 2009 and it will reportedly cost them $5-6M to show Buck the door.  This all while they are praising Buck to the hilt and saying what a great job he did and he well he represented the Rangers.

All this adds up to the inescapable conclusion that the Ranger know exactly who they want, they are willing to pay top dollar for him and they feel they have a deal in place.

The only question is:  who is it that they have targeted?

Other news:  The Nationals wanted to interview Fredi Gonzalez, but were beaten to the punch by the Marlins.  Also, Brenly appears to be garnering support in SF.

by jazzman56 on Oct 4, 2006 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dusty...
... seems to make a lot of sense in Texas. Lots of power hitters to overcome pitching mistakes. Lots of games on the west coast, too. Now if Jon Daniels is a sabermetrics guy, it may not happen. However I could see Dusty landing in Texas.

DmL

by dmlichte on Oct 4, 2006 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Accelerates the timetable
I think one thing this firing really has to do is light a fire under Jim -- he can't wait this one out.
Make a decision, and do it.
"Respect the game above all else." - Ryne Sandberg

by Tom on Oct 4, 2006 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rudy Jarmillo
The highly respected hitting coach should be the front-runner to take over as manager in Texas.  With respect to Buck Showalter, I like him.  The guy is a great strategist and field general.  His major achilles heel is a sour personality and control freak ways.  But he might be precisely what the Cubs need.    

by BlueBooHoo on Oct 4, 2006 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Makes all the right moves...
Except resigning [Hendry].

Can he blow a managerial hire, too?

With his "timetables" I suspect he can.

Beat Iowa in all sports. Go Illini!

by TheEman on Oct 4, 2006 9:55 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

McDonough's comments
in today's Trib regarding what he's looking for in a manager sound like a perfect profile of Joe Girardi.  He wants somebody who gets it regarding the Cubs, someone who understands the history and the culture and knows Chicago.  

To me, that doesn's sound like Lou Pinella, inshallah.

by Clark Addison on Oct 4, 2006 10:01 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

we could have
kept spier and matthews they werent that bad were they

by tbizzle83 on Oct 4, 2006 10:04 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Speier...
... was OK, I suppose.

Matthews was awful. I heard that on Saturday, in that extra-inning game, in one of the innings when a Cub leadoff hitter got on base, Matthews wasn't even out there.

Sorry, Sarge. You had a great 1984, but good riddance.

by Al on Oct 4, 2006 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Speier
pretty much ruined his chance to stay on by his drunk driving arrest.

I honestly think they were thinking of firing Dusty and replacing him with Speier on an interim basis.  After the arrest, they just didn't see the point in firing Dusty because no one was available to replace him.

by Josh77 on Oct 4, 2006 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's partly true, Al, about Sat night . . .
I was there and saw it with my own eyes.  But, I think it was when Aramis was put back at second at the end of the rain delay.

In fairness, to Sarge, things were kind of sped up and hectic as the rain delay finally ended, it started raining again, and no one was sure if the game would go forth just then.

peace,
hoosiercubbie

by hoosiercubbie on Oct 4, 2006 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

another reason to act fast
The Cardinal fans are wanting Joe.  Look at this:
http://www.stltoday.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=394149&start=10&sid=900f003844438b6b4fd32a31b 31cb33d
I will be pissed if Joe replaces Tony in St. Louis.  Cub fans would never hear the end of it if he took the Cards to the World Series.  I am not sure if the Cards are looking to replace Tony, but I know a lot of their fans aren't crazy about him.  What a spoiled whiney fan base.  
"The only way to prove that you're a good sport is to lose." - Ernie Banks

by madog93 on Oct 4, 2006 10:10 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

TLR is going nowhere...
...just because a few fans are getting pissed at LaRussa doesn't mean he's going to get fired.

The Cardinals are in the playoffs with a weak team that was hamstrung by penny-pinching in the offseason. The only way LaRussa leaves is if he quits.

hhhhiftqdaa

by theprognosticator on Oct 4, 2006 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dark horse....
Buck Showalter......

do not be shocked if he ends up in the mix.  He has a history (NYY, Texas) of changing attitudes and working with kids......

he hath no fury like a cubs fan scorned

by timeforachange on Oct 4, 2006 10:11 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I forgot...
to mention the Diamondbacks.....
he hath no fury like a cubs fan scorned

by timeforachange on Oct 4, 2006 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

With Gonzalez off the table...
I've come around on Girardi as well. He's now the best candidate available, and if they hire someone else (who fails), Hendry and McDonough will never stop hearing about how they missed their chance with a hometown hero. It looks as though Girardi's problems with Florida stemmed from a misunderstanding about his role as manager- Girardi thought he would have complete control of on-field decisions, Beinfest and Loria thought otherwise. Judging by Hendry's hands-off approach to Baker, that won't be a problem with the Cubs.

by jamie on Oct 4, 2006 10:17 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Best candidate available...
that isn't Showalter, of course. But Girardi seems like a better fit for the Cubs right now, and hiring managers is all about finding the best fit for the team you have.

by jamie on Oct 4, 2006 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, beat me to it . . .
How much of Al's "change of heart" is based off the fact that Gonzalez is now unavailable, anyway, and the only other oft-mentioned candidate is Pinella?  ;)

peace,
hoosiercubbie

by hoosiercubbie on Oct 4, 2006 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If there really is a Santa Clause
Joe will be named manager if I am reading this right...
McDonough said the next manager would be someone who "understands" the team's history and tradition and wants to manage the Cubs because they're the Cubs, not just because he wants to manage a major-league team.
MacPhail gone Dusty Gone only one thing left to do before the Party starts.....
As I have said many times what a learning experience I have had listening to Joe before the Marlins games.... when Scott Olsen acted like a kid and lost his focus the camera crews caught Joe in the dugout run way with the kid hands on his jersey in his face giving him the "facts" ..... this guy is a pro and all the BS coming from the Marlins front office shows what most people down here already know they are scum bags................When does the party start ?

by FlaCub on Oct 4, 2006 10:24 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Rebuttal
McDonough also said, both in the newspapers and on WGN radio last night, that decision on next manager is strictly Jim Hendry's to make.  

by BlueBooHoo on Oct 4, 2006 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And if he told you wolverines make good...
...house pets would you believe him?
hhhhiftqdaa

by theprognosticator on Oct 4, 2006 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I dont know
about that, but this badger I just got is just great with the kids.

by Santos Sorrow on Oct 4, 2006 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Joe Torre and the Yankees
There is speculation that Joe Torre will retire after the playoffs, especially if the Yankees win the World Series.  Which is a distinct possibility given their Murderers Row lineup and the like.  George Steinbrenner and Torre are said to be very fond of Girardi.  Might Torre and Girardi be having a phone call????  Something to think about.  

by BlueBooHoo on Oct 4, 2006 10:25 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Maybe.
Yet another reason for Hendry to offer the Cubs job to Girardi NOW.

Isn't Girardi's wife a Chicago-area native? I'd think she'd probably like to return home, if so.

by Al on Oct 4, 2006 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Come on Al.....
what better job is there than the NYY?  

The "Boss" supposedly loves him and this team is loaded.

As much as I would love to have Joe come here, I really feel that he will opt to go elsewhere.  

Also, how would you feel with his "rules"?  If I remember correctly, you were against them in previous posts.

he hath no fury like a cubs fan scorned

by timeforachange on Oct 4, 2006 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have a feeling...
... Girardi may want to reconsider some of those. He became a bit of a laughingstock after forcing Andre Dawson to shave.

As I have said, rules such as "no music in the clubhouse" are useful, because they contribute to a businesslike atmosphere. Rules for the sake of rules, such as no-facial-hair, are just silly.

by Al on Oct 4, 2006 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Laughingstock to whom?
You?  A few posters on the Cub Blogs?  The NYYs have seemed to do okay with the no facial hair rule.  

He was the boss.  If he wants the Hawk to shave, and if the Hawk wants the job, the Hawk will shave.

 

he hath no fury like a cubs fan scorned

by timeforachange on Oct 4, 2006 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep
The Yankees have won 26 World Series Championships, to include 6 during the George Steinbrenner era.  If the Yankees want Johnny Damon to get a haircut, then Johnny Damon shall get a haircut.  Seems like the Yank approach works swimmingly well over the years.  

by BlueBooHoo on Oct 4, 2006 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yankees
have a no-beard policy, not no facial hair.  Also, hair must be neat, not necessarily short.

Can't have Donny Ballgame shave his mustache.

by Josh77 on Oct 4, 2006 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm thinking...
... that the Yankees winning has less to do with a "neat grooming" policy, than with the fact that they have good players and a good manager.

Get those and they can wear hair down to their butts. Messy haircuts and beards didn't seem to prevent the 2004 Red Sox from winning.

by Al on Oct 4, 2006 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not the point....
Joe only knows that policy.  IMHO, he will not change, nor should he.  
he hath no fury like a cubs fan scorned

by timeforachange on Oct 4, 2006 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I remember Piniella's story
about being traded to the Yankees.  A Steinbrenner flunkie told Piniella that he had to cut his hair.  Piniella told Steinbrenner that if long hair was ok for Jesus Christ, shouldn't it be ok for him?  At that point Steinbrenner walked Piniella over to the hotel pool and said that when Piniella could walk across, he could grow his hair however he wanted.

by davidalanu on Oct 5, 2006 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tell that to Giambi ...
He always looks as if he's just stepped out of a grease bath.  Or it could be due to the good ole days when 'roids weren't necessarily illegal ...
"P-A-L-A-T-I-N-E! Go, Pirates!"

by Littlerock Rynofan on Oct 4, 2006 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just wondering
....but are you sure Andre Dawson was forced to shave?  
  1. Dawson did not report to Girardi
  2. Maybe he wanted to do it ... to be a team player and set an example.
He was quoted last winter saying: "I won't be different than anyone on the 25-man roster," Dawson said. "When Spring Training starts, the mustache goes."

Sounds like he was into it, not resisting it.

by JohnM on Oct 4, 2006 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

really?
what better job is there than the NYY?

 the reasons NYY aren't the best job in the world,

coming in after Torre in NY has got to be one of the most difficult positions to be put in, if you don't do well its a year of fans saying "Torre would never have have done that"

dealing with Steinbrenner

and the Cubs are

its the freaking Cubs, and a chance to be the hero to millions

the risk vs reward just don't add up, in New York the risk is failing and getting run out of town/fired by Steinbrenner, the reward, winning and adding another ring

Chicago
failing and sharing the blame with Hendry, since half the fans have already written him off
winning and becoming immortal

by flyball on Oct 4, 2006 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Torre's not going anywhere either...
hhhhiftqdaa

by theprognosticator on Oct 4, 2006 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here is what we know
Florida Marlins -- Fredi Gonzalez is a done deal

Washington Nationals -- Jim Bowden interested in talking with Joe Girardi...and most likely others

San Francisco Giants -- Bob Brenly emerging as the favorite

Texas Rangers -- Rudy Jaramillo is probably the leading candidate

San Diego Padres --  ??...Sandy Alderson seems poised to stage a takeover coup and oust Kevin Towers and Bruce Bochy

New York Yankees -- Joe Torre is 66 and speculation is he will retire after the playoffs, especially if the Yankees win the World Series.  Joe Girardi is a Steinbrenner and Torre favorite.

Chicago Cubs -- Joe Girardi, Lou Pinella, Jim Fregosi are the main names seemingly on the table

by BlueBooHoo on Oct 4, 2006 10:32 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The Yankees....
... have three former managers -- Larry Bowa, Lee Mazzilli and Tony Pena -- on their coaching staff. My suspicion is that if Torre does retire (and he has time left on his contract, doesn't he?), one of those guys will get it.

Mazzilli is a NY native, like Torre. I'd guess he might be the front-runner. Or maybe they'd give it to Don Mattingly.

by Al on Oct 4, 2006 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Al,
Joe would be the first choice.  There are no if ands or buts about it.  The "Boss" loves the kid.  If no quick decision is made with the Cubs and Joe, you can pencil Joe in for the NYY job.
he hath no fury like a cubs fan scorned

by timeforachange on Oct 4, 2006 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep
If you are Joe Girardi and have an opportunity to work for the best owner in professional sports and to have a lineup like THAT, you'd be a fool to pass up the opportunity.  The Yankees are about winning World Series championships and there isn't a managerial prospect worth his salt who wouldn't chomp at the bit to work in the Bronx.  

by BlueBooHoo on Oct 4, 2006 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i love it
how you guys are speculating on a job that isnt even open yet...if you have an incling that torre will retire, please post a link to what gave you this 6th sense.

also, i would hope the cubs would have announced a new manager by the time the world series is concluded anyways.

by kylejo on Oct 4, 2006 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did you really expect
mike63 to say anything even remotely positive about the Cubs.  If you listen to him, no one would ever want the Cubs job.  

by rlpete on Oct 4, 2006 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Isn't....
this whole conversation based on speculation...

I can not speak for Mike63.  I just think that Joe will end up in NYY.  I hope I am wrong.

he hath no fury like a cubs fan scorned

by timeforachange on Oct 4, 2006 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Torre has a year...
and seven million dollars left on his contract. I think he'll stick it out. This article doesn't make it sound like he's going anywhere anytime soon.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/03/sports/baseball/03torre.html?ref=baseball

by jamie on Oct 4, 2006 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't be so sure
George Steinbrenner has made it a habit of giving loyal employees lifetime "service contracts."  He's done it for Billy Martin, Gene Michael, Reggie Jackson and a boatload of others who were far more controversial and produced far less result than Joe Torre.  If Torre does hang it up (which I think he will), then rest assured King George will still be cutting him a check of some sort for a very long time.  And keep in mind Torre is a wealthy man already.  

by BlueBooHoo on Oct 4, 2006 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fregosi
hasn't been mentioned anywhere in relation to the Cubs job, as far as I can recall. He's every bit as old and washed-up as Piniella, with a .484 lifetime winning percentage, to boot. I don't think he's on the table for anybody.

by jamie on Oct 4, 2006 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

In BooHooHoo's mind
he is.  He's been listing him as the number one candidate for months now.  I agree though, I haven't seen his name anywhere.    

by rlpete on Oct 4, 2006 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Joe
is the right guy for the Cubs then get him hired NOW.

I was very happy to read that all the coaches have been let go. Hope we get a great pitching coach.

Go Hawkeyes...Beat Purdue!!!

by sue369 on Oct 4, 2006 11:02 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Say it's so Joe...
Sign Girardi and sign him NOW!
On Iowa!

by mthawki on Oct 4, 2006 11:23 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Over on the Rangers
Lone Star Ball site, they're talking about how they don't want Girardi because he's "Buck Showalter Jr."

I think that's an unfair characterization.  For one, Showalter's players aren't shedding any tears over Der Kommandant's departure.  Marlin players seem upset by the change.  If Girardi is just a little Showalter, I don't think the Marlins would behave that way.

Sure, the Marlins are a younger team than Showalter's Rangers, but even a veteran player like Dontrelle Willis seems most upset by the change.

My opinion hasn't changed.  Girardi isn't my first choice, but he's an acceptable choice, unlike a lot of the other names being tossed out here.

by Josh77 on Oct 4, 2006 12:28 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

just heard
They are saying on The Score that Girardi is supposed to have an interview next week.  I wish they would just go ahead and hire him instead of keeping us waiting.  I suppose Hendry has to make it look good though, because he did say that it would be an extensive search.  I think they already know who they want and will get him.  Let's hope that it is Joe.
"The only way to prove that you're a good sport is to lose." - Ernie Banks

by madog93 on Oct 4, 2006 12:43 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Pinella to the Rangers?
As stated that Pinella would want to manage a team that was close to winning. Texas is much closer then Chicago. Texas is closer to Tampa, Pinella's home.

My guess would be:
Pinella to the Rangers.
Brenly to the Giants
Girardi to the Cubs
Stone to the booth
Foley to prison!

You're never a loser untill you quit trying - FortuneCookie

by Scott G F on Oct 4, 2006 1:11 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

foley to prison
right Bill Clinton
Throw out your Gold Teeth and see how they Roll

by Johnny Callison was a Cub on Oct 4, 2006 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's a tough call
between Girardi, Piniella and even Brenly for that matter to lead the Cubs.

If you think about it logically, Piniella is probably the best short-term fix. The one most likely to get immediate Billy Martin-type results by forcing a sleeping team to wake up. He also gives the organization some needed years of experience, with relative pups in the two positions above him.

That said, Piniella is probably not the best long-term choice. Girardi seems to be a good manager, as he proved, for an up-and-coming team. New school. But I don't see him getting immediate results, so you could have a situation where in a year or two he and Hendry and maybe McDonough too are gone.

Don't overlook Brenly. He at least has had the benefit of seeing this team day-in and day-out for two years. He may be the only one of the three that fully understands how important it is for the Cubs to work pitch counts and get on base more while limiting the opposition's walks. Discipline and fundamentals are secondary to that, though a big second.

I think it's a dead heat between these guys. But if you want to win now, I'd go Piniella. And it sounds like McDonough wants to win now.

by cubz1963 on Oct 4, 2006 1:12 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Will Showalter be considered ?
A lot of you seem to think Giardi is a done deal, but I am curious if the Showalter development will change that at all ?  Would Hendry consider Buck ?  I would gladly take him over most of the names being thrown around.  He wouldn't win a world series for us, but whomever takes his place in three years (after he wins a manager of the year award) will.  Put your money on the Rangers next year, history has a funny way of repeating itself.

by Hady on Oct 4, 2006 1:27 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

id rather
get jack mckeon than buck

by tbizzle83 on Oct 4, 2006 1:57 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Torre on Girardi
From the North Jersey Media Group (http://www.northjersey.com/page.php?qstr=eXJpcnk3ZjczN2Y3dnFlZUVFeXkxMTMmZmdiZWw3Zjd2cWVlRUV5eTcwMDA 4MDcmeXJpcnk3ZjcxN2Y3dnFlZUVFeXk2):

"Torre spoke with his friend and former protege Joe Girardi, whose firing as manager of the Florida Marlins was anticipated. It's widely assumed that Girardi will wind up as the Chicago Cubs' next manager.

"He sounded OK," Torre said of their conversation. "He understood that managing is not always based on how well you do." And if Girardi somehow remains unemployed as a manager, Torre would certainly consider rehiring his ex-bench coach -- but only if there's a vacancy on the staff."

Also: this tidbit:

Tony Pena is reportedly in consideration for the Washington Nationals' managerial position.

"Respect the game above all else." - Ryne Sandberg

by Tom on Oct 4, 2006 2:00 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Didn't Pena have
a meltdown in KC?  

by davidalanu on Oct 5, 2006 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Girardi
If all the posters think Girardi is the Steinbrenners fave then why did they leave him off the hook so easy ?  My Yankee friends tell me Mattingly will never get the job.
I'm worried that Hendry will listen to his buddy Beinfest, and pass on Joe......
Hey it's a NO brainer I have watched this guy manage and talk on his pregame show...I know him better then most of you ....
He is the REAL DEAL

by FlaCub on Oct 4, 2006 2:11 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm about 80% certain Girardi will be hired...
...everything is pointing in that direction.
hhhhiftqdaa

by theprognosticator on Oct 4, 2006 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

care to make it interesting. . . . ?
I still don't trust the front office not to make a bone-headed hire.
"It's hard to put your finger on it. You have to have a dullness of mind and spirit to play here." --Jim Brosnan

by cubbiejulie on Oct 4, 2006 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

bleh bleh bleh...
...even when things are starting to look up you can't manage even the slightest bit of optimism.

Dusty is gone. MacPhail is adios. Clines, Matthews, Rothschild: sayonara.

I managed to remain pessimistic too after MacPhail resigned, but now that Dusty is gone (I thought there might be a last second save on his job), and his moronic coaching staff, I have thrown all pessmism to the wind.

For now.

At least until the Cubs hire Ryan Seacrest to replace Brenly in the booth and sign Justin Timberlake for CF.

hhhhiftqdaa

by theprognosticator on Oct 4, 2006 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Humph
you didn't have to yell at me.
"It's hard to put your finger on it. You have to have a dullness of mind and spirit to play here." --Jim Brosnan

by cubbiejulie on Oct 4, 2006 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes I did
hhhhiftqdaa

by theprognosticator on Oct 4, 2006 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think
we should solve mysteries together anymore.

I'm sorry.

"It's hard to put your finger on it. You have to have a dullness of mind and spirit to play here." --Jim Brosnan

by cubbiejulie on Oct 4, 2006 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You were always dragging me down anyway...
...always wanting to dust for fingerprints, oh proggy, let's dust for fingerprints you would say, and then we would, and then there wouldn't be any freaking fingerprints and then you'd want us to dust again. And then you'd just end up throwing the dust into the air and say "it's just like Christmas!" and then you'd twirl around and I'd have to take what dust there was left from your bizarre antics and re-dust all over agin. And then there still wouldn't be any fingerprints.

HELLO! The Case of the Handless Horsethief kinda of indicates, just by the title, that there WON'T be any fingerprints.  

But NOOOOO, you had to have us dust, over and over again. And then you just HAD to stick your ear to the ground right...to listen to the earth, and...

hhhhiftqdaa

by theprognosticator on Oct 4, 2006 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rothschild may be
back if Pinella is hired according to this article.                                           http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/cs-061004cubscoaches,1,2788414.story?co ll=cs-home-headlines
Go Hawkeyes...Beat Purdue!!!

by sue369 on Oct 4, 2006 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

no no no
Cubs fans everywhere will be jumping off of tall buildings.  This would be a disaster.  They've gotta hire Joe.  They know this don't they?
"The only way to prove that you're a good sport is to lose." - Ernie Banks

by madog93 on Oct 4, 2006 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think Piniella is going to be the guy...
...so I'm not worried about Rothschild.

Piniella to the Rangers seems about right.

hhhhiftqdaa

by theprognosticator on Oct 4, 2006 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, it does...
... and that Sullivan article is pure speculation. I wouldn't worry about it.

by Al on Oct 4, 2006 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This....
is all speculation.  That is why it is fun.....
he hath no fury like a cubs fan scorned

by timeforachange on Oct 4, 2006 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

True,
but after Sullivan's article after the All-Star break that broke down the Cubs and potential moves, all of which were absurd, I take his speculation with a grain of salt.  Not sure how he even has a job after that article.  total garbage.
"My uncle says you've got a screw loose." -- "Your uncle molests collies."

by jcub on Oct 5, 2006 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If the selection becomes
Sweet Lou Pinella manager, Larry Rothschild pitching coach I will hereby abandon my 31 year following of this ballclub until new ownership arrives.  

Rothschild did little in five years to help the prized young pitching of this franchise.  He also utterly failed to help Kerry Wood and Mark Prior with their mechanics, to the point that both are now sever damaged goods.  To think Hendry is open-minded to his return is revolting.  

by BlueBooHoo on Oct 4, 2006 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed Al...I look at what the Cubs have DONE...
...so far, and that is they have contacted Girardi. So far nothing on the Piniella front.
hhhhiftqdaa

by theprognosticator on Oct 4, 2006 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

iWth their history
they'll probably go after Davey Johnson

by tommy veryzer on Oct 4, 2006 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And Hendry doesn't ...
Blame Rothschild for the "pitching downfall," according to Sullivan.  Okay, fine.
"P-A-L-A-T-I-N-E! Go, Pirates!"

by Littlerock Rynofan on Oct 4, 2006 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm no fan of Rothschild...
...and am thrilled he's gone, but I don't blame him either for the state of the pitching.

I blame Hendry.

hhhhiftqdaa

by theprognosticator on Oct 4, 2006 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

hahaha
Especially since Hendry is still the guy pulling the trigger.

by wicubfan on Oct 4, 2006 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Steinbrenner and Torre
LOVE Joe Girardi.  I still say Torre stands good chance of retiring after the playoffs.  If he does, then you can bet the ranch Girardi is going to be the guy King George wants most of all.  If Jim Hendry does like Girardi, maybe it's not Hendry who is being slow and methodical.  But rather Girardi himself.  It may be a case where he waits to see what happens with Torre and the Yankees.  Given that the Yankees have strong chance of getting to yet another World Series, that means Girardi would need to be willing to wait several more weeks and risk coming up empty handed when the managerial musical chair song stops.  

by BlueBooHoo on Oct 4, 2006 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If the Cubs haven't made a move to hire...
...Girardi by the end of the postseason, then the Cubs deserve to lose him.

I doubt it will even get that far.

Someone will snatch up Girardi before the posteseason concludes.

hhhhiftqdaa

by theprognosticator on Oct 4, 2006 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Theory
Jim Hendry stood by while Florida signed Fredi Gonzalez.  Apparently Hendry is going to take a pass on Bob Brenly who is strongly rumored to be the choice in San Francisco.  That leaves three conclusions.  

A.  While Hendry might like Gonzalez and Brenly, he took a pass on each because he is lasered in on one guy, or a couple guys, he really likes.  Maybe Joe Girard, maybe Lou Pinella, maybe somebody else...none of us can be quite sure at this stage.  

B.  Hendry's methodical, dim-witted ways have sabotaged the Cub chances of being in the bidding for a Gonzalez or a Brenly.  You snooze you lose.  

C.  Hendry doesn't think much of Gonzalez and Brenly.  

by BlueBooHoo on Oct 4, 2006 2:17 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Arghhhhhh
I just went into vapor lock.  According to report just posted on www.chicagosports.com, the door is open for Larry Rothschild TO RETURN TO THE CUBS!!!  

I just do not know what to say.  Strike ONE on Jim Hendry.  

by BlueBooHoo on Oct 4, 2006 2:56 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

WTF is the matter with you?
It just says the door is open for the possibility. Despite our collective opinion of LR, the vast majority of the baseball world respects him. Even the vaunted Tigers with the brilliant Dombrowski at the helm offered LR a 3 year contract that he turned down so he could ruin our lives another year.

But last I read, Rothschild has been let go to pursue other opportunities. And if you had actually read the article, you would have seen that the door is open to LR only if the incoming manager wants to bring him back. What that means is Hendry won't interfere if the incoming manager wants to bring back a now former coach.

You're absolutely incredible. Someone is basically canned, and you still freak out because they MIGHT come back.

It will only happen if it is Piniella, and even then there's no guarantee.
And since Girardi is the only managerial candidate the Cubs have contacted so far, I'm not going to get upset about the extremely remote possibility as of yet.

hhhhiftqdaa

by theprognosticator on Oct 4, 2006 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tell me professor
Where was Rothschild when Kerry Wood and Mark Prior were going out to the mound every fifth day with f-upped mechanics?  Where was the timely diagnosis?  Where was the solution identification?  And tell me what Rothschild ever did to "coach up" a young pitching prospect?  Answer is you can't.  The guy is awful.  If 29 other teams want Rothschild, they can have the SOB.  Hendry needs to pull his cocktail olive out of his ass on this one.

The good thing about the Girardi rumor is that if he comes to the Cubs he probably brings pitching coach Rick Krainitz, a guy who is one year removed from the Cubs and who knows the young pitching in our system.    

by BlueBooHoo on Oct 4, 2006 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who the hell are you talking to?
I never said Rothschild was good, I think he's horrible and I am thrilled he's gone.

Next time you plan on writing something in disagreement, make sure you read what the previous person wrote.

My previous post wasn't even anything remotely resembling an endorsement of Rothschild, just that you're a spaz for freaking out over the laughably slight possibility he might return.

 

hhhhiftqdaa

by theprognosticator on Oct 4, 2006 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree
Rothschild has to take some of the heat for all of the injuries the Cubs staff has had. Agreement again on what young pitcher benefited from Rothschild tudoring. Cubs were supposed to have this endless list of young strong arms, well were are the results, unless you count Willis and Nolasco.
Throw out your Gold Teeth and see how they Roll

by Johnny Callison was a Cub on Oct 4, 2006 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hendry better be on the
blower right now to Girardi. To me there is no other fit, young, disciplined, Knows Chicago, ex Cub, will fit with the young players.
Point made previously, If Joe is hired, the pitching coach hire will be huge.

Get Girardi Hendry.

And all respect to Pete Gammons and his health issues of late, he is wrong more that not.

Throw out your Gold Teeth and see how they Roll

by Johnny Callison was a Cub on Oct 4, 2006 2:58 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Pete Gammons
Anything said by him is usually not gonna happen. So, in a way it's good he said what he did. Oraginzation use Gammons to spin things one way or the other.
You're never a loser untill you quit trying - FortuneCookie

by Scott G F on Oct 4, 2006 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think this is true.
He is so well-connected at this point, he gets first dibs at information, which is usually either a smoke screen or early speculation.

He still knows baseball, though, and I enjoy listening to him.

"My uncle says you've got a screw loose." -- "Your uncle molests collies."

by jcub on Oct 5, 2006 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

While it wasn't on a message board...
I was screaming to everyone I could 12 months ago the the Cubs needed to launch Dusty and get Girardi.  I think this is the right move and helps the Cubs in the PR department and gets the team a quality manager that has the credibility to get players to bend to his way of thinking without having to be a hardass.

by lairdude on Oct 4, 2006 4:13 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

He's not hired yet
Don't jinx it.

by NO100 on Oct 4, 2006 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am speaking
in an authoritative tone.
Life-long Cub fan and seat vendor since 1985. Someone keep me away from the knives.

by lairdude on Oct 4, 2006 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I got the impression from listening
to Girardi last night on WGN that he's interested in Chicago and at least Kaplan and Waddle think he's the guy. The score's B & B are idiots, but I haven't heard them say anything against Girardi. Personally, I'm hoping they get Girardi and give him a free reign to pick his coaches and some major input into the roster.

by teacher tom on Oct 4, 2006 4:20 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

You're right
B & B are idiots.  I'm not one of those anti-sports-radio guys, but those guys define ignorance and insolence.  They are both pure, unmitigated trash.  

by NO100 on Oct 4, 2006 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

They are EASILY the most
talented radio pair on either sports radio station in town.

by Santos Sorrow on Oct 4, 2006 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

b&b
ARE FUNNY I LIKE THEM.

by tbizzle83 on Oct 4, 2006 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are they still on the air?
When WSCR put Mike North on the morning show, I removed them from the pre-selects and have stopped listening to them.  B&B aren't stupid at all.   The real problem is that they aren't serious about anything.  Bernstein's one of the smartest guys on Radio but he's pretending he's not.  Just like Howard Stern pretending that he's really not a happily married family man conformist.

by Frustrated Fan on Oct 4, 2006 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

they are on in the afternoon
and dan bernstein went to duke.

by Santos Sorrow on Oct 4, 2006 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Everyone is entitled to their own opinon
I don't know what's so talented about their cheap shots and bland wit.  Personally, I couldn't be happier that those clown on ESPN get far better ratings than B & B.  

But what am I to know.  I listen to Roe Conn on the way home, not even sports radio.  The bar that guy and that show set for intelligence and wit makes B & B sound like they are frolicking in their own excrement.  

by NO100 on Oct 4, 2006 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not sure what people
frolicking in excrement would sound like.

by Santos Sorrow on Oct 4, 2006 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's metaphorical
to imply that they are so stupid that they would actually frolick in their own excrement.  You know, kind of like your writing.  (Just kidding - the door was too wide open.)

by NO100 on Oct 4, 2006 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

B&B
aren't my favorites, but they are brilliant in approach.  They don't take sports too seriously, and find humor in the insanity so many of us attach to things like the Cubs and Bears and Bulls.  

But for my money, when I do listen to sports radio, its Kaplan and Waddle or Mike and Mike in the Morning.  

by BlueBooHoo on Oct 4, 2006 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Everyone knows
what opinions are like.  That is why there is chocolate and vanilla.
Life-long Cub fan and seat vendor since 1985. Someone keep me away from the knives.

by lairdude on Oct 4, 2006 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

There are chocolate assholes?
hhhhiftqdaa

by theprognosticator on Oct 4, 2006 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

They sell them at the specialty stores
You must shop in the wrong places.
Life-long Cub fan and seat vendor since 1985. Someone keep me away from the knives.

by lairdude on Oct 4, 2006 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree on Joe G
The Cubs, esp. the pitching staff, will be a fairly "young" team in'07 we hope--with Pie up, Hill and maybe another kid starting. Marlins pitching was surprisingly effective helped by the Pierre trade a little.

Never got the feeling Dusty had much input on personnel and there may have been some clashes we don't know about...I'm sure Baker wanted another bopper after Sosa/Alou left bit they never got one really, even after D Lee's injury.

Am sure Girardi could work with Hendry and McDonough to put together a better product and org. than what we've had.

He should be signed sealed and delivered before he gets away...if he goes elsewhere, it will be worse than Furcal but fascinating to see how Hendry & Co try to spin....I don't think from a PR standpoint (not primary, but impt.) they can afford another colossal blunder at this point that enrages the fans when they end up with a "back-up'' manager choice.

Outside pressures=logic=Girardi with three-year deal with option for fourth.

Will be anxious to hear media on him more have heard a few reports he could be prickly with press, here and in Fla?? What has the Marlins beat reporter said?? Paul Sullivan or Teddy Greenstein? Not that it means everything, but Dusty's chilly relationship with Chi media--viz a viz his more cordial rel. in SF--didn't help matters.

by writerinwrigley on Oct 4, 2006 4:44 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Don't get too high on Pie
as he'll wind up making Patterson look good. WAY too little contact. He needs at least another year in AAA.

Patterson's brother, though, is looking like the real thing.

by tommy veryzer on Oct 4, 2006 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Completely Wrong
Pie, who is several years younger than Eric, is already the better player.  By far.  I have no idea how you can possibly say that.

by VS on Oct 4, 2006 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

patterson
never had the success or progress in AAA that Pie is having. They are about the opposite--Patterson regressed as he was promoted, and the holes in his game were magnified, whereas Pie has made adjustments and succeeded at each level.

by tomas21 on Oct 5, 2006 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just want to go on record
I will not be upset with the Cubs if they hire someone other than Joe Girardi, so long as it is someone else who will bring energy and fresh ideas to the club.  I asked in another diary about Manny Acta, and I still don't know much about him.  But if he is a lot like Fredi Gonzalez, I wouldn't mind having him as Cub manager.  I won't be upset if they get Girardi, either, but I'm not convinced he's the best man for the position.  I just don't know enough about other candidates' philosophies to know if they are better than Joe's.  

by zambranofan on Oct 4, 2006 4:55 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Well, they both
are Spanish-speaking.  Come on people, this is lazy analysis, it's analogous with people saying, "Adam Morrison is the next Larry Bird."  Why, because he's white, tall, and can score?

by Santos Sorrow on Oct 4, 2006 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, do you have information?
I see Acta as somewhat similar to Gonzalez in that he has coached third base in the majors (not bench coach or hitting coach), he has managed in Winter Leagues (and the WBC for the Dominican team), is fairly young, and is often mentioned in the same breath as Gonzalez.  That breath may be in uttering a sentence about minority candidates that will fulfill Bud's quota for interviews, but at least he's in the conversation.  

I don't know anything about his managerial philosophy or skills, but would like to.  There are a LOT of great Dominican players, and some of them might really want to play for him.  

by zambranofan on Oct 4, 2006 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

SS, I was kidding...
...should have been obvious.
hhhhiftqdaa

by theprognosticator on Oct 4, 2006 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I should have saw that
after wading through some of these posts, it's sometimes hard to sniff context.

by Santos Sorrow on Oct 4, 2006 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

eh no worries...
...I've jumped on plenty at the wrong times.
hhhhiftqdaa

by theprognosticator on Oct 4, 2006 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Girardi and Krainitz
While I have some trepedidation about Girardi, I will be happy if he is hired by the Cubs and brings along Rick Krainitz as pitching coach.  Krainitz is a year removed from the Cub organization and knows our young pitchers.  Hopefully he can unlock the potential of guys like Sean Marshall, Sean Gallagher, Juan Mateo, etc.  

If Lou Pinella is hired, I will puke in my shoes.  If Larry Rothschild comes back as Pinella's pitching coach, I will abandon the Cubs for the first time in history until new ownership arrives.  

by BlueBooHoo on Oct 4, 2006 5:12 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

If Piniella is hired I'll puke too...
...but in the toilet, not in my shoes.
hhhhiftqdaa

by theprognosticator on Oct 4, 2006 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Boston's hitting coach....
was let go too. What is he like??? Would he be good for the Cubs???

by FLCubsFan on Oct 4, 2006 5:23 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yes
but their hitting "consultant" would be better, walt hriniak.

by Santos Sorrow on Oct 4, 2006 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Boston coasches
the Pitching coach was fired too

Papa Jack, the hitting coach, is loved by David Ortiz who gives him a lot of the credit for his surge in Boston

by flyball on Oct 5, 2006 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did anyone
hear Giradi's interview on CTL tonight. The panel on CTL seemed to think he will take the job. I hope they are right.
Go Hawkeyes...Beat Purdue!!!

by sue369 on Oct 4, 2006 7:43 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Let's hope
but in reality those people have as much information as anyone on this board.

by Santos Sorrow on Oct 4, 2006 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's certainly looking like he's almost lobbying..
...for the gig.

It seems almost a done deal to me. Perhaps the Cubs will stretch it out a bit (aren't they required to interview a minority for the position in the course of their search?).

And when it happens it will represent probably the longest string of good decisions Hendry has made since he became GM.

Of course, with the exception of Girardi it has been addition by subtraction.

hhhhiftqdaa

by theprognosticator on Oct 4, 2006 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think you're right...
...I was going off of someone else's comment and have yet to have it confirmed.
hhhhiftqdaa

by theprognosticator on Oct 4, 2006 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You are correct, but...
... even though MLB doesn't require interviewing a minority candidate, Bud Selig strongly encourages it.

by Al on Oct 4, 2006 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

With the last
2 Cub managers being minorites, I doubt they'd get much flak about not interviewing 1. Yaneverknow tho..

by wicubfan on Oct 4, 2006 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

minorites
are dynomite!

by tomas21 on Oct 5, 2006 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And some of us
Can do a nifty rain dance in the case of an early inning blowout.  That's it!  Hire a Native American!

Hoka hey!

"P-A-L-A-T-I-N-E! Go, Pirates!"

by Littlerock Rynofan on Oct 5, 2006 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Have you forgotten...
... that Hendry turned a rotten contract (Todd Hundley) into two useful players?

Or that he got Aramis Ramirez (granted, a salary dump) for basically nothing, and Derrek Lee for just a little more than nothing?

I grant you that in the last two years, Hendry has been on a pretty long losing streak. But his first two years were pretty darn good. He's got to find that place again.

by Al on Oct 4, 2006 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That he did...
...He did get Aramis, Karros, and Grudzie for garbage. He also got Lee for dross.

Ditto Nomar.

He did make an effort to fix the bullpen three out of the last four years with the exception of the closers spot as he opted to trust Alfonseca then Borowski then Hawkins then Dempster.

He did bring back Maddux to form in 2004 what we all thought would be the best starting five in baseball and one of the best of all time.

However he has neglected certain aspects of the game which are vital to success which has undercut the effectiveness of many of his good moves.

He has been blind to the concept of OBP.
He has been uncommonly and exasperatingly loyal to players who do not merit loyalty.
He has been either been grossly misinformed about the state of certain players he has continually relied upon, or he has turned a blind eye to the warnings, enabling his own quixotic dreaming with tapes of Mark Prior and Kerry Wood's 2003 season, convinced that they will come around and boy we don't want to be without them when that happens.  
He has not, perhaps to no fault of his own (this is probably a trib problem), landed a major free agent of significance (not even Maddux qualifies at the stage of his career the Cubs landed him), and has passed over a lot of quality players that this team could have used. Granted all of them are grossly overpaid, and granted, free agency is a precarious undertaking, but he has made little effort in this regard, content to troll the company line and continue to grab the free agents that are afterthoughts at best.

And considering how much he has abysmally failed the last two offseasons, it casts considerable doubt as to whether or not those good moves he made were not skill at all but merely part of a string of incredibly good luck.  

Hendry seems to do his job like a man waiting to be rescued, and repeatedly, no rescue has come. As GM, as leader of the Cubs he should be ahead of the fans, not behind them. The fans figured it out about Prior and Wood well before Hendry did. Ditto Baker, Neifi, Rusch, the Dubois/Hollandsworth abomination, Burnitz, C-Pat, Farnsworth, etc, etc. He's constantly behind, and all his moves betray a lack of vision, of focus, and a fear that immobilizes him from doing much of anything. You think Beane would have allowed Aramis Ramirez to hold the A's for ransom like Hendry is? No, Beane would have shipped Ramirez out at the deadline and got at least one prospect out of the deal that would have turned into something useful, either in another deal, or on the team itself (of course it is doubtful Beane would have given Ramirez that ridiculous out clause in the first place). Do guys like Beane make mistakes? Absolutely. But their mistakes come from being boldly proactive, making their moves with a definite plan in mind, whereas Hendry's moves are timidly reactive, and strike of a man who does not have enough confidence in what he is doing.  

Hopefully that all changes this offseason and Hendry surprises us all and proves me dead wrong.

hhhhiftqdaa

by theprognosticator on Oct 4, 2006 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That is
one of the best analysis of Hendry I've read.

Great job.

Especially the "reactive" not "proactive" part.

Comments, Al?

by Peoria Matt on Oct 4, 2006 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Al
with all due respect, how "great" can a GM be labeled when his marquee moves were acquring players that teams over an economic barrel were eager to dump?  Hendry has made very few inspired trades that benefitted the Cubs were both sides of the negotiations were on equal economic footing.  If you look around baseball today, the economic situation is much better for the small market teams.  What's Hendry going to do now that he can't offer a used infield rake and contract relief to Team X or Team Y?  

The Hundley deal was a complete salary wash with the Dodgers.  Eric Karros was a grossly overpaid former star, and Mark Grudzielanek was in manager Jim Tracy's doghouse.  It was a trade of one headache for two headaches where the dollars cancelled out.  Hendry benefitted, but for crying out loud if this is one of his top trades ever then no wonder this team sucks and is coming off a 30 game under .500 season.  

And lets not even get into Hendry's "stellar" track record in free agency.  

by BlueBooHoo on Oct 5, 2006 8:25 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The box...
Why is all speculation on Rusty's successor "in" the box?  Think out of the baseball box.  Bring back Mark Grace!  I know he has the cush TV gig, but, how bad do the Cubbies really want to win?  Seems like all they are doing is keeping Trib and Co. in the black.  Gotta spend money to make money.

by elmolincoln on Oct 4, 2006 7:59 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree
There are lots of guys out there. The thing about Girardi is we know that Torre liked him and he had a good year with the Marlins. However, making a bad team mediocre is different than making a mediocre team good. What Dusty did was make a mediocre team horrendous. The fan in me would really like to see a Cub player come in. But that is purely nostalgic. But if we could have that and talent, then great. I have made my case before for Steve Stone. I like the idea of Mark Grace or Ryne Sandberg. But I don't have a clue what kind of managers they would be. But I can wrap my mind around any of them.

And as far as Sweet Lou, it is absurd to think that Lou is anything but a winner. He has won in a lot of different positions in life. I lived in Seattle when he was there and the Mariners then were one of the best small ball teams ever. Every time they lost a superstar they got better. Sometimes old school just means disciplined. We haven't had that awhile. Please don't equate Lou to Dusty. They may be from the same generation but that is where the similarities stop.

All that said, I am optimistic. I think this might be the year.

Kyle

Kyle

by Kyle Turney on Oct 4, 2006 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And
what qualifications does Grace have other than being a good former ex-Cub.  Outside the box is fine.  I'm not set on Girardi but how about someone that has good qualifications as a coach or manager or something that at least indicates he might be a good manager.  

I just don't understand the interest in bringing back ex-Cubs just because they are ex-Cubs.  Gene Clines and Gary Mathews were ex-Cubs.  How about them?  Bill Madlock won some batting titles.  What is he doing these days?    

by rlpete on Oct 5, 2006 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I vote for
Bullinger and Servais!!!

by Santos Sorrow on Oct 5, 2006 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My vote
Is for Rick Wilkins and Todd Pratt.
When trouble arises there is always one individual who perceives a solution and is willing to take command. Very often, that individual is crazy. - Dave Barry

by Jesse Guam on Oct 5, 2006 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

by theprognosticator get ready...
"TO PUKE" - get us the pics!

Lou Pinella is the "Win Now" choice. THIS is the new MANTRA.
He has been successful in every place except in TAMPA including taking a worst to first and WS win with the Reds.

He has the experience and can gain the respect of the multi-millionaire players. For dealing with the FA's that will be signed this off-season and the Lee's/Ram, etc.

This could be a reason Hendry hires him if it happens.

I wouldn't be upset if Girardi is hired - but I DON'T WANT to WAIT ANYMORE if hiring Pinella gets the team to the WS quicker!

Beat Iowa in all sports. Go Illini!

by TheEman on Oct 4, 2006 9:32 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

A win now manager?
Please.

There's no such thing.

hhhhiftqdaa

by theprognosticator on Oct 4, 2006 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, what would you say about...
Ozzie Guillen? 2nd year w/Sox WS

Terry Francona? 1st year  w/Sox WS

Grady Little? 1st Yr, Dodgers, Playoffs

Phil Garner - SWITCHED AT ALL STAR GAME, Pennant. These are only recent examples.

Bullshit!

There IS such a thing as a "WIN NOW" manager!

Beat Iowa in all sports. Go Illini!

by TheEman on Oct 4, 2006 10:54 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Hindsight is 20/20
You can always find managers who won in their first couple of years.  Looking back, it is easy to say they are win now managers.  I bet the Cubs thought Dusty was a win now manager when he was hired.    

by rlpete on Oct 5, 2006 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually...
Garner just made the NLCS, game 7 his first HALF season.

His 2nd season he won the pennant.

Beat Iowa in all sports. Go Illini!

by TheEman on Oct 4, 2006 10:56 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Girardi seems like the guy....
...I was luke warm about him for concerns that he might over-value small ball (which is useful against evenly matched teams, and in the right game situations), and him letting a starter return after a lengthy rain delay only to suffer an arm injury is well, inexcuseable but to measure the guy in full he appears to be a true leader with high inteligence and an understanding of the game.  Any guy who stands up to the owner and GM the way that he did and for the reasons that he did is not a cover your ass first type person.

He won't make all of the right moves but he'll make far more right than Dusty and he won't be making excuses for his shortcomings nor will he tolerate the same crap from his players.  If he will manage the staff well and leverage the pen then I am totally sold...

Now if this is the Cubs No. 1 guy, then he better have an outstanding offer in front of him by noon tomorrow.  You go balls to the wall for the number one guy here.  Our team is in disarray, don't play coy and silly feeler games with this, Hendry--make him your best offer tomorrow or resign your GM position.

by DudeVf1 on Oct 4, 2006 10:57 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

This is kind of off the subject but...
After we have a manager, there are some good #3/4 starters out there if we can just get a Zito to add to the mix. I wouldn't mind adding a Mussina/Lilly/Meche/Lidle/Silva to fill in the holes. I know we NEED a top of the line pitcher a la Schmidt/Zito, but there are some good inning eaters out there that we could pick up as well. However, it is unlikely that there will be money for all of that IF we resign Aram. The Question: Will McDonough pony up the cash for Aram AND 3 FAs (2 Type-A, 1 Type-B). If the budget remains the same, there will be enough for a new Aram contract and MAYBE a Type-A FA like Zito, Soriano, Lee, or Schmidt.

Let's just hope everyone wants to play for Joe Girardi?

Git 'er done!

by KChiCubs on Oct 5, 2006 12:03 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Various Styles...
Aren't you the guy who was bitching about Jerome Williams not being called up?

I guess the Cubs thought as much of him to DFA him.

And, I'm sure you wanted to sign Burnitz over JJones, too, right?

Beat Iowa in all sports. Go Illini!

by TheEman on Oct 5, 2006 12:25 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Reply

Aren't you the guy who was bitching about Jerome Williams not being called up?

Yes.  Your point?


I guess the Cubs thought as much of him to DFA him.

And he was picked up by the As, a much more smarter and competent organization than the Cubs.


And, I'm sure you wanted to sign Burnitz over JJones, too, right?

No.

by VS on Oct 5, 2006 1:56 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Burnitz for 1 season is STILL
preferable to Jones for three.

by Santos Sorrow on Oct 5, 2006 6:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

At the time I would have agreed with you
But surely you can see that it hasn't turned out that way.  Jones was far better than Burnitz this year.  Yes, he has two years left on his contract, but given his performance, the Cubs could certainly offload that in exchange for token prospects if they want.  Jacque may be only a slight positive at this point, but he's not a negative.  Caveat: this judgment is from the perspective of assuming a rational GM; you may value Jones lower because you believe the Cubs will hold onto him too long.  Both conclusions make sense given different assumptions.

by zambranofan on Oct 5, 2006 8:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have no doubt
Jim Hendry thinks Jones is an "answer" in rf, ergo why burnitz for one season STILL is better than jones for 3.

by Santos Sorrow on Oct 5, 2006 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He may not be an "answer"...
... but he did have a decent offensive season. His defense and baserunning are poor.

As a complementary player, he can still be of some use the next two years, if upgrades are made to other offensive positions.

Or, perhaps now he has some trade value.

by Al on Oct 5, 2006 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Al
Jones produced at his 80th percentile PECOTA projection and STILL only barely made his MORP value, even a slide back to his median PECOTA makes him 1.5 - 2 million overpaid.  Jones trade value was July 31st. Now?  Maybe a couple B- guys, or 1 A- prospect (think Murton in '04)

by Santos Sorrow on Oct 5, 2006 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes
where do we sign up to acquire this a- prospect you speak of?

by tomas21 on Oct 5, 2006 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why?
Jacque Jones is signed to an eminently affordable and fair contract.  $16 million over 3 years doesn't handicap the ballclub.  Not in the least bit.  And notwithstanding a handful of boneheaded baserunning plays and outfield throws, Jones proved an asset with the stick and in right.  

I screamed when he was signed.  But I no longer have qualms with his presence.  

by BlueBooHoo on Oct 5, 2006 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Barry Rozner on Mike North this morning
Barry and Mike were talking about the Girardi situation (they both think he's the right guy, FWIW), and said that Jim's delay is indicative of his style; waiting until the right guy is gone, and then bemoaning it.

If Hendry wanted Girardi, it would be done already.

"Respect the game above all else." - Ryne Sandberg

by Tom on Oct 5, 2006 8:58 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

That's what I think
Something ain't right in the alleged courtship of Joe Girardi.  One of two things.  Either Hendry isn't completely sold on Girardi and has elected to also pursue alternatives (e.g., Lou Pinella, Jim Fregosi).  Or Girardi himself is slowing the process down to see what might develop elsewhere, notably with the NY Yankee situation.  

by BlueBooHoo on Oct 5, 2006 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Will you just give up the Fregosi thing?
it makes you look like an idiot?  Why do you do that to yourself?

by Santos Sorrow on Oct 5, 2006 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

C'mon, SS
Pretty much everything he says makes him look like an idiot. Why would a discussion of managerial candidates be any different?

by Perkins on Oct 5, 2006 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe we should
start our own campaign to get Giradi to Chicago. Something like -

* PLEASE COME HOME JOE!!*

Go Hawkeyes...Beat Purdue!!!

by sue369 on Oct 5, 2006 9:11 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

HireJoeGirardi.com
I'm surprised the FireDustyBaker.com guys haven't fired that up yet . . .
I'd sign!
"Respect the game above all else." - Ryne Sandberg

by Tom on Oct 5, 2006 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

too bad
his name isn't shane, that would be better.

by tomas21 on Oct 5, 2006 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

An interesting
and I think mostly on target piece about Joe Girardi's exodus from the Marlins.

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/sports/baseball/15672616.htm

If you don't think the Cubs upper management aren't looking deeply into the reasons why a potential Manager of the Year candidate was summarily dismissed after one year of a lucrative 3 year contract...by an organization on a tight budget...you are missing something very important here.

by jazzman56 on Oct 5, 2006 3:04 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yep !!!
Look, I want to like Joe Girardi.  But there is something amiss in this whole Florida debacle.  I'm not about to neatly sum up the Girardi termination to the owner being an asshole.  Rewind to one year ago and Jeff Loria and Joe Girardi were close. Very close according to many reports.  And when a top flight GM like Larry Beinfast, who by the way deserves the lion's share of credit for the performance of the Marlins in 2006, turns ugly on Girardi then that sends up huge red flags.

Hendry and the Cubs NEED to do their homework on Girardi.  If Hendry can objectively satisfy himself that Girardi has learned from his mistakes and does indeed have many strong attributes, then I hope he hires him on the spot. But if not, then I fully expect Hendry to do the right thing, however unpopular it might be, and move onto other candidates.  

by BlueBooHoo on Oct 5, 2006 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Everybody should read this article
Everybody.  And many of its points can be applied to recently desposed Dusty Baker too.  

by BlueBooHoo on Oct 5, 2006 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Reply
From a Desipio Poster

Matt Herges, Marlins reliever, was on Boers and Bernstein today, being quizzed about what kind of manager Girardi was. According to Herges, everything bad that's been said about Girardi was a lie, he's the kind of man Matt aspires to be, he has integrity, he is neither too tough, nor too nice, he's like a dad, he uses tough love, Matt can't imagine that anyone wouldn't respond to Joe's style, Scott Olsen, the pitcher Girardi grabbed by the jersey during a Cubs game, would do anything for him, Joe's the best manager he ever played for, Ramirez and other slothful non-rookies would hustle for him because Cabrera used to dog it until Joe arrived (and was moved to tears by his departure), etc. And, this coronation was while Herges was ostensibly pulling his punches, as he didn't want to imply anything negative about the Marlins' organization

by VS on Oct 5, 2006 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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