About Joe Girardi
Today, I am going to jump onto the Joe Girardi bandwagon.
And I am going to tell you why, because as you know, I have in the past NOT been in favor of hiring him as Cubs manager. Most of this is because of his perception as a my-way-or-the-highway sort of guy, and I have never liked those sorts of men as managers. The last Cub manager who was anything close to that was Don Baylor, and he had other problems that prevented him from succeeding -- and Baylor wasn't anywhere close to being a Lou Piniella-type, the screaming-in-your-face type that I see as the archetype of a "tough" manager.
Clearly, Dusty Baker's laissez-faire style did not work with the Cubs the last three years. It DID work in 2003, despite the fact that his lineup selections and use and abuse of the pitching staff were much the same as they were in 2006, for two reasons: first, that team did have talent, particularly pitching talent, and second, it had player-leaders in Eric Karros and Damian Miller who were able to "police" the clubhouse in a way that Baker was either unwilling, or unable, or both, to do in the rest of his tenure here without such leaders.
Joe Girardi is a leader. Of that I never have had any doubt -- this goes all the way back to his days as a player, particularly on June 22, 2002, when he was the man chosen, voice breaking with emotion, to tell a sellout crowd at Wrigley Field that Cardinals pitcher Darryl Kile had died. Here are the remarks he made that day:
This is just one of many examples that caused friction.
Depending on your point of view, Girardi was way out of line or just doing his job. For a team like the Cubs, Girardi's aim was perfect. For the Marlins, it was maddening.
After the brutally honest news conference, Beinfest met privately with a few reporters from South Florida and eased up the rhetoric. He even pitched Girardi for National League Manager of the Year.
"It wasn't a fit here," Beinfest said. "That doesn't mean it won't be a fit someplace else."
But here, in today's Tribune, is one of the best indicators that Girardi is the Cubs' target:
"In Jim Hendry you have the right guy," he said. "And with the recent change in Dusty, this is a critical decision, finding the right guy."
McDonough declined to address specifics of the managerial search, but he said he was looking for someone who "gets" the Cubs.
"I think you have to bring in a winner who respects this franchise, this brand, the fans, the ballpark and everything that is the Chicago Cubs," McDonough said. "Someone who 'gets it.' But it has to be somebody who's a winner, somebody whose only mission, whose only goal is to win the World Series. That's a strong statement to make."
McDonough is right. This move, if made, would mirror what the White Sox did when they hired Ozzie Guillen -- a popular former player who clearly has very strong views on how to be a leader. Girardi has one more year of managerial experience than Guillen had when hired; apart from that their backgrounds are quite similar -- both players of average ability who made long major league careers in part from sheer determination and hard work, and have been able to impart that view to those who have played for them.
I have long said, and I am not changing my mind here, that another retread, old-boy-network manager, a Piniella, a Fregosi, a Bowa -- what's the point? The winners of three of the last five World Series -- Mike Scioscia, Bob Brenly and Guillen -- were all first-time managers with little prior experience. With the dismissal of the entire Cubs coaching staff, including Larry Rothschild, a move I heartily endorse, it's a perfect time to start fresh, to bring in new ideas, to form a professional coaching staff rather than the manager's old playing buddies.
So go, Jim Hendry. Joe's out there. He's available. Go get him, and do it soon, so a plan can be put in place. It's time.
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Al....
Unfortunately, I think it is Piniella. If you believe the national media, Joe is not the right fit.
I can't believe I am going to ask this (because I fed you so much crap): What do you sources say. I have heard from "a source" that it will be "Sweet Lou". God help us it this is true.
by timeforachange on Oct 4, 2006 9:18 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
*cringes*
by Littlerock Rynofan on Oct 4, 2006 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have heard nothing yet.
by Al on Oct 4, 2006 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: If you believe the national media...
So no, I don't believe the national media.
by dbt on Oct 4, 2006 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let me clarify....
by timeforachange on Oct 4, 2006 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hanging out with Peter in Cape Cod, eh?
by Santos Sorrow on Oct 4, 2006 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wish...
I got tired of being yelled at quickly....
by timeforachange on Oct 4, 2006 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Peter Gammons!!!!!
Rasho Nesterovic? TERRRRRIBBBULLLLLL!!
by Santos Sorrow on Oct 4, 2006 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
CHEEZE DOODLEZ!
by Whitebacon on Oct 5, 2006 12:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The national media
by cubz1963 on Oct 4, 2006 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I also heard...
They were generally vague about Joe G. fitting into Chicago's plans, but were much more adament that Pinella definitely WAS NOT the right fit for the Cubs, in their opinion.
I agree with them. Pinella needs the exact right situation (a team ready for the WS) and I don't think the Cubs are that situation.
Personally, I dislike Pinella's style of managing (too old-school) and much prefer Joe Girardi's style which I feel would work better with the Cubs.
Let's get him, Jimbo!
by CubFanSince1970 on Oct 4, 2006 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Joe Girardi IS the guy
by BlueBooHoo on Oct 4, 2006 9:20 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That'd be good...
by Al on Oct 4, 2006 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Regarding new leadership
The whole situation is that Girardi if chosen is without comparison. He will either learn as he continues successfully or under challenges and only be successful being his own person.
Here is what he brings to the table.
Knowledge of Wrigley and Chicago, he knows the fans, where to live the traffic, the Cubs organization, the nuances of the wind, the field, the weirdness associated to Cubdome.
Knowledge of pitchers...his problems with the Marlins ownership shows what he knows is important.
Knowledge of preparing for a game pitching strategy.
Knowledge of defense strategy.
Young player's mentality.
Toughness, I think Joe will be the toughest guy in the lockeroom.
What to expect, high expectations.
My guess is that OF defense will be important, relay to home will be important, running the bases will be important, situational positioning will be important, preparation for the game will be important.
How will Girardi do this. He will appoint D-Lee as on field captain and a designee like Blanco for the spanish speaking players.
Coaches. Joe will appoint some serious old timers and some new timers.
Pitching coach will be the most important appointment.
by Ivy Walls on Oct 4, 2006 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't mean to steal your thunder
The only beef I ever had with Joe was his one season in St. Louis. I wasn't really mad at him, but I did jokingly call him a trader. His numbers were just awful that year too and he was hurt most of the year.
by madog93 on Oct 4, 2006 9:28 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Just joshing
by zambranofan on Oct 4, 2006 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you're right
by madog93 on Oct 4, 2006 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But doesn't it seem
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Oct 4, 2006 9:29 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes, it does...
McDonough knows the importance of marketing, obviously. Hiring Girardi would not only be a good BASEBALL move, but a good MARKETING move. Hiring Piniella would be neither, and I think McDonough knows that.
by Al on Oct 4, 2006 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rebuttal
FUCK the marketing angle.
by BlueBooHoo on Oct 4, 2006 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No one said...
It is a factor, yes. But not the #1 factor.
by Al on Oct 4, 2006 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
a good baseball strategy for this team...
by theprognosticator on Oct 4, 2006 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, Al!
;)
by cubbiejulie on Oct 4, 2006 9:32 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Sweet Lou
Pinella is older and lazier and grouchier and paunchier version of Dusty Baker. Just like Dusty with the Giants and California, Sweet Lou will forever talk about the Yankees and the Gulf Coast of Florida. He won't really want to be in Chicago. How on earth Jim Hendry can think he is good fit for the Cubs completely escapes me.
by BlueBooHoo on Oct 4, 2006 9:37 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I still like Brenly
So far with all the coaching staff being let go. Hendry has made all the right moves.
Here's hoping he continues this small streak.
by Scott G F on Oct 4, 2006 9:44 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If...
by Al on Oct 4, 2006 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
al
by tbizzle83 on Oct 4, 2006 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good.
by Al on Oct 4, 2006 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea
by tbizzle83 on Oct 4, 2006 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree completely...
Could it be in the span of less than a month we see the end of MacPhail, Dusty, Clines, Rothschild, Matthews, the return of Stone to the booth, and Joe Girardi added as manager?
If all that takes place it would be a helluva nice start to the offseason.
What am I saying? The Cubs are already off to a smashing start.
by theprognosticator on Oct 4, 2006 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if that happened
by mike bornemann on Oct 4, 2006 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hell, Id need to up my output then!!!
by Santos Sorrow on Oct 4, 2006 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Breaking news.......
How quick do you think Hicks contacts Joe? A better question is which is a better job? I know the Cubs are special, but Texas is closer to competing.
Thoughts?
by timeforachange on Oct 4, 2006 9:49 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't think...
by Al on Oct 4, 2006 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not the question....
What I was asking is what job is better. The Cubs are close to his heart, but IMHO they are not close to winning.
I guess it will depend on what Joe wants....
by timeforachange on Oct 4, 2006 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What is interesting...
All this adds up to the inescapable conclusion that the Ranger know exactly who they want, they are willing to pay top dollar for him and they feel they have a deal in place.
The only question is: who is it that they have targeted?
Other news: The Nationals wanted to interview Fredi Gonzalez, but were beaten to the punch by the Marlins. Also, Brenly appears to be garnering support in SF.
by jazzman56 on Oct 4, 2006 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dusty...
DmL
by dmlichte on Oct 4, 2006 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Accelerates the timetable
Make a decision, and do it.
by Tom on Oct 4, 2006 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rudy Jarmillo
by BlueBooHoo on Oct 4, 2006 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Makes all the right moves...
Can he blow a managerial hire, too?
With his "timetables" I suspect he can.
by TheEman on Oct 4, 2006 9:55 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
McDonough's comments
To me, that doesn's sound like Lou Pinella, inshallah.
by Clark Addison on Oct 4, 2006 10:01 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
we could have
by tbizzle83 on Oct 4, 2006 10:04 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Speier...
Matthews was awful. I heard that on Saturday, in that extra-inning game, in one of the innings when a Cub leadoff hitter got on base, Matthews wasn't even out there.
Sorry, Sarge. You had a great 1984, but good riddance.
by Al on Oct 4, 2006 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Speier
I honestly think they were thinking of firing Dusty and replacing him with Speier on an interim basis. After the arrest, they just didn't see the point in firing Dusty because no one was available to replace him.
by Josh77 on Oct 4, 2006 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's partly true, Al, about Sat night . . .
In fairness, to Sarge, things were kind of sped up and hectic as the rain delay finally ended, it started raining again, and no one was sure if the game would go forth just then.
peace,
hoosiercubbie
by hoosiercubbie on Oct 4, 2006 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
another reason to act fast
http://www.stltoday.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=394149&start=10&sid=900f003844438b6b4fd32a31b 31cb33d
I will be pissed if Joe replaces Tony in St. Louis. Cub fans would never hear the end of it if he took the Cards to the World Series. I am not sure if the Cards are looking to replace Tony, but I know a lot of their fans aren't crazy about him. What a spoiled whiney fan base.
by madog93 on Oct 4, 2006 10:10 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
TLR is going nowhere...
The Cardinals are in the playoffs with a weak team that was hamstrung by penny-pinching in the offseason. The only way LaRussa leaves is if he quits.
by theprognosticator on Oct 4, 2006 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dark horse....
do not be shocked if he ends up in the mix. He has a history (NYY, Texas) of changing attitudes and working with kids......
by timeforachange on Oct 4, 2006 10:11 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I forgot...
by timeforachange on Oct 4, 2006 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
With Gonzalez off the table...
by jamie on Oct 4, 2006 10:17 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Best candidate available...
by jamie on Oct 4, 2006 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, beat me to it . . .
peace,
hoosiercubbie
by hoosiercubbie on Oct 4, 2006 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If there really is a Santa Clause
McDonough said the next manager would be someone who "understands" the team's history and tradition and wants to manage the Cubs because they're the Cubs, not just because he wants to manage a major-league team.
MacPhail gone Dusty Gone only one thing left to do before the Party starts.....
As I have said many times what a learning experience I have had listening to Joe before the Marlins games.... when Scott Olsen acted like a kid and lost his focus the camera crews caught Joe in the dugout run way with the kid hands on his jersey in his face giving him the "facts" ..... this guy is a pro and all the BS coming from the Marlins front office shows what most people down here already know they are scum bags................When does the party start ?
by FlaCub on Oct 4, 2006 10:24 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Rebuttal
by BlueBooHoo on Oct 4, 2006 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And if he told you wolverines make good...
by theprognosticator on Oct 4, 2006 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont know
by Santos Sorrow on Oct 4, 2006 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Joe Torre and the Yankees
by BlueBooHoo on Oct 4, 2006 10:25 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe.
Isn't Girardi's wife a Chicago-area native? I'd think she'd probably like to return home, if so.
by Al on Oct 4, 2006 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Come on Al.....
The "Boss" supposedly loves him and this team is loaded.
As much as I would love to have Joe come here, I really feel that he will opt to go elsewhere.
Also, how would you feel with his "rules"? If I remember correctly, you were against them in previous posts.
by timeforachange on Oct 4, 2006 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have a feeling...
As I have said, rules such as "no music in the clubhouse" are useful, because they contribute to a businesslike atmosphere. Rules for the sake of rules, such as no-facial-hair, are just silly.
by Al on Oct 4, 2006 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Laughingstock to whom?
He was the boss. If he wants the Hawk to shave, and if the Hawk wants the job, the Hawk will shave.
by timeforachange on Oct 4, 2006 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
by BlueBooHoo on Oct 4, 2006 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yankees
Can't have Donny Ballgame shave his mustache.
by Josh77 on Oct 4, 2006 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm thinking...
Get those and they can wear hair down to their butts. Messy haircuts and beards didn't seem to prevent the 2004 Red Sox from winning.
by Al on Oct 4, 2006 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not the point....
by timeforachange on Oct 4, 2006 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I remember Piniella's story
by davidalanu on Oct 5, 2006 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tell that to Giambi ...
by Littlerock Rynofan on Oct 4, 2006 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just wondering
- Dawson did not report to Girardi
- Maybe he wanted to do it ... to be a team player and set an example.
Sounds like he was into it, not resisting it.
by JohnM on Oct 4, 2006 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
really?
the reasons NYY aren't the best job in the world,
coming in after Torre in NY has got to be one of the most difficult positions to be put in, if you don't do well its a year of fans saying "Torre would never have have done that"
dealing with Steinbrenner
and the Cubs are
its the freaking Cubs, and a chance to be the hero to millions
the risk vs reward just don't add up, in New York the risk is failing and getting run out of town/fired by Steinbrenner, the reward, winning and adding another ring
Chicago
failing and sharing the blame with Hendry, since half the fans have already written him off
winning and becoming immortal
by flyball on Oct 4, 2006 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Torre's not going anywhere either...
by theprognosticator on Oct 4, 2006 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here is what we know
Washington Nationals -- Jim Bowden interested in talking with Joe Girardi...and most likely others
San Francisco Giants -- Bob Brenly emerging as the favorite
Texas Rangers -- Rudy Jaramillo is probably the leading candidate
San Diego Padres -- ??...Sandy Alderson seems poised to stage a takeover coup and oust Kevin Towers and Bruce Bochy
New York Yankees -- Joe Torre is 66 and speculation is he will retire after the playoffs, especially if the Yankees win the World Series. Joe Girardi is a Steinbrenner and Torre favorite.
Chicago Cubs -- Joe Girardi, Lou Pinella, Jim Fregosi are the main names seemingly on the table
by BlueBooHoo on Oct 4, 2006 10:32 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The Yankees....
Mazzilli is a NY native, like Torre. I'd guess he might be the front-runner. Or maybe they'd give it to Don Mattingly.
by Al on Oct 4, 2006 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Al,
by timeforachange on Oct 4, 2006 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
by BlueBooHoo on Oct 4, 2006 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i love it
also, i would hope the cubs would have announced a new manager by the time the world series is concluded anyways.
by kylejo on Oct 4, 2006 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did you really expect
by rlpete on Oct 4, 2006 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't....
I can not speak for Mike63. I just think that Joe will end up in NYY. I hope I am wrong.
by timeforachange on Oct 4, 2006 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Torre has a year...
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/03/sports/baseball/03torre.html?ref=baseball
by jamie on Oct 4, 2006 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't be so sure
by BlueBooHoo on Oct 4, 2006 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fregosi
by jamie on Oct 4, 2006 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In BooHooHoo's mind
by rlpete on Oct 4, 2006 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mentioned in the trib..
by wicubfan on Oct 4, 2006 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Joe
I was very happy to read that all the coaches have been let go. Hope we get a great pitching coach.
by sue369 on Oct 4, 2006 11:02 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Say it's so Joe...
by mthawki on Oct 4, 2006 11:23 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Over on the Rangers
I think that's an unfair characterization. For one, Showalter's players aren't shedding any tears over Der Kommandant's departure. Marlin players seem upset by the change. If Girardi is just a little Showalter, I don't think the Marlins would behave that way.
Sure, the Marlins are a younger team than Showalter's Rangers, but even a veteran player like Dontrelle Willis seems most upset by the change.
My opinion hasn't changed. Girardi isn't my first choice, but he's an acceptable choice, unlike a lot of the other names being tossed out here.
by Josh77 on Oct 4, 2006 12:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
just heard
by madog93 on Oct 4, 2006 12:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Pinella to the Rangers?
My guess would be:
Pinella to the Rangers.
Brenly to the Giants
Girardi to the Cubs
Stone to the booth
Foley to prison!
by Scott G F on Oct 4, 2006 1:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
foley to prison
by Johnny Callison was a Cub on Oct 4, 2006 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's a tough call
If you think about it logically, Piniella is probably the best short-term fix. The one most likely to get immediate Billy Martin-type results by forcing a sleeping team to wake up. He also gives the organization some needed years of experience, with relative pups in the two positions above him.
That said, Piniella is probably not the best long-term choice. Girardi seems to be a good manager, as he proved, for an up-and-coming team. New school. But I don't see him getting immediate results, so you could have a situation where in a year or two he and Hendry and maybe McDonough too are gone.
Don't overlook Brenly. He at least has had the benefit of seeing this team day-in and day-out for two years. He may be the only one of the three that fully understands how important it is for the Cubs to work pitch counts and get on base more while limiting the opposition's walks. Discipline and fundamentals are secondary to that, though a big second.
I think it's a dead heat between these guys. But if you want to win now, I'd go Piniella. And it sounds like McDonough wants to win now.
by cubz1963 on Oct 4, 2006 1:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Will Showalter be considered ?
by Hady on Oct 4, 2006 1:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Torre on Girardi
"Torre spoke with his friend and former protege Joe Girardi, whose firing as manager of the Florida Marlins was anticipated. It's widely assumed that Girardi will wind up as the Chicago Cubs' next manager.
"He sounded OK," Torre said of their conversation. "He understood that managing is not always based on how well you do." And if Girardi somehow remains unemployed as a manager, Torre would certainly consider rehiring his ex-bench coach -- but only if there's a vacancy on the staff."
Also: this tidbit:
Tony Pena is reportedly in consideration for the Washington Nationals' managerial position.
by Tom on Oct 4, 2006 2:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Girardi
I'm worried that Hendry will listen to his buddy Beinfest, and pass on Joe......
Hey it's a NO brainer I have watched this guy manage and talk on his pregame show...I know him better then most of you ....
He is the REAL DEAL
by FlaCub on Oct 4, 2006 2:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm about 80% certain Girardi will be hired...
by theprognosticator on Oct 4, 2006 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
care to make it interesting. . . . ?
by cubbiejulie on Oct 4, 2006 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
bleh bleh bleh...
Dusty is gone. MacPhail is adios. Clines, Matthews, Rothschild: sayonara.
I managed to remain pessimistic too after MacPhail resigned, but now that Dusty is gone (I thought there might be a last second save on his job), and his moronic coaching staff, I have thrown all pessmism to the wind.
For now.
At least until the Cubs hire Ryan Seacrest to replace Brenly in the booth and sign Justin Timberlake for CF.
by theprognosticator on Oct 4, 2006 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Humph
by cubbiejulie on Oct 4, 2006 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think
I'm sorry.
by cubbiejulie on Oct 4, 2006 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You were always dragging me down anyway...
HELLO! The Case of the Handless Horsethief kinda of indicates, just by the title, that there WON'T be any fingerprints.
But NOOOOO, you had to have us dust, over and over again. And then you just HAD to stick your ear to the ground right...to listen to the earth, and...
by theprognosticator on Oct 4, 2006 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rothschild may be
by sue369 on Oct 4, 2006 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think Piniella is going to be the guy...
Piniella to the Rangers seems about right.
by theprognosticator on Oct 4, 2006 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, it does...
by Al on Oct 4, 2006 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This....
by timeforachange on Oct 4, 2006 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
True,
by jcub on Oct 5, 2006 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the selection becomes
Rothschild did little in five years to help the prized young pitching of this franchise. He also utterly failed to help Kerry Wood and Mark Prior with their mechanics, to the point that both are now sever damaged goods. To think Hendry is open-minded to his return is revolting.
by BlueBooHoo on Oct 4, 2006 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed Al...I look at what the Cubs have DONE...
by theprognosticator on Oct 4, 2006 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
iWth their history
by tommy veryzer on Oct 4, 2006 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Hendry doesn't ...
by Littlerock Rynofan on Oct 4, 2006 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm no fan of Rothschild...
I blame Hendry.
by theprognosticator on Oct 4, 2006 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Steinbrenner and Torre
by BlueBooHoo on Oct 4, 2006 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the Cubs haven't made a move to hire...
I doubt it will even get that far.
Someone will snatch up Girardi before the posteseason concludes.
by theprognosticator on Oct 4, 2006 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Theory
A. While Hendry might like Gonzalez and Brenly, he took a pass on each because he is lasered in on one guy, or a couple guys, he really likes. Maybe Joe Girard, maybe Lou Pinella, maybe somebody else...none of us can be quite sure at this stage.
B. Hendry's methodical, dim-witted ways have sabotaged the Cub chances of being in the bidding for a Gonzalez or a Brenly. You snooze you lose.
C. Hendry doesn't think much of Gonzalez and Brenly.
by BlueBooHoo on Oct 4, 2006 2:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Arghhhhhh
I just do not know what to say. Strike ONE on Jim Hendry.
by BlueBooHoo on Oct 4, 2006 2:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
WTF is the matter with you?
But last I read, Rothschild has been let go to pursue other opportunities. And if you had actually read the article, you would have seen that the door is open to LR only if the incoming manager wants to bring him back. What that means is Hendry won't interfere if the incoming manager wants to bring back a now former coach.
You're absolutely incredible. Someone is basically canned, and you still freak out because they MIGHT come back.
It will only happen if it is Piniella, and even then there's no guarantee.
And since Girardi is the only managerial candidate the Cubs have contacted so far, I'm not going to get upset about the extremely remote possibility as of yet.
by theprognosticator on Oct 4, 2006 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tell me professor
The good thing about the Girardi rumor is that if he comes to the Cubs he probably brings pitching coach Rick Krainitz, a guy who is one year removed from the Cubs and who knows the young pitching in our system.
by BlueBooHoo on Oct 4, 2006 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who the hell are you talking to?
Next time you plan on writing something in disagreement, make sure you read what the previous person wrote.
My previous post wasn't even anything remotely resembling an endorsement of Rothschild, just that you're a spaz for freaking out over the laughably slight possibility he might return.
by theprognosticator on Oct 4, 2006 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
by Johnny Callison was a Cub on Oct 4, 2006 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hendry better be on the
Point made previously, If Joe is hired, the pitching coach hire will be huge.
Get Girardi Hendry.
And all respect to Pete Gammons and his health issues of late, he is wrong more that not.
by Johnny Callison was a Cub on Oct 4, 2006 2:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Pete Gammons
by Scott G F on Oct 4, 2006 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think this is true.
He still knows baseball, though, and I enjoy listening to him.
by jcub on Oct 5, 2006 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
While it wasn't on a message board...
by lairdude on Oct 4, 2006 4:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I am speaking
by lairdude on Oct 4, 2006 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I got the impression from listening
by teacher tom on Oct 4, 2006 4:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You're right
by NO100 on Oct 4, 2006 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They are EASILY the most
by Santos Sorrow on Oct 4, 2006 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are they still on the air?
by Frustrated Fan on Oct 4, 2006 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
they are on in the afternoon
by Santos Sorrow on Oct 4, 2006 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Everyone is entitled to their own opinon
But what am I to know. I listen to Roe Conn on the way home, not even sports radio. The bar that guy and that show set for intelligence and wit makes B & B sound like they are frolicking in their own excrement.
by NO100 on Oct 4, 2006 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure what people
by Santos Sorrow on Oct 4, 2006 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's metaphorical
by NO100 on Oct 4, 2006 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
B&B
But for my money, when I do listen to sports radio, its Kaplan and Waddle or Mike and Mike in the Morning.
by BlueBooHoo on Oct 4, 2006 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Everyone knows
by lairdude on Oct 4, 2006 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There are chocolate assholes?
by theprognosticator on Oct 4, 2006 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They sell them at the specialty stores
by lairdude on Oct 4, 2006 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree on Joe G
Never got the feeling Dusty had much input on personnel and there may have been some clashes we don't know about...I'm sure Baker wanted another bopper after Sosa/Alou left bit they never got one really, even after D Lee's injury.
Am sure Girardi could work with Hendry and McDonough to put together a better product and org. than what we've had.
He should be signed sealed and delivered before he gets away...if he goes elsewhere, it will be worse than Furcal but fascinating to see how Hendry & Co try to spin....I don't think from a PR standpoint (not primary, but impt.) they can afford another colossal blunder at this point that enrages the fans when they end up with a "back-up'' manager choice.
Outside pressures=logic=Girardi with three-year deal with option for fourth.
Will be anxious to hear media on him more have heard a few reports he could be prickly with press, here and in Fla?? What has the Marlins beat reporter said?? Paul Sullivan or Teddy Greenstein? Not that it means everything, but Dusty's chilly relationship with Chi media--viz a viz his more cordial rel. in SF--didn't help matters.
by writerinwrigley on Oct 4, 2006 4:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Don't get too high on Pie
Patterson's brother, though, is looking like the real thing.
by tommy veryzer on Oct 4, 2006 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Completely Wrong
by VS on Oct 4, 2006 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
patterson
by tomas21 on Oct 5, 2006 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just want to go on record
by zambranofan on Oct 4, 2006 4:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Acta is the poor man's Fredi Gonzalez...
by theprognosticator on Oct 4, 2006 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, they both
by Santos Sorrow on Oct 4, 2006 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, do you have information?
I don't know anything about his managerial philosophy or skills, but would like to. There are a LOT of great Dominican players, and some of them might really want to play for him.
by zambranofan on Oct 4, 2006 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
SS, I was kidding...
by theprognosticator on Oct 4, 2006 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I should have saw that
by Santos Sorrow on Oct 4, 2006 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
eh no worries...
by theprognosticator on Oct 4, 2006 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Girardi and Krainitz
If Lou Pinella is hired, I will puke in my shoes. If Larry Rothschild comes back as Pinella's pitching coach, I will abandon the Cubs for the first time in history until new ownership arrives.
by BlueBooHoo on Oct 4, 2006 5:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If Piniella is hired I'll puke too...
by theprognosticator on Oct 4, 2006 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boston's hitting coach....
by FLCubsFan on Oct 4, 2006 5:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes
by Santos Sorrow on Oct 4, 2006 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boston coasches
Papa Jack, the hitting coach, is loved by David Ortiz who gives him a lot of the credit for his surge in Boston
by flyball on Oct 5, 2006 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did anyone
by sue369 on Oct 4, 2006 7:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Let's hope
by Santos Sorrow on Oct 4, 2006 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's certainly looking like he's almost lobbying..
It seems almost a done deal to me. Perhaps the Cubs will stretch it out a bit (aren't they required to interview a minority for the position in the course of their search?).
And when it happens it will represent probably the longest string of good decisions Hendry has made since he became GM.
Of course, with the exception of Girardi it has been addition by subtraction.
by theprognosticator on Oct 4, 2006 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you're right...
by theprognosticator on Oct 4, 2006 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are correct, but...
by Al on Oct 4, 2006 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
With the last
by wicubfan on Oct 4, 2006 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And some of us
Hoka hey!
by Littlerock Rynofan on Oct 5, 2006 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have you forgotten...
Or that he got Aramis Ramirez (granted, a salary dump) for basically nothing, and Derrek Lee for just a little more than nothing?
I grant you that in the last two years, Hendry has been on a pretty long losing streak. But his first two years were pretty darn good. He's got to find that place again.
by Al on Oct 4, 2006 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That he did...
Ditto Nomar.
He did make an effort to fix the bullpen three out of the last four years with the exception of the closers spot as he opted to trust Alfonseca then Borowski then Hawkins then Dempster.
He did bring back Maddux to form in 2004 what we all thought would be the best starting five in baseball and one of the best of all time.
However he has neglected certain aspects of the game which are vital to success which has undercut the effectiveness of many of his good moves.
He has been blind to the concept of OBP.
He has been uncommonly and exasperatingly loyal to players who do not merit loyalty.
He has been either been grossly misinformed about the state of certain players he has continually relied upon, or he has turned a blind eye to the warnings, enabling his own quixotic dreaming with tapes of Mark Prior and Kerry Wood's 2003 season, convinced that they will come around and boy we don't want to be without them when that happens.
He has not, perhaps to no fault of his own (this is probably a trib problem), landed a major free agent of significance (not even Maddux qualifies at the stage of his career the Cubs landed him), and has passed over a lot of quality players that this team could have used. Granted all of them are grossly overpaid, and granted, free agency is a precarious undertaking, but he has made little effort in this regard, content to troll the company line and continue to grab the free agents that are afterthoughts at best.
And considering how much he has abysmally failed the last two offseasons, it casts considerable doubt as to whether or not those good moves he made were not skill at all but merely part of a string of incredibly good luck.
Hendry seems to do his job like a man waiting to be rescued, and repeatedly, no rescue has come. As GM, as leader of the Cubs he should be ahead of the fans, not behind them. The fans figured it out about Prior and Wood well before Hendry did. Ditto Baker, Neifi, Rusch, the Dubois/Hollandsworth abomination, Burnitz, C-Pat, Farnsworth, etc, etc. He's constantly behind, and all his moves betray a lack of vision, of focus, and a fear that immobilizes him from doing much of anything. You think Beane would have allowed Aramis Ramirez to hold the A's for ransom like Hendry is? No, Beane would have shipped Ramirez out at the deadline and got at least one prospect out of the deal that would have turned into something useful, either in another deal, or on the team itself (of course it is doubtful Beane would have given Ramirez that ridiculous out clause in the first place). Do guys like Beane make mistakes? Absolutely. But their mistakes come from being boldly proactive, making their moves with a definite plan in mind, whereas Hendry's moves are timidly reactive, and strike of a man who does not have enough confidence in what he is doing.
Hopefully that all changes this offseason and Hendry surprises us all and proves me dead wrong.
by theprognosticator on Oct 4, 2006 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is
Great job.
Especially the "reactive" not "proactive" part.
Comments, Al?
by Peoria Matt on Oct 4, 2006 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Al
The Hundley deal was a complete salary wash with the Dodgers. Eric Karros was a grossly overpaid former star, and Mark Grudzielanek was in manager Jim Tracy's doghouse. It was a trade of one headache for two headaches where the dollars cancelled out. Hendry benefitted, but for crying out loud if this is one of his top trades ever then no wonder this team sucks and is coming off a 30 game under .500 season.
And lets not even get into Hendry's "stellar" track record in free agency.
by BlueBooHoo on Oct 5, 2006 8:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The box...
by elmolincoln on Oct 4, 2006 7:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree
And as far as Sweet Lou, it is absurd to think that Lou is anything but a winner. He has won in a lot of different positions in life. I lived in Seattle when he was there and the Mariners then were one of the best small ball teams ever. Every time they lost a superstar they got better. Sometimes old school just means disciplined. We haven't had that awhile. Please don't equate Lou to Dusty. They may be from the same generation but that is where the similarities stop.
All that said, I am optimistic. I think this might be the year.
Kyle
by Kyle Turney on Oct 4, 2006 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And
I just don't understand the interest in bringing back ex-Cubs just because they are ex-Cubs. Gene Clines and Gary Mathews were ex-Cubs. How about them? Bill Madlock won some batting titles. What is he doing these days?
by rlpete on Oct 5, 2006 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I vote for
by Santos Sorrow on Oct 5, 2006 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My vote
by Jesse Guam on Oct 5, 2006 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
by theprognosticator get ready...
Lou Pinella is the "Win Now" choice. THIS is the new MANTRA.
He has been successful in every place except in TAMPA including taking a worst to first and WS win with the Reds.
He has the experience and can gain the respect of the multi-millionaire players. For dealing with the FA's that will be signed this off-season and the Lee's/Ram, etc.
This could be a reason Hendry hires him if it happens.
I wouldn't be upset if Girardi is hired - but I DON'T WANT to WAIT ANYMORE if hiring Pinella gets the team to the WS quicker!
by TheEman on Oct 4, 2006 9:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
A win now manager?
There's no such thing.
by theprognosticator on Oct 4, 2006 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, what would you say about...
Terry Francona? 1st year w/Sox WS
Grady Little? 1st Yr, Dodgers, Playoffs
Phil Garner - SWITCHED AT ALL STAR GAME, Pennant. These are only recent examples.
Bullshit!
There IS such a thing as a "WIN NOW" manager!
by TheEman on Oct 4, 2006 10:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hindsight is 20/20
by rlpete on Oct 5, 2006 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually...
His 2nd season he won the pennant.
by TheEman on Oct 4, 2006 10:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Girardi seems like the guy....
He won't make all of the right moves but he'll make far more right than Dusty and he won't be making excuses for his shortcomings nor will he tolerate the same crap from his players. If he will manage the staff well and leverage the pen then I am totally sold...
Now if this is the Cubs No. 1 guy, then he better have an outstanding offer in front of him by noon tomorrow. You go balls to the wall for the number one guy here. Our team is in disarray, don't play coy and silly feeler games with this, Hendry--make him your best offer tomorrow or resign your GM position.
by DudeVf1 on Oct 4, 2006 10:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
This is kind of off the subject but...
Let's just hope everyone wants to play for Joe Girardi?
by KChiCubs on Oct 5, 2006 12:03 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Various Styles...
I guess the Cubs thought as much of him to DFA him.
And, I'm sure you wanted to sign Burnitz over JJones, too, right?
by TheEman on Oct 5, 2006 12:25 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Reply
Aren't you the guy who was bitching about Jerome Williams not being called up?
Yes. Your point?
I guess the Cubs thought as much of him to DFA him.
And he was picked up by the As, a much more smarter and competent organization than the Cubs.
And, I'm sure you wanted to sign Burnitz over JJones, too, right?
No.
by VS on Oct 5, 2006 1:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Burnitz for 1 season is STILL
by Santos Sorrow on Oct 5, 2006 6:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
At the time I would have agreed with you
by zambranofan on Oct 5, 2006 8:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have no doubt
by Santos Sorrow on Oct 5, 2006 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He may not be an "answer"...
As a complementary player, he can still be of some use the next two years, if upgrades are made to other offensive positions.
Or, perhaps now he has some trade value.
by Al on Oct 5, 2006 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Al
by Santos Sorrow on Oct 5, 2006 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like Jones is worth something, then
by zambranofan on Oct 5, 2006 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why?
I screamed when he was signed. But I no longer have qualms with his presence.
by BlueBooHoo on Oct 5, 2006 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Barry Rozner on Mike North this morning
If Hendry wanted Girardi, it would be done already.
by Tom on Oct 5, 2006 8:58 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That's what I think
by BlueBooHoo on Oct 5, 2006 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Will you just give up the Fregosi thing?
by Santos Sorrow on Oct 5, 2006 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe we should
* PLEASE COME HOME JOE!!*
by sue369 on Oct 5, 2006 9:11 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
HireJoeGirardi.com
I'd sign!
by Tom on Oct 5, 2006 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
An interesting
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/sports/baseball/15672616.htm
If you don't think the Cubs upper management aren't looking deeply into the reasons why a potential Manager of the Year candidate was summarily dismissed after one year of a lucrative 3 year contract...by an organization on a tight budget...you are missing something very important here.
by jazzman56 on Oct 5, 2006 3:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yep !!!
Hendry and the Cubs NEED to do their homework on Girardi. If Hendry can objectively satisfy himself that Girardi has learned from his mistakes and does indeed have many strong attributes, then I hope he hires him on the spot. But if not, then I fully expect Hendry to do the right thing, however unpopular it might be, and move onto other candidates.
by BlueBooHoo on Oct 5, 2006 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Everybody should read this article
by BlueBooHoo on Oct 5, 2006 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reply
Matt Herges, Marlins reliever, was on Boers and Bernstein today, being quizzed about what kind of manager Girardi was. According to Herges, everything bad that's been said about Girardi was a lie, he's the kind of man Matt aspires to be, he has integrity, he is neither too tough, nor too nice, he's like a dad, he uses tough love, Matt can't imagine that anyone wouldn't respond to Joe's style, Scott Olsen, the pitcher Girardi grabbed by the jersey during a Cubs game, would do anything for him, Joe's the best manager he ever played for, Ramirez and other slothful non-rookies would hustle for him because Cabrera used to dog it until Joe arrived (and was moved to tears by his departure), etc. And, this coronation was while Herges was ostensibly pulling his punches, as he didn't want to imply anything negative about the Marlins' organization
by VS on Oct 5, 2006 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

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