Jacque Jones To The White Sox?
For those of you who think I don't post enough current information, rumors or analysis -- and you know who you are -- here's something to get your Monday going.
Actually, I'm surprised no one picked up on this yesterday, since it was a tidbit buried in Phil Rogers' Sunday column, in discussing the White Sox' desire to "upgrade" left field from Scott Podsednik's poor 2006:
Hmmm! I thought. What if the Cubs offered, say, Jones, Will Ohman and (insert pitching prospect here) for either Freddy Garcia or Javier Vazquez?
Discuss. The Top 100 post will be along in an hour or two.
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Interesting
by Perkins on Nov 27, 2006 8:19 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I think...
by Al on Nov 27, 2006 8:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
TWO TRADES with............
In the end, though, the sux get Ohman for Cotts. Is that an upgrade?
by tville on Nov 27, 2006 8:24 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
It makes sense
by mrcubsfan on Nov 27, 2006 8:27 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I agree
by Ihatethecards on Nov 27, 2006 11:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting.
If we offered Jones, Al, that leaves us minus yet another lefty. I don't know why everyone hates Jones. He was a bright spot offensively. If we got Lugo, I geuss it would be o.k.
I've read today that The Red Sox a way off with Matsuzaka. They offered half of what Boras wants.
Also, anyone with info on the announcement for the winners for Igawa?
by fuzzycubfan on Nov 27, 2006 8:33 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Igawa...
by Al on Nov 27, 2006 8:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Al!
by fuzzycubfan on Nov 27, 2006 8:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I do like Igawa...
by Al on Nov 27, 2006 9:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I totally call Iggy for my sig if we get him.
by HanOfTheBluegrass on Nov 27, 2006 9:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
two
- this is phil orgers speculation, not a rumor.
- we don't have anyone to play right field or bat left handed, unless all reports that drew has all but signed with the bosox are false.
by tomas21 on Nov 27, 2006 8:36 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Garcia? YES!
by danimal15 on Nov 27, 2006 8:43 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Not sure about trading Jones
But for Garcia it might be a win-win for both teams. I'd be happy either way I guess.
by Scott G F on Nov 27, 2006 8:44 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I would do it in a heartbeat.....
by cubsfan4life on Nov 27, 2006 9:25 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Would the Sox do this?
The only way I see this happening is if the prospect was a top prospect, and I hope that Hendry wouldn't do that.
Remember that while Jones salary at this point is a bargain, so is Garcia's, so that is basically a wash.
by WGNstatic on Nov 27, 2006 9:35 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I read that rumor, but didn't see enough to post
But as others have mentioned, we'll really be hurting for a Left-handed bat, if JJ leaves. Though that one diary showed how well our other guys hit lefties, so I'm not too worried.
by HanOfTheBluegrass on Nov 27, 2006 9:45 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Possible problem with this
I have to point out though that yes, Garcia is a pretty good pitcher but his era hasn't always been the best, even during years that he's won a lot of games. I think some of his success has come from being on the right team at the right time. Still, I'd certainly take him in a Jones deal.
by pageian on Nov 27, 2006 10:29 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Tough Call
But given that our rotation right now consists of Z, Hill, and three big question marks, we may not have a choice. If the Cubs don't acquire two more quality starters before spring training, this offense won't mean a thing.
by ctcoff99 on Nov 27, 2006 10:53 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
anyone know
by china423 on Nov 27, 2006 11:00 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
No no and no
Jones might have some appeal to Chisox I think he had their No. in AL.
Try again. I hope if Cubs DO trade Jones they get a younger SP with more upside than these fading vets.
by writerinwrigley on Nov 27, 2006 11:28 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Garcia
by cubfaninSTL on Nov 27, 2006 11:34 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
GAWD
What is the fascination with Garcia over here?
by cubbiejulie on Nov 27, 2006 11:36 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I agree
Vazquez is a big question mark. He's never returned to his Montreal form, at least for very long. I don't really see him as a top of the rotation starter anymore, just an overpaid starter trying to convince everyone that he still is a top of the rotation type.
by pageian on Nov 27, 2006 2:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he
for comparison, last year a whip of 1.23 would put you 15th among starters in all of baseball.
and he'd been doing it in the AL.
by tomas21 on Nov 27, 2006 6:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for pointing that out.
He's Venezuelan so he's got that going for him. :)
by sparkles721 on Nov 27, 2006 7:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm.
Javier Vasquez? I'd take him in a heartbeat if the pricetag were Jones and a prospect. Vasquez is an enormous talent. I'm willing to invest that his mechanics can be fixed.
by BlueMike on Nov 27, 2006 3:51 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
A good point...
And I think Kenny Williams just might find himself a bit on the disappointed side when he fields offers for Garcia and Vazquez. Many teams are flush with cash this offseason and if I'm those teams, I hold on to my top prospects, because in future years, these guys performing at a high level and making less than 1MM per for 3 years are going to be extremely valuable in regards to their affect on the bottom line versus their performance on the field. If Garcia were signed long-term I'd be more inclined to think he could land quite a bit more, but it's one year, and I don't think there's a chance in hell he doesn't go to market next offseason.
So I think it's going to be the other way around. I think Williams is going to have to give up quite a bit more than Freddy Garcia in order to land a team's best young talent, or a bat of major significance, unless the contracts match up well.
Other than that I don't really believe he's coming to the Cubs.
by theprognosticator on Nov 27, 2006 4:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't say...
by Al on Nov 27, 2006 5:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Freddy Garcia
by BlueMike on Nov 27, 2006 5:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Garcia would be a reasonable addition, however
Having said that, getting a bonafide #2 guy is looking more bleak. Hendry is going to have to be awfully crafty through a trade, something that I have a feeling he will accomplish.
by LuisSalazar on Nov 27, 2006 6:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If I'm Kenny Williams...
Now if I'm Jim Hendry, there would be a quandry. Vasquez is probably more likely to become an ace type pitcher, but is also more likely to be a frustrating #5 type guy.
I will always remember to 03 game between Prior and Vasquez, an all time great pitchers dual.
by WGNstatic on Nov 27, 2006 8:30 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Interesting debate
It seems like Jones, Ohman or Wuertz and anyone of the White Sox's choice out of the minors except Pie would be fair. I'd even sweeten the pot a little if necessary with a second prospect (Gallagher and Veal?).
Then the Cubs have their No. 1 and 2 guys -- Zambrano and Garcia, and could sign Meche or Padilla as a No. 3. I like Hill as a No. 4, and then you've got the Best of the Rest to compete for the No. 5 spot.
Then I put Pie in the Opening Day lineup and sign another lefty bat.
I like the pick, Al. But I still think the Sox will drive a hard bargain. And I have some doubts about Javier. Seems too soft.
by cubz1963 on Nov 28, 2006 1:46 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
No way Kenny would do this deal
KW's main goal in trading one of our pitchers is to make room for BMac in the rotation and get back some high potential pitching prospects that would be ready in a year or two to pitch in the bigs. Freddy will fetch more than a decent outfielder with a weak arm.
If by chance this did happen, I would cry and bemoan the disappearance of the real KDub.
by jeeves on Nov 28, 2006 2:35 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
No jones for Jones...
by DrCrawdad on Nov 28, 2006 11:18 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Take it.
The facts are that White Sox will trade either Vasquez or Garcia to make room for McCarthy. Right now they're probably just shopping them to see what they can get. Although they do have some decent OF prospects, after Anderson had a horrible 2006 they will think twice before throwing any of them in there full-time. Jones would be a great player to plug in the outfield just in case Anderson doesn't progress fast enough, or Podsednik plays like 2006 Podsednik and not like 2005 Podsednik.
Looking at it from our side, we need starting pitching. We might sign one of the top ones (if that!), but that still leaves us with 2 spots to fill (Hi Mark! How's your vacation?) Although I'd think twice before calling Garcia a number 2 starter, he's a solid pitcher, and definitely better than one of the 2nd-tier free agents like Suppan, etc.
That's that, now I'm still afraid that White Sox will find some other team to dance with...
by Trade Yourself In on Nov 29, 2006 6:02 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

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