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Jacque Jones To The White Sox?

For those of you who think I don't post enough current information, rumors or analysis -- and you know who you are -- here's something to get your Monday going.

Actually, I'm surprised no one picked up on this yesterday, since it was a tidbit buried in Phil Rogers' Sunday column, in discussing the White Sox' desire to "upgrade" left field from Scott Podsednik's poor 2006:

The Brewers would love to deal Geoff Jenkins, and the Cubs are trying to build a market for Jacque Jones. Either would be a better option in left than going to arbitration to keep Podsednik.

Hmmm! I thought. What if the Cubs offered, say, Jones, Will Ohman and (insert pitching prospect here) for either Freddy Garcia or Javier Vazquez?

Discuss. The Top 100 post will be along in an hour or two.

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Interesting
For Garcia, I'd do that. Not Vasquez, though; the last thing we need is another starter who can't clear the sixth.
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by Perkins on Nov 27, 2006 8:19 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I think...
... the White Sox would take that, too, for Garcia. The contracts are pretty much equal: about $10M left on Jones' deal, $9M left on Garcia's.

by Al on Nov 27, 2006 8:22 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

TWO TRADES with............
........the sux in one year?  Doesn't seem possible, but if Williams would give up Garcia for the triumvirate you mention, Al, it would be a great deal for the Cubs.

In the end, though, the sux get Ohman for Cotts.  Is that an upgrade?

by tville on Nov 27, 2006 8:24 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Since...
... the White Sox gave up on Cotts, I suspect they'd see it that way. Plus, they also got Aardsma, who they like. And, they'd be getting one of our pitching prospects, too.

by Al on Nov 27, 2006 8:30 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It makes sense
Pretty much a wash trade with us getting a quality pitcher (Garcia) and losing a mid grade outfielder + reliever+prospect. The reason it may work is that it is a good deal for both teams. We could invest in top level pitching with the money we have left.
Spendry!!!

by mrcubsfan on Nov 27, 2006 8:27 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Plus...
... if Garcia turns out to continue to be an inning-eater, he could be signed to an extension. Remember, he is only 31, and he pitched several (good) years for Piniella in Seattle.

by Al on Nov 27, 2006 8:31 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree
I'd do that deal in a minute.  We need starters!

by Ihatethecards on Nov 27, 2006 11:16 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting.
 After the Cotts deal, it's obvious that there can be a cross town trade. It's well known that the Sox's starting pitchers aren't untouchable. I'd love to have Javier Vazquez. I've always liked him.
 If we offered Jones, Al, that leaves us minus yet another lefty. I don't know why everyone hates Jones. He was a bright spot offensively. If we got Lugo, I geuss it would be o.k.
 I've read today that The Red Sox a way off with Matsuzaka. They offered half of what Boras wants.
 Also, anyone with info on the announcement for the winners for Igawa?
So far, so good. Now let's save a little money for starting pitching, Jim Spendry!!

by fuzzycubfan on Nov 27, 2006 8:33 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Igawa...
... the deadline for bids is today, so it will be a few more days till we know.

by Al on Nov 27, 2006 8:47 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks Al!
I've just posted a diary before I read yor reply. So it may sound misleading. So, Al, what are your thoughts on Igawa? Do you think we got him? Is he a good fit with our team? Do you like him?
So far, so good. Now let's save a little money for starting pitching, Jim Spendry!!

by fuzzycubfan on Nov 27, 2006 8:51 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I do like Igawa...
... depending on the price, he would likely be a good #4 starter. I have no idea what his posting fee would be.

by Al on Nov 27, 2006 9:07 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I totally call Iggy for my sig if we get him.
Been waiting on that one. ;)
BIG NAME PITCHER!! This sig is from the future, but didn't hear the specifics.

by HanOfTheBluegrass on Nov 27, 2006 9:44 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

two
problems:
  1. this is phil orgers speculation, not a rumor.
  2. we don't have anyone to play right field or bat left handed, unless all reports that drew has all but signed with the bosox are false.
DEJESUS!!!

by tomas21 on Nov 27, 2006 8:36 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Garcia? YES!
I think Jones is a very adequate RF who gives you decent power and BA, but if we could get Garcia for him, it's a no brainer. We need starting pitching. We need guys who can go more than 5 or 6 innings. All we have now in that category is Zambrano. You can't win pennants without pitching.

by danimal15 on Nov 27, 2006 8:43 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Not sure about trading Jones
Jones is the type of role player the Cubs might need. He's the type B player that complaments the type A's around him. The Cubs can't get all type A players and Jones is a decent enough player. I say keep him.

But for Garcia it might be a win-win for both teams. I'd be happy either way I guess.

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by Scott G F on Nov 27, 2006 8:44 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I would do it in a heartbeat.....
If we could get Garcia for Jones, Ohman and a prospect there shouldn't be any 2nd thoughts here. I agree that Jones is a great B type player, however Garcia is an A type pitcher who would fit in nicely, pitching after our ONLY Ace, Zambrano.
There are 3 things in my life which I really love: God, family, and baseball. The only problem - once baseball season starts, I change the order around a bit.

by cubsfan4life on Nov 27, 2006 9:25 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Would the Sox do this?
My guess is that the White Sox could do far better than Jacques Jones if they offer up Garcia.  For example, wouldn't Adam Dunn seem like a possibility for LF for the Sox if they matched up with the Reds?

The only way I see this happening is if the prospect was a top prospect, and I hope that Hendry wouldn't do that.

Remember that while Jones salary at this point is a bargain, so is Garcia's, so that is basically a wash.

Eamus Ursuli!

by WGNstatic on Nov 27, 2006 9:35 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Dunn...
... might work for the White Sox, except, as noted, he's really a DH in fielder's disguise. Plus, I'd think he'd cost the Sox more than Garcia.

by Al on Nov 27, 2006 9:38 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I read that rumor, but didn't see enough to post
I'd like the trade (if we got Garcia), but until I hear more, it's just speculation to me.

But as others have mentioned, we'll really be hurting for a Left-handed bat, if JJ leaves. Though that one diary showed how well our other guys hit lefties, so I'm not too worried.

BIG NAME PITCHER!! This sig is from the future, but didn't hear the specifics.

by HanOfTheBluegrass on Nov 27, 2006 9:45 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Possible problem with this
Remember that Jones played for the Twins before coming to Chicago.  That means that the Sox saw a lot of him.  They saw auite a few weak throws and sub-.800  OPS's.  For all of those who don't understand why we should trade Jones you need to go back and look at his track record.  He had a fine year last year and yes, he's a descent enough complimentary player.  But at this point we'd be selling high in a sellers market.  Do it.

I have to point out though that yes, Garcia is a pretty good pitcher but his era hasn't always been the best, even during years that he's won a lot of games.  I think some of his success has come from being on the right team at the right time.  Still, I'd certainly take him in a Jones deal.

by pageian on Nov 27, 2006 10:29 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Or...
... maybe it'd make them want him MORE. Jones' career splits at the Cell: .308/.360/.535, 10 HR in 172 AB.

by Al on Nov 27, 2006 10:40 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I guess
Jones just really likes Chicago or something.  It'll be interesting to see how he does next year if he's still here.

by pageian on Nov 27, 2006 2:49 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Tough Call
We REALLY need starting pitching, obviously.  However, I do like Jones' left-handed bat hitting fifth behind Lee and Ramirez, and then Michael Barrett behind Jones.  With this potentially great offense the Cubs are putting together, the only problem with trading Jones is all of our other good hitters are right-handed. I hate to give up a left-handed bat who can give you a .280-20-70 type stat sheet to complement our other big bats.  

But given that our rotation right now consists of Z, Hill, and three big question marks, we may not have a choice.  If the Cubs don't acquire two more quality starters before spring training, this offense won't mean a thing.

"Don't complain to me about the stormy weather, boys. Just bring the ship into port." --Steve Stone, September 2004

by ctcoff99 on Nov 27, 2006 10:53 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

anyone know
what day and time that soriano press conference is?

by china423 on Nov 27, 2006 11:00 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

No no and no
doesn't work for either side...Cubs can't afford to get less left-handed and Garcia/Vasquez on downside (also expensive)...don't think either team would wanna do such a risky deal.

Jones might have some appeal to Chisox I think he had their No. in AL.

Try again. I hope if Cubs DO trade Jones they get a younger SP with more upside than these fading vets.

by writerinwrigley on Nov 27, 2006 11:28 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Garcia
would be a great addition.  He is great in day games.  He so much better in day games that he would make a great no.# 2 for us.

by cubfaninSTL on Nov 27, 2006 11:34 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

GAWD
I don't want Garcia or Vasquez. I'd rather break the bank getting Schmidt and Meche/Lily.

What is the fascination with Garcia over here?

HENDRY!

by cubbiejulie on Nov 27, 2006 11:36 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I agree
About Garcia.  He's good enough I suppose but he's never been all that.  He is durable and he does win games but he's not a stat lovers dream.  I'd be happy if he were in our rotation but I wouldn't be too wild about him being our #2.  He is better than what we've got now though.

Vazquez is a big question mark.  He's never returned to his Montreal form, at least for very long.  I don't really see him as a top of the rotation starter anymore, just an overpaid starter trying to convince everyone that he still is a top of the rotation type.

by pageian on Nov 27, 2006 2:52 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

he
has pitched 200+ innings for the past 7 years during which time he averaged a whip of 1.23. most stat guys would be happy to have that guy.

for comparison, last year a whip of 1.23 would put you 15th among starters in all of baseball.

and he'd been doing it in the AL.

DEJESUS!!!

by tomas21 on Nov 27, 2006 6:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for pointing that out.
I'm with Julie. I've never understood why people want Garcia either.  

He's Venezuelan so he's got that going for him. :)

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by sparkles721 on Nov 27, 2006 7:18 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Hmmm.
I have a hard time believing that the White Sox would trade Freddy Garcia for only Jacque Jones and a middling prospect.  Garcia is a workhorse who delivers 225 plus innings and 15 plus wins.  And he has an attractive contract situation.  Given the extreme shortage of quality starting pitching around the league, I would think the Sox could get the motherlode for Garcia.  

Javier Vasquez?  I'd take him in a heartbeat if the pricetag were Jones and a prospect.  Vasquez is an enormous talent.  I'm willing to invest that his mechanics can be fixed.  

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by BlueMike on Nov 27, 2006 3:51 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

A good point...
...but however, if I'm a team with strong prospects, with the way this market is going, I'm not giving up a bunch of them to land one year of Freddy Garcia. It seems the underlying logic of your post is that this offseason is nuts, but future ones won't be, and I don't think that will be the case. I think what we are witnessing is the new standard.

And I think Kenny Williams just might find himself a bit on the disappointed side when he fields offers for Garcia and Vazquez. Many teams are flush with cash this offseason and if I'm those teams, I hold on to my top prospects, because in future years, these guys performing at a high level and making less than 1MM per for 3 years are going to be extremely valuable in regards to their affect on the bottom line versus their performance on the field. If Garcia were signed long-term I'd be more inclined to think he could land quite a bit more, but it's one year, and I don't think there's a chance in hell he doesn't go to market next offseason.

So I think it's going to be the other way around. I think Williams is going to have to give up quite a bit more than Freddy Garcia in order to land a team's best young talent, or a bat of major significance, unless the contracts match up well.

Other than that I don't really believe he's coming to the Cubs.

PINIELLA!

by theprognosticator on Nov 27, 2006 4:23 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't say...
... Jones and a middling prospect. I said Jones, a prospect AND a major league bullpen pitcher. I suggested Ohman; it could be Wuertz, perhaps. The White Sox desperately need bullpen help.

by Al on Nov 27, 2006 5:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Freddy Garcia
and Carlos Zambrano would form a solid and mega-durable 1-2 punch at the front of the rotation.  But again, what do the Cubs have that the White Sox really want?  Jacque Jones?  I'm guessing not.  They already have good quality youngsters Ryan Sweeney, Josh Fields and Brian Anderson vying for outfield playing time.  And Ozzie wants a speed merchant, ala a Chone Figgins.  
Rommel, you magnificent bastard, I READ YOUR BOOK !!!

by BlueMike on Nov 27, 2006 5:45 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Garcia would be a reasonable addition, however
he should NOT be considered the 'premier' pitcher the Cubs are looking for this offseason.  By no means does he/or should he be thought of as a #2 starter behind Z.  His numbers are so up and down/inconsistent, and I think that will only be inflated at Wrigley. His stats have clearly shown decline.  An innings eater? yes.  A reasonable 3rd or 4th starter? sure.  Not a #2-we're in trouble if we need to rely on Garcia as our #2 guy, someone who should create wins in 60-70% of his starts.  

Having said that, getting a bonafide #2 guy is looking more bleak.  Hendry is going to have to be awfully crafty through a trade, something that I have a feeling he will accomplish.

by LuisSalazar on Nov 27, 2006 6:42 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

If I'm Kenny Williams...
I'd rather trade Vasquez.  He may have more upside, but he is also a bit more inconsistent.  With the rotation they have, I would hold onto Garcia, an inning eater on a team short in the bullpen.

Now if I'm Jim Hendry, there would be a quandry.  Vasquez is probably more likely to become an ace type pitcher, but is also more likely to be a frustrating #5 type guy.  

I will always remember to 03 game between Prior and  Vasquez, an all time great pitchers dual.

Eamus Ursuli!

by WGNstatic on Nov 27, 2006 8:30 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Interesting debate
Garcia's numbers look better to me than any of the names being thrown about that the Cubs could trade for -- such as Westbrook and Jennings.

It seems like Jones, Ohman or Wuertz and anyone of the White Sox's choice out of the minors except Pie would be fair. I'd even sweeten the pot a little if necessary with a second prospect (Gallagher and Veal?).

Then the Cubs have their No. 1 and 2 guys -- Zambrano and Garcia, and could sign Meche or Padilla as a No. 3. I like Hill as a No. 4, and then you've got the Best of the Rest to compete for the No. 5 spot.

Then I put Pie in the Opening Day lineup and sign another lefty bat.

I like the pick, Al. But I still think the Sox will drive a hard bargain. And I have some doubts about Javier. Seems too soft.

by cubz1963 on Nov 28, 2006 1:46 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

No way Kenny would do this deal
The Mets inquired about getting Freddy and KW wanted in return Lastings Milledge and Phil Humber/Mike Pelfrey. I highly, highly doubt that Kenny would pull the trigger for Jones, a 30 reliever coming off (from the uninformed eye, correct me if I'm wrong), and a throw-in minor leaguer.

KW's main goal in trading one of our pitchers is to make room for BMac in the rotation and get back some high potential pitching prospects that would be ready in a year or two to pitch in the bigs. Freddy will fetch more than a decent outfielder with a weak arm.

If by chance this did happen, I would cry and bemoan the disappearance of the real KDub.

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by jeeves on Nov 28, 2006 2:35 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

No jones for Jones...
I'll take Josh Fields, Ryan Sweeney or even Pods over the strapping Jacque Jones.

by DrCrawdad on Nov 28, 2006 11:18 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Take it.
I don't really like Jacque Jones, so this probably won't be a fair look at that rumor, but oh well...
The facts are that White Sox will trade either Vasquez or Garcia to make room for McCarthy.  Right now they're probably just shopping them to see what they can get.  Although they do have some decent OF prospects, after Anderson had a horrible 2006 they will think twice before throwing any of them in there full-time.  Jones would be a great player to plug in the outfield just in case Anderson doesn't progress fast enough, or Podsednik plays like 2006 Podsednik and not like 2005 Podsednik.
Looking at it from our side, we need starting pitching.  We might sign one of the top ones (if that!), but that still leaves us with 2 spots to fill (Hi Mark! How's your vacation?)  Although I'd think twice before calling Garcia a number 2 starter, he's a solid pitcher, and definitely better than one of the 2nd-tier free agents like Suppan, etc.
That's that, now I'm still afraid that White Sox will find some other team to dance with...

by Trade Yourself In on Nov 29, 2006 6:02 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

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