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Some News About Randy Johnson

No, he's not coming to the Cubs. Nor do I want a 43-year-old pitcher with back problems whose ERA was 5.00 last year.

The reason I'm posting this is that he's not returning to the Diamondbacks, either, despite rumors to the contrary on my SB Nation sister site AZ Snakepit.

I know this because I have received an email from a correspondent in the Phoenix area who tells me this story of something heard on a Phoenix-area radio talk show yesterday:

... they had a guest on who is the former AG of Arizona.He lives in the same neighborhood as RJ and he knows people that know the Unit & his wife. Some time ago, one of these people gave him an email addy that was purported to be RJs.

Anyway, this guy couldn't sleep early yesterday morning (too much egg nog, I guess) and he went out at 4AM to get the paper and saw the article about RJ possibly coming back to the D'Backs.  So, in his early morning haze, he fired up his laptop and sent RJ an email saying "Just do it, Randy. You know you want to come back to Arizona, so forget about all the contract stuff and just do it. You know you will be much happier".

Well, when he sent the email, he was certain it wasn't really Randy's and that it just went off into cyberspace.

But, lo and behold, a short while later he got a response from Johnson. It said:

#1)  Who are you?

#2)  Where did you hear this?

#3)  I am NOT coming back to Arizona

Sounds pretty definitive to me. I think the Yankees are going to be stuck with him.

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locked and loaded NYY's they are...
too bad they can't back up the truck
Best Harry moment: 'Hey there's Marla without her shorts on!'

by Ivy Walls on Dec 27, 2006 3:37 PM CST reply actions  

Hardly definitive...
...personally, I think the Unit ends up in San Diego.
PINIELLA!

by theprognosticator on Dec 27, 2006 3:39 PM CST reply actions  

Maybe.
If they do that, why not bring Fergie Jenkins out of retirement? He's only 63.

by Al Yellon on Dec 27, 2006 3:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Why would the Padres
want to pay $16 mil/year and give up prospects for Johnson?

If they were willing to dole out that kind of cash, they would have gone after Lilly or Meche or maybe would go after Zito.

Plus, their rotation looks pretty good right now.

I think the Yankees are stuck with him, until a contenting team has a pitcher get hurt such that they are forced to work a trade for Johnson.  Otherwise, I can't imagine any team being dumb enough to trade with the Yankees for their garbage.

by nickler on Dec 27, 2006 6:37 PM CST up reply actions  

um...
...perhaps because the Unit is far better than Lilly and Meche even with his off year last season. And with Zito the Padres were in the hunt for a little while, but shelling out 16MM over 1 year is far different than 16MM over 6-7.

And if you're looking for another reason, here you go:

The Padres lineup is garbage.

Piazza's gone. So is Roberts. They traded away a promising bat in Barfield for a maybe so in Kouzmanoff. Cameron and Giles are over the hill. Greene has never lived up to the hype and Little Marcus is coming off a poor season and is moving to a park that probably won't help him out offensively.

So, if I'm the Padres, if I can land Randy Johnson, it's worth shelling out the coin for one season to make my rotation the best in the West and probably the National League, seeing that for the Padres, squeezing out runs will be about as easy as the winner of the annual Wisconsin Cheese Eating contest squeezing out you know what the next day.  

If you can't get great offensively, then you must try another way. And as long as the Yankees are fine with a low return prospect wise for Johnson and the Padres are fine with assuming the entirety of the money involved, then it makes sense for both parties to make the deal (assuming that the Yankees would then turn around and sign Zito).

PINIELLA!

by theprognosticator on Dec 27, 2006 8:06 PM CST up reply actions  

well...
he wasn't last year.  Randy's ERA+ was 88, compared to 109 for Lilly and even Meche wiwth 97.
MURTON!!!

by tal1286 on Dec 27, 2006 9:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Although
after reading the article below, he did get really unlucky so even that corrected stat would reflect bad luck.
MURTON!!!

by tal1286 on Dec 27, 2006 9:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Strange argument...
...Johnson, despite his high ERA last year is still a quality pitcher for what would be the last year of his deal. Certainly better than Jamie Moyer and possibly even Greg Maddux (sorry Jess).

Check this out:  

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/unfiltered/?p=119

The Unit can still get it done, and it's worth it for a team like the Padres to consider adding him if the Yankees are fine with essentially dumping him, which they may or may not be.

Anyway you look at it, an email to some schmoe who says he knows Randy Johnson isn't something I'll be lobbying to get included in Biblical canon. As I said before, it's hardly conclusive. It may turn out to be right, but it's not the sort of stuff I hang my hat on simply because crap like this is easily invented and difficult to prove.  

So, with all apologies to Randy Johnson's neighbor, I think I'll wait for something more definitive and trustworthy.

PINIELLA!

by theprognosticator on Dec 27, 2006 7:58 PM CST up reply actions  

I never understood this anyways,
I didn't realize the Diamondbacks had that kind of money to throw around anyways.
AC 00 00 00 - BELIEVE

by mike @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Dec 27, 2006 3:40 PM CST reply actions  

Definitive?
Are you serious?  So there is absolutely no chance that someone has an e-mail address and is pretending to be Randy Johnson?

I see nothing definitive...

by big_lowitzki on Dec 27, 2006 3:50 PM CST reply actions  

e mail yeah right
read any randy johnson interview and he will tell you he dispises computers and doesnt know how to email much less have an email address. next time do your own research before you listen to someone who likes to tell stories

by grandmarquis on Dec 28, 2006 10:41 AM CST up reply actions  

Are you still drunk...
 from Christmas? Passing off 4th hand information as definitive? Shoulda kept this one in your pocket.

by Damen Jackson on Dec 27, 2006 4:30 PM CST reply actions  

Ivy Walls...
Your headline is very Yoda-esque... :)
First DeRosa. Next DeSosa!

by bergs55 on Dec 27, 2006 4:30 PM CST reply actions  

I've seen less.....
.....credible sources printed in major newspapers.

 So no Johnson in the Desert. There's been a couple quiet rumors out here in SoCal that the Angels might be interested.

AC046299

by escapegoat on Dec 27, 2006 5:19 PM CST reply actions  

He won't be a Yankee in 07
The Yankee's confirming they are trying to trade him
is  like the Godfather telling you , that you are dead to him.
USUALLY the deny the rumor and THEN trade the player in
question, they don't confirm and then say  " oh well we tried"
I don't doubt the authenticity of the e mail exchange but
it may only mean that RJ has no desire to say anything
to people e mailing him out of the blue. He may well prefer
the Padres or Dodgers who may also be interested.
Basically the Yankees want someone to take as much of
the contract as possible and who Johnson  will agree to wave
the NTC . Johnson is not a fool and it is unlikely he
will stay where he is not wanted if presented with viable
alternative. The D'backs make the most sense as he would
be a HUGE draw for them and easily justify the cost but
if he wants to go only to a contender the Yankees will have
to get an offer from another West Coast team
I love the ballpark. I love the city. I love the fans. Aside from how we've played this year, there's nothing not to like about Chicago." Greg Maddux 7/29/06

by jessica on Dec 27, 2006 6:04 PM CST reply actions  

Randy Johnson..
Still the funniest name in sports.

I've also wondered why Dick Johnson of local Chicago TV news hasn't changed his name.

Well, sometimes nothin is a real cool hand.

by wicubfan on Dec 27, 2006 6:40 PM CST reply actions  

funnier
than dick butkis?
DEJESUS!!!

by tomas21 on Dec 27, 2006 7:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Dick Pole
 Smokes every other sports names ever. The Dick Butkus'of the sports world bow to Dick Pole.
AC046299

by escapegoat on Dec 27, 2006 7:44 PM CST up reply actions  

I have never been able...
... to figure out, if your given name is Richard Pole, why you would call yourself Dick. Wouldn't you choose "Rich" or "Rick"?

by Al Yellon on Dec 27, 2006 8:18 PM CST up reply actions  

I guess he liked Dick....
.....better.
AC046299

by escapegoat on Dec 28, 2006 1:38 AM CST up reply actions  

That is a good one..
Being a Badger fan I have also enjoyed the Arkansas Razorbacks coach's name of Huston Nutt. Their starting QB is Casey Dick..that has endless possibilities..
Well, sometimes nothin is a real cool hand.

by wicubfan on Dec 27, 2006 10:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Umm..
Sourcing?  Al, I understand you will not want to mention any names. But -- as it stands, this  'unconfirmed reply' is a bit, well -- unconfirmed.

If you have been forwarded the E-mail, and can confirm it came from (what is believed to be) Johnson's address -- I'll buy it. (I don't think Johnson is going anywhere, outside of this)

I've taken others to task over the issue of 'sourcing,' so I should be fair, and repeat the same concern now. I have also mentioned 'unnamed sources,' but in those cases, it is a direct link to an MLB employee or a relation of that MLB employee. (But, those names need to stay in my pocket.)

The Padres won't be shelling out cash for Randy Johnson. They still want another starter, but it's going to be from the bargain bin, and here's perhaps a reason why.

Let me refer you to an excerpt of a diary that I wrote for Gaslamp Ball, after a Sandy Alderson interview for a local sports-gibberish station:

(The Cubs fan had to do it, or nobody else would.)

 

(After the signing of Marcus Giles) Alderson said that "we've spent 22 mil of the 30 mil" we said we were going to spend. And "we might spend more than the 30 mil." As usual, he declined to elaborate.

Perhaps he meant a pitcher would be acquired with what's left -- a 5th starter. (Not Barry Zito, however.) It appears if David Wells doesn't want a lot -- they'd sign him. (Just a guess, here.)

Alderson seemed to be happy with the LF situation.
(RE: Termell Sledge/Jose Cruz Jr.) He then went on to state, "We're not tied into anybody long term, so if we need to get somebody else, we can."

Translated: "If these guys suck, we'll cut them and they won't cost much. Then, we'll scour the waiver wire."

And that's the Alderson update -- 5 minutes of info, but he talked for nearly 20 mins.

Doesn't sound like a guy who wants to spend any money past his budget, does it?

No players will be traded from SD on a nearly-washed up pitcher. The Padres just don't have anybody to deal off. (Why have 2 nearly washed-up pitchers in your rotation? Sorry, Maddux fans -- but I think I'll be proven right by about mid-season. I took a lot of flack for my critique of Maddux earlier, but I stand by it.)

I do not follow the D-Backs situation, but they'd be just as foolish to trade for Johnson.

by Smooth Jazz Man San Diego on Dec 27, 2006 8:41 PM CST reply actions  

Hey...
... I posted something I got from someone who heard this reported on a Phoenix radio station (not a sports-talk station, incidentally). I reported it as such.

I think it's pretty good information, considering the source was a man who used to be the attorney general of the state of Arizona, and he got this email address from a person who was known to him as a personal friend and neighbor of Randy Johnson.

And I agree with you, Johnson's not going to SD or Arizona.

LAA makes sense, but you know how difficult Bill Stoneman is to trade with.

The bottom line is, the Yankees might want to get rid of Johnson and his contract, but there probably aren't a lot of people lined up to take him.

by Al Yellon on Dec 27, 2006 8:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, OK.
It's that left-over journalistic instinct in me.
(or too much spare time on my hands these days)
 

by Smooth Jazz Man San Diego on Dec 27, 2006 9:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Al...
 I think you're awesome, but I can't stop giggling right now. Let me get a hit of that bong man.

by Damen Jackson on Dec 27, 2006 11:46 PM CST up reply actions  

There's only one way
I think any team will take him and that is the if the Yankees eat a significant amount of the salary but from what I've heard the NYY seem determined not to do that so I guess we'll have to see.
MURTON!!!

by tal1286 on Dec 27, 2006 9:48 PM CST reply actions  

Let's take it to the bank
So the source lives in the same area code and knows somebody who's a sister of a second-cousin of an old classmate of the guy who pumps the Unit's gas, and he got ahold of the address bigunit@hotmail.com, and he says Johnson told him he's not coming back? Is that about where we're at?

And IF it was a deal where we didn't have to give up much, I'd absolutely take a guy with his stuff on a team built for the immediate future. But that's just me.

by JDay on Dec 27, 2006 10:42 PM CST reply actions  

Interesting Al....
you once questioned me "Do you believe everything you read in the papers?"

And you call this info in this post "definitive"?

Nice double standard.

by Peoria Matt on Dec 28, 2006 5:39 AM CST reply actions  

Well, this is going to be buried here,
but it's not worth a new diary.  Arizona doesn't have lefty relievers.  If Jones is traded, and the Cubs need a stopgap centerfielder, do you think Arizona would take Ohman for DaVanon?  Should the Cubs make that deal?

Also, some reports say the key position the Yankees would want to fill in a Johnson trade would be lefty reliever.  Perhaps the Cubs could supply Ohman or Cotts as part of a three-way deal, and get someone less redundant in return.

The call of the Cub fan, c. 1893: "one long, ravaged, derisive yell...a cyclonic whoop!"

by cubzfan on Dec 28, 2006 1:13 PM CST reply actions  

WOWZA
We are totally going nuts with this speculation over at the Zito to Giants diary. Please join us!
TOWEL DRILL!

by tyger1147 on Dec 28, 2006 1:52 PM CST up reply actions  

response
Pretty definitive?  Hahahaha!

                   

by kanderber on Dec 28, 2006 7:58 PM CST reply actions  

On "definitive"
I know that a lot of us say that things are definitive, or we speak in definitive terms (I know I've done it re Marquis).  But the thing is, very little in baseball is definitive.  Some of us (well, not me) may indeed have very reliable sources, but I don't see the point in saying that ANYTHING is definitive, since the only definitive thing in baseball is that nothing is definitive.  
PTBNL!

by gravedigger on Dec 28, 2006 11:41 PM CST reply actions  

That's not true.
That's like saying nothing in life is definitive, which nothing really is.  I don't like it when people say that though. Maybe I'm a little too confident, but I like to think there are plenty of definitives.

Aramis will be here next year. Soriano will be here next year.  D-Lee will be here.  Santana will be with the Twins and Joe Mauer will catch some of his games.

And more importantly, BCB will be here tomorrow even if the server crashes for 12 hours of the day, Al will put up another post, and you and I will be here too. :)

I'm sorry if you just meant stuff like trades and signing/trade reports aren't definitive because then I agree and my rant is just for other stuff.

"I don't talk. I just let what I do talk for myself." -Johan Santana

by sparkles721 on Dec 29, 2006 12:01 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, that's what I meant
Trades and signings, mostly.  Soriano will NEVER sign here!  Hendry will NEVER pull off a trade for Nomar!  Aramis will NEVER take less money to play in Chicago!

These are all definitives we've heard here from various people, and I know I do it too.  But none of us know anything definitively, because we can't.  The behind the scenes workings of baseball encompass so many people and so many situations, inside scoops seem almost pointless.

PTBNL!

by gravedigger on Dec 29, 2006 12:10 AM CST up reply actions  

Perhaps...
... the use of "definitive" was too, well, definitive.

What if I had posted the information without that statement?

by Al Yellon on Dec 29, 2006 4:04 AM CST up reply actions  

Half of the comments here would be gone.
"I don't talk. I just let what I do talk for myself." -Johan Santana

by sparkles721 on Dec 29, 2006 11:02 AM CST up reply actions  

If I may interject...
does RJ have a no-trade clause? I don't think so.

Also, why would RJ tell the truth about how he feels about a trade to anyone? especially in an email, although I wouldn't be surprised if he wanted out of NY after all he's been through and the fact he would do better in the NL west.

finally, I don't see what this has anything to do with the cubs. I can't envision Hendry making a significant trade that would help the cubs at all, including jacque jones. i've lost faith in his capacity to do that. He'd be better off having a heart-to-heart with JJ, convincing him to stay, rather than shipping him off for shitty prospects that won't pan out for our cubs either short or long term. that's how little faith I have in Hendry. I've said from day one that Soriano should be given CF, keep Jones in RF, with a platoon, then bring up Pie to man RF when they feel like it. I think Soriano would do just fine in CF. I don't care if a RF should have better numbers than a center fielder. To me they are interchangable offensively. Let's look at what's best for the club in 2007 and beyond. It still wouldn't hurt the future. Pie has a better arm for RF than Soriano anyway. I'm tired of hearing this conventional SABR thinking that the corner OF spots have to be more productive offensively than CF, and that Soriano would be more "valuable" at 2nd base. I'm really really sick of that bullshit. Soriano would be a better CF than a second baseman. I don't care if he's had a history at 2nd and none in CF. doesn't matter. OF is so much easier and IMHO he would adapt well.

by cashcowsquirtingsourmilk on Dec 29, 2006 8:08 PM CST reply actions  

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