The Top 100 Cubs Of All Time - #75 Rogers Hornsby

Rogers Hornsby (on the left) pictured with Pirates Hall of Famer Paul Waner, at Wrigley Field in 1929
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As most of you know, during the offseason a famous Rogers Hornsby quote adorns the top right corner of this space. While we can admire his desire to play baseball year-round, there are many things about his career that were less than admirable.
There are a number of different ways to look at the career of Rogers Hornsby. Some ways will have you hating his guts not only for his years at the Cardinals, but for the kind of man he was (and seemingly enjoyed being). Other kinds of analysis may have you thinking that he was quite simply the very best (righty) hitter ever to play the game of Baseball. He ranks 2nd All-time (to Ty Cobb) in lifetime batting average (.358), 8th in OBP (.424) and 12th in SLG (.577). Of course, as far as the top 100 Cubs goes, we can focus down on what really matters....What did he do for us?
Rogers came to the Cubs before the 1929 season from the Boston Braves, and the Cubs sent a small army in the other direction to compensate - Socks Seibold, Percy Jones, Lou Legett, Freddie Maguire, Bruce Cunningham, and $200,000 cash. Thankfully for the Cubs, his debut season proved his worth. A hitting line of .380/.445/.679 to go along with 39 HR and 149 RBI helped Hornsby to the National League MVP, and helped the Cubs to their first pennant since 1918. On May 30th the following year Hornsby, already limping after off-season surgery on his heel, breaks an ankle sliding into 3B in the first game of a doubleheader in St. Louis. The Cubs win both games, 2-0 and 9-3, to move into 3rd place, but Hornsby ends up missing most of the season. Manager Joe McCarthy (claiming a lack of support from team owner William Wrigley) resigns as team manager, and a month later is installed as the new Yankee manager. A frustrated observer, Hornsby was installed as the team manager.
He played/managed his way to a .331 average in 1931, but the Cubs managed only a 3rd place finish, and although the Cubs were successful in '32, the personalities were not. On August 2nd, with the team 5 games behind the Pirates in the NL standings, the Cubs lost 4-2 with an 8th inning collapse in Brooklyn. Following the loss, Cubs president Veeck and Hornsby argue on the train to Philadelphia about the strategy. Further "discussion" in Veeck's hotel room ended with Rogers Hornsby being fired from his position as manager. A contributing factor in The Rajah's departure is his gambling, and the debts he has run up borrowing money from his own Cubs' players. Veeck works out a repayment schedule with the money to be subtracted from what the Cubs owe Hornsby on his contract. The Cubs made the Series that year in spite of Hornsby, but still felt a strong enough dislike for the man to deny him any share of the Series bounty.
You'll notice I haven't spent long going into the many reasons Hornsby was unpopular despite the fact Rogers is disliked enough to feature on most all-time hated Baseball lists. The fact that Hornsby wasn't the first, nor the last asshole in the history of Baseball. Its unfortunate that the game seems to have more than its fair share of foul characters over the years, but the game does not help in refining or controlling any negative urges. Simply put, Baseball is not a gentleman's game. Players curse, spit, argue, fight, throw at batters, take steroids, doctor baseballs, kick dirt and are obscenely paid to do so. Standard procedure is to claim not only for the decisions they know they should have, but also the decisions they think they can get away with. The game is not built around honesty/integrity. You do whatever you have to, to win and if you happen to spike your opponent in the passing so much the better. So knowing all this, why should it matter if a player acts like an ass while playing big league ball?
As far as hitting goes, Hornsby must have been a joy to behold. His brief Cubs playing career still eclipses many decades compiled by lesser men. Few will associate the career of Hornsby with the Cubs, he will remain a legend for other teams, but we should revel in the fact that a hitter of his class once graced the batters box at Wrigley Field.
Hornsby briefly worked as a broadcaster for the Cubs in 1949, when no fewer than three stations broadcast Cub games (this was before the concept of "broadcast rights" was invented). He was universally reviled and went back to coaching and managing, managing the Browns again briefly in 1952 and the Reds in 1952 and 1953.
After his playing career, Hornsby returned to managing -- but with a terrible team, the St. Louis Browns. In three full seasons and parts of two others, they never managed a winning percentage higher than .441 under Hornsby. He was inducted into the Hall of Fame in 1942, and like many great players, he was unable to accept the fact as a manager that not everyone had the talent that he had. He developed special disdain for young players, particularly when the Mets hired him as a major league scout; according to Hornsby's Wikipedia entry:
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Hornsby Just might have
by Scott G F on Dec 6, 2006 8:43 AM CST 0 recs
Always crack up at this:
by Sarah Hope on Dec 6, 2006 8:48 AM CST 0 recs
And ya know why???
by ctcoff99 on
Dec 6, 2006 8:17 PM CST
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Hornsby at 75?!
by CubFaninNY on Dec 6, 2006 8:54 AM CST 0 recs
That's right.
This list is intended to look at players' CUB careers, not their accomplishments elsewhere. I'd imagine he would rank quite high on, say, an all-time Cardinals list.
by Al on
Dec 6, 2006 8:57 AM CST
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I respectively disagree
by Ihatethecards on
Dec 6, 2006 9:26 AM CST
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What?
I do agree that he is the best 2nd baseman of all time. He is a top 5 Cardinal and maybe #2 behind Musial but as a Cub he's properly ranked here. In fact, I would rank him at least one spot lower because I think Riggs Stephenson is too low.
by rlpete on
Dec 6, 2006 10:16 AM CST
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Thank you.
About the rest of the list, I did have it made up ahead of time. However, I will say that based on some of the comments made here about players already posted, I have tweaked it a little bit.
by Al on
Dec 6, 2006 10:19 AM CST
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What is it...
Hornsby was, essentially, a Cardinal Hall of Famer who played briefly for the Cubs and helped lead them to one pennant.
That's worth a mention, but not higher than this.
by Al on
Dec 6, 2006 9:07 AM CST
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yeah, yeah, I heard you
by CubFaninNY on
Dec 6, 2006 9:34 AM CST
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Al
To add to your story about Hornsby and his encounter with Santo and Williams:
Santo says there were about a dozen players Hornsby spoke to in that gathering. He dismissed all but Williams and Santo as being unworthy of the big leagues. And he turned out to be right. Of the dozen, only Williams and Santo ever played in MLB.
Or something to that effect. I may be wrong on the number of players that were there.
by danimal15 on
Dec 6, 2006 9:44 AM CST
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I buy that argument, Al
by TC Cubby on
Dec 6, 2006 11:20 AM CST
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I agree
by rlpete on
Dec 6, 2006 11:25 AM CST
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I'll have a look...
Hornsby qualifies because he had that one great season and helped the Cubs to a pennant. You're right about Borowy -- the '45 pennant is the reason he makes the list.
by Al on
Dec 6, 2006 11:38 AM CST
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Gotta admit
by Scott G F on Dec 6, 2006 9:20 AM CST 0 recs
The Rajah!!
by writerinwrigley on Dec 6, 2006 9:25 AM CST 0 recs
I believe the quote about Santo and Williams
by zambranofan on Dec 6, 2006 9:44 AM CST 0 recs
Recall
by danimal15 on Dec 6, 2006 9:54 AM CST 0 recs
Rajah's 1922-1925 seasons comprise the greatest...
by Reverend Jim Ignatowski on Dec 6, 2006 10:35 AM CST 0 recs
Upon further review, make that 1921-1925 as ...
Al, which one of these years is the best? I'm not sure as they're all stunning.
Make that contract 5/$160.
by Reverend Jim Ignatowski on
Dec 6, 2006 10:41 AM CST
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I think...
His .424/.507/.696 season in 1924 is pretty fantastic too, but the power numbers are a bit lower, so I'd pick 1922 as his best.
by Al on
Dec 6, 2006 10:43 AM CST
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dead ball
by danimal15 on
Dec 6, 2006 12:27 PM CST
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his 42 HRs
do you ever notify them?
by cashcowsquirtingsourmilk on
Dec 8, 2006 11:13 PM CST
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Surprised he is even this high.
by MetsSuck on Dec 6, 2006 11:04 AM CST 0 recs
Anyone notice the hats?
by TC Cubby on Dec 6, 2006 11:22 AM CST 0 recs
Didn't there
by TC Cubby on
Dec 6, 2006 11:25 AM CST
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Apologies for the clutter.
by Al on
Dec 6, 2006 11:37 AM CST
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Thanks
by TC Cubby on
Dec 6, 2006 11:57 AM CST
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I think it's the latter...
by Al on
Dec 6, 2006 12:14 PM CST
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I always thought
Must be a 19th century naming convention or something.
by JFCubFan on Dec 6, 2006 11:38 AM CST 0 recs
I have a feeling...
by Al on
Dec 6, 2006 11:40 AM CST
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Spot on Al,....
http://www.rogershornsby.com/bio.htm
by Reverend Jim Ignatowski on
Dec 6, 2006 2:02 PM CST
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Interesting Hall of Fame trivia...
by Reverend Jim Ignatowski on Dec 6, 2006 2:17 PM CST 0 recs
If we're looking at one year
by TR on Dec 6, 2006 4:47 PM CST 0 recs
Well, come on.
by Al on
Dec 6, 2006 8:28 PM CST
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Deadball era
Besides using the better ball, baseball also started throwing out dirty balls more in 1921 after Ray Chapman's on field death.
by goody14 on Dec 6, 2006 7:42 PM CST 0 recs
How unpopular was Hornsby?
by ctcoff99 on Dec 6, 2006 8:22 PM CST 0 recs
A nit
by scareduck on Dec 6, 2006 8:42 PM CST 0 recs
#75...Hornsby should be top 50!
Yes, the lost to the Connie Mack Philadelphia squad, but he still won MVP that year...that should be worth a little bit more than #75.
by cubby23 on Dec 6, 2006 10:47 PM CST 0 recs
One year, that's all.
by Al on
Dec 7, 2006 8:39 AM CST
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Hornsby staring at the window for Spring...
by DudeVf1 on Dec 7, 2006 9:49 AM CST 0 recs
I stand by my comment...he deserves to be higher..
(e.g. Rick Wilkins, Steve Buechele, George Bell, Jerome Walton, etc...) Laughs...I put George Bell on there because he was part of quite possibly the most lopsided Cub trade success in history. I throw Buechele out there because we got him for Danny "frickin'" Jackson...a lefty, that was virtually untradeable if such a thing exists. Wilkins...hit 30 homers one year...not much else. Walton won ROTY, and then disappeared.
My point is Cub history is sprinkled with players of this caliber...and they deserve mention, possibly even top 100 all-time Cub worthyiness.
Hornsby spent 4 seasons as a Cub player (1 MVP), and in three seasons as a player/manager never had a record below or near .500, all were above .500, including a penant in 1932. If Don Zimmer and Jim Frey or even Lee Elia show up on this list higher...I'm filing protest...laughs...or recount!!! Roger was a Cardinal legend, but he definitely got results, and in the post WWII era, few Cub managers can put their record against his.
by cubby23 on Dec 8, 2006 12:31 AM CST 0 recs
FWIW...
by Al on
Dec 8, 2006 8:12 AM CST
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