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The Top 100 Cubs Of All Time - #74 Dave Kingman

Dave Kingman, wearing the dreaded late 70's Cub road pajama-style road uniforms, unleashes one of his monster swings. No way of knowing whether this was a home-run swing, or a massive strikeout swing.

In an age where it seems at times as if a majority of professional athletes are self-promoting jerks, it is hard to think back thirty years or so and look at a player like Dave Kingman, who was viewed this way -- and really, he was only seen that way because he had an introverted personality and couldn't deal well with the adulation he received, particularly during his time as a Cub.

Kingman was born December 21, 1948 in Pendleton, Oregon, although he grew up in the Chicago area and went to Prospect High School. He first came to baseball scouts' attention with a stellar college career at USC, where he pitched as well as hit. During college he played, as many college players still do, in the Alaska Summer League. He was the first pick in the old "secondary phase" of the amateur draft in June 1970, by the Giants. Rocketing through their system, he was in the major leagues the following year, where he would hit prodigious home runs and strike out just as prodigiously (example: 29 HR and 140 strikeouts in 472 AB in 1972, and this in a lower-strikeout era than we know today). He could barely keep his batting average above .230 (his highest season average before his Cub tenure was .238).

Further, the Giants couldn't really figure out a position for him -- they tried him at third base, where he was terrible; the outfield, where he was somewhat less terrible; and first base, where the best thing that you could say about him was that he was below-average. He even pitched two games for the 1973 Giants. With his size -- 6-6, 210 -- he might have made a good major league pitcher had any team decided to convert him and really had him work on it. But it never happened.

Without a position or a good bat, the Giants gave up on him and sold him to the Mets in February 1975 for the then-somewhat princely sum of $150,000.

You can imagine what a man like this would do in the bright lights of New York. Shy to begin with, he was described by one of his Mets teammates as "having the personality of a tree stump". But oh, those home runs. As a member of the Mets on April 14, 1976, Kingman hit what is generally acknowledged to be the longest home run ever hit at Wrigley Field, a 600-foot shot (the Retrosheet box says 530-550, but it was likely longer) that bounced off the front of the fourth house on the east side of Kenmore Avenue, the street perpendicular to Waveland behind the left-field bleachers. For many years a red "X" on the sidewalk marked the closest public spot to where it hit. In June of that year he had a three-homer game at Dodger Stadium.

And yet, the batting average and the strikeouts and his attitude made him persona non grata in New York. With the Mets on the downslide, they finally traded him to the Padres on June 15, 1977 (the old trading deadline) for Paul Siebert and a man who would one day become the Mets' manager, Bobby Valentine.

Kingman lasted about twelve weeks in San Diego -- during his tenure there one of his highlight games was on August 5 at Wrigley Field, where he hit two homers including a monster grand slam off Paul Reuschel to lead the Padres to an 11-6 win -- and the Padres waived him on September 6. He was claimed by the Angels (odd, as the Angels were far out of pennant contention). They liked him so much in Anaheim (ten games, .194 BA in 36 AB) that nine days later he was shipped to the Yankees for Randy Stein. In so doing he became the first player to play in all four divisions which then existed in the same season.

The Yankees liked him so much that they let him go to free agency (even though he had hit four home runs in 24 at-bats for them).

That's where the Cubs came in -- Kingman was one of the first "big name" free agents signed by the Cubs, though it's debatable how "big" a name he was at the time. At age 29, he had hit 176 career home runs, and struck out 853 times. And the Cubs already had a good first baseman -- Bill Buckner.

But they signed Kingman anyway, to play left field. He was an adventure out there. With the stringy long hair of the time flapping around under his cap, I can remember him often attempting to surround a fly ball hit to him. Sometimes, he even caught it. He hit better -- .266, a career high, and hit 28 HR even though he missed 43 games with an injury in 1978. He had another three-homer game against the Dodgers in Los Angeles on May 14, 1978, prompting a hilarious profanity-filled tirade from Dodger manager Tommy Lasorda when asked his opinion of Kingman's "performance".

And then came the year, 1979, that cemented Kingman in Cub lore. Suddenly, he was healthy. Suddenly, he could hit singles as well as home runs -- he hit a career-high .288, scored 97 runs, and hit forty-eight home runs, the most by a Cub since Ernie Banks' 47 twenty-one years earlier, and, at the time, second in club history for a single season. He was a god -- it seemed there was nothing he couldn't do. He had two three-homer games -- one in the legendary 23-22 loss to the Phillies on May 17 and another against his old Met teammates in New York, in another loss on July 28, the day after he hit a pair, thus tying the major league record for HR in consecutive games.

He hit his 41st HR on August 24 at Candlestick Park off Vida Blue, and the Cubs' 4-1 win put them only four games out of first place. There was brave talk, with thirty-eight games remaining, of a playoff run and perhaps a Kingman run at sixty homers, or at least Hack Wilson's club record of 56. But Kingman hit only seven HR the rest of the way and the '79 Cubs, never really that good, faded to a 79-83 finish.

At one point, someone advised him that to cash in on his popularity, he should open a restaurant of some kind trading on his name. Not a bad idea, but it was poorly executed. He decided to open a nautical-theme ice cream parlor called "Kingman's Landing". It might have worked had it been near the ballpark. Instead, he rented a cheaper storefront about two miles west of Wrigley Field. The shop opened, and just about as quickly, closed.

The following spring, hopes were high, but just as the 2006 Cubs started well and flopped, the 1980 Cubs had a good beginning -- but with Kingman constantly injured and other players having terrible years, the team lost 98 games. Early in that year, WMAQ-TV produced a documentary on Kingman, due to his terrific season the year before. Not used to the spotlight, Kingman cooperated only reluctantly, at one point taking producer/director Sandra Weir out on his boat, then throwing her into Lake Michigan. When Kingman played in Oakland, he sent a live rat to a female sportswriter who had written not-so-nice things about his performance. He apparently thought these were practical jokes. In reality, they just made him look like a boor.

After the 1980 season, where he spent several stints on the DL, the Cubs had had enough and traded him to the Mets for Steve Henderson, whose main claim to fame was that he had been acquired by the Mets for Tom Seaver. This trade was made only a month after Cubs GM Bob Kennedy vehemently denied any plans to trade him -- obviously, some things in baseball never change! Returning to the Mets returned Kingman to his .210-level batting averages. In 1983, he hit only .204 while hitting 37 HR and driving in 99 runs -- one of the worst averages ever for someone with those sorts of "counting stats".

So, in 1984, long after he might have been a truly productive hitter had he had to think only about hitting, he finally signed, at age 35, with an American League team, the Oakland A's, to be their fulltime DH. He had three decent years (the best being 1984, where he hit. 268, slugged .505, and hit 35 HR with 118 RBI, his career RBI high). After the 1986 season, despite another 30-HR season, even the A's tired of his act and they let him go.

His baseball-reference.com transactions show that he signed a contract with the Giants on July 11, 1987, but he never played a game with them. He did play briefly with the Giants' Triple-A team, then retired. Since retirement, he has lived in the same sort of seclusion he would have prized as a player.

His 442 home runs rank third among retired players (Fred McGriff, 493; Jose Canseco, 462) who are eligible for the Hall of Fame but have not been elected. Kingman won't ever get in -- all he could really do was hit home runs; the rest of his game was replacement-level. But oh, many of those home runs were memorable enough to speak of even today. In this sense, Kingman's Cub career is similar to yesterday's profilee, Rogers Hornsby's -- one monster season, having the most Cub home runs in a year between 1972 and 1987, being 22nd on the team list for career HR. The only real difference -- no postseason for Kingman.

Dave Kingman's career stats at baseball-reference.com

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I have a new signature in honor of today's honoree!!
"KONG!"

by drone1047 on Dec 7, 2006 9:36 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Trivia Question:
I am a PHS grad, and Kingman was in my mom's graduating class (according to her, he was something of a jerk in HS).

At PHS we was actually more of a basketball standout (2 or 3 All State teams as I recall from his picture in the gym) than a baseball star.

But here is the trivia question:  In his High School graduating class was another future Cub, who was this far less famous Cub?

Eamus Ursuli!

by WGNstatic on Dec 7, 2006 9:49 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Prospect
you went to Prospect?  

What up 214!

SINATRO!!!! Its music to my ears.

by flyball on Dec 7, 2006 9:51 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Ahh yes PHS 94
where did you go?
Eamus Ursuli!

by WGNstatic on Dec 7, 2006 10:01 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

RMHS 97
I knew a ton of Prospect people though,since I was near the border
SINATRO!!!! Its music to my ears.

by flyball on Dec 7, 2006 10:03 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

So...
... what's the answer to the trivia question?

by Al on Dec 7, 2006 10:20 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Tom Lundstedt
Not exactly a household baseball name, but I always thought it was pretty cool that that 2 players from the same class from PHS went on to play for the Cubs.

Lundstedt was a first round pick, but never did much.  Though I guess in HS, he was considered the better baseball player

Eamus Ursuli!

by WGNstatic on Dec 7, 2006 10:24 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

darnit
totally off
SINATRO!!!! Its music to my ears.

by flyball on Dec 7, 2006 10:25 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

More PHS blather
Mike Quade (3B coach) is also a prospect alum, though he is also a bit younger, I think he graduated mid 70's
Eamus Ursuli!

by WGNstatic on Dec 7, 2006 10:29 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

you guys
have way more famous people than we do
SINATRO!!!! Its music to my ears.

by flyball on Dec 7, 2006 10:31 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Famous...
I'm not sure if famous is the right word...

Part of it is that PHS is one of the oldest schools in the district, I don't think Meadows even existed when Kingman and Lundstedt were Knights.

Eamus Ursuli!

by WGNstatic on Dec 7, 2006 2:33 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Famous
we have Gary Cole, which is pretty cool

but for the guys of the group, Jenny Morrison (sorry Jennifer), the brunette from House, went to Prospect

SINATRO!!!! Its music to my ears.

by flyball on Dec 7, 2006 3:03 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Jenny Morrison
Not to rag on famous people, but Jennifer Morrison was not my favorite.

Funny story about her:
I was a senior going off to a debate tournament leaving our classroom and walking to the vans.  Jenny (a freshman at the time) runs up to walk out with me.  Exclaiming "Thank god I caught up with you, I was afraid I was going to have to walk with those to geeks"  

I reply: "Oh you mean my brother?"

needless to say she was a bit embarassed, and uncomfortably walked between my brother and I to the van...

Eamus Ursuli!

by WGNstatic on Dec 7, 2006 4:52 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Lundstedt...
... at one time was thought of as a really good catching prospect, and one of the reasons the Cubs traded Randy Hundley. They thought Lundstedt could take over. Obviously, they were wrong.

by Al on Dec 7, 2006 10:29 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm guessing
a certain ex-player turned broadcaster, Dave Otto

who also happens to be the son of the drivers ed teacher at my alma mater

SINATRO!!!! Its music to my ears.

by flyball on Dec 7, 2006 10:24 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Otto
Actually Otto is an Elk Grove grad and about 10 or 15 years younger.
Eamus Ursuli!

by WGNstatic on Dec 7, 2006 10:26 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah,
I was totally off on his age, oh well
SINATRO!!!! Its music to my ears.

by flyball on Dec 7, 2006 10:30 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I saw you guys talking about dist. 214
So i had to add this

JHHS 02

AC 00 00 00 - BELIEVE

by mike on Dec 7, 2006 12:35 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

in 96
at least I think it was '96, your school did "Children of a Lesser God" for a school play

one of the best high school performances I've ever seen

SINATRO!!!! Its music to my ears.

by flyball on Dec 7, 2006 1:18 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I remember hearing them talk about that...
and I've seen pictures. The fine arts programs there are very good very well supported. I wasn't involved in the plays, but I've always been impressed with the performances they put on. I spent 4 years in band and 2 in orchestra. Definitely a lot of good memories.

oh... and to get this back on topic. I'm too young to have seen Kingman play but I have heard a lot about his HR's. Reminds me a lot of Sammy. Also, I LOVE the blue with pinstripe jerseys.

AC 00 00 00 - BELIEVE

by mike on Dec 7, 2006 1:54 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Wow...
Who would have thought that a thread on Dave Kingman could possibly lead to a discussion of Northwest suburban HS drama!
Eamus Ursuli!

by WGNstatic on Dec 7, 2006 2:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I can't believe you brought up the ice cream
store.  My uncle did a lot of the contruction work on the place which was located at either Montrose or Irving and Western which like you say was a bit far from Wrigley.

My uncle said he was a nice guy to work for but kind of aloof.

I enjoyed watching him play though.

"We're only 37 games into it. I have a lot of faith in Dusty that he'll be able to pull us out."--- Jim Hendry 5/16/06 Chgo Tribune

by SonnyJ9 on Dec 7, 2006 9:53 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

It was on Western...
... about 1/2 block north of Irving. The building's still there -- IIRC it's now a Thai restaurant.

by Al on Dec 7, 2006 10:20 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

David Israel's sit-down strike against Kingman
For a brief time, the Tribune (before it owned the Cubs in late 70s) go King Kong to "write'' a column in its sports pages...probably ghost-written by someone.

In protest, then Trib columnist David Israel staged a sit-down strike because Kingman was such an unrepentant jerk, he objected to him being given such undeserved journalistic status.

I don't think the columns lasted long or were very memorable, but it was a noteworthy media happening in those days.

Somebody in media (Royko?) named him Ding Dong as well.

Seems every team just soured on him eventually despite his power and promise...Never knew or got to know much about his personal life was he ever married?? (A friend of mine had a mad crush on him.) Where does he live now?? Totally removed from baseball, it seems....

by writerinwrigley on Dec 7, 2006 9:58 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Montana?
I believe that he has a ranch in Montana.
Eamus Ursuli!

by WGNstatic on Dec 7, 2006 10:02 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Royko
hated Kingman so much he declared himself a White Sox fan for a couple of years.

His heart was never in it though and he switched back to the Cubs after Kingman was traded.

A little song, a little dance. A little seltzer down your pants

by Josh77 on Dec 7, 2006 2:39 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Royko
put his hand on Veeck's raised wooden leg and made an oath, swearing his allegiance to the white sox. I think it had more to do with just kingman though. It didn't take. maybe one season?

by cashcowsquirtingsourmilk on Dec 7, 2006 3:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Kingman
may no have been the only reason, but he was reasons number one, two and three.  Jerry Martin may have been reason number four.

If I recall, Royko went off on "jerk ballplayers" on the Cubs without mentioning Kingman directly, but from his previous columns on "Ding Dong" made it very clear whom he considered to be jerk number one.

I think it took a season and a half, with Royko changing his allegiance in 1980 with 1981 being a strike year and Royko coming back to the Cubs in 1982 when the Wrigleys had sold the team and Kingman was gone.

If someone has a copy of the actual columns, please check this and get the actual dates.

A little song, a little dance. A little seltzer down your pants

by Josh77 on Dec 7, 2006 4:55 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

thanks
I didn't know he hated Kingman that much. All I have are his collections of columns. around 6-7 books.

by cashcowsquirtingsourmilk on Dec 7, 2006 5:19 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Kingman was the man for a small amount of time
But that time was great. He could hit the long ball.  I thought he was cool in a Ted Williams sort of way. To bad his ave was horrable.
Man Law: Don't fruit the beer!!!

by Scott G F on Dec 7, 2006 10:15 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

King Kong
He was everyone's favorite Cub in the late-70's, even though he was a stand-offish jerk. I still recall his huge moustache (it seemed nearly all the Cubs had facial hair at the time), and of course his tremendous home runs.

I have a videotape (off of ESPN-Classic) of the May 17, 1979 23-22 loss to the Phillies in which Kingman launched three round-trippers. Each is longer than the last. On his third one, broadcaster Lou Boudreau sees the ball hit the bat and immediately yells, "Whoa, kiss it goodbye!" It was obvious from the moment of contact where that ball was going. It landed about 600 feet from home plate, on the roof of a porch about three houses down Kenmore. I think it was still rising when it left the ballpark, if that's possible. "That one's in Milwaukee!" Boudreau said as he watched the ball fly out. "Isn't that something." To this day, I don't think anyone (Sosa included) has hit a longer drive out of Wrigley.

That was the essence of Kingman. No one could hit a baseball farther. Whenever he came up, it was an exciting moment, because you didn't know if he was going to launch another rocket shot.

Schmidt, of course, hit two homers of his own in that 23-22 game, and the Cubs lost. I have a broadcast of Schmidt's 4-homer game at Wrigley from April 1976. When he hits number four, Jack Brickhouse just says, "Don't tell me!"

by danimal15 on Dec 7, 2006 10:18 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I've got that 23-22
game on video too, they show a kid jumping off the porch four houses down on Kenmore, chasing after the ball Kingman hit for his 3rd HR of that game.  He absolutely murdered that ball.  That's the longest homerun I've ever seen, it went farther than Glen Allen Hill's roof shot too.    
One day, the dream will come true.

by brianp88 on Dec 7, 2006 10:32 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

23-22 game
That was the date of my high school's Senior Ditch Day, so instead of sitting in class, I was in the right field bleachers. It was by far the most amazing game I have ever seen.  Kingman's homers weren't the only blasts that day.  If I remember right, that game set a records for most home runs.  I still have my very messy scorecard from the game.

by 08 Cubs on Dec 7, 2006 11:00 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I was...
... stuck at work that day... one of the few weekday games I missed in '79.

by Al on Dec 7, 2006 11:06 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I was stuck
in my second grade classroom that day. What a waste of time.

by danimal15 on Dec 7, 2006 12:21 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I was in 5th grade
I was in 5th grade and I brought a small radio to school to listen to the end of games while walking home.

I remember running most of the 6 blocks to see as much as I could on TV.

Happy Holidays goodwill to all. Santa please remember the Cubs come next fall.

by kerrysotherwife on Dec 7, 2006 1:16 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

#10
Hmm, I am surprised that the Cubs gave 10 to Kingman so soon after Santo's departure.
Eamus Ursuli!

by WGNstatic on Dec 7, 2006 10:22 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

He wasn't the first...
... Billy Grabarkewitz and Mike Sember also wore #10 after Santo, before Kingman. In those days it was the Cubs' policy not to retire numbers -- only Ernie Banks got that honor.

Info, of course, from BCB reader kaseyi's all-time Cubs uniform number page, a great resource. I noticed today that Kasey added images of Cub uniform shirts to the page.

by Al on Dec 7, 2006 10:27 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Kingman pic
and I love those road uniforms Al. Hope to see 'em in 2007!

by cashcowsquirtingsourmilk on Dec 7, 2006 10:50 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Ugh.
As I said, I think they look like pajamas. Hope they NEVER return.

by Al on Dec 7, 2006 11:05 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

also..
I added the years the people wore the numbers.  I know I still need some work on this as it's not as nice as I would like it, but it's a start.

Kasey

by kaseyi on Dec 7, 2006 10:56 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

also remember...
that Ernies number wasn't officially retired until Dallas Green came in and to appease the people who were upset with his "Building a new tradtion", he retired the 1st number in Cubs history...Ernies #14.

Kasey

by kaseyi on Dec 7, 2006 4:03 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

True...
... although, of course, no one had worn it since Ernie retired, and I doubt they'd have ever done so, even if it had never been "officially" retired.

I'm still upset about this: when Ken Hubbs was killed in the plane crash, they said no one would ever wear his #16. That lasted till 1971. It should have been retired.

I wonder who will, if anyone, wear #21 again.

by Al on Dec 7, 2006 9:20 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Kingman story
By the way, this might be myth, but I heard that Kingman tried out for the Giants as a pitcher and was rejected. Upon hearing this, he stormed over to the dugout, grabbed a bat, tossed a ball in the air, and hit a tremendous shot over the fence. The Giants scout then said, "Come back over here- we may have a place for you after all."

by danimal15 on Dec 7, 2006 10:23 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Truth
Who cares if it's true, that makes a good story!
Eamus Ursuli!

by WGNstatic on Dec 7, 2006 10:32 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I believe what you are referring to..
or something similar to it, was recounted in Bill Lee's book, what was it called?  The old LHP from the Red Sox?  Anyway, I believe that he played at USC and Kingman was there and in his book he describes some incident about pitching, Kingman being pissed and then taking BP and launching balls.  I doubt I even have that book anymore but that's where I vaguely recall reading about that incident.

by DudeVf1 on Dec 7, 2006 8:19 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

my favorite kingman story
was during contract talks he wanted some incentive clause on breaking the season total for rbi's and the management told him they would give him a million dollars if he did.

he had no idea it was 190 rbi's

Bears '06 +3 vs. Bears '85 under/over 39.5

by cubsfaninkc on Dec 7, 2006 10:55 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Hilarious
I wonder if that's really true.

by danimal15 on Dec 7, 2006 12:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Now that you mention this...
... I do believe that IS a true story.

by Al on Dec 7, 2006 12:59 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

When I was 11
When I was 11 I used to tell my grandmother I was going to marry Dave Kingman.

He was my first crush.  I was so in love with him.  While other girls had pictures of Shaun Cassidy and Andy Gibb I had a Dave Kingman poster.

He was handsome and is actually for his age very nice looking now.

Happy Holidays goodwill to all. Santa please remember the Cubs come next fall.

by kerrysotherwife on Dec 7, 2006 1:13 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Another story
I forgot what year it was but I remember my neighbor running out of his house to tell us Dave Kingman had pulled on his hamster.

He had pulled his hamstring.

Everytime I hear of a player injuring his hamstring I think of that.

Happy Holidays goodwill to all. Santa please remember the Cubs come next fall.

by kerrysotherwife on Dec 7, 2006 1:19 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

LOL!
I love this story!

by Al on Dec 7, 2006 2:51 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I was not a Kong fan
Moody, surly, downright weird, prone to unbelievably awful (and lengthy) slumps and perhaps the most wretched left fielder ever put on the planet.  But I'll give him one thing.  When he connected, the ball went very, very far.  
Rommel, you magnificent bastard, I READ YOUR BOOK !!!

by BlueMike on Dec 7, 2006 1:52 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

1979
I remember that year thinking it was exciting that the Cubs actually had a hitter in their lineup who was feared by the opposition. Remember, the 1978 Cub team had only hit 72 homers all year, so 48 coming from one guy was a huge turn-around.

by danimal15 on Dec 7, 2006 2:43 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Having A Little Trouble
with your rating Kingman above Hornsby.

Kingman played three years with the Cubs;Hornsby played four.  Hornsby was MVP with the Cubs and led the league in OPS twice while a Cub.  He led the league in slugging and OBP in different years while a Cub, and he led the league in runs, and finished third in batting average, too.

Kingman led the league in homers and OPS in '79, but the writers were apparently unimpressed, voting him 11th for the MVP, while he finished eighth in runs scored.

You might say that Kingman in 1979 was equivalent to Hornsby in 1929, but Hornsby in other years was vastly superior to Kingman in his other years.  Plus, and of course, Hornsby was a complete hitter, which can't be said of Kingman.

I suspected yesterday that your article on the Rajah was a little too dismissive of his contributions to the game; today I am sure of it.

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by rastronomicals on Dec 7, 2006 3:38 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Your point is taken...
... I was also ranking, in part, on the notoriety and popularity of the two. I said when I started this list that I was going to skew it a bit toward more recent players. Perhaps that was a mistake.

Hornsby's contributions to the game, apart from that 1929 season, were mostly made as a Cardinal. Kingman had one of his two best years (the other, 1984 with Oakland) with the Cubs.

You make a reasonable argument. And that's part of the fun of doing this.

by Al on Dec 7, 2006 3:59 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Two memories
I was 10 in 1979 and remember having a random football jersey with Kingman's #10 on the back, thereby temporarily supplanting Buckner as my favorite playter.

Anyone else go to Dave Kingman Day in 1980??  He was on the DL at the time and decided to go to Chicagofest (?) instead of the game.  Tucked away at my parents' house, I still have the t-shirt with the Keebler Elves sponsorship from that day.

Finally, I remember that 23-22 game.  I used to always watch the end of the Cubs games when I got home from school -- usually picking it up in the 8th or 9th.  But when I turned on the TV and heard "Heading to the bottom of the 5th with the Cubs down 16-4" or something like that I was stunned.  Anyone know where I can get a copy of that game??

by sjcubfan on Dec 7, 2006 3:50 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

ChicagoFest
I remember those fondly, having gone to them in both 1979 and 1981. I liked Navy Pier better then compared with how it is today. It's become just another tourist trap aimed at making a buck. Back then, it had more character. And it was the perfect venue for ChicagoFest. I loved the food and the bands. Way better than Taste of Chicago.

by danimal15 on Dec 7, 2006 4:51 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You really liked
Navy Pier as a broken-down dive, rather than the rehabbed version you see today? The ballroom at the end of the pier was inhabited by rats. It's now spectacular, as you know.

I'm perplexed. The then-dirty, filty Pier wasn't attractive, or with "character" -- WF has character. The Pier was a slum -- I was at the early ChicagoFests -- they were great.

The Pier -- was most assuredly, NOT. There's nothing wrong with tourist dollars for Chicago -- I don't understand.

by Smooth Jazz Man San Diego on Dec 7, 2006 5:06 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Absolutely!
Navy Pier was horrific then compared to now.  But I did see The Band's "Last Waltz" at Chicagofest in what seemed like a make-shift room with curtains or drapes for doors and the movie displayed on a pretty pathetic screen.  It was like an oven in that room...I also saw Iron Maiden play there and that was unbelieveable.  Total out of control fans.  They were totally unprepared for the number of people and the fans shouting could drown out the band's sound system.  The opening acts were hit with so much debris that Maiden had to come on early to avoid total riot.  It was total mayhem when they started playing, but 8 hours earlier the venue was packed with people and the cops were arresting people left and right.  A guy next to me would epridoically stand up and give the finger and just stand up for minutes and when a cop saw him they waved to him and he started walking over and was put under arrest pretty quickly.  That's my fondest memory of Chcagofest.

by DudeVf1 on Dec 7, 2006 8:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Well
perhaps my memories aren't altogether accurate. I never saw any rats, though I'm sure they were there. The new pier is fine - nothing wrong with tourist dollars. But it's too Disney-esque for me. I do like walking along the south end of it and looking at the harbor.

by danimal15 on Dec 7, 2006 8:29 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Rating
Al, I have to object to you ranking Dave Kingman so bloody high.  He makes about as much sense being ranked this high as did Rick Wilkins at #98.  
Rommel, you magnificent bastard, I READ YOUR BOOK !!!

by BlueMike on Dec 7, 2006 4:14 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

The uniforms aren't bad
it's just that they are the pajama-top pull overs.
Buttom them down to today's standards and they could be one of the better 70's retro uniforms.
It was very unique for the time to have road-pinstripes. They are light-years better than the current blue tops -- anything that says "Chicago" on a road uniform is better. (Another edition of SJMSD's "Uni Watch," with apologies to ESPN.com.)

And even though Kingman was a jerk, his contribution ranks appropriately on the 1-100 scale -- somewhere between 100-75, for my taste, but #74 is just as good. (No higher than about #70, though.)

by Smooth Jazz Man San Diego on Dec 7, 2006 4:58 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I don't like...
... the blue alternate tops either. Road uniforms should be gray.

by Al on Dec 8, 2006 7:53 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Blue tops
I don't mind the blue tops on teh road, but that is probably because I grew up being a cub fan in the 80's.

Blue tops at Home?  No way, shouldn't happen. Period. end of discussion.

Eamus Ursuli!

by WGNstatic on Dec 8, 2006 10:44 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

.. KONG! whattaguy
.. when I was young and stupid for the Cubs and almost bought the vague, insane hope all of us diehards had that year, I was almost convinced that Dave's bat might briefly lift us up ..

Not.

1977 was still a bittersweet aftertaste in my mouth, so I didn't have too many illusions. When Joey took the helm after Hermie departed, I knew the ship was going to just drift (heck, the whole franchise was listing to port) but I was hoping still. And I was, ever the diehard, hanging in there to the end.

So it was no surprise when one of those beautiful Illinois fall days of September convinced me that I didn't want to waste it by pounding mobile home anchors into the Illinois clay. I just had to see this Kong .. I had to see this guy for myself.

I split work to catch the Cubs. And that one and only game I went to was the last day of that 1979 season - playing the ever cursed Mets, and what a memory! It would be my one and only Cub game I watched from the bleachers .. back when you could still get in for a dollar. Man, I loved being there in that place and everyone was just so cool. Some people I met there invited me to party with them afterwards. I think it was still $1 back then to get in.

I came to watch Kong. I came hoping to see him pound out number 48 at the last game in Wrigley that season .. oh, that would have been sweet. The instant friends I made with some of the left field denizens out there whose names I unfortunately didn't remember helped start the chant .. "48" .. "48" .. when Dave got up to bat. I did get one picture of him stalking the left field, ever the silent and brooding guy, never really showing much emotion or even notice that there were fans all around him dying for him to interact with them. It was rather strange, but I bore him no ill will. It was his right.

Instead, however, Dave treated us to what he will be most remembered for - and not those ever so ephemeral moments when he connected for a moon shot HR that amazed anyone who saw them. It was rather that unforgettable form he displayed when he struck out, all right angles, limbs and lumber whirling all over the place into an gawky
inertia you had to see to believe. Watching Dave Kingman fan from the bleachers has to be one of the most bemusing things a Cub fan could ever do.

It was somehow prophetic - a grand and glorious harbinger of how amazing the Cubs could appear in the years to come, as they often did in the years past when I watched - so exciting, so dazzling and yet in the end, displaying an effort that was utterly futile.

So when the Cubs somehow managed to get 2 men on base in the bottom of the 9th and ol Dave came up with the Cubs down 5 runs to the Mets' 8 and needing a serious rally, you can imagine the roar of the crowd when he stepped up to the plate. My homies began that chant again .. "48!" "48!" ..

well, you know the drill. Mighty Kong struck out. The game ended. I stopped by Ray's Bleachers, toasted my new friends I never saw again, got on the L and headed home, shaking my head at having been disappointed. But it hadn't been a waste. I got to see Kong. I could almost see the hairs of that big mustache bristle .. I guess for a Cub fan, that was a cheap thrill worth risking your job for.

Well, Next Year is here .. and Jack's century's gotta end some time .. GO CUBBIES!

by cubnational on Dec 7, 2006 10:24 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Great Post
Thanks for the story.  

by rlpete on Dec 8, 2006 8:38 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Tommy Lasorda's Dave Kingman tirade
can be heard here (RealAudio required).
The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.

by scareduck on Dec 10, 2006 12:04 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

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