Cabrera for sale?

by 10 14 23 26 on Feb 27, 2006 12:26 PM CST

According to our friend at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/ the Marlins may be getting rid of Miguel Cabrera as part of their fire sale. I am huge fan of this young power hitter. He had an amazing season last year (.323 AVG., 33HRs, 116RBIs) and is bound to keep putting up similiar numbers.

Assuming this rumor is true, what would it take for the Cubs to get him and why would Hendry not do eveything in his power to get him in Cubbie blue? He's young, extremely talented, and the outfield is weak with Jones' poor numbers and Murton yet to prove himself.

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There is no way but....

if they were getting rid of him you would pretty much have to be willing to drain the farm system for him. It wouldn't make sense for them to be asking for major league position players for him since you aren't going to get anyone that compares unless you trade for Pujols or A-Rod.

He has seemed a little like a malcontent in recent interviews but in his defense I would be too if I watched them sell off the team around me.

That being said if they are willing to move cabrera then maybe they are thinking Willis too. Bring him back to the Cubs!

by JonH on Feb 27, 2006 12:37 PM CST reply actions

I'd rather have Willis

Cabrera's value is partly in the fact that he can play third base, and the Marlins were right to move Lowell so Miguel could return to the infield. I doubt the Cubs could deal Aramis anywhere for equal value at this point. Don't get me wrong, Cabrera may contribute more to a team than Willis over the next few seasons, he's just not a good fit for the Cubs right now.

Since we already sent our three men in a tub to the Marlins already, I doubt they would want more pitching for Willis, unless it was someone even younger than Columbus' flotilla (the Nolasco, the Pinto, and the Sergio Mitre-a). I'd say it might take more than Pie, Hill, and Soto to get Willis. Somebody would top that offer, like the Angels.

by cubzfan on Feb 27, 2006 12:46 PM CST reply actions

Send Murton to FLA...

...and play Cabrera in LF until next year or the year after. He put up an OPS+ of 150 last year. That's plenty good for a corner outfield spot. Of course I'd like to hang on to Murton but he's never going to be as good as Cabrera. Also I realize it would take more than Murton alone to get Cabrera.

by jolietconvict on Feb 27, 2006 1:20 PM CST up reply actions

Maybe...

they'll take our brilliant LF platoon of Jones/Mabry?Grissom...that would be fair right?

Seriously though, I want to hold onto Murton but Cabrera is awesome and really young!

Anyone can have a bad century...

by Kinky Reggae on Feb 27, 2006 1:44 PM CST up reply actions

No brainer

This would be the only way I would deal a Pie, Hill, etc. Cabrera is and will be a stud for a long time - in either the OF or at 3B.

Heck, give 'em ARam as well.

by airweino on Feb 27, 2006 12:50 PM CST reply actions

No thanks

he's been a huge problem in the clubhouse. That's why they are so hot to trade him. He would run hog-wild under Dusty a la Sammy and Kent Mercker. Don't need another one of those.

Hey-Dawson backwards is Noswad!---Harry Caray

by cubbiejulie on Feb 27, 2006 1:24 PM CST reply actions

See?

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9517775/

Hey-Dawson backwards is Noswad!---Harry Caray

by cubbiejulie on Feb 27, 2006 1:26 PM CST up reply actions

Thanks...

... for pointing this out. I had not heard this before.

by Al Yellon on Feb 27, 2006 1:30 PM CST up reply actions

what if...

we got them to throw Girardi into the deal? If anyone can set a cocky, young guy straight its Joe. Check out this article on Girardi. I'm not for firing Baker, but to have that type of manager seems would be a dream...

The Cubs will thrive in twenty-oh-five... or sometime thereafter!

by Shawn Domagal-Goldman on Feb 27, 2006 1:47 PM CST up reply actions

God, I would love to get Girardi

I mentioned that I wanted him last year,and everyone here seemed to think that he was being groomed to take over for Torre this year.

Guess not. :(

Hey-Dawson backwards is Noswad!---Harry Caray

by cubbiejulie on Feb 27, 2006 2:28 PM CST up reply actions

Yes...I agree...Absolutely...

we and Girardi need each other. It will happen. But, I think he needs to work out the kinks. I think when Dusty is gone (however) He will take over. Yes!

"1958-NL MVP; 1959- NL MVP; 1960-GOLD GLOVE SS"

by letsplaytwo on Feb 27, 2006 5:28 PM CST up reply actions

I Mentioned It Before As Well....

...and was called stupid and a few other things for it last year. The hell with 'em, Girardi would be a good fit.

by BeerCub on Feb 27, 2006 6:34 PM CST up reply actions

Really?

I hadn't heard this.

by Al Yellon on Feb 27, 2006 1:26 PM CST up reply actions

All you have to do is

Google "Miguel Cabrera" and attitude and see what comes up.

Hey-Dawson backwards is Noswad!---Harry Caray

by cubbiejulie on Feb 27, 2006 1:29 PM CST up reply actions

hmm

thats a good article about his attitude- which is something i do place alot of importance on (and some dont) but keep in mind he is 22 and with that much talent and on a team that was about to implode it would be frustrating to no end and that could be why he lashed out.

honestly i would trade for him in a second but i dont think our system has enough to swing for him

KSUCubbie

by ksucubbie on Feb 27, 2006 1:38 PM CST reply actions

He may be 22...

.. almost 23, but he has to know now that he must assume a leadership role on that team, as he's pretty much the only veteran left.

by Al Yellon on Feb 27, 2006 1:56 PM CST up reply actions

They weren't about to implode

last year, they were in the thick of it. Besides, I could tell from seeing the guy on the tube during the '03 playoffs that he was a punk.

He'll have trouble the rest of his career with attitude. Just watch.

by Matt Allison on Feb 28, 2006 2:01 PM CST up reply actions

And...

...just watch him put of HOF numbers along the way.

by dr johnson on Mar 1, 2006 10:57 AM CST up reply actions

he may not want/ be ready

just because ownership had another fire sale it seems to be a bit much to just expect a almost 23 year old be become an Eric Karros type figure- i dont know the guy so i have no idea if he is a jerk or just needs to be somewhere else where other guys can lead and he can just play

but once again Murton, Pie, Hill, Guz whomever isnt enough to get him

KSUCubbie

by ksucubbie on Feb 27, 2006 1:59 PM CST reply actions

i can't believe

that some people here would seriously rather not have cabrera because he might be a prima donna.

news flash: they're all prima donnas.

i'm just perplexed. do you people WANT the cubs to stay a loser?

by gaius marius on Feb 27, 2006 3:43 PM CST reply actions

Holy Cow!

I agree with gaius!

I had to give up my moniker so that Chuck could have it back.

by Scott @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Feb 27, 2006 5:11 PM CST up reply actions

no

well saying all players are prima donna's is about as accurate as saying the sun is purple but cabera would be a great great additon but its all a pipe dream- they dont want to trade him for his attitude but rather the millions he is gonna get in arb. next year- so we would have to send prospects or young talent and we dont have enough to get him compared to other organizations- our best package simpy isnt good enough right now (Murton, Pie, Pitcher)

KSUCubbie

by ksucubbie on Feb 27, 2006 6:00 PM CST up reply actions

i do agree

that their dumping him seems a very remote possibility being so far from free agency.

by gaius marius on Feb 28, 2006 8:56 AM CST up reply actions

Newsflash

They're NOT all prima donnas. There's a difference in being confident in your ability and being a jerk. Ill take a team full of David Ecksteins any day. All he does is hustle and win.

by BeerCub on Feb 27, 2006 6:37 PM CST up reply actions

a team full of david ecksteins

would win 39 games. :)

they are virtually all prima donnas -- in degrees as numberous as there are players, but these are men who have been afforded an extended adolescence devoid of true responsibility and feted into believing that they are gods among men. no human being can survive the experience of fame untouched.

i would agree that some few understand how the experience of fame can alter them and consciously apply their rational souls to mitigate its effects -- and bully for them! -- but those few are in a very small minority, i fear, so much so that refusing to obtain a player because he might be a juan gonzalez or a jose canseco or a babe ruth seems to invite futility.

by gaius marius on Feb 28, 2006 9:02 AM CST up reply actions

Hey Gaius...

would you give up Prior for him?

Anyone can have a bad century...

by Kinky Reggae on Feb 27, 2006 4:55 PM CST reply actions

I would.

Prior is good. Has the potential to be great.

Cabrera is already great and has the potential to be a player of Pujolsian levels.

I would have traded Prior for Tejada, and Cabrera is better, so yeah, that's a no brainer for me.

I had to give up my moniker so that Chuck could have it back.

by Scott @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Feb 27, 2006 5:10 PM CST up reply actions

That was my point...

I would have traded Prior for Tejada also...don't know if I agree with you about Cabrera being better than Tejada (now) but he is so young and will most likely surpass his talent in his career. Right now, I'd say Tejada is a higher caliber player, even if it is only for his experience and seasoned nature. Again though, 22 years old and rising, a much better gamble to dump Prior.

Of course this is all hypothetical because we aint gettin Cabrera.

Anyone can have a bad century...

by Kinky Reggae on Feb 27, 2006 6:48 PM CST up reply actions

Hell...

I doubt we'd even need to offer Prior to get Cabrera, if the Marlins were serious about trading him anyway.

"Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!" -Homer J. Simpson

by Whitebacon on Mar 1, 2006 3:48 AM CST up reply actions

blink of an eye

by gaius marius on Feb 28, 2006 9:03 AM CST up reply actions

Well I suppose we can agree on this then...

I find it hard to believe though Gaius that if you were as gifted as the MLB players and were afforded the opportunities and rewards that they are...that your priorities, moral fiber, and ethical standards would remain the same as they were prior.

Primma donna is a term that is overused because IMO there are plenty of players that appreciate what they have and play hard and earen the dough...and of course there are some who feel they deserve the world and then some, while not working hard for it.

Don't over generalize though...

Anyone can have a bad century...

by Kinky Reggae on Feb 28, 2006 9:44 AM CST up reply actions