Here's a guy we don't want to trade for...
Not that it is likely to be on anyone's mind, but we should probably cross Delmon Young off of any lists of possible trade targets. Apparently,
Top Tampa Bay prospect Delmon Young was suspended indefinitely by the International League on Thursday, a day after throwing a bat that hit a replacement umpire in the chest.I think someone needs anger management training.
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Did you read his "apology"?
Young has a lot of talent, but you're right -- anger management is clearly in his future.
by Al on Apr 27, 2006 8:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Young
DmL
by dmlichte on Apr 27, 2006 9:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Shoot...
by ontheuptick on Apr 27, 2006 9:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
A mistake?
DmL
by dmlichte on Apr 27, 2006 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And this
by Josh77 on Apr 27, 2006 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry
by BeerCub on Apr 27, 2006 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure
It must be nice to be the Shadow and know what evil lurks in the hearts of men. I was taught "Judge not, least ye be judged." Can't remember who said that. Some famous old guy.
I'm not saying Young shouldn't be suspended for a hell of a lot longer than Marichal was--I was thinking 75 games. A lot depends on what he was doing off camera that we can't see. But saying that I'm too good to be on (or cheer for) the same team as someone like Delmon Young is on is a kind of self-righteousness I could do without.
by Josh77 on Apr 27, 2006 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Young
Why?
by dmlichte on Apr 27, 2006 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why not?
"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."
If you've lived a perfect life, then I apologize for what I've said.
by Josh77 on Apr 27, 2006 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Live By The Sword
by BeerCub on Apr 27, 2006 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Old Testament Guy
by Josh77 on Apr 27, 2006 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hope you're not looking
by gaius marius on Apr 28, 2006 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As I said...
Would have been easier to see it as sincere, and accept that he really IS sorry, had that been so.
by Al on Apr 28, 2006 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
My point was, if I were the Devil Rays President, GM or whatever, I'd ask baseball not to suspend him, I'd want to do it myself. Young is an investment for the team and they need to reign in his behavior. This is not the first time Young has had problems. He has a history of anger and behavioral problems. I do not know about the Marichel situation and it sounds like MLB didn't do what it should have, however just because they erred in that situation doesn't mean that they should do so again. The Devil Rays should set the tone not just for their organization but for sports as a whole and say that this is how things should be done. I applaude the Philadelphia Eagles for kicking Terrell Owens to the curb last year. If I were in charge of the Giants I'd do the same thing to Bonds.
DmL
by dmlichte on Apr 27, 2006 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
this is the difficulty i have with that
is that you know nothing. i know nothing. neither of us have seen the man, let alone the incident.
we as men live by laws -- and the law should punish him, NOT MEN. the point of having law is to curtail as severely as possible the fallible judgment of men. doing so is what keeps society functional.
baseball is dysfunctional in this regard -- it has no fixed proscriptions for assaulting an umpire, for example. but it should. to the extent that you're complaining about baseball's lawlessness, dml, i completely agree.
but when the sentence is completed, let it be over. this idea of holding a grudge is a great way to undermine social conventions and function, a concession to an antisociety of personal paranoia. forgive as you would seek forgiveness. young may be troubled -- all the more reason to forgive and embrace.
by gaius marius on Apr 28, 2006 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The problem is
by cubbiejulie on Apr 28, 2006 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your Post Would Be fFunny If It Weren't So Sad
I'd offer you could use a little more of it if you truly feel this way, and you obviously want us to think you do. Since you brought up Marichal, as good a pitcher as he was, what he did was assault Roseboro with a deadly weapon. He should have been tossed from baseball and done time. If he does that on a city playground we wouldn't even be arguing the point. Too many sports incidents like that get excused because they happened on a professional field of play.
But as for Young, he should be done for the year. Period. He threw a frickin' bat at an umpire at a fairly high rate of seed. Again, if I did that to you on the street I'd be sitting in a cell right now. There's no excusing it, no coddling it, no way around behavior like this. Young still for time to redeem himself, but as has been reported, he's got a history of this. And I sure don't want assholes with a proclivity for criminal behavior on the team I root for.
by BeerCub on Apr 27, 2006 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
John Roseboro
And I seriously doubt he would be doing time for throwing a bat at someone that caused no injury. My wife was locked up in a room and assaulted by a woman who punched her repeatedly in the face and broke her nose. The punishment? One year's probation. (AND THIS WAS NOT IN CALIFORNIA, SO DON'T SAY IT WAS JUST CRAZY CALIFORNIA.)
So don't tell me he'd be doing time for that on the playground. It wouldn't even go to trial. This country is too damn busy locking up people for having a ten milligrams of cocaine to lock up people for something like this.
What you said would be funny if it weren't so true of the self-righteous nature of society today. Like I said, must be fun being the Shadow.
by Josh77 on Apr 27, 2006 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heh
by BeerCub on Apr 27, 2006 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know
But just for you I'll go down to the county jail and heckle people as they walk out.
by Josh77 on Apr 27, 2006 11:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh
I guess one thing you can hold against me for as long as I live is not reading carefully enough.
Yeah, I actually agree that Marichal would have done time for what he did. Not a lot, but some. But I for one am glad that he wasn't kicked out of baseball and he actually became a productive member of society rather than a shiftless ex-con that can't get a job and ends up being a drain on society.
by Josh77 on Apr 27, 2006 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you must be
a very young prosecutor, bc.
by gaius marius on Apr 28, 2006 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
a bunch of thugs?
but this bravado - character counts - is just silly considering how little any of us know about current cubs as people.
by DSZ on Apr 27, 2006 11:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Young
DmL
by dmlichte on Apr 27, 2006 11:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he should be unhappy
last year the devil rays did not bring him up in september because they didn't want him to accrue any mlb service time. if this is his way of trying to get the devil rays to trade him, i think it's obviously misguided.
but if he were available and the price were reasonable, i would want hendry to trade for him without hesitation.
by DSZ on Apr 28, 2006 7:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you kidding?
Winning is why we root for the Cubs but the win above all else mentality really scares me about society. This is what causes Giants fans to root for Barry Bonds under the spectre of tremendous evidence that he is a cheat. I am not a religious person and I will not preach about morals. However all too often we are willing to look past what is right and what is wrong for the same of getting what we want.
DmL
by dmlichte on Apr 27, 2006 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't really
But what would you have done with Juan Marichal? Answer me that because what Marichal did was a hell of a lot worse than what Young just did. Why weren't we booing Marichal as he sat in the booth for the WBC?
Delmon Young=threw a bat from a distance that hit an umpire in the arm.
Juan Marichal=took a baseball bat and clubbed it over John Roseboro's head.
I know which one I think is worse. And we don't seem to be shunning Marichal wherever he goes.
by Josh77 on Apr 27, 2006 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, it's not.
by Matt Allison on Apr 28, 2006 4:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He may be a jerk
I'd trade for him and hope for the best. Luckily for you, there is absolutely no chance that the Devil Rays will trade him. None.
He may not win any merit badges for good behavior, but he's got a good chance to win a couple of MVP awards.
Get used to him. He's going to be around for a while.
by Josh77 on Apr 27, 2006 10:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If anybody wants to see the video...
He overreacted, but if he turns out to be a dud in the majors, I'm sure this'll be all we'll remember him by.
by Keith on Apr 27, 2006 10:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
In his defense
Shouldn't have been tossed shouldn't have been called a strike, and he shouldn't have tossed the bat.
That being said if the Devil Rays want to give up on him for Rich Hill and Jerome Williams call him up bring him up and let him play 1b he can also play OF but theres no chance in ehll they would be willing to do something like that
by cubsfan2883 on Apr 27, 2006 10:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Of course
I will not defend what he did in any way shape or form. I will defend Delmon Young and his right to play baseball AFTER he serves a very long suspension. And I will not judge the content of a man's character whom I have never met on the basis of one incident.
by Josh77 on Apr 27, 2006 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They'll make an example of him
But for now, they should really (I mean really) punish him - but once he's done with that, give him a chance to redeem himself.
by elscorcho0682 on Apr 27, 2006 11:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm confused
You NEVER Throw a bat at an umpire and if Delmon thought he could get away with it because he is a replacement umpire, well, Delmon is even MORE immature than I thought. He threw a bat at an umpire. That's all that matters.
by tal1286 on Apr 28, 2006 8:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re
There are some lines you just don't cross. Assaulting an umpire is clearly one of them.
I don't care what Young's history is, if it were up to me, he'd be done with baseball in 2006 and have the opportunity to find out what making $7 / hour at Wal-Mart is all about.
by Jed Taylor on Apr 28, 2006 3:08 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
hmm.
"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."
I find it funny that moral relativists continue to quote from a book that they usually refer to as mythology. You are also judging someone when you refer to them as being self-righteous for what you consider to be intolerance.
Have you ever heard of the term "the court of public opinion"? Well it is my opinion that Delmon Young is a punk that needs to be suspended for the season.
by cubfan4life on Apr 28, 2006 8:54 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
it can be both
refuting that wisdom because you want to destroy someone you don't know for what you perceive they've done is the height of abdication of the entire christian philosophy. "the court of public opinion" is the lowest standard, not the highest.
by gaius marius on Apr 28, 2006 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I consider...
One of the precepts of moral relativity is not judging immoral behaivor. This in turn has changed the definition of tolerance and in-tolerance thereby leaving our society morally vacuous.
by cubfan4life on Apr 28, 2006 10:33 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
it is the obligation of LAW
and the "court of public opinion" is nothing else -- the ridiculous and frequently stupid suppositions of masses of animals acting in herds -- engaging in the complete forfeiture of their god-given rational and contemplative souls.
morality in law is all there is for us, sir, if we are to approach god. on that i'm sure we can agree.
by gaius marius on Apr 28, 2006 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
One of many...
In recent years our society as a whole has become more "tolerant", not because we have evolved or we are more enlightened but rather the definition for what is tolerant and in-tolerant has partly changed. Many of us don't want to be caught on the side of what is now deemed "intolerant" because we fear society's scorn of various labels.
by cubfan4life on Apr 28, 2006 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

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