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Reflections

I'm not going to write much about last night's 9-1 loss to the Marlins, which reached new lows for this year's version of our favorite team, and this only a day after a dramatic come-from-behind win over the defending World Champions. Just when you thought perhaps at least the humiliation was over, it got worse. And to add insult to insult, the Marlins did it with two of the guys the Cubs sent them for the mostly-ineffective Juan Pierre -- Ricky Nolasco and Renyel Pinto (and yet another ex-Cub, Todd Wellemeyer), and not just on the mound, either. Nolasco hit his first major league home run off Sean Marshall.

Instead of analyzing a game that was over in the second inning, I'm going to do as I've done a few times in the past and write a little bit about why I'm here, and hope that it reaches the hard hearts of those who are having steam come out of their ears about this season.

Is this season turning into a disaster? Absolutely, it is. Those who say I don't see that -- well, you're just plain wrong. I see it every day in person. This team was constructed in such a way that every single thing had to break right for it to have a chance to win.

Not only did that not happen, but pretty much every single thing that could go wrong, has gone wrong.

But does that make me want to foam at the mouth, say "Fire everyone!" or "Sign anyone just to say we did so!" or "I'm going to put a bag over my head and march outside Wrigley Field in protest!" or "I'm giving up my season tickets, and I'm going to burn them along with Jim Hendry in effigy!"

None of the above, frankly, has any effect whatsoever. Many bloggers and others, frankly, flatter themselves that anything they write here, or perform in public, will have an iota of an effect on the managers or executives hired by a subsidiary of a publicly traded corporation.

It won't. You'll accomplish exactly the same thing if you go down to 435 N. Michigan Avenue in Chicago and beat your head against the stone walls of Tribune Tower. And when you're done with that, all you'll have is a massive headache, and the building will still be there.

Just as we'll all be here, I hope, continuing to discuss the team we DO all love. And why do we love the Cubs?

For most of you, no matter what your age, it probably began when you were about 7 or 8 years old and your dad (or maybe your mom, or both) took you to Wrigley Field. And you were mesmerized by the magic of the green field, and the sights and sounds and smells, and yes, the baseball, no matter where the Cubs were in the standings.

Or, you came home from school in the days when the Cubs were on TV every afternoon, and Jack Brickhouse or Harry Caray became your surrogate dad or uncle or grandfather, bringing those sights and sounds into your home, maybe well enough so that you could almost smell the smells, too.

As you got older, if you're old enough to pre-date the first modern-era Cub division title in 1984, you learned that pennants and division championships were things that other teams won. And yes, that made you sad. And disappointed. And frustrated. And maybe even angry. But what it did, in part, was to help you learn to enjoy other things about baseball. A pitcher who threw a no-hitter. Players who hit tons of home runs, or stole a lot of bases, or played the field particularly well, performed as artists as well as athletes. You learned to study the history of the game, and how players, managers, owners, and yes, even fans, fit into the fabric of a sport that has been a major part of the history of this nation for more than a hundred and thirty years. The French-born American scholar Jacques Barzun said it best, writing in 1954, and you may have only heard the first part of this famous quote, not the second:

Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball, the rules and realities of the game and do it by watching first some high-school or small-town teams.

That isn't, incidentally, supposed to be a veiled slam at the Cubs as a "high-school team". What I'm trying to say is that there are plenty of things to love about baseball, that tell us much about who we are as human beings.

Another quote comes to mind here:

Winning isn't everything; it's the only thing.
Well, no, no it isn't. There are other rewards to following sports. And according to this Wikipedia entry, that quote, long attributed to legendary Green Bay Packers coach Vince Lombardi, was instead most likely:
... coined by former Vanderbilt and UCLA football coach Henry ?Red? Sanders, who is credited by his players with first employing the slogan in the 1930s while coaching prep school football in Georgia. The quote is directly attributed to Sanders by the late Fred Russell, long-time Nashville Banner sports columnist, as well as by Hollywood screenwriter Mel Shavelson (who appropriated the quote for the 1953 film "Trouble Along the Way" in which John Wayne plays a small-college football coach). The quote also appeared in a 1955 Sports Illustrated article on Sanders.

Sanders, who was known for droll ?one-liners,? probably meant the quote as a nonsensical witticism. However, it was transformed into the tag line for the strident Lombardian ethic which became part of the Culture war of the 1960s, and continues to influence a certain breed of athletic coach.

Yes, I want the Cubs to win. Badly. More badly than some of you, actually, I think, because I've experienced more than forty years of losing, and dammit, I'm not getting any younger, and I'd like to feel the joy that the White Sox fans and Red Sox fans have felt in the last two seasons.

It's not likely to happen this summer. And there will be plenty of time to discuss whether the Cubs ought to sell off parts that might be useful to other teams, and when, and who might comprise next year's managerial and coaching staffs, whether it be those who are already there, or others.

In the meantime -- at last, this weekend, the weather is supposed to be summer-glorious in Chicago. There are plenty of things to love about going to a ballgame in beautiful summer weather, even if the product on the field isn't that terrific -- there's the sunshine, and watching history being made day-by-day, even if it's negative history, and the camaraderie of good friends likely sharing gallows humor about everything that we witness.

If you don't want to do this, if you want to have a bitchfest for the next four months -- well, that's surely your right, and I'd never stop you. At the same time, those who make this choice do not have the right to criticize those of us who do not wish to join them -- because joining them in the ways suggested above (boycotts, dumping season tickets, etc.) will have absolutely zero effect on the people making the decisions for the Cubs. They will decide in the way they think best.

Will that always BE best? Of course it won't. And that's when criticism is warranted, and will be given here.

I've been accused at times of loving the ballpark more than the team, and been asked if I'd give up Wrigley Field if I were guaranteed that would bring the Cubs a World Series title.

The answer is "of course I would", but I remind you that Red Sox fans were posed with the same question when ownership proposed demolishing Fenway Park and building a new one, much as the Yankees are going to be doing in New York over the next few years. The fan outcry was so loud that ownership backed off, made extensive Fenway renovations, and the Red Sox won anyway.

The point is: Wrigley Field is not the problem. The problem is -- not making good, sound baseball decisions. That is something we can and should all debate.

And with that in mind, I'm going to ask everyone here to take a deep breath and remember who we are -- we're all good people who love the Cubs, love the game and have the same goal here -- to see them win the World Series. Please try to be respectful to other posters here. There has been some fairly nasty stuff written recently, and I've given most of it a pass, because I know how frustrated we all are. I could, if I wanted to be trite, pull out the old Rodney King quote (which I'm sure you all know), but instead, I'll just ask all of you to remember that this isn't just words on a screen. There are real people behind each and every word written here, and I'd like to see all of you give the same respect for the posts of others, that you'd like to receive for your own.

Simple, I know, but it doesn't always happen.

Summer's coming. For the first time in four years, it appears it will come without much hope for our favorite baseball team, and that's been hard for all of us to deal with. So, let us proceed, day by day, to keep following the team, keep that tiny shred of hope for an absolute miracle, and barring that, confront the reality that faces us.

And instead of with sarcasm, let us articulately, with intelligence and creativity, try to posit solutions. Bag-on-the-head protests don't work, but you know what? The people in the suits do read these blogs. I'd like to think they'd take constructive and perceptive suggestions for change, more readily than angry, sneering, preening, condescending remarks.

When I say "keep the faith", I don't necessarily mean for this year, or even for tomorrow. I mean don't lose that love for the game and the Cubs that you've likely had since you've been a little kid.

For WHEN the Cubs finally win the World Series, that's what you'll feel like. And striving for that feeling is something none of us should ever lose.

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Good post, Al.
n/t

by Sidd Finch on May 23, 2006 8:41 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

100% agree - a Sox fan's view
This is why I don't understand the Sox/Cubs hatred for the other team's fans.  I grew up in Bridgeport, and was brought up to be a Sox fan.  I'd fall asleep at night on the couch with my dad watching them.  The Sox are the team I cheer for, and the Cubs are second - I couldn't imagine only having 1 baseball team.  Cubs during the day, Sox at night.

I love the Sox, but respect the Cubs, and their TRUE fans.  The same way Cubs fans respect TRUE Sox fans.  This Cubs team is horrible, but there is no way to financialy hurt the Tribune company.  But other than 3 more games this year - I'm pulling for the Cubs to salvage this season and get something good out of it.

by KRGTank101 on May 23, 2006 8:41 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Chicago fan
I totally agree with you, though from the other side. I root for all of the Chicago teams, except when the Sox are playing the Cubs, then it's Cubs all the way. I watched all of the Sox playoff games and did root for them, though it does, of course, sadden me that it couldn't have been us. If the Cubs can't pull it out this year, then I would much rather have the Sox win, than almost any other team, especially a team from the NL central. And here's one things Sox and Cubs fans can agree on: Go Bears!
"Be excellent to each other. And party on dudes!" - Bill S. Preston, Esquire & Ted "Theodore" Logan

by Louie on May 23, 2006 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

FitzSimons, McPhail and Hendry must go
This organization is in a state of major disrepair.  Despite what Hendry would tell us, the minor league system remains vastly overrated.  Nearly every move Hendry has made over the past couple seasons has horribly backfired.  

On separate note, there is growing rumor that Hendry has a significant drinking problem, and has had one for several years.  If that indeed is the case, then wouldn't it be nice if FitzSimons and McPhail intervened and got Hendry some help for his affliction?  Isn't that what good, compassionate employers do?  Can't McPhail step in as interim GM while Hendry gets help?  

Regardless who the GM is, it is time to back up the truck and to tear up the organizational game plan for building a winner.  The Cubs need to come up with a new strategy for selecting and developing talent.  

by Mike63 on May 23, 2006 8:48 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Tipsy McStagger?

If Jim Hendry doesn't drink, he should definitely start.  Nobody should be forced to watch this terrible team sober.

by salparadise23 on May 23, 2006 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Heh.
That actually made me laugh out loud.
AC036198 Fire Dusty. Please.

by gjdow on May 23, 2006 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks buddy
This is a superb post, Al, and in spite of the recent happenings, I'm like you-I plan on sticking with the team through thick and thin. Although it's REAL thin right now.

However, I recall a quote from the late, great John Belushi:

Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!

Poppppppppped it up...

by nextyearcub on May 23, 2006 8:51 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Group hug
I grow weary of the continued ineptitude, the continued over valuing of prospects, the continued refusal to play rookies, the continued insistence to play broken down veterans, and the insane reliance on two pitchers who, quite frankly, should be dumped.

10 years from now, when the Cubs are coming off ANOTHER 66-96 season, we'll look back at this era and wonder. I remember the high point - the Aramis homer game 4 victory in Miami - and the low point, which is essentially every game since.

"Don't worry, Joey. We'll go next year. They're in the World Series all the time" ---My grandfather to my sick father, October 10, 1945

by flyingdonut on May 23, 2006 8:57 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Good post!
I especially liked how you started it with "I'm not going to write much."
...right downtown and PRINT IT!!!

by CliffX on May 23, 2006 9:00 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks Al
This perspective is precisely why so many of us come here.  Keep it up!
Go Cubbies!

by NC Cubs Fan on May 23, 2006 9:02 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Well I am sorry but this is professional sports
and winning is everything. I have no desire to treat the Cubs as a philanthropic daily event.  That would be a great diary if you were talking to my kids little leaugue baseball team.  I am all for sportmanship and quiet confidence but for heaven sakes it has been 100 frickin years.  I guess I don't have much in common with other Cubs fans.  Unless this site draws a certain kind of fan?  I am not sure.  

by whatever39 on May 23, 2006 9:08 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

No, winning isn't everything...
... as I wrote.

But you know what? If you want to feel that way, that's fine with me.

Just don't slam others for the way THEY feel. I'm not saying you're doing this, but I definitely get that vibe from others.

by Al on May 23, 2006 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Its the only thing...
From the Cubs GM perspective Winning isn't everything,  it is the only thing .

Jim Hendry should take that line to heart when constructing his next ballclub and the Cubs ownership and brass should also take that into consideration.

There is no way we can win with this philosophy that has produced an OBA of .301. Sorry, it just will not happen. The pitching while shaky at times has been GOOD.  thats just it the team can pitch but what do you think happens when you are out there and you let up a couple runs.. say 2. and its 2-0 them.. How would you feel if you know your team cannot score in bunches.. now you have 2nd and 3rd. with 2 outs and a guy who drilled a single off you into right the first time up.  And you are literally staring the entire evening in the face IN THE 3RD INNING. What game should be facing its finale in the 3rd?

Thats what happened last night.. Marshall got behind early by a few runs.. Hanley Ramirez came up and drilled a single to Left. to make it 4-0 and then the Marlins unleashed the hounds on them.

You have to have a balance of all four areas of the game..
Pitching

Offense

Defense.

Baserunning.

Now baserunning isn't necessarily speed. Derrek Lee steals about 15 bases a year.. and he isn't indicitively fast he just is an excellent base runner. Same with Pujols I believe he stole like 12 bases last year.  Sometimes you just gotta know when to steal a base.. and stealing bases gets more guys in scoring position. It is sound strategy.

Anyway it will not take much to rebuild this team.  You need to cut bait with Jones.. I say leave Neifi on.. Cut bait with Rusch or leave him on doesn't matter and do the following things..

  • Sign or Trade for a SS or RF prospect or player who can hit.
  • Marcus Sanders-SF SS for example..
  • Sign 1 or 2 guys to the starting rotation.
 THere are a pleathora of solid middle of the rotation guys that the Cubs can sign...
  • Doug Davis
  • Mark Mulder
I don't feel like looking them all up.. you can make a run for Zito but I don't think he is necessary.

by cubsfan2883 on May 23, 2006 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No No No
Al, I don't think I have ever disagreed more with anything you have said than this statement:
Many bloggers and others, frankly, flatter themselves that anything they write here, or perform in public, will have an iota of an effect on the managers or executives hired by a subsidiary of a publicly traded corporation.

Fans can most directly show discontent  by not showing up at the ballpark (see Marlins and the former Expos).  But let's face it, Wrigley is going to draw 3 million fans a year, win or lose.  That leaves cyberspace as the only way (besides beating your head on the TribCo building) to let team officials know how you feel.  

I will even be the first to admit it.  One of the reasons that I enjoy posting here is the idea that just maybe some executive or player or scout actually reads these diaries and comments and incorporates them into their plan for the team.   How could they not?  The people here on BCB are the true diehard fans that not only buy tickets and merchandise, but raise their kids as Cub fans and wear their faith on their sleeve, manifested as a blue bracelet with the word BELIEVE on it.  This website is the pulse if the Cubs Nation and I doubt that many people would disagree.  So yes, somewhere in the back of my mind I believe that we, the faithful, make a contribution towards the ultimate goal of a championship, despite what TRB is trading for on the NYSE.  

Chicks dig the long ball

by Will23 on May 23, 2006 9:10 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

However, Will..
... I also said:
And instead of with sarcasm, let us articulately, with intelligence and creativity, try to posit solutions. Bag-on-the-head protests don't work, but you know what? The people in the suits do read these blogs. I'd like to think they'd take constructive and perceptive suggestions for change, more readily than angry, sneering, preening, condescending remarks.

THAT, above almost everything else, is what I want BCB to be -- articulate, intelligent, creative, and constructive, rather than just slam and blast.

by Al on May 23, 2006 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You can't have it both ways
Either we can influence them or we can't.
Al, you said that boycots, protests, et al (no pun intended) will not make the corporate suits bat an eyelash.
And then you say that you'd like to think that they'd listen to constructive and perceptive suggestions posted in places like this.

Sadly, I think that your first assertion is correct; if they sell 3,000,000 tickets, nothing else will matter. I doubt they read any of what we say, and if they did, I doubt even more that they care.
They routinely disregard the national media, people who are paid and have spent a lifetime analyzing and reporting on the outcomes of major-league baseball teams; what do they care what a bunch of angst-ridden Cubs fans think?

They.
don't.

McPhail has job security. From him, Hendry has job security. From him, Dusty has job security. From him, his coaches have job security.

Nothing is going to change.
They're going to continue to stay the course, and spin out the same bilge they have, and we're going to continue to lap it up.

"Respect the game above all else." - Ryne Sandberg

by Tom on May 23, 2006 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also Al great post, Tom I agree
 As long as McFail has job security, Hendry does, Dusty and sadly Gene Clines and Matthews, No one goes, great. This team needs more than a kick start, a full boost it needs. Great point Tom. Until the mindset changes, swinging at 3-0 when you haven't had an extra base hit in a month, throwing to first on a ground ball with the pitcher covering, when the runner is past the bag, etc... And making dumb trades of minor leaguers, ( I am a big fan of Nolasco, 33-12 or close to it in the minors)And the GM's comment " Well the Marlins really know how to scout the Minor leagues" No, really Jim, do you remember Dontrelle Willis. They blew it with Nolasco, AND not because of last night, watch this kid. Boy it is frustrating
Where is Carmen Fanzone?

by Johnny Callison was a Cub on May 23, 2006 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Okay..
..those 2 block quotes are contradictory of each other.  How can the guys in the suits be reading, yet Many bloggers and others..flatter themselves that anything they write here..will have an iota of an effect on the managers or executives hired by a subsidiary of a publicly traded corporation?

Am I missing the sarcasm of one of these?

I am taking this in it's most literal context (that all posts were an ineffective way of showing dissent) while I think you maybe are applying it to the "fire dusty, sign someone" ad nauseam posts?  

Chicks dig the long ball

by Will23 on May 23, 2006 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess I wasn't totally clear...
... I was trying to say that yes, these blogs do get read. But the ones that are shrill and snarky are going to be dismissed out of hand, and I don't want BCB degenerating into that, and I sensed things like that were beginning to happen.

We're not going to have a direct effect. We can debate intelligently, creatively and articulately all we want, and in the end, Cub management -- or ANY team management -- will do what it wants.

Debating in a civil manner, at the very least, raises the TONE of the debate, rather than continuing to say, "Fire Dusty, sign someone just to sign him," etc.

by Al on May 23, 2006 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Understood..
Ok, I just was confused for a minute.  Overall this was a very good post.  I guess an asswhippin' at the hands of the fish (and 3 former Cubs) is bound to stir up some deep thoughts.
Chicks dig the long ball

by Will23 on May 23, 2006 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let's face it......
...anyone that gives up season tickets will be quickly replaced and the ballpark will always be 95+% filled. What I'm going to do is boycott all food and drink at the game and all merchandise. That stuff is about 80% profit margin and if enough people do that Tribco will notice, although even that will not have much of a financial impact, if any. It's just a way to let them know of my displeasure. I don't have any problem with the march or "protest" coming up outside Wrigley. I think bad publicity directed towards management is appropriate.
"I was not in optimum condition to manage ," Dusty said. "I regret that lapse in judgment."

by Reverend Jim Ignatowski on May 23, 2006 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not really
anyone that gives up season tickets will be quickly replaced and the ballpark will always be 95+% filled.

Many of us here are old enough to remember this team and park before the mid 80s.  The packed houses are a relativley recent event.  To say that could never happpen again is simply untrue.  Obviously it won't happen this year as most tickets have already been sold, but you can bet the brokers are not getting the returns they expected for this year, and that may well have an effect on how many they buy next year at the start of the season.  Cubs tickets are already no longer the "hot ticket" they were a couple of years ago.  It would take some time, but sold out games are not a guarantee in years forward.

by pwhalen on May 23, 2006 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It is true...
... that after a few seasons of losing, the crowds do begin to diminish. It happened after '84, '89, and even the '98 playoff season -- by 2002, crowds were down.

Just look at what the White Sox are now drawing to see what winning does.

Still, it's going to take more than a couple of years for this to happen, as you correctly note.

by Al on May 23, 2006 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's already...
...happening.  The Cubs are already advertising non-stop on WGN radio for tickets.  I guarantee you by next year you'll be seeing games with attendance in the low 30,000s.  This means they're also losing revenue from their ticket scalping organization.

by jolietconvict on May 23, 2006 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've noticed the same ticket sales erosion
2004 - forget about it, tickets were a premium.  Last year, still sold out but not a premium anymore.  Today, with exception of a few key series, seats are available where over the past two years they would not have been.  Like yourself I've noticed that Pat Hughes is hawking tickets during their radio broadcasts and through Cubs Ivy Line emails and empty seats at Wrigley.  I think all the fair weather fans have decided to spend their entertainment money elsewhere.

If this team continues to lose and lose big like they have this month, sales will continue to decline over the next few years.  Thus, a defacto economic boycott will occur but over a much longer period of time than an immediate largely symbolic TribCo boycott that some advocate.  

It is very depressing to contemplate that the Cubs could very well be in a very slow downward spiral since we peaked in 2003.

by JFCubFan on May 23, 2006 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's not just during games...
...they're also playing this ridiculous sappy commercial during the day.  Basically it says "We suck, but you should come out to the park because you always have."

by jolietconvict on May 23, 2006 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cub Mess
The ONLY hope for the Cubs is for the Tribune Company to sell.  It doesn't matter if the Cubs win or lose 100 games, Wrigley will still be packed.  A fan boycott is never, ever in a million years going to happen.  Too many people who follow this team no too little about baseball and are in it for the appeal of Wrigley and membership in the Luvable Loser Society.  There's no boycott threat that will ever work.  If the White Sox winning the World Series and building a model franchise hasn't awaken the Cubs, then nothing will.  

Hope is limited to one option.  And that is Tribune Company sale of the franchise.  

by Mike63 on May 23, 2006 9:19 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

re: ownership change
I'm still undecided on whether or not the Cubs could benefit from a change in ownership. For as nice as it would be to get a Mark Cuban running the show, we could equally end up with a $Bill Wirtz$ whose idea of ownership is rape and pillage. As in "rape the fans, pillage the team".

Maybe the Cubs could become a public company like the GB Packers?

Jacque Jones-doubled-off-second-o-meter: 3

by jrm78 on May 23, 2006 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm confused
Al, you state the following

"Many bloggers and others, frankly, flatter themselves that anything they write here, or perform in public, will have an iota of an effect on the managers or executives hired by a subsidiary of a publicly traded corporation.

It won't."

But you also tell people that they cannot really "know" that the season is over because of chance happenings in the past.

Has a protest or boycott never worked before?  I would suggest they have a better success rate than the teams falling five games back.

But the bigger point is that given a large enough sample either you can use past experience as a future indicator to draw a solid conclusion ("It won't", or "It's over"), or you cannot.  However it seems your interpretation is that you can when it supports your own views, but not when it clashes with them.

Which is it?

By all means continue to enjoy the games at the park but realize that a corporate entity is not going to make changes when they are already maximizing profits.  Unless, of course, they receive enough negative publicity to anger the shareholders.

by pwhalen on May 23, 2006 9:25 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

As I have noted before...
.... re: "maximizing profits" -- if indeed enough people "boycotted" or stopped coming to games, the result would not be positive change.

The result would be a reduced payroll, to continue the profits.

So you're saying you'd like the Cubs to become the Royals, and lose for years to come.

I think a lot of you missed the other point, which is that there ARE things you can enjoy about baseball when your team is losing, instead of just bitching and criticizing.

by Al on May 23, 2006 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Absolutely!
I mean, did you SEE the china and silverware on the Titanic? Some of that stuff was just beautiful.
Those people who froze to death in the icy waters of the north Atlantic were short-sighted to only be thinking of their impending doom. They should have appreciated the crystal-clear night. I bet they could have counted shooting stars if they weren't busy dying.
"Respect the game above all else." - Ryne Sandberg

by Tom on May 23, 2006 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know.
</tongue in cheek>
"Respect the game above all else." - Ryne Sandberg

by Tom on May 23, 2006 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

10:46 AM EST..
..BCB post of the day.  I just spit coffee all over the ottoman.  Hilarious!
Chicks dig the long ball

by Will23 on May 23, 2006 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What exactly have you enjoyed about the Cubs
this year.  Other than see Sean Marshall develop I am struggling to stay focused.  As for this winning isn't everything line you are so against...  At some point you stop giving all the kids trophies and taking them for ice scream after games.  They do keep score in MLB and there is one champion at the end of the year.  "Winning isn't everything" a very big problem for the Cubs  98 years and counting.  

by whatever39 on May 23, 2006 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What??
The result would be a reduced payroll, to continue the profits.

Al, that's not maximizing profits, that's creating a death spiral.  Something almost any competent businessman would recognize and avoid at all costs.  Do you think when an auto company is losing market share to the competition they say "Well since we're only selling half as many units we need to make twice as much profit on them.  Since the market sets the price the only way to get that money back is to build a terrible product using inferior materials thus creating a higher margin."?  No, because they know that that would only further reduce the number of units sold the next year.

They would look at why people are choosing to spend their money on other products.  Is it the product itself, or the marketing.  If the product is clearly inferior then you look for ways to try to improve it.  If it is equal then the blame goes to marketing/sales.  

On the field the Cubs have been getting a horrendous ROI in recent years given their payroll.  This falls on McFail, Crueller Jim and Dusty.  If thhe Trib were to analyze the situation this woulld be obvious.  But they are not going to do that unless they have a reason to.

by pwhalen on May 23, 2006 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yabbut...
... a baseball team isn't a car company. Yes, a sports team will reduce payroll to make up for lessened ticket sales. Happens all the time.

by Al on May 23, 2006 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes it happpens
When other option have been depleted.  For instance the Marlins.  The spent money to put a winning team on the field and were not able to make it profitable.  They won a World Series (actually 2) and did not get the support to sustain the payroll.  Additionaly they have lower ticket prices and a smaller local TV deal so they were unable to make up the shortfall elsewhere.

You're right this is a baseball team not an auto manufacturer, but it is run like any other division of a corporation.  More importantly the process of determining where the fault lies is exactly the same in each situation.

Florida cannot fill the house everyday even when they are winning, that has been proven.  That changes the situation immensely.  The Cubs have the resources and are spending enough to be competitive, but not spending it wisely (obviously).    The suits will figure out where the problem is IF they are forced to recognize that there is, indeed, a problem.

by pwhalen on May 23, 2006 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Part of the Marlins problem...
... is that, being an expansion team, they have no history to build on, no long-term fan base, and much of the local population is expatriate, i.e. fans of some other team.

They play in a football stadium in the middle of nowhere. Ever been there? It is the worst baseball stadium I've ever been to.

Then, they had two fire sales, which piss off fans.

It's not an apt comparison.

by Al on May 23, 2006 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just be glad..
..they don't play in the Orange Bowl.  That place should be demolished then covered in quicklime.  
Chicks dig the long ball

by Will23 on May 23, 2006 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Then you choose
Pick any of the teams that you say have cut payroll due to lower ticket sales and show me how they compare to the Cubs.

by pwhalen on May 23, 2006 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

How much better off...
...are the Cubs than the Royals?  The farm system is practically drained, they're loaded with contracts that are likely to start weighing down the team.  Meanwhile they haven't been to the World Series in 61 years and won the damn thing in 98 years.

by jolietconvict on May 23, 2006 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Locus of Control
You are absolutely right.  We, as fans, really have no control what the front office does or what the players have do on the field.  About the only good thing I have come up with is bringing a sign to the field that said, "Theriot> Perez."  Yesterday, I listened to the Score from about noon on (big mistake, but I was bored) and you should have heard the people calling in to boycott the Cubs, blah, blah, blah.  First, it won't make any difference.  Second, there are still too many things that I like about this team.  The biggest reason I like this team is the fans and specifically this website.  Somebody mentioned the Marlins or the Expos fans in a post above.  We are not anywhere related to them.  The Marlins have TWO World Championships in the past 10 seasons and didn't support their team either year after they won the World Series.  I never want to be associated with a fan base like that.  I have been to two games this year, both were about 47 degrees and raining and there were still a bunch of people there.  The Tribune company has spent some of their money, it's not like the Royals or the Marlins.

by MerigoldBowling on May 23, 2006 9:33 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

goog post
I want to see change in the organization from the top down, I admit that.  Major changes need to be made.  I am a huge baseball fan though.  I love the game.  I love the Cubbies and want them to do good so badly that I get furious at the product I am seeing this year.  I always want baseball to be enjoyable though.  If it isn't then why invest 2 to 3 hours a day to it for 6 months?  It begins to feel like a waste of time after a while.  I'm not going to give up on the Cubs though.  Eventually we will get to celebrate a World Series Championship.  The very fact that I will be crying tears of joy when they win it all is the same reason I get so upset when I see them do poorly.  In my opinion you can't have it one way and not the other.  I am too emotional to deny this.  
When you get feeling real down about the team, just pop in a copy of This Old Cub.  If seeing Ronny's story can't get you feeling better then nothing can.  He still believes and so do I, although it won't be this year.  
"The only way to prove that you're a good sport is to lose." - Ernie Banks

by madog93 on May 23, 2006 9:42 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

More Stuff On Marshall
Check this out from Tribune today in Sulliban's article, at the end of the article he writes about Mrashall's innings compared to the minors:

{{{Marshall has already thrown 472/3 innings in nine starts, after throwing a combined 94 innings in 16 starts last year in Class A and Double A. Whether his arm is getting taxed is something the Cubs may soon have to address.}}}

This is important because averaging only 5 innings per start in the Bigs is absolutely nothing.  In fact, it's not good.  And 94 innings over 16 starts in the minors is not much better.  What this indicates to me is that this guy has had some arm injuries or he might be better suited for the bullpen?

If he has had arm injuries, then counting on him for the entire season, in case you did not reralize it he is now our No. 2 starter, well let's just say it's going to be wise to have a backup plan for Marshall, Johnny B....

I am not ragging on Marshall here, just pointing out that his innings have been very light both here and in the minors.  They need to be kept light in the Majors right now because the guy has not pitched enough yet to build up arms strength...Hopefully he is healthy and they won't burn him out, but when your No. 2 is only going 5 innings the season doesn't hold much promise...

by DudeVf1 on May 23, 2006 9:43 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Thats just great
the last thing I was enjoying about the Cubs every fifth start.  

by whatever39 on May 23, 2006 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Perhaps...
the moderate pitch counts in Marshall's youth are a sign that the Cubs have drawn the lessons from the way they messed up Prior (and Wood too, but he was messed up from h.s. on). Given that this is already a lost season, there's no reason to "stretch" Marshall in a significant way.

(Of course, if he gets rocked in his 2nd time through the league it woun't really matter).

by goldstj2 on May 23, 2006 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gonna be sick..
from the article on the Pierre-Mitre/Nolasco trade.."Nolasco has (now) outhomered Pierre 1-0, while both have two RBIs. He's 3-1 in his young career, with two of those wins coming against the Cubs." -Paul Sullivan
Chicks dig the long ball

by Will23 on May 23, 2006 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's silly, of course...
... because Pierre isn't a HR hitter, nor was he signed to be one. Nolasco, a pitcher, might never homer again.

The two RBI are a little weak on Pierre's part, admittedly, but since he doesn't homer, that's mostly dependent on the rest of the team to get on base.

Which they don't.

by Al on May 23, 2006 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And...
Since Pierre is the leadoff hitter, he's not going to get many chances for RBIs anyways, seeing as how the guys at the bottom of the order are sort of sucking at getting on base.
--Tim http://fridayafternoonintheuniverse.blogspot.com

by elscorcho0682 on May 23, 2006 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

On pace for 8 rbi's....

for the whole season!  Lead-off hitter or not, an everyday player should do better than that.

by salparadise23 on May 23, 2006 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right, but
look at who's been getting on base behind him.
--Tim http://fridayafternoonintheuniverse.blogspot.com

by elscorcho0682 on May 23, 2006 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Numbers Don't Lie
Juan Pierre is 3 for 26 (.115) with five strikeouts with runners in scoring position this year.  Put him on the trading block yesterday.
One day, the dream will come true.

by brianp88 on May 23, 2006 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So he's
had 26 at bats with RISP.

And 183 at bats total this season. I'm agreeing with you about 3 for 26 being dismal. But I'm also pointing out the 157 at bats he's taken without RISP. That's something like 14 or 15 percent of the time, he's gotten to the plate without any RISP. Which ain't no good for the ribbies, either.

--Tim http://fridayafternoonintheuniverse.blogspot.com

by elscorcho0682 on May 23, 2006 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree
that his RBI chances have been limited.  Having said that, he's done little with the chances he's had.

The real issue with Pierre is his on base percentage.  Pierre is currently at .276.  That's just not good enough, plain and simple. Compare that to some other lead off men in MLB:

Youkilis, BOS .424
Damon, NYY .356
Counsell, ARZ .387
Eckstein, STL .392
Weeks, MIL .365
Lopez, CIN .386

I could go on and on.  If you aren't going to have a high on base percentage, then you'd better be driving the ball and creating some runs, one way or another.  Pierre isn't doing that.  

He doesn't see enough pitches.  Part of a lead off man's job is to make the pitcher work, even if he fails to get on base.  Youkilis, who has come from out of nowhere because of the injury to Crisp in Boston, sees an average of 4.48 pitches per plate appearance.  Pierre sees 3.56 pitches per at-bat.  That's a huge difference.  The more pitches you see, the more likely you are to hit the ball hard.  The more pitches you see, the harder the pitcher has to work.

It all starts at the the top.  The Cubs will go a LONG way towards respectability by replacing the leadoff man.    

One day, the dream will come true.

by brianp88 on May 23, 2006 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fair enough
I totally agree with you. I was just trying to add in that a bit of the RBI issue comes from the OBPs of the guys behind him.

But you're completely right with what you said.

--Tim http://fridayafternoonintheuniverse.blogspot.com

by elscorcho0682 on May 23, 2006 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

To be even more silly..
..I would mention that Nolasco is hitting (an unqualified) .333 and has an ops of 1.166 (.240/.577 for JP).  C'mon, Al, you know I have a soft spot for busting on Pierre =).  
Chicks dig the long ball

by Will23 on May 23, 2006 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great Post
I'm taking my 5 year old to see Maddux on Saturday, and your post made me remember why.  Awesome post Al.

by chiswede on May 23, 2006 10:06 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Um Maddux on Saturday?
He will pitch Wed  & Monday
Marshall would be scheduled on Sat

( Um I  kind of map these things out you know)

by jessica on May 23, 2006 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

NT
I would say this to anyone who is a Cub fan.  Do as you please as long as it does not become personal.  Yes, we have folks on both sides of the aisle, and really at the end of the day, everyone is accountable for his or her behavior.

What I will say about the current Cubs is this - could you ever have imagined Ryne Sandberg or Andre Dawson allowing their emotions to lead to such childish on field behavior as what Barrett did this past Saturday.  It appears our catcher is to quote a term a "red ass", which by itself is not a bad thing, if channeled correctly while on the field. Hitting an opposing player is not the right way to channel your behavior.

Which leads me to my larger point - the angst I feel is borned from over 35 years of suffering.  I care not that it has no effect on any decision that the Cubs might or might not make.  The fact remains I have feelings that I need to process and this is how I choose to do it.  It is not personal, I wish harm on no one, but I do want to see a team built that plays the game the right way, that comes prepared day in and day out.

What we have witnessed during the current regime, is a team built to fail, not because the tribune or the mgmt chain does not care, but rather it is because the wrong folks were assembled to run the asylum.  

Just look at the minor league system - it is constantly stocked with guys who have tools instead of guys who have skills. The #1 organizational problem that has persisted since I have been a fan is that they do not sign and groom everyday players who know how to reach 1st base.  This is not some great mystery that one must go to the far reaches of the earth to discover.  It has been written about and populated all over the baseball landscape and yet we continue to build the nucleus around players who do not possess this very basic ability.

To me, it is troubling and indicative of a backward looking organization, one who refuses to embrace modern day tools which push this franchise forward.

They are behaving like a smakesmack industry in the information age.

by Jk1969 on May 23, 2006 10:14 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Another thing, Al,
which you may have been alluding to in the sentence of your excellent post that references "history being made": every time you go to the ballpark, you have the chance to see your team do something that amazes you.  So far this year, a lot of that has been negative, but there have been positive sources of amazement as well.  

I am amazed when I see Juan Pierre pick yet another rapidly dropping ball out of the air before it hits the grass as he flies horizontally across Center Field.  I am amazed when I see the rookie Sean Marshall sniff at throwing a no-hitter.  I am amazed when I see a player in spring training looking wistfully at the crowd and his teammates, soaking it all in on what he will announce tomorrow was the last day of his career.  These are just examples of what has amazed me in this still-young season.

There is no end to the amazing things we will see at Wrigley this year, even if the team's record isn't a winning one.  That isn't to say the record won't be a source of pain for those of us who love the Cubs or that we applaud what is increasingly beginning to look like very poor judgment on the part of Jim Hendry to send away the Nolascos and the Koronkas and the Garciaparras and others.  But it is to say that baseball, like life, is not black and white and that we can find pleasure in the small moments even if the big picture is very dark right now.

by dfrancon on May 23, 2006 10:15 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I had never seen...
...a successful suicide squeeze in person. This year I have seen the Cubs pull it off twice! One of them against the Cardinals! If nothing else, I'll always remember how excited I felt at the time.

by JD on May 23, 2006 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's a good point, JD!
The Cubs' sweep of the Cardinals was another pleasure this season brought, one that I was able to witness in person on Sunday.

by dfrancon on May 23, 2006 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Some of what you write about Al calls upon
elements that liken themselves to nationalism, patriotism, civic pride and the like.

I suppose I continue to be a Cubs fan because it reminds me of my childhood, good memories in the city, its people, food, architecture, music, etc...

I live 90 miles from a good team (the Braves) and as a pure baseball fan, I attend not only the Cubs series there, but will pick up the redbirds and a few other that intrigue me. Until this year, we've also tried to make it up to Wrigley for at least one series, if not two (the best by far being the '03 9/2-9/4 series v. the Cardinals - what a series!).

Like I've said in posts before, winning teams are easier to cheer for and enjoy - but for some reason you stick with your team even through the bad seasons. Granted there have been too many for my liking with my Cubs, but I can't choose where I'm from anymore than I can choose my ethnicity.

I suppose if I actually lived in ATL, I would likely get season tickets they could become my team of record, but there would still be that connection to the city of my roots. I'm not sure that connection will get passed onto my kids or not. They're still quite young now, and they see a great deal more AA ball than anything else (God help us if they become Reds fans). But I would hope that I can continue to introduce them to the people and culture of Chicago, and that through those times they'd at least have a spot in the hearts for our dear Cubbies.

The scroll bar on the right shrinking, so I suppose I should wrap up this winded emotive post by saying this: cheering for teams is fundamentally emotional. If we were rational creatures we'd make decisions about what tickets to buy, jerseys to wear based upon some financial model - looking to get a net return on our sporting investment. But we're a foolish lot, so we care, we rant, stomp, scream, cheer, drink margaritas to console and buy rounds to celebrate. It's an event, an ongoing festival of competition, and for some reason I love it.

Baseball, it is said, is only a game. True. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole in Arizona. Not all holes, or games, are created equal. - George Will

by stelmodad on May 23, 2006 10:30 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Nice.
--Tim http://fridayafternoonintheuniverse.blogspot.com

by elscorcho0682 on May 23, 2006 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seasons like this...
...make me think about how Grandma used to swear out loud while she was reading Mike Royko's column. I saved this sound clip from a 1979 NPR interview with Mike that was aired after the Cubs 2003 season ended. I thought it was appropriate to share since Mike basically says why he was a Cubs fan and why he thinks so many others are.

When winning isn't everything, maybe losing is?

http://www.psych.ndsu.nodak.edu/hilmert/Royko1979.mp3

by keepscore on May 23, 2006 10:58 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

wow, Mike Royko...
haven't thought of him in years...
Baseball, it is said, is only a game. True. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole in Arizona. Not all holes, or games, are created equal. - George Will

by stelmodad on May 23, 2006 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good post
Al, thanks for being a fan of the Cubs and baseball. I don't like what's happening but I still listen to Pat and Ron and catch games when I can on TV. Diehard has to mean something doesn't it??

by mrcubsfan on May 23, 2006 10:58 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

WAKE UP CUB FANS
The Cubs are on a 98 year and counting losing streak, and all I read on this blog is pathetic excuse making and defense for Cub fans?  Newsflash ladies and gentlemen!!!  There is nothing noble about the Luvable Loser tag that is attached to this franchise.  The Cubs remain a national laughinstock.  

The worst thing to ever happen to the Cubs is Wrigley Field.  Why on earth do I say that?!?  Because it has become a frickin national shrine that millions upon millions of people worship (most for unknown reason...but people like to be lemmings you know) and feel the need to make pilgrimmage to.  I've been to two games at Wrigley so far in 2006 and many over the last decade.  Unfortunately, Wrigley has become little more than a glorified shopping mall attraction for professionals with deep pockets to hang out at, and oh by the way watch the Cubs play baseball.  2/3's of the fans who show up at Wrigley anymore know (or care) squat about Cub baseball.  If the Cubs lose the game, they shrug their shoulders for 13 seconds, close their flip phone, and mosey over to Clark Street to continue with their merriment.  Believe me, the Tribune Company KNOWS this.  My goodness, the team hasn't won in 98 years, is genuinely awful and they can still have a long waiting line for folks willing to fork over $65 for a bleacher seat.  

Nothing is going to change until Cub ownership changes.  Nothing.    

by Mike63 on May 23, 2006 11:12 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

"National laughingstock"?
The Cubs have the best fans in baseball and play in the best park.  Your description of 2/3rds of the fans is simply not accurate.  If you don't like the scene, don't visit.  

Speaking of that, "two games" this year?  I've been to many more Cubs games than that, and I live in Dallas!  You are a fair weather fan, if a fan at all.

We will will a World Series one day and when we do, the victory will be that much sweeter.

by dfrancon on May 23, 2006 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rebuttal
I've been to two games at Wrigley so far in 2006.  Over the last decade, I have been to at least 200 games.  Over the last 29 years, I've been to countless more.  Don't you dare question my loyalty to the Cubs.  If you and others chose to rationalize the continued ineptitude of this organization while our status as Luvable Losers remains firmly entrenched, then by all means nobody is stopping you.  But I for one am sick and tired.  And I for one am deeply distressed by the devolving nature of the fan base at Wrigley.  An increasing share of Wrigley attendees are in it for the experience of Wrigley.  They are nonplussed should the Cubs win or lose.  

by Mike63 on May 23, 2006 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

my yankees experience
Last year I went to the last game of the series at Yankee Stadium

I chatted to the guy next to me a little and when he asked if I knew that the Cubs had never won there before I said "yes, but I'm a Cubs fan, I hope they win, but don't necessairly expect them to"  his teenage son looked at me like I was crazy and said "we're yankee fans, we always expect them to win"

the thing is I love baseball, so I'll watch a game just to watch a game. yes I want the Cubs to win, but at the end of the day its my entertainment, my escape, and so it is about the experience not always the outcome

so if sitting in the stands having a beer with friends and a scorecard and bag of peanuts makes me less of a fan than I'm guilty, but of the countless games i've gone to i don't remember every score, but i do remember the feeling

or maybe its just the sentimental girl in me

"In this life there are nothing but possibilities."

by flyball on May 23, 2006 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Okay, Mike.
I agree that it is distressing to encounter the beer-swilling idiots at Wrigley.  I have even written about them on my own blog, writing that the good thing about them is that they leave by the 4th inning for the Cubby Bear, with plenty of elbow room for the true fans they leave behind.

But what do they have to do with your decision to continue being a Cubs fan?  If you don't like them, you can (a) watch the games from home, which you apparently are already doing; or (b) ask that the unruly ones be kicked out of Wrigley.  It just seems to me that if you are using these fans as an excuse for waning enthusiam for the Cubs, it's a poor excuse.  But perhaps I misunderstood what you meant.

by dfrancon on May 23, 2006 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thank you
for defining what a fan is and weeding out those that do not fit your description. If you have a few minutes perhaps you can educate all of us as to what being an American consists of.
Players win awards but teams win championships.

by tharr on May 23, 2006 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry.
I reacted emotionally to Mike because it distresses me to see people who like baseball and claim they like the Cubs use the freaky fans as an excuse to not like the team anymore.  I spoke more broadly than I should have.

by dfrancon on May 23, 2006 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

New ownership
So what happens if the new owners decide to keep the team in Wrigley Field?  And what's the alternative?  Sharing the Cell with the White Sox?

by gauchodirk on May 23, 2006 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

New owner
A new owner brings hope.  A new owner, hopefully, won't tolerate ineptitude or continued perpetuation of the Luvable Loser syndrome.  A new owner, hopefully, would bring a completely new orgnaizational philosophy to the table (a new approach to player selection and instruction in the minors, a new approach to player acquisition at the big league level).  A new owner, hopefully, would see to it that Wrigley (a truly great ballpark) would be returned to the diehard Cub fans around the globe instead of remaining little more than a cool shopping mall type experience for folks with deep pockets who otherwise care minimal about baseball.  A new owner, hopefully, will not tolerate losing and will build this thing right from the ground up.  

by Mike63 on May 23, 2006 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with many of your points here
But your original contention was that the Cubs' only chance for contention was to get rid of Wrigley Field and play somewhere else.  So do these new owners keep Wrigley, or do they build a new ballpark?  And why can't the ideas you just suggested be implemented while keeping Wrigley?

by gauchodirk on May 23, 2006 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

um
I believe there is a name calling ban in effect

I've been a fan of teams the were considered a laughing stock before, ones that were disconted, told they would fail all that fun stuff

and then they won.

so just because I don't choose to change my allegience every season to cheer on the flavor of the year don't ridicule me, i'm not doing it to be noble, its just the way it is

"In this life there are nothing but possibilities."

by flyball on May 23, 2006 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

this is why the trib has no worries
they know they can put anything they want on the field, and we lemmings will come. i purchased my 42 tickets as soon as i could.
i will not be buying the same amount of tickets next year.
i will make it a point to only go to half of the games next year, just to reduce the amount of money i give to the trib.
i'm sick of losing, i'm sick of the excuses that dummy gives us after every loss.
i encourage all of us that still has ticket for this year, TO GO TO THE GAMES!!!! and when your at the game, if they play like sh*t, boo the hell out of them, EVERY TIME, EVERY PLAY! if the play sucks, BOO THEM!
fans that will just sit on their hands and continue to give this horrible team a love fest, does nothing but encourage ownership to continue to field a poor product.
so in closing, go to wrigley, have fun, and make sure you let these losers know just how you feel.
and for those of you that dont care about winning, that will love it just because your in wrigley and your a self-called die hard. sit on your hands, smile and love these losers and cheer your heart out when the cubs finally get the 3rd out in an inning, after the pitcher has given up 3 or 4 runs and the cubs are losing by a dump truck load. that will make it better i'm sure.
wheatfield mike down here in god's country

by wheatfield mike on May 23, 2006 11:22 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Quit picking on me Al
"You'll accomplish exactly the same thing if you go down to 435 N. Michigan Avenue in Chicago and beat your head against the stone walls of Tribune Tower. And when you're done with that, all you'll have is a massive headache, and the building will still be there."
 I have only done this once and I did not think anybody saw me!!!!!!!

by jimhickman on May 23, 2006 11:34 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Were you there
the same day I was?? I had the section with the Great Wall of China rock staked out. No one is allowed to bang their head on that spot except me.
--Tim http://fridayafternoonintheuniverse.blogspot.com

by elscorcho0682 on May 23, 2006 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

great post Al
How to you write so well first thing in the morning?  And by the way, with Mardi Gras downsized, BLB is now the greatest free show on earth. .....not quite awake yet here Mike, but you make some great points about the Wrigley audience circa 2006.

by Cajuncub on May 23, 2006 11:35 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I just read the entry...
and I agree.  As someone who saw his first Cubs game in 1967, and bought his season tickets in the winter of 83/84 (after the Sox won their division and with no real hope showing that the Cubs would win theirs) I have to say there are a lot of things I enjoy about going to the ballgames.  Yes, I LOVE it when they win, but I have learned over all these years that doesn't come very often.  Maybe thats why I relish 84, 89, 98 and of course 2003 so much.  I also relish the things I have seen at the park.  While I have never seen a no hitter, I saw 2 come close, Chuck Rainey & Frank Castillo.  I saw Madlock win the batting title on the last day of the season.  I saw a Hall of Famer come up raw, start at third, move to second, and dominate the position.  I saw Jody Davis become a cult hero, I saw the Hawk being sallamed after hitting home runs in the season he hit 49.  I saw my daughter go to a game and get excited when the Cubs won.  Baseball is special, Cubs baseball is even more so.  2006 might be over as far as winning the division (but I always say, as long as we are not officially eliminated, anything can happen), but there are many many thrills left in this season.

Kasey

by kaseyi on May 23, 2006 11:36 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I dont give up
Until the Cubs are mathematically done.... PATCH IT UP CUBBIES!!!  I LOVE YOU...

Great post Al... Your the man...

by BillHoldenFan on May 23, 2006 11:44 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Maybe I'm just stupid...
I don't know. I root for the Cubbies, I'll always root for the Cubbies. Despite, bad playing, bad management, bad fans. Do I love them as much when they lose? No. Do I like it when they lose? No. Do they still provide me with moments of happiness from April until October? Yes. My life is filled with heartbreaks and happiness, sometimes one more than the other. Sometimes I can do things to make my life better and sometimes things happen that I can't control that make my life worse. While sometimes I believe that being a Cubs fan is a choice, it's the bad times that make me realize that it is not. So I will curse and mope during these horrible times, but I tell you what, the day when my beloved Cubbies when a World Series, will be one of the greatest days of my life.

by BadGuy on May 23, 2006 12:04 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

WELL PUT and DITTO
As difficult as it is for some to understand, it's not a matter of 'wise up and stop being such a loyal fan.'  My life and this team, this community, are too intertwined for a divorce.

by Richie Hebner 18 on May 23, 2006 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks and..
You can't take away the Cubs if you Bleed Cubbie Blue. It would be suicide.

by BadGuy on May 23, 2006 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

crazy
you know. i think im crazy some times. ive always been a cubs fan my whole life basicly because my father is a cubs fan. i grew up in florida and i now  live in california. iv never been to wrigley field, ive never been to a cubs game. ive never even been to ANY MAJOR LEAGE GAME!! and i still love the cubs and have followed ever game this year, and even though i dont think this season is salvagable at all , i will continue to follow them all year. because thats what cubs fans do. and to anyone out there that is thinking about burning season tickets! you are crazy! im lucky if i ever get to see and actual game on tv being out here in california and all. the only way i get to watch the games in on espns gamecast thing and reading these posts. so dont be stupid and burn your tickets. and keep watching and be proud that your a cubs fan. by far the coolest teams in all of professional sports.

p.s. im also a die hard orlando magic fan, if that says anything about my taste in professional teams...

lets get some runs

by lykkiey on May 23, 2006 12:24 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Al I could not have put it better myself
I'm writing this struggling to keep the tears out of my eyes. Because I know that the Cubs are now out of the running in May. Which kills me because I want so badly for them to win, not just for me, but for Ronny and Pat Hughes and all the Cubs fans that have been watching for years.

Why are we drawn the Cubs like we are? Because Wrigley is such a magical place and not because of the brick and mortar but because the fans make it such a great place.

I don't know about all of you, but I'm tired of whining and complaining and just plain NOT HAVING FUN while watching Cubs games. I'm tired of the bickering, that's not why I got into baseball. I love the Cubbies, and will do no matter how far they fall in the standings. Because when we do win, it'll be that much sweeter for the pain.

To all those would would boycott the Cubs, go ahead. It will just mean more seats available for the cubs fans that make this fanbase one of the best in baseball.

by FukudomeAtLarge on May 23, 2006 12:28 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

CUB FANS ARE LIKE FAT PEOPLE.....

 they know they should eat less in order to be thin but they don't want to, so they make up excuses like "it's just my genes" or "everyone going to die of something"...

 Cub fans know that NOT going to the games will force ownership to take notice and that IS what they should do but it hurts them too much to do it so they come up with excuses like "I'm only punishing myself /kid etc. " or " someone else will go in my place" .....blah blah blah ....wrong wrong wrong

by 1969cubs on May 23, 2006 12:35 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Cub fans are like fat people
and some actually ARE fat people.
Nothing's worse than a lousy baseball season except an amateur psychologist.

by upnorthcubfan on May 24, 2006 12:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Al
As you well know I respect all your hard work in maintaining this blog. And your insights and feelings are those of someone who has had a long love affair with the Cubs.

However, I really have to take exception to a number of things said in today's post.

First of it seemed to me that many of the comments were paternalistic. I've been a Cub fan for at least as many years as you. I moved to Milwaukee and saw the Braves win with Aaron and Spahn. Now I'm in Houston. At no time did I ever consider abandoning the team. Like you. I'm still waiting for the big one. I remember when the Trib bought the team and was ecstatic. When I moved from one place to another the first thing that dictated if the place was acceptable was if they had cable availability and that WGN was on their system. Win or lose I wear my jerseys and root for the Cubs.

But honestly, I resent being told when the season is over and what will and won't work to change attitudes. Tell me what you think or what you believe but don't tell me that what I believe to be trueis foolish or nonsense.

As to what will energize the organization, let's remember that we're dealing with a corporation. So you or me or anyone else don't really know to a certainty what will work. A private owner will tend to ignore forms of protest that a business will respond to.

Finally, I have never called anyone a name when there has been a disagreement. I talk about ideas and often may disagree with others but I always try to keep the agree to disagree attitude. Most others in here are the same way. But let's remember that everyone has a right to their own opinion. And the fact that someone may feel it's over for  the season is no reason to call them less of a fan.

We all want improvement but obviously the means of achieving them have not been determined. My way or your way may not work but I refuse to accept that collectively we can't motivate the Tribune no matter what we do. That's like saying the Cubs will always be loveable losers.

Players win awards but teams win championships.

by tharr on May 23, 2006 12:46 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

You and I ...
... have known each other for quite some time, through the newsgroup, and you've bought tickets from me in the past, and I respect you.

I wasn't trying to dictate to you -- what I write here is my opinion, and you are free to disagree with it, and you have, and you've always been a responsible poster here.

I could say the same thing, not about you, but about certain other people who have slammed me for trying to maintain a positive attitude during very trying times, and for NOT being condescending and snarky.

That's just not me. I'm not saying anyone is "less of a fan" if they think it's over, or has been over for a while.

Just don't tar me with the same brush -- and one more thing, I am NOT saying YOU do that.

by Al on May 23, 2006 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess the check didn't bounce.
Yeah, we go back. And we go back further with the Cubs. But these are bad days for our beloved team. And here's the truth. Many of the problems were avoidable. Yet we know that the owners are itching to extend Baker just as they did Hendry. Now I happen to feel both of them don't deserve to come back. And that's from someone who rejoiced when they were given the jobs.

By bringing them back we are most likely going to have problems with their decisions in the future. Does that make sense?

So I among others suggested some sort of action ot pressure be put on the Trib. Frankly, I was amazed at the response. This won't work or that won't work. You can't fight the establishment. Stop being so negative. Don't embarass yourself.

Well, I suggest that Cub fans don't sell themselves short. Collectively they can exert immense pressure on the Tribune. Now maybe it's embarassing to some to not take the easy way. Maybe they'd rather wait for Santa Claus to make things better. But I'd much rather that the unhappy fans be proactive. But that's their choice. Just don't tell me that nothing can be done.

Players win awards but teams win championships.

by tharr on May 23, 2006 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pitching, Pitching, Pitching
As long as I can remember the Cubs have never had back to back years of great starting pitching.  It's not like you can sign free agent pitchers like Maddox or Schilling every year, so most pitchers come up from the farm system.  Developing starting pitching is an art form that is totally lost on the Cubs upper management/coaches and it has been for a long time.  Does great starting pitching have anything to do with Wrigley Field, the sold out games, goats or curses?  No!  For the Cubs to make a clean turn around, they have to change the way they develope pitchers, keeping the great ones (maddox) and trade away the one year wonders (Bielecki, Tapini, Prior?) and keep the pipeline of starting pitching coming up.  Easier said than done, but somehow the great orginizations/teams figure this out.  Most great pitchers are not picked right off the tree, they are nourished and brought along over time, with most never really panning out.

Also, all the great teams from the 1930's to current have a lot in common, which are typically a great catcher, a solid shortstop and an endless supply of quality pitching.  This is exact formula Dodgers followed from the late 1940's until the day Fox bought the team in the late 1990's.  

Triva time:  Name the last two gold glove winners at shortstop and catcher for the Cubs?

Answer:  Shortstop Don Kessinger 1970 also won in 1969.

Catcher:  Jody Davis 1986.

by Rocket88 on May 23, 2006 1:13 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

salparadise23
Best.

Simpsons.

Ever.

by Sidd Finch on May 23, 2006 1:41 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Attendance is the problem?
Seen it a couple of times now - the idea that Wrigley's strong fan attendance provides so much money, TRB is able to sit back and make money hand over fist, without worrying about improving the team.

Does anyone have data to support that?

My gut - because I don't have the data; if I did I would answer my own question - tells me that pro sports count on TV-related revenues far more gate attendance to make the real money.  The same source tells me a media conglomerate like TRB is going to be particularly guilty of leveraging its baseball team to milk ad revenues.  My only data is the nearly-intolerable level of ads I feel inundated by when watching a broadcast.  Whether its missing the first pitch (or more) of an inning, or hearing Kasper do some on-air promo, sometimes I feel like I see more ads than baseball during a telecast.  You know the ad board behind home plate was put in just for the TV audience.

Seems to me, talk of boycotts should focus on boycotting the TV broadcasts, not game attendance.

But again, if someone has the data, I'd love to see it.

by JCM on May 23, 2006 1:46 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Al, thank you.
Thank you for saying what needed to be said.

Even dark times like these do not tarnish gold of fonder memories. Nor do they define (or divine) all future ones.

by Mowgli on May 23, 2006 1:50 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The Crisis
Apologies to Thomas Paine:

These are the times that try men's souls. The summer fan and the sunshine stathead will, in this crisis, shrink from 1060 West Addison; but he that stands it now, deserves the love and thanks of Dusty Baker. The NL Central, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph.

--Tim http://fridayafternoonintheuniverse.blogspot.com

by elscorcho0682 on May 23, 2006 1:56 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Appreciate it, Al
Since there are others elsewhere who don't have the same idea of decency, that you express. Thanks.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on May 23, 2006 2:31 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Like a Battered Wife
Being a Cubs fan should not mean being an apologist for horrible play. Just because someone demands a winning attitude from their team does not mean that we are any less of a fan then those who believe losing makes a better fan. We don't need to be told to remember our love for the game. It is our love of the game that that causes the daily distress from watching our favorite team waste away yet another season(almost 100 if you are counting). It is like a battered wife who keeps thinking that her husband will change. How many seasons of the same old story can one take before standing up and saying enough is enough. Call it tough love or whatever you want but Cubs management needs to sent a strong and overwhelming message that we as fans demand a winner, be it e-mails or signs in Wrigley that we are fed up. Winning isn't everthing but it needs to be a priority.

by InNeedOfaTourniquet on May 23, 2006 2:36 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

More Bad News....

Tony Womack had 3 hits for Iowa last night.  Anyone want to guess when he's going to be brought up?

by salparadise23 on May 23, 2006 3:00 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

We found a time capsule from 1926 when we built
an addition and found a bunch of artifacts from that time. So we decided to make our own time capsule and put it in the addition. I was pretty sure I would not still be alive in 2086 when they found this new time capsule -- I put in my kid's names in the capsule so that they could be notified when the capsule was opened.

Same with the Cubs. I am pretty sure I will be long gone before they win a World Series, but maybe one of my kids will live long enough to see it.

by aisle209 on May 23, 2006 3:11 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

$95 million vs. $15 million
For their $95 million investment the Cubs have a roster that includes Neifi Perez, Jerry Hairston, Todd Walker, John Mabry, Freddie Bynum, Henry Blanco and Glendon Rusch.  Think about this for a moment.  Jim Hendry has $95 million to work with and THIS is our roster?!?!  We have the worst offense in baseball, zero bench and one of the shakiest starting pitching situations around.  And people keep insisting that the Florida Marlines with their $15 million payroll are a Triple A team.  Funny, but I think we are the Triple A team, albeit a ridiculousy expensive one.  

What on God's green earth would Hendry have produced if he had to deal with the finanicial constraints of other teams?!?!  I shudder to think.  

Time to put the booze bottle down Jim and check into rehab.  When you clean up your act (and I sincerely wish you godspeed in doing so), then throw away your old formula for winning baseball and start anew.  

by Mike63 on May 23, 2006 3:12 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Bronx Bum$
Headline from last year's NY Post after the Angels $95M roster beat the Yankees $206M team in AL Division play.

Point is, player payroll is no indicator of team performance on the field for a playoff series, let alone one game.  

We took 2 out of 3 back at Wrigley from this group and there is absolutely no reason we can't do it again here.

by JFCubFan on May 23, 2006 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey, c'mon

You know we need that extra $80 million for the Kubbie Koolaid.  :)

by salparadise23 on May 23, 2006 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He'd do better
He'd have no choice but to play the AAA team that was supposed to be chock-full of pitching. Then maybe they'd win!

by CubFaninNY on May 23, 2006 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hendry's biggest problem...
...as many have mentioned here isn't payroll - it's the way he spends the money.

--No Market for Neifi?  Let's give him two years!
--Glendon Rusch?  Let's bank on him as a starter!
--Jacques Jones would sell his soul to have a contract from anybody but Kansas City?  Let's give him three years and more money than they offered!
--Kerry Wood?  Hell, what's another several million when we know he's injury prone?!
--Free Agents?  Bah.  Overrated!  

Hendry's biggest mistakes have all revolved around his inability to make decisions with his head instead of his hopes/heart.  That's why Dusty will stick around; that's why a worthless player like Neifi gets two years for a good early 2005; that's why Corey Patterson is given 35 years to fail, and then traded for nothing when his value has completely depleted.

Make the hard trades, doggone it! Sometimes you have to part with the guy who you see every day and have a good relationship with.  

Sign the Free Agents, for crying out loud!  Every once in a while, it IS worth writing a big check for a high-impact addition to the team.

Finally, stop letting your hopes that a player will turn it around eventually, or that a player still has a couple of good years left, run your business decisions.  And stop overvaluing farm prospects, especially when the potential gain via trade is a good, established player.

If winning was Hendry's philosophy, the team would win.  As it stands now, loyalty to everybody who is already in Cubs blue is his philospohy, and it's killing any chance of fielding a winner.  Managers can be loyal, but GMs need to make the tough decisions.  Hendry doesn't make tough decisions, he does everything he can to avoid having to make any tough decisions at all.  No risks on big-time free agents, keep resigning everyone who's already here, and approach every offseason and trade deadline with the idea that the team is just a minor tweak or two away from winning it all.

Until Hendry is willing to upset the guys in the locker room in order to get better, we'll have more of the same every year.

"Bite my shiny metal ass!" -- Bender Bending Rodriguez

by The Jade Scorpion on May 23, 2006 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hendry
Hendry is ridiculously stubborn when it comes to "his players."  White Sox GM Kenny Williams has never been bashful about making a bold move.  Sometimes the moves work, sometimes they don't.  But Williams never stops trying.  And he is man enough to admit mistakes and tries to make amends (e.g., the trade for Todd Ritchie was a disaster, so Williams moved on to Bartolo Colon and then Freddy Garcia).  Hendry on the other hand never admits mistakes.  Point in fact, Hendry gave Corey Patterson over 1,700 AT BATS of trial period before admitting the guy is a pile of crap for crying out loud!  

Dusty may be a problem, but Hendry is 10 times the problem.  And on a related note, when does Hendry finally get the criticism he deserves for the continued dismal state of the Cub player development and minor league system?  What happened to the dozen or so "can't miss" prospects of two or three years ago Jim?    

by Mike63 on May 23, 2006 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well...
I hope this is the worst season I will ever see in my life.  

Wrigley Field is not the problem.  I mean the road attendance is good too, and unless there's lots of mini-Wrigleys, people go see the Cubs everywhere.  The Cubs are popular.  I don't care that much about Wrigley.  I just want to win.  Winning is so much fun.

Cubbie Blue will always sPaRkLe in my eyes, but please stop losing. PLEASE!

by sparkles721 on May 23, 2006 4:02 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

No protest?
 Al, do you also think it's a waste of time for people to vote?

 Publicly expressing one's dissatisfaction with injustice is a duty.

 For those that are sick of being lied to, do what I do: don't go to the games. Trust me, no matter what Al says, it hurts the Tribune hard. They see around a million dollars a day in concessions alone, so believe me, it's hurts them when you vote with your wallet.

 And Al, you should be ashamed of yourself for suggesting that if people didn't go, payroll would go down and the Cubs would turn into the Royals. Real nice scare tactics. Let me explain something to you: this is one of only 3 major markets in the country. If the Cubs got any worse than they are now, it would make the current sh**storm look like a day at Disneyland.

 Public outcry and shaming gets results. It starts by affecting conventional wisdom and continues to grow from there.

by Matt Allison on May 23, 2006 4:12 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

This is EXACTLY correct
just wish I articulated it first :)

by Santos Sorrow on May 23, 2006 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Plan
Say the Tribune Company sells the Cubs to me for $500 million tommorow.  The following is the plan I implement effective the next day.
  1.  Fire Andy McFail
  2.  Hire a sage baseball veteran to be my "special assistant" and trusted advisor (e.g., a Dallas Green type)
  3.  Spend the next month completely dissecting what is right and what is wrong with the baseball operation.
  4.  Instruct Jim Hendry and Oneri Fleita to take the best college position player available with the Cubs' first pick in the June amateur draft.  Beyond that, let them do their thing.
  5.  Fire Jim Hendry, Dusty Baker, Oneri Fleita, Larry Rothschild and Gene Clines at the All-Star break and make my "special assistant" interim GM for the remainder of the year.
  6.  Hire a veteran interim Manager for the rest of the season.  Dick Pole is promoted to interim pitching coach and a new interim hitting coach is brought in.  
  7.  Try like hell to move Aramis Ramirez, Kerry Wood and Scott Williamson (plus any and all of the crappy spare parts on this team) prior to the July 31st trade deadline.  Only seek top shelf prospects in return for these three (I'll take a used infield rake for any of the rest)
  8.  Call up Felix Pie on September 1st and make him the everyday centerfielder for a month.
**Season ends*
  1.  Hire a new GM from a pool that includes Terry Collins, Dan Evans, Gerry Hunsicker, the assistant GM of the Atlanta Braves (I forget his name), and the assistant GM of the Milwaukee Brewers.   The interim GM moves back into the role of special assistant and has a dotted line to both the new GM and me as team President and owner.  He serves as trusted advisor and mentor to both of us.
  2.  Hire either Mike Maddux, current pitching coach of the Milwaukee Brewers or Bud Black, current pitching coach of the Anaheim Angels,to be new Cub manager.  
  3.  If he isn't gone already, say goodbye to Kerry Wood.
  4.  If not gone already, say goodbye to Juan Pierre, John Mabry, Neifi Perez, Freddie Bynum, Jerry Hairston, Todd Walker and Henry Blanco.
  5.  If not gone already, move Aramis Ramirez to the highest bidder.  
  6.  Move Ryan Dempster to the highest bidder.  
*View the 2007 as the beginning of a new era in Chicago Cub baseball.  The season will be a rebuilding year with the promise of major payroll flexibility in the future*

Projected 2007 rotation....Carlos Zambrano, Greg Maddux (re-sign at all costs), Mark Prior, Wade Miller and Sean Marshall (or Angel Guzman, or the next best thing from within the minor league system)

LF...Matt Murton
CF...Felix Pie (to bat only #6 or #7 in the lineup....NEVER to be used at the top of the order)
RF...Somebody new

Jacque Jones has near-starter status playing in LF, CF and RF

3rd...hotshot young talent acquired, possibly to be someone acquired in the move to dump Ramirez
SS...Cedeno
2nd...Somebody new (doesn't have to be fancy...we are rebuilding remember)
1st...Derrek Lee

Cat...Michael Barrett

     

by Mike63 on May 23, 2006 4:29 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Al,
Before I begin, these comments are not intended to be disrespectful or argumentative.  What I hope, is that you will clear up questions that I have.

First, do you have any type of business relationship with the Cubs/ Tribco. I know you work for ABC 7, but I believe I have also seen your musings in Vine Line.  If you do have a "business" relationship with any of the above mentioned entities, do you think it a conflict of interest?

Second, while I appreciate your optimism, I am confused by your stance on all things baseball.  I can only imagine how many games you have attended during your life.  For someone to devote a large portion of their life to the Cubs, as you have, you would also have to love baseball equally.  That being said, many of your arguments surrounding the building of the roster, the management of the roster and team,  and the direction of the team are the polar opposite of what a baseball fan would desire.  One, two, hell ten bad years can be explained.  The current ownership group has made the playoffs 4 times (I believe) and is under .500 overall.  As a fan of baseball (and lover of the Cubs) there is no excuse for that.

That is why I am so perplexed by your stance.  First, I do not think a boycott could work.  Too many fringe fans attend the games.  Wrigley has become the experience, not the game.  However, protests which shame the team, Tribco and advertisers can be successful.  The Cubs are a business.  They crave positive PR.  What could be worse than the fans uniting and saying enough?  IMHO, this type of activity has the chance to be effective because what has happened on the Southside.  We are competing for print space, news slots and talk time on the radio.  This is our chance.  I do not understand why you are against this.

I too love baseball.  I also love the Cubs.  It is my belief that many here take this very seriously.  I believe we both fall into that category.  Even though I completely disagree with your post in regards to your path forward, we should be able to agree to disagree.  After reading some of my previous posts, I am guilty of being over the top in my arguments. For that, I apologize to anyone that I may have offended.  
 

by timeforachange on May 23, 2006 4:59 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

About Vine Line...
... yes, I have been paid for an article that appeared there. There will be others in the future.

That said, no one from the Cubs, or Tribco, told me what I could or could not write in that article, or any future articles, nor would I accept any such dictates. I don't see that as a conflict. If I want to criticize management or Tribune Co., I will do so.

Yes, there are problems with this team. I can see them as clearly as you and others can, just as I wrote. I choose the constructive criticism route, trying to be a "voice of reason", as it were, rather than being shrill, condescending, and/or snarky. That's just not me.

A protest, which is planned by another blog, is going to get some PR, all right. What it's probably going to do is be embarrassing to the people who are putting it on, and Trib execs will laugh it off. Is that the way it should be? Maybe not, but that's how it's going to look.

We can constructively criticize here -- look one post above yours for someone who's thought out a sequence of moves he would make if he owned the Cubs today. Not all of those are realistic, and I wouldn't necessarily do all of them -- but at least they've been given some thought.

That's what I want to do here -- not put a bag on my head, or boycott baseball, because those things are pointless, in my opinion.

Your opinion may be different, and I respect that. What I don't respect is someone telling me that I'm not entitled to my opinion -- and that has happened, as you well know.

by Al on May 23, 2006 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I appreciate.....
the answer.

The reason I asked about Vine Line is because of what is happening to Sully.  If you were to be overly critical, do you think that they would allow you to still contribute an article?

by timeforachange on May 23, 2006 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If I wanted to be critical...
... and they tried to stop me, I'd stop writing the articles.

by Al on May 23, 2006 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have no doubt
of your integrity. But I sometimes question your choice in baseball teams. :)
Players win awards but teams win championships.

by tharr on May 23, 2006 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

A quick correction
A protest, which is planned by another blog, is going to get some PR, all right.

1060west is in no way planning any such protest. There is a protest being planned by a Cub fan for Saturday, May 27. I simply ran the information he provided. The same information he has given to the Sports Radio stations in town.

Thanks

by ccd on May 24, 2006 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It most definetly will work!
Are you kidding?  I work for a multi-billion dollar comporation in management.  We track every single entity that is tied to money within our company.  Every corporation does this including our beloved Tribune.  For example, every ticket, every hot dog, every beer, etc etc has a dollar figure attached to it.  It's common sense.

Every single year the numbers come out and a new target is set.  That number is ALWAYS bigger.  Once it is apparent that the number cannot go up anymore, all hell breaks lose.  They cut the budget and we grind to a halt until things start heading the right direction.  The difference in our budget and the Cub's Tribune budget is that our budget is not a number that any of our customers care about whatsoever.  Once the Cub's revenue stream starts falling off, the Tribune WILL take extreme notice, but since their budget is a number that is tatooed in millions of fans minds, they can't make that number go down very much or the strangling will get worse.

They are making horrible decisions.  I don't care if they are just unlucky.  If I was as unlucky at my job, I would be fired and so would everybody else.  They HAVE to take their money and invest in people that know and care about baseball, not just money.  Or at least hire some guys with some balls to do what it takes to discipline this team.

It will work, Al.  They will have to listen eventually.  

I don't let it bother as much as others on this board, and I'm not going to spew hatred to the Cubs front office.  I've been a Cubs fan my entire life and that will never change.  But I just can't believe that if people don't buy a product (the cubs), the company won't listen.  They most certainly will listen, especially now that there is a much better product (the sox) just down the road.

by martyblue on May 23, 2006 7:01 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

But the point I've been trying to make is...
... it won't make them sell. All it will make them do is cut the player payroll. They seem to LIKE owning the Cubs; it's an ego thing, more than a profit center -- although the club IS a profit center.

by Al on May 23, 2006 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not
gonna happen. They'll change management before they cut payroll.
Players win awards but teams win championships.

by tharr on May 23, 2006 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, if that's your point...
I'm not really arguing with you there.  I don't want them to sell.  I really don't.  They have the cash to field a very good team.  What I want them to do is hire some people that are not only savvy businessmen, but also love the Cubs and know things like, for example, if you fill your team up with a bunch of guys coming off surgeries, you are going to have to expect injuries and not blame those injuries for your team's demise.

Just hire some guys that base their decisions on common sense and sound judgement other than gambling on every single move you make.  Gamblers almost always don't come out on top and when they do get lucky, it's for very short intervals.

And hire some coaches that will actually, you know, coach instead of relying on karma and fate to determine the success of their team.  I've seen more discipline on a high school baseball team than alot of the Cubs teams the past few years.

Things have changed alot in 100 years.  The Cubs have changed alot, except for the losing.  It's time for them to evolve.

by martyblue on May 23, 2006 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well.
This is so reasonable I can't argue with any of your points.

As I did say in the original post, Cub management put together a team that could win only if every single thing broke right.

That's a risky strategy, absolutely. And not only did that not happen, but pretty much everything that could go wrong, has.

You're right that they need a better strategy than this.

by Al on May 23, 2006 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No offense
but how are they going to get a better strategy if people don't speak up against the current one?

by Santos Sorrow on May 23, 2006 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The fact
 that you refer to it as a "strategy" shows how off the map you are.

by Matt Allison on May 24, 2006 2:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well Said
It's about the journey, not the destination.  I'd take a lifetime of Cubs frustration over two Marlins championships (yes, even including that one) anyday.  This is what the idiots who keep yelling "1908" simply have no conception of.

Anybody can jump on the bandwagon of a winning team - that's easy.  Earning it is where you show your stripes.

by 08Cubs on May 23, 2006 9:02 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

you can love the team
and hate the organization.

Just a couple of years ago things were looking up. The failure to build on that is unforgivable. Look at what the Mets did. Look at Toronto. The Sox.

Its the fans duty to let the organization know your not happy or your are telling them you don't care about the quality of the product. That's not the same as booing players until they are shell shocked.

Al you are right. People are going to pack Wrigley. But now that's become the real curse of the Cubs. The fact that no matter what happens on the field the organization wins.

by MattThorton on May 23, 2006 9:52 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

If you feel that winning...
...isn't everything. Then what is being contributed to the situation other than being an enabler to the losing?
cubsfan4life

by cubfan4life on May 23, 2006 10:04 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

New management
As a first time poster, I am glad to have such a good site to show my Cubs support.  I agree with the statements above that support the Tribune for spending money.  However, I think new owners are the only way to go.  McPhail, Hendry, and the rest will never strive for better because they don't feel their jobs are on the line.  Being in management myself, it is amazing to see the changes that some people make when it is made clear to them that they need to shape up or ship out.  The others get fired because their reactions to this adversity tell me everything I need to know about them.  It is sad that upper management accepts mediocrity- or less, but at this point I think the best thing to happen would be the Tribune's stock continuing to drop.  There are already sale rumors, and if they get to the point that they have to liquidate assets, then all of us loyal Cubs fans may finally get the leadership and dedication we deserve.  We can only hope.

by ryno on May 24, 2006 12:02 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Re
I think the place I'd like to start is by making some distinctions.  At the most general is a love of the game of baseball, whether it's played by an MLB team, a local minor league affiliate, or a neighborhood little league squad.  It's hard to imagine that anyone would spend time in this community without that common love for the game.

At the next level is a love of the franchise; for people here at BCB that franchise is the Cubs.  It's not specifically the Cubs of PK Wrigley or the Trib, or any future owner, but rather the whole collection that is the history of the franchise and its place within The Game.  By casting one's allegiance to a franchise, one immerses himself in its mythos and builds upon it in a direct and personal way that only time can provide.

Farther down comes specific ownernship and management, and since free agency, individual players whose tenures are typically short-lived.  While these actors in the drama come and go, The Franchise usually, and The Game always, remain.

These distinctions are important because it allows one to understand how one's love and passion for The Game and for The Franchise not only remain in spite of specific circumstances, but how they motivate one to demand the specifics change when The Franchise is beset with problems, especially when those problems are endemic to its management and players.

Therefore, I believe it's perfectly reasonable for one to love the game of baseball, love the Cubs as a franchise, and completely despise those who are currently managing it.  In fact, it's one's passion for the first two that drive the emotional response to the last.

Now, let's turn to the matter of what one can do about it.  Your post posits protesting doesn't work; however, you then go on to cite two examples of when it did.  I'd also point to the case of the Cleveland Browns, probably the first use of an Internet-based sports protest campaign.  The grass-roots efforts of what was started by a single fan eventually forced the NFL to guarantee Cleveland the next expansion franchise as well as retention of the Browns name, its colors, and its history.

My concern is that some might read your position as one of resignation and complacency; that individuals are helpless in the face of corporate power and therefore what they should do is resign themselves to accepting whatever product they are given.  Because you go on to state that you believe some decision-makers may read BCB and that well-reasonsed analysis may make a positive difference, I sense this isn't really your position.  But I hope you can see how some perceive it to be.

I, for one, believe that a core value of a successful life is to not accept something which is unacceptable.  What is unacceptable varies from person to person, and what one does to not accept it varies as well.  What's important isn't so much the particular and the response, but rather the personal committment to recognize and act.

You ask that others respect the methods by which you choose to enjoy The Game and The Franchise, and, indeed, your passion and its expression are extremely worthy of respect.  Anyone can back a winner, especially after its status has been decided.  And, to be sure, there have been attacks on your choices that have been intolerant and unjustified.

By the same token, I would suggest that each person also makes various choices regarding how he will express his displeasure and unacceptance of the current state of affairs, and, excepting violence such as the ball-throwing incident last week, these need to be respected as well.

Some may choose to write.  Some may choose to walk publically in mass.  Some may choose to boo.  Some may choose to simply hope, giving support to The Franchise and believing that this, too, shall pass.  And some may decide to end their financial support while remaining tied emotionally to the team they love.  In every case, what's important is that they recognize what's going on for what it really is and make a choice that's right for them.  And what's also important is that while any one of us may not make the same choices as another in how we express our unacceptance, we should respect its motivation - the love of The Game and The Franchise which we all share.

by Jed Taylor on May 24, 2006 2:08 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

A fine
presentation.
Players win awards but teams win championships.

by tharr on May 24, 2006 2:43 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow.
I had no idea you felt this way.  If we feel so similarly, why is it that we can't get along with one another?

I choose to ride it out and watch each game content in the fact that it's not winter, there's not a strike, and I am watching baseball played by the Cubs - whether that is poorly or otherwise.  

My course of action may not align with your own, but let's please try to respect each other and not instigate gratuitous arguments and act with a reckless abadonment of one another's feelings (we are both guilty parties of those transgressions).

Deal?

she

by Sarah Hope on May 24, 2006 7:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Remember this entry.
 It is a lot like Captain Smith's last wireless transmission.

by Matt Allison on May 24, 2006 4:02 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Great Post
From a Marlins fan down at Fishstripes, this was a great post.  

My perspective: I can only imagine how frustrating your team is this year, because I'm sure you came into it with high expectations.  We in Marlins world didn't have that problem.  Our big expectation was to not lose 100 games (well, that's not working out so well either).  

Some of us are still getting depressed about the team, though, so I will link to this story on our page.  At the same time, we don't have the problem with rudeness that it seems (based on your words) that this site has.  Albeit, we are a smaller site with less people, so less likely to be abrasive, but I think part of it is that we try to keep a sense of humor about it.  Maybe this advice doesn't apply here, but I know it's something we tried to do even last year with our highest payroll ever and marquee names.

Best of luck! (Except when you're playing the Fish).

And I truly hope Lee comes back soon and takes the League by storm.

Hey, at least your team isn't as bad as my team.

by fishfan24 on May 24, 2006 12:08 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for your good sportsmanship.
And go easy on our boys today!
she

by Sarah Hope on May 24, 2006 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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