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History is NOT on Dusty's side

There has been much discussion, speculation and outright calls for managerial change due to the dismal performance of the club during the month of May.  I myself wonder how many more losses the Cubs can endure before the front office acts and finally fires Dusty.  It is clear that unless things change this team is on track for a 90+ loss season.  I wondered, what happened to previous Cubs managers whose teams suffered 90 or more losses in a season?  Did they survive and come back to manage the following year? Were they fired and replaced?  How does Dusty compare?  

Thanks to baseball-reference.com and "The Chicago Cubs an Illustrated History" by Donald Honig,  I pieced together the following information in a spreadsheet summarized below. The final season W/L, percentage, and games managed and W/L, percentage are presented for those managers who did not finish the season (i.e., were fired).  It is interesting to compare the current teams record to those of previous teams at the time in the season when management finally decided they had enough.

Please excuse the formatting (or lack of).

                                        Season             Manager Stats
Year    Manager           W      L    Pct        Games   W     L     Pct

2002    Don Baylor     67      95  0.4136    83      34    49    0.4096
Fired and replaced by Rene Lachemann (1 game) & Bruce Kimm (78 games).

2000    Don Baylor       65     97  0.4012
Survived first year to manage 2001 team.

1999    Jim Riggleman    67     95  0.4136
Fired at end of season and replaced by Don Baylor for 2000 season.

1997    Jim Riggleman  68    94   0.4198
Managed 1998 team.

1986    Jim Frey       70    90   0.4375     56       23      33     0.4107
Fired on June 12, 1986 and replaced by John Vukovich (2 games) & Gene Michael (102 games).

1983    Lee Elia       71     91   0.4383    123    54       69     0.4390
Fired on August 22, 1983 and replaced by front office executive Charlie Fox (39 games).

1980   Preston Gomez    64    98    0.3951   90      39       51      0.4333
Fired on July 25, 1980 and replaced by Joey Amalfitano (72 games).

1974   Whitey Lockman   66    96    0.4074   93      41       52        0.4409
Became Cubs Director of Player Development and replaced by 3rd base coach Jim Marshall (69 games).

1966   Leo Durocher      59    103   0.3642
First year on the job and survived to manage until 1972 when he was replaced by Whitey Lockman.

1965   Bob Kennedy      72    90     0.4444   58      26        32     0.4483
Became Cubs VP and replaced by Lou Klein (106 games).

1962    El Tappe(20), Lou Klein(30), Charlie Metro (112)    59  103   0.3642
"College of Coaches"  Bob Kennedy became manager of the 1963 team after this experiment ended.

1961    Vedie Himsl, Harry Craft, El Tappe & Lou Klein    64  90    0.4156
The first year of rotating managers was a disaster.

1960   Charlie Grimm     60    94     0.3896    17     6             11      0.3529
Resigned due to health reasons and replaced by Lou Boudreau (139 games) who was a better broadcaster than manager - this was his only year as Cubs manager.

1957   Bob Scheffing      62    92     0.4026
Survived first year on the job and managed until 1959.

1956   Stan Hack            60    94      0.3896
Fired at end of season and replaced by Bob Scheffing from Cubs farm system for 1957 season.

1954   Stan Hack             64   90     0.4156
First year on the job and managed the Cubs for two more years.

1951   Frankie Frisch       62   92     0.4026   81     36      45            0.4444
Fired on July 21, 1951 and replaced by player/manager Phil Cavarretta (74 games).

1949   Charlie Grimm      61   93     0.3961   50     19      31         0.3800
Became Cubs VP and replaced by Frankie Frisch (104 games).

1948   Charlie Grimm      64   90     0.4156
Cubs manager 1944 - 1949.

2006   Dusty Baker    18  28     0.3913

Excluding the 1960-61 "College of Coaches" debacle, 11 managers were fired, either during the season or at the end for teams that suffered at least 90 losses.  Six other managers somehow survived to the next year.  Three of those managers (Hack, Scheffing & Durocher) were in the first year of their contract and management seemed to be more understanding in their cases.  Note that Dusty's current W/L pct is LOWER than EIGHT of the previous managers who were fired.  And of course, he is not in the first year of his contract.

This preliminary review did not look at all manager dismissals in Cubs history or examine if changing a manager during the season "turned" things around for the club.  The numbers here indicate that changing the manager during the season had little or a negative impact on the team performance.

I conclude that unless things change:

Dusty will be fired, it's only a question of when.

Changing managers during the season will not suddenly change things and actually might make them worse.  But is that a bad or good thing?
 

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consider the incidents after 1981, when the Tribune bought the team, to be really relevant.  I don't think the institutional memory of the Cubs goes back any farther than that--the Trib didn't exactly keep around any of the Wrigley family flunkies.

Of course, if one just looks after 1981, that doesn't change your conclusion one bit.  The only 90 loss season managers to survive that were ones in their first season.

I doubt that Tribune management would agree to give Dusty a long term contract extension with the current shape of the club.   The Trib isn't exactly known for having patience with non-performing employees--Michael Feldman's long-standing joke that WGN stands for "Who Goes Next?" comes to mind.

Even if Hendry wants to re-sign Dusty, I don't think the Tribune would approve a new contract unless the Cubs make a rapid turn around and a sprint to at least .500.  Especially when one considers how highly-paid Dusty is compared to most MLB managers.

by Josh77 on May 26, 2006 3:57 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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As much as I'd like to believe Baker's going to be held accountable for his share of this year's disaster, there's now a rumor floating around (and I don't remember where I read it, but it was recently) that Baker's already signed his extension and Hendry's just waiting for the "right" time (as if there could be such a thing) to announce it.

by Jed Taylor on May 26, 2006 6:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like your reference to institutional memory
but sometimes it can be a double edged sword. Institutional memory also carries with it some wisdom, seeing past mistakes or tendencies and considering that their may have been a better path.

As it concerns Dusty, we'd likely need only look to McPhail (just caught that the natural typing of his name is McFail) and Hendry's history and tendencies to gain any insight.

Good spreadsheet JFCubFan, I wonder what the trend in the MLB as a whole has been over the past ten years... Tempting statistics and numbers to look up. My (not so) inner baseball geek may want to look them up myself.

Go Cubbies! Pay Baseaball! - Liam, my 2 1/2 yr. old

by stelmodad on May 26, 2006 6:29 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Great post.
But kind of depressing to see all the years of futility and how the cubs have never really had a manager who has carried the torch for more than just a few seasons.  

Baker is done in this town but I don't completely fault him.  When you are given crap- no matter how you cook it it still tastes like shit in the end.  

by CA Cub Fan on May 26, 2006 7:43 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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