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Prior rehab start 5/29/06

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2 IP
4 HITS
3 RUNS
2 ER
0 BB
3 SO
1 HR

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Uhhhhh
that doesn't look so good.
"Aw, how could he lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico!"--Harry Caray

by cubbiejulie on May 29, 2006 8:21 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Definitely not.
I wonder what his velocity was.  That seems to be something that is always mentioned with Prior.
Cubbie Blue will always sPaRkLe in my eyes, but please stop losing. PLEASE!

by sparkles721 on May 29, 2006 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What is wrong with him?
I'm very concerned.
Cubbie Blue will always sPaRkLe in my eyes, but please stop losing. PLEASE!

by sparkles721 on May 29, 2006 8:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i believe it was that he
hit 90 once
Shades of Wrigley

by Ienpw on May 30, 2006 12:16 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

First start...
I wouldn't worry about the results in this first start.  If in his fourth or fifth start he gets knocked around then worry, more.

by DrCrawdad on May 29, 2006 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

OTOH...
... Wood's first rehab start was a lot better than that.

by Al on May 29, 2006 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My thought, exactly
I don't want to sound callous and jaded, but I'm done with Prior. He just can't seem to get it together. At this point, I really question his desire to pitch at this level or to be a part of this team.

We should packaged him with ANYONE from our farm system for Tejada. I'm sorry I wasn't more in favor of this idea way back over the winter.

"Aw, how could he lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico!"--Harry Caray

by cubbiejulie on May 29, 2006 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

However...
... Wood had some spring training. Prior had very little. The only time he cranked it up in Mesa, he started hurting and shut it down. Wood, even following the knee scope, threw.

DmL

by dmlichte on May 29, 2006 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

However,
at least there was something identifiably WRONG with Wood. Nobody can find anything wrong with Prior AND he comes back to pitch like this?

Not a good sign, dude. . .

"Aw, how could he lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico!"--Harry Caray

by cubbiejulie on May 29, 2006 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

OH...
... no argument from me. I think the whole thing is ludicrous. I just think there are lots of reasons for the mediocre outing.

DmL

by dmlichte on May 29, 2006 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Prior...
...has a strained subscapularis muscle.  I concede that it certainly doesn't SOUND like an injury that should have kept him out this long, but then I'm not a pitcher.

I am consistently puzzled by people on this board who have "had it with Prior."  Why?  Because he's soft?  Was he soft when he took a rocket off his elbow and then came back well ahead of schedule last year?  Is it because of his ceaseless string of injuries?  He still managed to throw 167 innings last year, and has thrown almost 300 over the last two years combined.  Wood has thrown just over 200.

It's totally natural to be fed up with Prior's absence, but please don't forget the effect of the freak elbow injury last year (he had a 2.93 ERA pre-injury and would have thrown close to 200 innings given back the 4 or 5 starts he missed) and the fact that he's only 25 and, not to be mean, has shown that he is, when healthy, a vastly superior pitcher to Kerry Wood.  As a caller to the SCORE noted a few days ago, Kerry Wood, in his best season (in 2003, of course), won 14 games and had a 3.20 ERA.  A nice year, to be sure.  The same year, Prior won 18 games and had a 2.43 ERA.

I'd rather he be pitching, but I'm not willing to give up on a man who's 25, has a freak accident to blame for much of his injury woes (and likely his poor performance in the second half of last year), and has shown that he can be, when healthy, perhaps the best pitcher in the league.  And as for him being soft:  sports radio can sell it, but I'm not buying.  Circumstances (being a coddled Southern California "pitching machine") may have conspired with injury woes to paint a picture of a wussy prima donna, but the fact is that he's been hurt a lot less than "tough Texan" Kerry Wood.  This isn't an attack on Kerry: I'm merely pointing out that there's a lot more reason to be patient with Prior than there was with Wood.

All that being said, yeah, 88 sounds bad.  Wow.

Also, go Cubs!  That's two days in a row of non-depressing baseball (yesterday was more comic than anything, I thought).  Hopefully we can make it three.

by ARMissel on May 29, 2006 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The thing about Wood and his injuries...
...is that they have been mainly due to his poor mechanics and his stubbornness about changing them. That said, I was at the game today, and at his first start back, and he looks a lot tighter. He's throwing across the body less, and seems to be delivering less aggressively. Wood's injuries have identifiable causes. Prior, while admittedly accident prone, has aches and pains that seem to rise out of nowhere, which lead many (including myself) to believe something else is wrong. It's the not knowing precisely what's wrong that worries people about Prior.

by Perkins on May 30, 2006 12:02 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

How many pitches did he throw?
anyone know?
"Aw, how could he lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico!"--Harry Caray

by cubbiejulie on May 29, 2006 8:25 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

i agree
start was not very good.  I hope he does bounce back to '03 form, but right now, i am just not confident about it.

i am wondering if the velocity is being down is something subconscious in Prior's mind- even this winter and spring, he was being coddled.  So, he may be afraid to exert full velocity.  Or, he just can't get it back yet

by ryno on May 29, 2006 8:36 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Not as bad as it sounds, but still...
I just got back from the game. (To be fair, me and the folks I were left shortly after Prior got pulled.)

First, the so-so. Prior's fastball was in the 80s -- highest was 88 mph. And there wasn't a lot of movement on his breaking ball.

Now, for the consolation. The third run crossed home plate on an error -- there probably should have been an out at third on the play, really.

I didn't get to see as much of the context as I probably should have -- was busy snapping pictures of Prior pitching, so take it with a grain of salt.

by cwyers on May 29, 2006 8:50 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

meh.
I'm not too worried. Prior's biggest problem in the game was a lack of fly balls, and that might be a result of a limited pitching repertoire.

And comparing this to Wood's first rehab start isn't fair, since Wood was up against A ball hitters and Prior was up against AAA hitters. Granted, Wood's AAA start was much stronger than this one, but Wood was closer to returning at this point than Prior currently is.

I would say that if the rehab start tells us anything about Mark, it isn't about some "new talent level," but rather about his lack of readiness to pitch to AAA (much less MLB) hitters.

The Cubs better shine 'fore twenty-oh-nine!

by shawndgoldman on May 29, 2006 9:34 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

er...
Prior's biggest problem was getting TOO MANY fly balls and not enough ground balls. Oh, and it WAS against A ball hitters, not AAA ones. Der.

If you're counting, Prior gave up 3 fly ball outs, a HR on a fly ball, and three singles on fly balls. He gave up a "reached on an error by first baseman," which i assume was a grounder. He struck out 3.

The Cubs better shine 'fore twenty-oh-nine!

by shawndgoldman on May 29, 2006 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

did anyone see this game?
he gave up 3 singles on fly balls. Perhaps some were "bloop" singles? That seems to be an anomolously high number of non-extra-base fly ball hits.
The Cubs better shine 'fore twenty-oh-nine!

by shawndgoldman on May 29, 2006 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

fly balls
yeah but he was always a flyball pitcher, even in 2003.
Shades of Wrigley

by Ienpw on May 30, 2006 12:16 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kane County is a single A team
"And comparing this to Wood's first rehab start isn't fair, since Wood was up against A ball hitters and Prior was up against AAA hitters."

by DrCrawdad on May 29, 2006 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yup,
i'm a dumbass.

I'm still not that upset over his start. Prior even had a quote in the trib article about how he gave up 8 runs in a rehab start before returning with to the MLB club and posting a sub-1.50 ERA. He's working on his mechanics and timing down there, not trying to strike everyone out.

The Cubs better shine 'fore twenty-oh-nine!

by shawndgoldman on May 29, 2006 11:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

uh oh
Dude, post it as a link...we don't want Al getting into trouble.

by Perkins on May 29, 2006 11:59 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yes, that's correct.
There was an entire article from cubs.com posted here as a comment.

A reminder: that is a copyright violation and a STRICT no-no on BCB.

So, this is a reminder: if you want to refer to an article on another site, please put a link to it, and then you can copy/paste maybe a paragraph or two.

On the right sidebar there is a link to hints/tips for posting diaries and comments. If you haven't posted before, please refer to this before you do.

Here is the article that was posted by the original poster from cubs.com.

Here's the paragraph that struck me:

"It never really concerns me what I throw, really. Maddux is throwing 82 [mph] out there and he's still doing it," Prior said. "It takes time. I've always been a slow guy getting in shape as far as velocity. A lot of times during Spring Training, I'm down, and then I come around, so I'm not really worried about it."

Well, first -- yes, velocity isn't important for Greg Maddux. But it always WAS important for Prior. That was his game. Maddux' game has NEVER been about velocity.

Also -- Prior refers to "spring training". Does he still think this is spring training? If so, does that mean he needs six more weeks of this?

Dude, get out there and pitch already. It's WAY past time.

by Al on May 30, 2006 4:08 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

huntington's disease
n/t
...the artist formerly priorpwnz.

by Faith plus 1 on May 30, 2006 7:01 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wish
I actually knew.
...the artist formerly priorpwnz.

by Faith plus 1 on May 30, 2006 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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