Firing Baker now won't improve Cubs
Firing the man on the top step of the Cubs dugout seems like a fitting and just conclusion to the disappointment we've felt since mid-October 2003. A team that has looked punch-drunk ever since a game-tying 3-run HR by Victor Diaz on Sept. 25, 2004 (losing 132 times and logging just a .450 winning percentage since), we've been waiting for this team to play up to its expectations.
Dusty Baker may or may not lead this team to its next winning season. Only Jim Hendry knows for sure. But recent Cub history and some currently existing and not easily changeable elements show that making the manager the fall guy in mid-season leads to more disappointment and an inability to judge the replacement fairly.
The new manager will be using the same personnel as Baker.
Casey Stengel would have the same options if he was managing the Cubs: bat Neifi 2nd or 7th, start Bynum in LF or RF tonight, would Z have the same chance of Mabry of a late-inning pitch-hit. I dare anyone to make a winner with the 25 men (24 at this point) that Dusty has had at his disposal during the first 2 months of the season. More ABs from Bynum (70), Womack (67) and Blanco (63) than Derrek Lee (44)?? Rich Hill and Angel Guzman equaling Wood's start totals (4)?? Or Jay Kuk U. matching Prior (1)?? Could any manager anywhere win consistently with players like that to choose from?
The new manager would bring in a new set of coaches and new philosophies.
That works well in spring training. But its success in mid-season is less probable than a crapshoot. Think of human nature when a substitute teacher is brought in. A new boss at work. A new step-father. The threshold of success, even the threshold of tolerance is often set so high that instant gratification...any gratification... is nearly unheard of. "A new hitting coach, huh? Great. I wonder how this guy is going to try to change me." Players, already sensing that the season is a lost cause, now get confirmation from the organization when the manager and coaches they've been listening to for years are gone and a new group of men that likely all players have never met, and in some cases, never heard of comes in to try to divert a last place finish. If introductions are made in February and the team has a chance to get to know the players for six weeks when win-loss records don't count and players have a chance to adjust, changes can be productive. But when changes are made mid-season, you risk players tuning out, turning off and showing even less drive. Managers, some living their ultimate dream for the first time, will choose the mediocre sure thing over developing a rookie anyday (see Fred McGriff vs. Hee Seop Choi).
The 29 best managers have a job right now.
The selection is thin on the managerial store shelves at this time of the season. During the winter, you might get to reel in the big name coming off a successful tenure elsewhere. Even in September, you might snag a guy that was fired by a different yet equally disappointed organization. But finding the kind of guy that you'd want to "see what they can do with this team" in the last 100 games often turns disastrous. Since Whitey Lockman replaced Leo Durocher in 1972 and when 39-26 (.600) to lead the team to a 2nd place finish, mid-season Cub replacements have failed, and in some cases failed miserably.
1974 - Whitey Lockman is replaced by Jim Marshall, who goes 22-44 (.362) as the team finished last.
1983 - Lee Elia is replaced by Charlie Fox, who goes 17-22 (.436) as the team finished fifth.
1986 - Jim Frey is replaced by Gene Michael, who goes 46-56 (.451) as the team finished fifth.
1987 - Gene Michael is replaced by Frank Lucchesi, who goes 8-17 (.320) as the team finished last.
1991 - Don Zimmer is replaced by Jim Essian, who goes 59-63 (.484) as the team finished fourth.
2002 - Don Baylor is replaced by Bruce Kimm who goes 33-45 (.423) as the team finished fifth.
There is no guarantee of improvement over the deposed manager, no indication in any of these hirings that the team hired the 'right man', no indication that "all this team needs is to get rid of that bum and bring in fresh blood." Look again at that list:
Jim Marshall
Charlie Fox
Gene Michael
Frank Lucchesi
Jim Essian
Bruce Kimm
Is there anyone available right now that wouldn't end up on this list in a couple years for future Cub fan to mock? All were arguably good baseball men. But were they better than Leo Durocher, Jim Frey or Don Zimmer? They were brought into a situation in which success wasn't possible. The candidate pool is so shallow that it's nearly impossible to find anyone that can single-handed turn this team, or any bad team around.
Does Baker deserve to continue managing the Cubs? Would he have been better with a better team? Perhaps, as he certainly came here with a winning record. Would things have been different with Prior, Wood and Lee healthy? Should he be blamed for the injuries? Should Hendry? Maybe. But the bigger question is: Is there someone out there that, if filling out the line-up card in Cleveland tonight, would actually get better results on the field than Baker?
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If they are going to gut the team and go young. Baker, IMHO, needs to go.
If they are going to ride this out, it really does not matter AS long as he does not get the extension.
he who is tired....
by timeforachange on Jun 20, 2006 4:03 PM CDT reply actions
same shit
by mike bornemann @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Jun 20, 2006 4:22 PM CDT reply actions
The point is...
Most likely, they'd name Dick Pole, or even worse, Sonny Jackson, interim manager. Then they'd have to start the search all over again in the off-season.
Just let the year play out. NO ONE could do better with this roster.
Well....
Where does the Dusty Baker Fan Club line start?
he who just ordered DAgostino's
by timeforachange on Jun 20, 2006 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Why not Ernie Banks?
From what I have heard seen and been told about Ernie, he is a consumate professional who absolutely loves the game of baseball. I know he is just a name but he has experience hitting that he could impose on some of the struggling Cub hitters.
He also played the game the right way. I know my vote counts less than it does every four years but I vote for Ernie.
See, this is exactly what I'm talking about.
Banks is 75 years old. He has been out of baseball since he retired as a player -- that's THIRTY-FIVE YEARS AGO!!
What on EARTH would make you think that he would be able to construct lineups, manage pitching staffs, coach hitters? If he had ANY idea how to do so, he'd have been doing it for the last 35 years instead of being out of the game.
This is the Steve Stone argument, only more ridiculous.
Well for one...
Plus sometimes it isn't about age as much as its about energy.
He has managerial experience and his energy could transfer to the listless team. I would at least like to see him take a hitting coach position. Yes, I am an Ernie Banks fan. How do you know he hasn't been doing those things? (he has worked with the Cubs since 1971 I am sure).
What managerial experience
Might as well hire Ted Turner. At least he managed an entire game.
Jack McKeon had been in baseball as a manager or front office man almost continuously for more than thirty years before taking the Marlins job. To compare his record (or Frank Robinson's) to Ernie Banks' is silly. Banks has not worked for the Cubs as anything other than a hand-shaker for over thirty years.
Phil Cavarretta is still alive and knows what it means to be a Cub player in the World Series. He even managed the Cubs for two and a half years. Would you also support Cavarretta being named manager?
The Tigers hired a much younger and almost as popular player with no managerial experience and little coaching experience. How'd Alan Trammell work out for them? How great have they gotten after they fired Trammell and replaced him with a real manager who knows what he's doing?
Al's right. People are just throwing out names. You could at least make an argument that Billy Williams was marginally qualified or that Ryne Sandberg knows what it's like to play today's game. But Ernie Banks?
by Josh Timmers on Jun 20, 2006 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions
At this point in this season...
by santo for prez on Jun 20, 2006 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Banks has not worked for the Cubs...
Again, like Steve Stone, he's a wonderful fellow, but totally unqualified to be in baseball management.
So
The other guy might be worse dooesn't cut it when the current guy is making 4 million a year. He should have been fired after thhe choke in 04. Letting thhe pplayers blame the announcers, umps, and fans was pitiful.
by pwhalen on Jun 21, 2006 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions
The main reason I'd like to see Dusty fired
Hendry
I'm glad you agree
Yes...
The bottom line is getting better players wouldn't make Dusty a better manager. They'd win more games, of course, but his poor philosophy/management would still cost them games and/or playoff series.
you said it best
by Old Style Heavy on Jun 21, 2006 1:13 AM CDT up reply actions
How about this
I say blame Hendry for the poor macro-management of the team and blame Dusty for the poor micro-management of the team.

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