Yesterday's poll

by Ivychat on Jun 21, 2006 4:23 PM CDT

I've stayed away from this site for quite a while now, simply because I feel no one here is interested in discussion. I described this place as driving your car at a tree, then blowing the horn and expecting the tree to get out of the way. New ideas are met with a slammed door if they disagree with the worldview that the status quo is sufficient.

At least on the other sites, people are open to new ideas. Even CCD changed his mind just yesterday on the whole Cubs-terrible customer service/brick issue once logic was explained to him. Wow. Opinion modified by new evidence! What a novel concept.

But what brings me to start my first ever diary here is two of your foulest balls, Sara and cubbiejulie. Yesterday, they went off on a 16 year old girl for supposedly doing my dirty work and starting a poll over here. My purpose? To make BTI'ers look foolish.

Like most of you need my help.

Go re-read how that whole thing originated over at 1060. Then look at the comments here. You'd think I had been planning this for weeks.

This site claims to have community standards. Those standards have allowed people to be accused of illegal acts and called out by ad hominem after ad hominem. Well, the biggest reason why is those two banana hammocks, Sara and cubbbieulie. These two "womyn" (can't have "man" in "woman") have done more to make this place a hostile, unfriendly environment than just about anyplace on the web outside of Little Green Footballs.

That these two are allowed to continue to post here sickens me. I have no idea what their relationship is and if they are coordinating their attacks against those of us with differing opinions. All I can guess is that the relationship is unique.

I wonder which of them wears the goatee?

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it was actually monday.

but now I'll just watch.

by mike bornemann @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Jun 21, 2006 4:27 PM CDT reply actions

Gee, they

have been nice to me. Maybe it's just you!

by sue369 on Jun 21, 2006 4:31 PM CDT reply actions

Thank you, sue

p.s. I hate AJP

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by Sarah Hope on Jun 21, 2006 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions

tee hee

by sue369 on Jun 21, 2006 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions

Well...

Sarah, Julie, and Chuck have all been nice to me.

It's too late, Chuck. People already made up their minds about you, and you don't really help them change it.

Cubbie Blue will always sPaRkLe in my eyes, but please stop losing. PLEASE!

by sparkles721 on Jun 21, 2006 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions

Yeah, enjoy the show mike

Punching AJP was classless, but this you enjoy? Bit of a double standard, don't you think?

Chuck, just because I'm too old for you to be friends with does not mean you should come over here and share your freakish opinions.

But *sigh, I guess we'll just have to read you spew out the words "ad hominem" about a thousand times and then you can crawl back into your hole.

she

by Sarah Hope on Jun 21, 2006 4:33 PM CDT reply actions

didn't say I enjoyed it.

by mike bornemann @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Jun 21, 2006 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions

Right,

because you only enjoy things that involve WINNING and COMPETITIVE SPORTS

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by Sarah Hope on Jun 21, 2006 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions

ha

not quite.

by mike bornemann @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Jun 21, 2006 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions

ok...

can we agree that you enjoy the caps lock key?

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by Sarah Hope on Jun 21, 2006 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions

eh

just a necessity. hardly a top ten key.

by mike bornemann @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Jun 21, 2006 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions

I'm fairly partial

to the F5 key, but that's neither here nor there...

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by Sarah Hope on Jun 22, 2006 8:02 AM CDT up reply actions

Too old?

"then you can crawl back into your hole."

Wow. What a modern, creative analogy. I'd guess that you're at least 80 or 90.

Gotta be tough keeping your skin so moist.

by Ivychat on Jun 21, 2006 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions

Don't know

when to leave it alone do you?

Mark Cuban for the owner of the 2007 World Champion Chicago Cubs.

by Faith plus 1 on Jun 22, 2006 1:40 AM CDT up reply actions

Is this crap what you want people to be open to?

Sarah and Julie have made great contributions to this site and have injected lighthearted humor into many days when we, as Cub fans, needed to laugh to keep from becoming too cynical and calling for boycotts.

You fancy yourself someone who has mastered the art of intelligent conversation and argument, but can't recognize how flawed the three choice poll was?

And with all the insults that are hurled at this site and Al in particular, is it really that great a stretch of imagination to think that you may have attempted to orchestrate something for the sole purpose of making the people who dare to disagree with you look stupid?

Of course, you calling them names and suggesting that they have a lesbian relationship goes a long way to help your argument.

by Scott @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Jun 21, 2006 4:37 PM CDT reply actions

As I have previously stated...

...I am currently 9,000 miles from home without any possible way to watch the cubbies play. I tried to get the MLB.com but the wireless router doesn't work fast enough. Anyway, I got on this site because I am unable to talk about the cubbies or see what is going on with my cronies from Illinois. I have to say that although I do not particularly remember either of these ladies being so blatantly negative towards anyone, I do at times get frustrated with the run ons and run ons of "he's hot" blah, blah,blah. I think it is ok to get side tracked once in awhile but when it is response to response to response on a guy's hotness instead of his ability to play baseball it gets a little tiresome. If I wanted to chat about GQ, I would read the free People magazines that the Family Readiness Group sends us.

vote santo for h.o.f.

by santo for prez on Jun 21, 2006 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions

I'm pretty sure...

I do the 'he's hot/cute' a lot more then they do. Sorry, but that's just how I am.

Johan Santana is hot. :)

Cubbie Blue will always sPaRkLe in my eyes, but please stop losing. PLEASE!

by sparkles721 on Jun 21, 2006 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions

Ugh,

that's so not us. Blah!

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by Sarah Hope on Jun 21, 2006 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions

Is this someone else?

Are you kidding?
Look how incredibly hot he is?
http://www.talksox.com/sim/michael_restovich.jpg

Aww look at that oily bulbous face. So attractive to a woman.
Mmm... alright who's still hungry for lunch?

she

by Sarah Hope on Wednesday, June 21, 2006 at 10:17 AM CST
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Sarah,
that's a BAD photo. He's much hotter than that. Seriously.

"Aw, how could he lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico!"--Harry Caray

by cubbiejulie on Wednesday, June 21, 2006 at 12:43 PM CST
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Oh trust me
I had to look very hard for a picture that bad of him. :)

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by Sarah Hope on Wednesday, June 21, 2006 at 1:38 PM CST
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thats terrible
here this guy is, a professional ballplayer, helps old ladies across the street, cures cancer, and all you can say about him is that he's hot?
for shame julie, for shame.

by tomas21 on Wednesday, June 21, 2006 at 1:42 PM CST
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LMAO!!
Touche, tomas. Touche.

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by Sarah Hope on Wednesday, June 21, 2006 at 1:44 PM CST
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huh?
didn't you complain about those other Cubs blogs posting pictures of hot women? how is this different? because it's linked?

by TerryS on Wednesday, June 21, 2006 at 1:44 PM CST
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That was a joke, me posting that.
It was funny. Because that guy said why do people have a crush on him??
Is this thing on??

Anyway, that was just Ivychat putting up the hot girls of 24. Ugh...

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by Sarah Hope on Wednesday, June 21, 2006 at 1:46 PM CST
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i was just saying
that out of left field there's a discussion of whether a potential cub was hot or not and that didn't seem very different from posting pictures of the hot girls. neither one had much to do with whether he'd be a bust like every other hendry trade.

by TerryS on Wednesday, June 21, 2006 at 1:55 PM CST
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Oh no,
I just thought it was funny that Will said "Why does everyone have such a crush on him?" speaking of his trade value. It was just funny.

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by Sarah Hope on Wednesday, June 21, 2006 at 1:57 PM CST
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LOL
I agree. i thought your response was funny. and by the way, i believe that you and cubbiejulie and will71081 have every right to debate his hotness.

i care more about OBP, but to each his or her own. :)

by TerryS on Wednesday, June 21, 2006 at 2:04 PM CST
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I didn't make any reference to his hotness
that was all cubbiejulie!!!!

I can't even count the amount of times that someone uses Restovich/Theriot as reasons why Dusty is running the team poorly. Is that all we have left people????

It's just depressing if that's it.

"You know what God told the cubs. Don't do anything until I get back!" Pete Rose

by Will71081 on Wednesday, June 21, 2006 at 2:11 PM CST
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Hahahahahahaha!!
Poor Will. You got sucked into this!

We don't really care whether he's hot or not. If they all looked like Bynum but hit like DiMaggio, I'd be fine with it!!

she

by Sarah Hope on Wednesday, June 21, 2006 at 2:15 PM CST
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vote santo for h.o.f.

by santo for prez on Jun 21, 2006 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions

Um... dude.

Did you READ that? It was a joke. Seriously. You can't be that slow.

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by Sarah Hope on Jun 22, 2006 7:45 AM CDT up reply actions

Perhaps my sarcasm didn't translate via type..

did you look at that picture??

For the record, "bulbous" is not a flattering term for someone's face.

I was making fun of him.

she

by Sarah Hope on Jun 22, 2006 7:52 AM CDT up reply actions

Chuck,

please continue to stay away from this site - I'd prefer not to read your condescending remarks again. Maybe I just wasn't reading this site enough when you were more active, but all I can EVER recall seeing from you is insulting posts like this one. If you have a legitimate opinion about the Cubs and can manage to discuss it without insulting or condesending to those who disagree with you, come on back. I'm always open to discussion when it involves civility on BOTH sides. Perhaps a few posters on BCB have been incivil to you in the past (I really don't know), but that doesn't give you the right to make a broad generalization about every single person that posts on this site.

by mportsch on Jun 21, 2006 4:59 PM CDT reply actions

So...

"all I can EVER recall seeing from you is insulting posts like this one"

That's a broad generalization if I ever saw one.

by Ivychat on Jun 21, 2006 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions

No it isn't.

It's a simple statement of the truth. I have never seen any posts from you except for posts like this. As I said, I haven't really come across your posts except for in recent months, so maybe you used to actually offer something useful. Why don't you prove me wrong by actually posting something constructive?

by mportsch on Jun 21, 2006 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions

Less than a week ago

he did post a rumor about the Texas Rangers being interested in Wood..

From MLB Trade Rumors..

So every other post..

Chuck I do not understand what you are hoping to accomplish here.. I mean if you are trying to defend Sparks honor..okay.. she doesn't seem too upset about it. The way you are coming off is just as a cheap way to bash two members of a site man. I am neutral in this and dislike the whole bickering I get enough of that at work. I just do not understand the need to post this diary.

by cubsfan2883 on Jun 21, 2006 11:39 PM CDT up reply actions

OK.

Thanks for sticking up for me.

But please don't generalize. That's the reason the poll was started by me. It was because you and others were generalizing.

What ideas have been slammed? Wanna discuss? Let's discuss those without offending anyone. What do you want to discuss? You can also jump right in to the discussion of a possible Jacque Jones trade, Dusty Baker, Wood's problems, or just respond to a post like JoshinLA's today about the topic of the sale and why it isn't going to happen. If you don't come it's not because no one wants to discuss, it's because you don't want to.

Cubbie Blue will always sPaRkLe in my eyes, but please stop losing. PLEASE!

by sparkles721 on Jun 21, 2006 6:03 PM CDT reply actions

Wow

I've stayed away from this site for quite a while now, simply because I feel no one here is interested in discussion.

Wow. And the rest of your misogynistic, homophobic and insult-filled post was a great way to start a discussion, too.

Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

by Josh Timmers on Jun 21, 2006 7:19 PM CDT reply actions

Have to jump in here

because I've gotten sick of the misuse of the word homophobic today because off all the radio discussion oof Guillen's comments re Mariotti.

Insinuating that someone is gay does not make one homophobic. It might make the person bigoted, but only if the person they are talking about is, in fact, gay.

Additionally, it's not even slander - unless you are arguing that there is something wrong wiith being gay. If so, you are saying the same thing you are criticizing that person for.

Words have definitions foor a reason.

by pwhalen on Jun 21, 2006 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions

Way to go...

Except, in his context he was treating it as an insulting, and a bad thing, so....

I don't think the people calling him homophobic think being gay is a bad thing, but merely pointing out the fact that he was treating it as an insult. Therefore, since he used the gay jokes to belittle them both, it WAS slander.

Your logic was fallacious, because you used circular logic, or "begging the question". You can't prove implicitly or explicitly that a person is homophobic because they call someone else homophobic.

I do agree that that term is probably thrown around too much, but damnit man, make sense when you post.

by CosmicCharlie911 on Jun 21, 2006 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions

Did any of you people pass English?

"Therefore, since he used the gay jokes to belittle them both, it WAS slander."

Main Entry: 2slander
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English sclaundre, slaundre, from Old French esclandre, from Late Latin scandalum stumbling block, offense -- more at SCANDAL
1 : the utterance of false charges or misrepresentations which defame and damage another's reputation
2 : a false and defamatory oral statement about a person -- compare LIBEL

slan·der·ous -d(&-)r&s adjective
slan·der·ous·ly adverb
slan·der·ous·ness noun

The only was insinating that Mariotti was gay could be slander is if it would (see above) defame or damage his reputation.

If there is nothing wrong with being gay it cannot defame or damage him.

Therefore if you are calling it slander, you are saying there is something wrong with being gay.

It's not a circular arguement at all. To avoid hurting anyones feelings here I use my own heritage as an example. I'm Irish so I will take the lliberty of using the term Mick here. If I call Yao Ming a lazy mick, can he sue for slander or libel? No. If I call him a theif, however, he could. Because a theif is a bad thing which could damage his reputation.

Not slander, and not a homophobic comment. Insensitive, yes. Stupid, yes.

by pwhalen on Jun 22, 2006 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions

Whatever, man...

I'm not going to sit here and argue semantics. If you want to call it insensitive, I'm fine with that.

by CosmicCharlie911 on Jun 22, 2006 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions

Oh

I'm sure he meant it as a compliment. And I'm sure he has some sort of basis to make that claim.

It's homophobia when bringing up one's sexual preferences is completely irrelevant to the subject at hand. And it's an insult to assume that any woman who isn't deferential to men is a lesbian.

Get real. Of course it was a homophobic insult. To pretend otherwise is to be complicit in their hate speech.

by Josh Timmers on Jun 22, 2006 12:49 AM CDT up reply actions

Exactly

n/t

by CosmicCharlie911 on Jun 22, 2006 1:15 AM CDT up reply actions

wrong

homophobia

One entry found for homophobia.
Main Entry: ho·mo·pho·bia
Pronunciation: "hO-m&-'fO-bE-&
Function: noun
: irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals
- ho·mo·pho·bic -'fO-bik adjective

tell me how his comments qualify under the definition of homophobia.

by pwhalen on Jun 22, 2006 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions

nope

"It's homophobia when bringing up one's sexual preferences is completely irrelevant to the subject at hand."

see the actual definition in my reply below. You're not even close.

"Of course it was a homophobic insult. To pretend otherwise is to be complicit in their hate speech."

geez, wrong again. To point out otherwise only indicates that I understand the English langauge.

by pwhalen on Jun 22, 2006 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions

that reply

is attached to the wrong response

by pwhalen on Jun 22, 2006 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions

I'm not a big fan of Chuck....

....but some pretty bad stuff has been bandied about, and it originates here: the pedophilia allusion, people (including Al) saying things in debates regarding the person's children without ever having met them.

Chuck's no saint, but he's right in saying some of the things being bandied about here are CLEARLY across the line. Over a basenball game.

Two wrongs don't make a right, to trot out the ol' cliche.

Besides the obvious - Go Irish.

by PopeFlick on Jun 21, 2006 7:37 PM CDT reply actions

I was going to stay out of this...

... but I never, NEVER, have said anything about anyone's children here, nor anything personal about ANYONE on this site.

Nor will I ever.

by Al Yellon on Jun 21, 2006 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions

Well,

...no link, but I recall you saying something to Gaius about how you hope his negativity didn't effect his children. That's what i was referring to.

Besides the obvious - Go Irish.

by PopeFlick on Jun 21, 2006 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions

Link.

In fairness here is the link to your comment I mentioned. It simply wasn't called for, and entirely not relevant.

Besides the obvious - Go Irish.

by PopeFlick on Jun 21, 2006 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions

Well...

... you are absolutely right. I shouldn't have said that.

by Al Yellon on Jun 21, 2006 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions

Although Chuck and Gaius are not one

in the same.

"You know what God told the cubs. Don't do anything until I get back!" Pete Rose

by Will71081 @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Jun 22, 2006 8:24 AM CDT up reply actions

Not the point

n/t

Besides the obvious - Go Irish.

by PopeFlick on Jun 22, 2006 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions

Wow...

you have an incredible memory for trivial, and/or non-remarkable comments. You put both my mother and girlfriend to shame.

So....congrats, I guess.

by CosmicCharlie911 on Jun 22, 2006 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions

wow

that was like a palmerio before congress moment. al, you didn't point your virtual finger when you said those "never"s did you?

by tomas21 on Jun 22, 2006 8:27 AM CDT up reply actions

Interesting....

Chuck: I read what I believe is the diary to which you are referring to. I honestly do not see why there is all this outrage on your part.

Al: As for this diary and your desire to "stay out of it", I think you were being irresponsible. This is your blog and if people are slandered or abusive to another member, you have the responsibility to intervene. IMHO, this diary should have been shut due to Chuck's initial posting.

he who is getting tired of this...

he hath no fury like a cubs fan scorned

by timeforachange on Jun 21, 2006 8:20 PM CDT reply actions

I thought about that quite a bit...

... and felt that it was up to the community here to respond to this posting, and I believe they did, in a responsible way, for which I am grateful.

I would like to see this sniping put to rest forever, frankly.

Tritely, I quote Rodney King: "Can't we all just get along?"

by Al Yellon on Jun 21, 2006 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions

Re

I'm glad you didn't take this diary down. You've created a very, very big tent, and people need to know it's ok to express themselves about what they'd like to see here as well as what they could do without.

Chuck may be on the fringe, but there's hardly some barren desert between him and the next person toward the center. I also suspect your decision to allow virtually anything that's not illegal to transpire has, at times, been mistaken for approval, and that your primary goal is to let the community develop and evolve in whatever direction it may.

That's a very hard to thing to do. Props for resisting the desire to shape and control it beyond what's absolutely necessary.

Visit The Digital Gazette

by Jed Taylor on Jun 21, 2006 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions

And I suspect

that you are welcoming of people expressing themselves unless they were to come off as being.. oh I don't know.... "sexually frustrated"?

It's well to remember that you don't know everything, Jed.
Choose your words (and who you share them with) wisely.

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by Sarah Hope on Jun 22, 2006 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions

Sorry if it's been asked, but here's my question

What, exactly, is a banana hammock?

Or do I want to know?

"If it takes forever."

by JDay on Jun 21, 2006 9:25 PM CDT reply actions

You probably don't..

..want to know.

vote santo for h.o.f.

by santo for prez on Jun 21, 2006 9:27 PM CDT up reply actions

It's

a Speedo.

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by Sarah Hope on Jun 22, 2006 8:18 AM CDT up reply actions

If it's what I think it is...

wouldn't "holster" be a better alternative to "hammock"?

"If it takes forever."

by JDay on Jun 21, 2006 10:01 PM CDT reply actions

Let's just say...

...my muse for "hammock" is a princess of a writer.

by Ivychat on Jun 21, 2006 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions

It's a pleasure to know such a hypocrite...

whom complains about attacks on this site, using the term "ad hominem" ad nauseum, and then does the same thing in his own post.

Congratulations, you have just blown my mind.

by CosmicCharlie911 on Jun 21, 2006 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions

Now that...

is funny. In a perfect world, we'd have more of CosmicCharlie, and less in-fighting over trivial issues that turn to personal attacks.

Actually, I don't know CosmicCharlie, and don't know if his posts are usually this witty, but I have to say that as the Cubs season has gotten worse, the comments on this site seem to have gone downhill with them (although, when I first came here in the offseason, some of the exchanges with Gaius were fairly sharp).

by jcub on Jun 22, 2006 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions

To be realistic

This 'ain't nuthin' compared to what I've seen on
other affiliated sites. It's just two girls trash talking, and if somebody takes it seriously, they need to step waaaaaaaaaay back and take it easy. There's real....crap on some of the other SB sites. This is of no consequence.
You need to do what I did -- go to Mexico and forget about the Cubs, baseball, whatever makes you angry and hostile. Or, at least go to Aurora, Peoria, whatever. Get away for a while, buddy, please -- until your wish comes true, and Mark Cuban or Fidel Castro buys the Cubs.

by Smooth Jazz Man San Diego on Jun 21, 2006 10:43 PM CDT reply actions

I agree

Maybe you need to start taking these blogs with a little grain of salt. Or maybe....

to quote Dr. Hibbert, from the Simpsons: "The best tonic is the chronic."

I hope that wasn't too illegal for you.

by CosmicCharlie911 on Jun 21, 2006 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions

Cuban or Castro?

Wow...those are two guys who are on opposite ends of the financial philosophy spectrum.

I like that.

"If it takes forever."

by JDay on Jun 21, 2006 10:47 PM CDT reply actions

Or they at least masquerade as such....

I'm pretty sure Castro lives in a gigantic mansion.

by CosmicCharlie911 on Jun 21, 2006 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions

Castro's house

Good call.

"If it takes forever."

by JDay on Jun 21, 2006 11:12 PM CDT reply actions

yeah...

I read that somewhere that Castro's house is ginormous, and he's by far the richest man in Cuba (makes sense). In terms of latin leaders pissing off the US government, I prefer Hugo Chavez. Castro sounds like a total hypocrite.

by CosmicCharlie911 on Jun 21, 2006 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions

with a '52 Packard.....

by Smooth Jazz Man San Diego on Jun 21, 2006 11:13 PM CDT reply actions

While I ..

agree that what happened to sparkles in that thread was in my opinion out of hand. If she isn't torn up about it.. then no one else has the right to start a fight for her.

This (expletive) has gotten out of hand. Mariotti is a (expletive) (expletive). (Expletive Expletive ) Thank you.

by cubsfan2883 on Jun 21, 2006 11:26 PM CDT reply actions

Just to stay off topic

But the other interesting thing about Castro (and Cuban, for that matter) is that while I'm not a Fidel fan (because I'm a good little capitalist), he has more of a sense of humor than anyone would think about.

Cuban, for how pissed off he gets, has a pretty good sense of humor, too.

Wait...Castro, Cuban...Castro IS Cuban.

That's odd...

"If it takes forever."

by JDay on Jun 21, 2006 11:40 PM CDT reply actions

Awww ... poor Colonel Blimp

Did someone hurt your widdle feewings, Colonel? Are those mean girls Sarah and Julie hurting your poor, poor widdle feewings? Is nobody weading your widdle Ivychat blog?

Awww ... let Mommy kiss it and make it better.

Luck is the residue of design. -- Branch Rickey

by Gregory on Jun 23, 2006 4:08 AM CDT reply actions