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As I am sitting here watching the Red Sox-Yankees on ESPN, I keep seeing Tony Pena on the bench there in the Yankee dugout. For one, I had forgotten that he was coaching there now, and secondly I was wondering about people's opinions of him as a possible managerial candidate to replace Dusty.

I honestly do not remember if Tony Pena was even on Al's poll awhile back there, and do not remember much of his brief stint with the Royals other than they had one good run at the AL Central.

So, I am looking for thoughts on Mr. Pena as a possible candidate for managing the Cubs next year if we are not blessed with the return of Dusty's Gang.

P.S. I hope Jeremy Papelbon can be anywhere near what is brother is looking like so far tonight getting out of that jam! 98-99 mph with 90 mph splitter and slider! Insane.

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Tony Pe?a
was a gawdawful manager with the Royals.  Royal fans cheered his departure more than we would cheer Dusty leaving.  If Tony Peña is hired as the next Cub manager, it would prove the organization is truly brain dead.

by Josh Timmers on Aug 20, 2006 11:54 PM CDT reply actions  

This is
why I was asking...I barely remember...

by airweino on Aug 21, 2006 12:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

Where...
do you get that from? Pena was easily the most popular Royal during their run at the AL Central. Joe Torre couldn't have managed that team anywhere.

That said, I don't want Pena as our manager.

by thekansasian on Aug 21, 2006 12:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Citations
http://royals.mostvaluablenetwork.com/2005/05/
Unfortunately in Pena's case, the effectiveness of his first big-time managing gig left much to be desired:

He showed little to no feel for knowing when a pitcher still had something left in the tank or was completely out of gas.

He repeatedly made a punchless offense even more punchless by ordering his players - sometimes his best players - to lay down sacrifice bunts in non-game situations.
The 25-man roster was managed as if all 25 guys were just generic baseball players with no differentiating qualities, which is why Desi Relaford received nearly as much playing time at a corner outfield spot as more-productive hitters like Matt Stairs did.
Relief pitchers who were pitching well (Jason Grimsley and Andy Sisco come to mind) often received no rest, sometimes pitching three days in a row. As a result of that abuse, Grimsley broke down in the second half of 2003, and I'd bet that Sisco - he of the dead arm late last year - could do the same once we hit the dog days of August.
The list goes on and on.

http://dailylancer.blogspot.com/2005_05_01_dailylancer_archive.html

Pena quits! I feel a bit cheated. The only thing I had to look forward to this season was Pena's humiliating public dismissal, but I suppose this will have to do . . .I don't there's much reason to rehash Pena's troubled reign in Kansas City. He was a terrible in-game micromanager, placed way too much importance on gritty-yet-highly-unproductive players like Desi Relaford, etc. In the end, though, the Royals of 2002 to 2005 simply weren't very talented or experienced, and despite the 2003 miracle fluke, Pena managed teams that were destined for 100-loss seasons no matter his or any other manager's interventions. Pena simply made it worse with his nauseating sunniness and had aggravating in-game skills.

Is that enough? Because I can find more.  Peña was popular in 2003 when the Royals made a run, just like Dusty was.  I didn't hear about any teeth-gnashing when he quit under a cloud of suspicion for his personal peccadilloes.

by Josh Timmers on Aug 21, 2006 1:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

Point taken...
but Dusty wasn't praised in 2003 like Pena was. Pena was a local hero (being from KS) that year, with his colorful interviews and the Royals big run.
I was sincere in questioning where you got that from, because I was unaware it ended in such a fasion.

by thekansasian on Aug 21, 2006 2:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

But he speaks SPANISH
and evidently that's the most important attribute to a managerial candidate, right Al?

by Santos Sorrow @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Aug 21, 2006 8:16 AM CDT reply actions  

I love how you twist my words.
I never said it was THE most important attribute. I said it was AN important attribute, and I believe it is.

If two candidates were substantially equal in qualifications, I'd take the Spanish speaker, yes.

But if the NON Spanish speaker was more qualified, then he'd be the guy.

Is that more clear? Or do I have to spell it out every time?

by Al Yellon on Aug 21, 2006 8:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

how about everytime you mention
joey cora's name?

by Santos Sorrow @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Aug 21, 2006 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not going to spell it out again...
... because it's spelled out VERY CLEARLY IN THE POST ABOVE.

If you don't understand that, I really feel sorry for you.

(I'm off the Cora bandwagon -- Fredi Gonzalez is my pick now.)

by Al Yellon on Aug 21, 2006 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

One man band?
You were the only one ever on the Cora "band wagon."

PS, Id like Gonzalez too

by Santos Sorrow @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Aug 21, 2006 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wow!
We agree on something.

I do think Cora might make a good manager, but I think Gonzalez will make a better one.

by Al Yellon on Aug 21, 2006 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Now, if we could get Gonzalez
AND Ben Cherrington in one off season, that'd about do it for me.

by Santos Sorrow @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Aug 21, 2006 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

In regards to
Jeremy Papelbon....from what I have heard, he's is not a power pitcher like his brother.....he is more of a location pitcher....hitting low 90's on the gun....
Marge, weaseling out of things is what seperates us from the rest of the animals.....except the weasel - Homer Simpson

by TheBeerBaron on Aug 21, 2006 8:26 AM CDT reply actions  

Maybe we could hire
Pena as a hire Pena as a first base/fielding or bench coach, and then he'd convince his son to play for us.

by tomas21 on Aug 21, 2006 9:16 AM CDT reply actions  

is he
friends with Gonzales? That would help.

by tomas21 on Aug 21, 2006 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

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