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NL Central: The Summer of Failure

Has any division in history looked so bad for so long?  

Games played since May 28th:

CIN  27-30  .473
STL  26-30  .464
CUB  26-31  .456
HOU  25-31  .446
MIL  25-33  .431
PIT  24-34  .414

Over a whole season .473 = 77-85.  That's for your 'best' team.

And this division might send two teams to the playoffs.

The Cubs have played as well as anyone in the division for more than two months now:  
   They were 13.5 GB on May 28.  
   They are 14 GB now.  

The Cubs may be bad, but bad is a relative term in this neighborhood.  'Bad' is the new 'average'.

Bottom line:  It's not going to take an overhaul for the Cubs to win the NLC in '07.  

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Zito

Floyd

hey, hey, cubs win.

by cubbyblue137 on Aug 3, 2006 11:43 AM CDT reply actions  

Only 10 1/2 out!
Izturis will lead us to the wildcard!
Forget Zito, Soriano, Schmidt & Lee.

by CubFaninCA on Aug 3, 2006 11:55 AM CDT reply actions  

Those are some really good points . . .
I like you perspective . . . but, the season doesn't start on May 28th.  There's a reason its a long season.

Plus, its pretty to think so, but I don't think we can take it for granted that the Central will be that bad next summer.

by hoosiercubbie on Aug 3, 2006 11:57 AM CDT reply actions  

i just heard
that the cards are going to make a big push to pick up woody in the off season what do you guys think about that.

by tbizzle83 on Aug 3, 2006 12:01 PM CDT reply actions  

watch wood
cost at least $7 million next year.  He'll get the $3 million buyout and the Cubs will have to throw additional money at him to retain him.

Gee maybe forget about Cliff Floyd too.

Forget Zito, Soriano, Schmidt & Lee.

by CubFaninCA on Aug 3, 2006 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

We owe the 3 million buyout regardless...
so don't even bother factoring that money into the equation: it is as good as spent. I think retaining him has a very good chance of paying off in the longrun: let him pitch in relief long enough to show that he can (hopefully) stay healthy, and allow him to boost his trade value. If he pitches well and stays healthy, it is win-win: either we have a really good reliever on our hands, or we have a nice piece of trade bait. Look at whatever they pay him next year as an investment for the Cubs's future (since they probably won't contend next year anyway). Barring the highly likely event of injury, it should all pay off in the longrun.

by CosmicCharlie911 on Aug 3, 2006 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

i doubt
wood, at this point, will get anyone to pay him much more than 1-2 million plus incentives (plus his buy-out).

by tomas21 on Aug 3, 2006 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

So what if they win the Central?
If the team is not very good, it won't get anywhere in the playoffs anyway.  I'm interested in a WS win not an NL Central title.

by NO100 on Aug 3, 2006 12:05 PM CDT reply actions  

Amen, NO
I could give a crap about a division title.  Every year, the focus at Clark and Addison should be "what can we do to win the World Series."

by Peoria Matt on Aug 3, 2006 12:16 PM CDT reply actions  

That's a good point...
The division definitely appears to be up for grabs in 2007. The Cardinals are losing the following players to free agency:

SP Marquis
SP Mulder
SP Suppan
SP Weaver
2B Belliard
CF Edmonds

Their rotation will be Carpenter, Reyes, and three new guys (either free agents or rookies). They don't seem to have much for major-league-ready starters in their system, so they'll be spending some cash on their rotation in the offseason. Any team with Scott Rolen and Albert Pujols should still be ok, but they'll have a lot of holes to fill.
The Reds won't really lose much to free agency (SS Clayton, RP Guardado, RP Mercker), but I think they really hurt their future when they dealt away Kearns and Lopez for relievers. If they can solidify their rotation with a good free agent, they might be in the hunt.
I think Milwaukee might be the team to beat in the Central next season. They'll lose Tomo Ohka, David Bell, Jeff Cirillo, and Tony Graffanino to free agency. Their rotation will consist of Sheets, Capuano, Bush, Davis, and a rookie/free agent - that's pretty solid, depending on what they do with that 5th slot. Their position players line up like this:

C  Miller (if option is picked up)
1B Fielder
2B Weeks
SS Hardy/Hall
3B Koskie/Hall
LF Mench
CF Clark
RF Jenkins

That lineup is solid all the way through, and some of the young players still have room to improve. They've also got Gabe Gross and Corey Hart to provide OF depth. If the Brewers stay healthy, they should be a force next season.
The Astros could potentially lose all of these players:

SP Clemens
SP Pettitte
2B Biggio
3B Huff
LF Wilson

Needless to say, they'll have some major rotation holes to plug if they can't get Clemens or Pettitte to pitch for them for next season. Their offense hasn't been very good this season either, so they'll need a major overhaul this offseason if they hope to compete.
The Pirates don't really lose anybody beyond the players they've already dealt, but they're still the Pirates. They do have some solid young position players (Bay, Bautista, Sanchez, Castillo, Paulino), but it's hard to see them competing for anything unless their young starting pitchers all put it together at the same time.
After looking at the division, I think the Brewers would have to be considered the 2007 favorite right now. Of course, a lot can change between now and April 1, 2007. The Cardinals could still be the favorite if they can fill their rotation effectively. It should be an interesting offseason.

by mportsch on Aug 3, 2006 12:20 PM CDT reply actions  

There is a very good chance....
that Adam Wainwright will pitch in the Cards rotation next year.

by CosmicCharlie911 on Aug 3, 2006 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

It also appears...
that they might be prepping Brad Thompson for that role as well, which I think is smart. If both of those guys can pitch effectively as starters, the Cardinals will have a good rotation, possibly very good if they can get a good free agent starter for the last spot. Reyes is going to be a good one.

by mportsch on Aug 3, 2006 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think
LaRussa/Duncan have already said that is the plan.  

by rlpete on Aug 3, 2006 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cardinal pitching
is what carried them in 04 & 05, and why they're struggling this year.  Looks like they'll have to patch up a lot of holes after this year..

For some reason I think they'll make a really strong run @ Schmidt.  Perhaps it's cause they're a smarter organization than the Cubs.

Forget Zito, Soriano, Schmidt & Lee.

by CubFaninCA on Aug 3, 2006 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

I hope they do
 
 Jason Schmidt has a lot of miles on his tires. I wouldn't give him a contract more than three years. I'd make him a good 3 year offer. But I wouldn't go crazy and I sure wouldn't get upset if I lost.

by yahoodi on Aug 3, 2006 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

A weak free agent market
will probably mean the Cardinals try to bring back at least one of their starters.  If Mulder comes back and gives them anything this year they might bring him back.  They like older pitchers and that's what they have now.  I think Marquis is gone but the others I wouldn't count on not being back.

Overall it's going to be tough for any team to improve.  I'd look for the Reds to try and get a big name pitcher, the question is whether they'll spend the money needed to get one and who would want to pitch in that park?

The Brewers look good going forward and are probably a good bet to contend for the division.

The Astros will almost certainly try to bring back Biggio if for no other reason than he'll get his 3,000 hit next year for them.  Can't see them letting him go considering he's a lifelong Assho.... I mean Astro.  

The Cubs will be in a position to contend for the division considering it's state if they go out and actually make themselves better this winter.  A couple good free agent signings will help a lot.  One good pitcher and one good hitter would do wonders for our chances.  The problem is that there aren't many good hitters or pitchers available and the cost will be prohibitive for Hendry considering the Cubs history of going after big names.

The Pirates don't look like contenders.  They'll have to show a lot of improvement with their young pitchers.  Littlefield is apparently a moron and his deadline deals only solidifies that.  Wilson for Chacon?  

The Brewers look good, the Reds could be if they get pitching, don't count out the Cardinals resourcefulness, the Astros need more help than they'll probably be able to acquire, the Pirates aren't a threat.  A few good moves by the Cubs could put them right back in the thick of things but like has been said they need to focus not on the division but on what they'll be able to accomplish in the playoffs.  A good hitter will help win the division, a good pitcher or three would go a long way in the playoffs.

by pageian on Aug 3, 2006 8:35 PM CDT reply actions  

It's a tough year, but keep the faith
I have the faith.  We'll win, someday.
...right downtown and PRINT IT!!!

by CliffX on Aug 4, 2006 8:50 AM CDT reply actions  

We sure will!
whether I'm alive or not when that happens, however, is another thing.

by CosmicCharlie911 on Aug 4, 2006 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

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