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Rainout Recap, and Open Thread: Cubs vs. Diamondbacks, Doubleheader, Thursday 8/3, 12:05 CT

When Mark and I got home from last night's rainout, he started asking questions about today's makeup doubleheader.

First, he wanted to know when the second game would start... I told him, usually 25-30 minutes after the first game ended. Then, when I left him his ticket for today's game (Jeff is picking him up since I'm at work), he said, "Where's the ticket for the second game?"

That's when I realized -- he's never been to a doubleheader before. Doubleheaders are so infrequent these days, and generally only played in rainout-makeup situations like this one; if you're younger than 40 or so, you probably don't remember the days, which still existed when I was a kid, when teams played doubleheaders nearly every Sunday, and also on holidays (now, some teams are even scheduled off on holidays, which totally puzzles me).

Now, of course, teams want to maximize income; a crowd of 40,000 at Wrigley Field generates over $1.3 million in gross ticket revenue, not to mention concessions, souvenirs, etc.; so you can see why no team wants to give "two for the price of one" unless they have to. This is why the split-admission doubleheader (one game generally at noon, the other at 7 pm) has become popular among teams wanting to maximize revenue for rained-out games. The Cubs have had a couple of these in recent years, most memorably the September 2, 2003 split DH against the Cardinals, where the Cubs won the first game in 15 innings when Sammy Sosa homered, and lost game two 2-0 on a disputed umpiring call on a Moises Alou ball that could have been a bases-clearing double; it was ruled foul and Alou wound up flying out.

Players, other employees, broadcasters all hate them, since it puts them at the ballpark for more than twelve hours on that day. Doubleheaders also used to be more appealing when the average game times were shorter than they are today; Mike has often reminded me of this 1976 doubleheader between the Cubs and Phillies; the first game ran 1:32, the second 2:19. He said it ended before 4:30.

That 1:32 game, incidentally, is the shortest game at Wrigley Field in the last 30 years.

We can only hope for one -- or what the heck, BOTH -- of today's games to be as short.

 Game 1 Starting Pitchers
Carlos Marmol
 C. Marmol
Cubs
vs. Juan Cruz
 J. Cruz
D'backs
4-4 W-L 3-6
4.39 ERA 4.84
46 SO 67
40 BB 35
8 HR 5
vs. Ari -- vs. Cubs
 Game 2 Starting Pitchers
Juan Mateo
 J. Mateo
Cubs
vs. Enrique Gonzalez
 E. Gonzalez
D'backs
making W-L 3-2
his ERA 4.96
major SO 40
league BB 17
debut HR 7
vs. Ari -- vs. Cubs
Three rookie pitchers are going today -- Mateo, Marmol and the D'backs' Gonzalez -- and Juan Cruz, once one of the pipeline of highly-touted Cub pitching prospects, now just another middling-talent guy trying to hang on with Arizona, will be the other starter in this doubleheader. Seems like Cruz has been around forever, but he's only 27.

The last time two rookies started a doubleheader for the Cubs was on September 3, 1978 vs. Houston -- Dennis Lamp, who started and won game one, and the eminently forgettable Manny Seaone, who started and got a no-decision in a 4-2 Cub win in game two. Hat tip: SABR member and unofficial Cub historian Ed Hartig.

Someone else who's been around forever is, of course, Kerry Wood, who announced last night that he's not having shoulder surgery, after "exhaustive" consultations, but will rehab instead and come back as a reliever.

Well, about time, Mr. Going-To-Be-Thirty-Next-Year. If you'd have done that two years ago, the Cubs would likely already have you as a dominant closer. Instead, they're going to have to offer you an incentive-laden contract to stay, which in my opinion, they ought to do, and reading between the lines, I think Wood also wants to stay.

Incidentally, last night and today's games were both originally scheduled as WGN-TV games, and WGN WILL carry both games of the doubleheader at noon CT.

Discuss amongst yourselves.

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Cubs win both as.....
Marmol pitches 7 IN, 6H, 2R, 4BB, 7K

Cubs win 6-2

Mateo pitches 6 IN, 8H, 2R, 3BB, 5K

Cubs win 3-2

"Incidentally, Colossus was right and I was wrong about Maddux being dealt." -Al Yellon

by colossus on Aug 3, 2006 9:27 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Alright, if you're not careful...
...that signature is going to earn you some really sweet recipes...  Give it up...
Go Cubbies!

by NC Cubs Fan on Aug 3, 2006 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The sig is staying
until I win my next bet with Al and have something better to replace it with :)
"Incidentally, Colossus was right and I was wrong about Maddux being dealt." -Al Yellon

by colossus on Aug 3, 2006 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

maybe
you could put something classy like ridiculing other people's religious beliefs in your signature.

by tomas21 on Aug 3, 2006 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Al e-mailed me about that
seems like some people don't have the stones to say something to my face.
"Incidentally, Colossus was right and I was wrong about Maddux being dealt." -Al Yellon

by colossus on Aug 3, 2006 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What the hell are you talking about?
When Al has something to say personally he always e-mails people instead of posting here.
"You hit your way on, you don't walk your way on" - Jim Hendry

by VS on Aug 3, 2006 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let me rephrase what I said
when I made my last statement, I didn't mean for it to come out as a swipe at Al.  I meant for it to be directed towards the people who decided to e-mail Al instead of saying it to me directly.

My mistake for making it seem like I was disrespecting Al.

"Incidentally, Colossus was right and I was wrong about Maddux being dealt." -Al Yellon

by colossus on Aug 3, 2006 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or maybe it's how Al
wants us to respond to stuff like that.

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Go Cubbies!

by NC Cubs Fan on Aug 3, 2006 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe
"Incidentally, Colossus was right and I was wrong about Maddux being dealt." -Al Yellon

by colossus on Aug 3, 2006 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

how
do you say something to someones face on a message board?

by tomas21 on Aug 3, 2006 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You probably
teach them what a figure of speech is first.
"Incidentally, Colossus was right and I was wrong about Maddux being dealt." -Al Yellon

by colossus on Aug 3, 2006 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well...
While I did not complain to Al, I did protest when you ridiculed religious beliefs a few days back. 'Having the stones to say it to your face' (my congrats on the sophomoric phrase and challenge) doesn't make any sense; bringing a complaint against your post gave me a string of insensitive and sarcastic remarks.

Someone probably went to Al to avoid the stubborn and condescending reply they would have received from you.

by thekansasian on Aug 3, 2006 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Religion and baseball
Nothing to do with each other.therefore why the singing of god bless america at so many games.is it just to annoy the rest of the world.i love baseball but jingoistic flag waving nonsence is stupid especially as most of the best players aint yanks.  

by scottydog on Aug 3, 2006 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's the message
I was trying to get across.  Baseball and religion have nothing to do together, why not keep it secular?

I said apologized to the person who said I offended them that day.

"Incidentally, Colossus was right and I was wrong about Maddux being dealt." -Al Yellon

by colossus on Aug 3, 2006 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Al
assuming Wood stays next year, should we try to trade Dempster this off season?
"Incidentally, Colossus was right and I was wrong about Maddux being dealt." -Al Yellon

by colossus on Aug 3, 2006 9:31 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Wood and Dempster
Shouldn't we try to trade Dempster, period?
I mean if not Wood let's try Aardsma, but these Dempster innings are driving me nuts.

Wouter

by wpronk on Aug 3, 2006 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like Dempster...
... but I'd say yes, if Wood is re-signed with the intention of making him a reliever, then Wood should be given the closer's role.

Dempster has thrown better lately. His contract is a bit big, but compared to other closers (Wagner, Ryan) it's not that large. I suspect he could bring pretty good trade value.

by Al on Aug 3, 2006 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can't get too far ahead of ourselves here...
I say dealing Dempster is fine, but let's make sure Wood gets through Spring Training first before we give him the closer's role.

Right now the best I'm hoping for is that Wood replaces Bob Novoa.

by theprognosticator on Aug 3, 2006 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Errrrrrrrrrrr wait
I believe you guys are making the same mistake that Hendry has been accused of. Who's to say that Wood will remain healthy even if he is a reliever? I think he should not be given the closer's role at least until he can prove he can stay healthy for a whole year AND dominate again. It would be suicide to take the closer's job from Dempster only to have Wood go on the DL again, or be inefective. Remember the Nasty Boys? Dibble was better than Myers, yet that bullpen thrived exactly because Dibble came in the 8th and Myers in the 9th. I think that Wood and Dempster are very similar to that scenario. And, Dempster has struggled at times this year, but he has not been horrible and given what has happened this year I am willing to give him more of a chance. I mean, look at Foulke, lights out one year then crap the next... it's quite difficult to find a closer who does it every year.

Luis

by Luis on Aug 3, 2006 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dempster seems to be...
More and more of a liability with his "nuts in your stomach," two out, bases loaded, and Albert Pujols at bat in a 3-0 count ninth innings.  I think Wood knows that his time has run out and the only way he can retain his pride is via the bullpen.  Smart, albeit late, move, Mr. Wood.  
I had to fight all my life to survive. They were all against me... but I beat the bastards and left them in the ditch. - Ty Cobb

by Ozgreeder on Aug 3, 2006 9:42 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I also
think Wood should come back as a closer.  If his shoulder is healthy and he can pitch in back to back games, I think he would be lights out.  I'm 38 and remember very well the scheduled double hitters.  My family vacation was usually a double hitter at Wrigley.  Usually against the Dodgers.  Correct me if I'm wrong about this, but I think they used to schedule east vs. west teams in double hitters more often for traveling teams to have more off time to travel.
First Boston, then the White Sox, its now the Cubs turn.

by indytaz on Aug 3, 2006 9:45 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

WGN
are both games going to be on WGN?

by Strickland843 on Aug 3, 2006 9:45 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yes.
This is noted in the main post.

by Al on Aug 3, 2006 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I Missed that part
000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000003333333333

I guess I won't be getting any work done this afternoon

by Strickland843 on Aug 3, 2006 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know how people will respond to this but....
I am going to say it. If all goes well with Wood next year and he proves to be a serviceable closer why not move Dempster to the rotation??? He has pitched OK there and he will be a few more years removed from TJ surgery. Then if he does well he is a cheap starting pitcher to trade.

by Lablover on Aug 3, 2006 9:48 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree

 I thought and still think Dempster should be moved to the rotation. He's had two years to full y recover from his surgery, and while he did "yeoman's work" switching to closer in mid season, our bullpen situation isn't the wasteland it once was. Rather it's our starting pitching which could desperately use a 200 inning back of the rotation guy. Which Dempster was and can easily become again.

 So Lablover, even though I'm a Beagle owner, I'm totally with ya. Good call.

by yahoodi on Aug 3, 2006 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

too many walks
i would prefer he not be in any plans for next year, relief or starting.

by mike bornemann on Aug 3, 2006 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree.
Too many walks and just too scary!  He gives me heartburn when he's on the mound.

by bjcub on Aug 3, 2006 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Then you better ......
not watch marmol today i think there may be a few. Just a guess.

by Lablover on Aug 3, 2006 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also today...
Former <sniff> Cub Greg Maddux makes his first start of the season for the Los Angeles Dodgers.

Good luck Greg. Beat the hell out of Cincinnati.

by theprognosticator on Aug 3, 2006 9:53 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Another thing about Maddux...
We might possibly face him in September when the Dodgers come to town.

That'll be awkward.

by theprognosticator on Aug 3, 2006 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

but how great
would it be for him to face Marshall

We meet again, at last. The circle is now complete. When I met you I was but the learner. Now, I am the master

by flyball on Aug 3, 2006 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

or
From the dawn of time we came; moving silently down through the centuries, living many secret lives, struggling to reach the time of the Gathering; when the few who remain will battle to the last. No one has ever known we were among you... until now.

by Strickland843 on Aug 3, 2006 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i remember`one time we were playing the cards
i think it was two years ago. iirc, marquis was the pitcher for the cards who used to study under maddux in atlanta, really looked up to him. both were pitching well. maddux got on base, and the kid wasn't paying attention so he stole a base. i was pretty excited about that.

though, iirc the marquis then stole a base on maddux later in the game.

by tomas21 on Aug 3, 2006 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And how about this scenario?
We face Maddux's Dodgers in September as they fight for the division and/or Wild Card.

Cubs sweep them. Dodgers don't make it.

So, Hendry trades Maddux to the Dodgers so he gets a chance at the postseason, Cubs are one of the main reasons the Dodgers don't get in.

Or how about this (theoretically)?

Cubs, who are 11 games out of the Wild Card, come storming all the way back (they won't), and sweep the Dodgers en route to a playoff berth. The Dodgers finish out of the running.

Now that, would be hilarious.

by theprognosticator on Aug 3, 2006 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Would not be awkward for Maddux
to face the Cubs. He would use anything he
learned about players against them.
He completely owned the Cubs when he was
with the Braves but sucked against the
Braves when he was with the Cubs

Trust me he will be very polite and complimentary
when he comes in with Dodgers but he will
tell every Dodger pitcher what weaknesses
Murton, Barrett etc have.

I am still going to be sick watching in
#36. I hope Nomar, Furcal and a few of his other
old friends corner Brad Penny in a dark alley
and rip his jersey off

by jessica on Aug 3, 2006 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

When I first
saw the pitching match ups I thought that Simon Templar 'The Saint' was pitching the second game for the Cubs.
President of the Dusty/Hendry Bashers Club aka Cub Fans for a Better Future

by kessinger on Aug 3, 2006 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Doubleheaders
My son's very first game at Wrigley Field was a doubleheader (!) on the 4th of July (!!).  It was probably about 12 years ago against the Rockies.  He was very young and we didn't make it through the second game due to rain delays.  I think game 2 also went into extra innings (maybe it was game 1).  In any event, there was something like 10 hours of on-again, off-again baseball.  Maybe it set some kind of record.  I still have the scorecard (somewhere!)...

by DaveinHouston on Aug 3, 2006 10:10 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Your memory is good.
Retrosheet is your friend.

July 4, 1994 was the date. The Cubs won game 1 in the last of the 9th and lost game 2 in 15 innings.

by Al on Aug 3, 2006 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And even more amazingly...
he's going to today's games as well -- with his sister and g_dfather as they visit friends and family in Illinois.  Sadly, I will be listening via XM at my desk.

by DaveinHouston on Aug 3, 2006 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Doubleheader question
Stupid question, but how are tickets / entry handled for a doubleheader like this? You mention only needing one ticket?

But I would have thought last nights ticket gets you in to the 12:00, then they would clear the stadium and force re-entry for the second game?

Guess that is not done, so how do they control bleacher folks from game 1 w/out game 2 tickets from taking seats away from game 2 bleacher only holding fans?

I'm probably missing something here ...

by t9mike on Aug 3, 2006 10:27 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yes, you are missing something
See, that's what I meant. People today are not used to DH. This is two games for the price of one. Today's ticket is good for both games. Yesterday's tickets are good for refunds.

It's not a split-admission DH, which the Cubs have done on occasion. They have to have a noon game, then a night game, in order to do that.

They wouldn't schedule something like that on short notice (the next day), plus they wouldn't replay a night game on getaway day (which it is for Arizona). The only option, since this is the last day the two teams play this year, is the noon start DH.

by Al on Aug 3, 2006 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Red Sox did something similar this year
They did a split double header on a Sunday after the Saturday game had been rained out.  It was vs the Rangers.  I took the trip out to see Fenway for the first time and was sad when the game got rained out.  Luckily I was still in  Boston on sunday and got to see big papi hit a walk off HR.  

It being a weekend could have had something to do with it.

by JonH on Aug 3, 2006 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fenway
clears the stands between the 2 games of a double header

The Red Sox squeeze every cent out of the fans that they can

by flyball on Aug 3, 2006 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

However...
The Red Sox put a good product on the field every year these days.

As long as they keep fielding winners, I think they can get away with it.

by theprognosticator on Aug 3, 2006 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

no shit
i would love to have the problem of a recent worl champion, playoff team squeezing us for cash.

by mike bornemann on Aug 3, 2006 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think
it's a DH because the Cubs' deal with the city caps the number of night games the team can have each year.

On the final weekend of 2003, the Friday game got rained out and the Saturday game became a regular double-header, not a day/night affair.  There was no getaway problem that year.

All will be fixed in 2006

by DSZ on Aug 3, 2006 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It was a regular DH...
.. because it's getaway day, and they can't schedule a split DH on short notice like that; they'd never get enough vendors, security, ushers, etc. to work.

The Cubs DO have the right, if a night game gets rained out, to reschedule as a split DH on the date of an already-scheduled day game. This has been done at least twice already.

by Al on Aug 3, 2006 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Refund
Hey, does anyone know if it is necessary to return yesterday's ticket for a refund if you have season tickets?  Or do they just credit your account?

This is the first actual rainout I can remember since I have had season tickets....

by 08Cubs on Aug 3, 2006 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks
But my question was whether that policy covered season tickets, or just single game tickets.

This prompted me to check the fine print in my season ticket book, which says that rained out tickets can be exchanged for equal dollar value or will be refunded "upon receipt of the tickets".

Which does indeed suggest that it needs to be mailed in....

by 08Cubs on Aug 3, 2006 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I keep falling into DHs
I have a ticket for today's game and will hopefully be able to make it by the second game (will definitely miss the first due to an appointment), which I'm assuming will start around 3:30 (if Marmol and Cruz collectively walk as many guys as I think they will).

This is almost the exact same situation as the last weekend of 2003, when the Pirates were in town for three games and the Friday game was rained out; the Cubs couldn't do a day-night DH on Saturday (I think because of the Saturday night game restriction, or something), so everybody with Saturday tickets got two games and those with Friday tickets got to use them for a game in 2004. That Saturday was the one the Cubs won the division, and I was lucky enough to have a ticket for that one too. Unfortunately, today's isn't going to be as exciting.

by gauchodirk on Aug 3, 2006 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

pretty bad
but i really have no clue who the heck mateo is.

where did we get him? whats his story?

"Getting the current version of Maddux is a minor help. Losing Izturis, who's just a glove playing out of position on the Dodgers, is a major one. "

by ksucubbie on Aug 3, 2006 10:32 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Dunno much either.....
But what I know about him is that he was taken by the cards in this years rule 5 draft and everyone thought they stole him from us similar to the wholde sisco thing. However they couldn't keep him on their ml roster and sent him back to us. From what I can gather he is a pretty good pitcher in the Z marmol mold.

by Lablover on Aug 3, 2006 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

More Mateo bio
He's 25-11 as a Cub minor leaguer, with an ERA around 3.00.

I guess he took some heat when he showed up at STL spring training for being out of shape.  I'd love to be 'out of shape' at 6'2", 180 lbs.

by Richie Hebner 18 on Aug 3, 2006 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What
according to mlbrumors.com, Andrew Jones will be put on waivers.  I know there is no point for this season, but next season is the last on his contract at 13.5 million.  He can put up some big numbers at Wrigley.  Henry should be all over this.

by cubfaninSTL on Aug 3, 2006 10:35 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

OK...
... first of all, it's mlbtraderumors.com, our favorite site ;) -- not mlbrumors.com.

Putting someone on waivers in August does NOT mean they are letting them go.

Nearly every player in baseball is waived during August, because you need to clear waivers to be traded between July 31 and August 31. This is done, as the mlbtraderumors.com post indicates, to gauge trade interest -- they'll see who puts in claims for him.

Sure, Hendry can call John Schuerholz, but I doubt the Cubs have anything that interests the Braves.

What it does mean is that the Braves are giving up on this season. Expect John Smoltz to possibly be traded too, maybe to the Tigers.

by Al on Aug 3, 2006 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Smoltz to Tigers?
I don't see that happening.   I think that the Red and White Sox and the Yankees, at a minimum, would all put in waiver claims and all have waiver priority over the tigers.   And I think some NL teams would put in waiver claims as well (such as the Reds).

by frustratedfan on Aug 3, 2006 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

replacing
pierre with jones, though unlikely, would solve a lot of problems for next year. i say its unlikely because boston was offering coco crisp and hansen, but atlanta wanted lester too. that is a HUGE asking price, and we couldn't offer anything near that.

his name is hendry, not henry.

many players are put on waivers, but its only to help work a trade. if another team claims them and they can't agree on compensation, the braves can take him off waivers.

by tomas21 on Aug 3, 2006 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Al
Wood says he's done for the season, but he's currently on the 15 Day DL.  Will he be moved to the 60 Day?  It won't make a difference to our 25 man roster, but it would to our 40.

Think it will happen?

"Incidentally, Colossus was right and I was wrong about Maddux being dealt." -Al Yellon

by colossus on Aug 3, 2006 11:14 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Go Cubs X 2
I can't wait for Iowa football!!

by sue369 on Aug 3, 2006 12:09 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Crap!!!
Not a good way to start the game.
I can't wait for Iowa football!!

by sue369 on Aug 3, 2006 12:12 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Did anyone else see....
...that Glendon Rusch was placed on the DL?  Honestly, I think this is a joke.  But it brings up a couple of points.
  1.  If he's so "hurt" why don't they DFA?
  2.  ...Is he really hurt?  And if he's not, can we make sure someone hurts him?

by Krande on Aug 3, 2006 12:14 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Don't believe
that they can DFA someone who is hurt. They have to come off the DL and then be DFA.

by Bill M on Aug 3, 2006 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep. Tennis elbow ...
Probably got it reaching into the drive-through window ...
"The good news is, the Cubs have reached rock bottom. The bad news is, they've started to dig." Bob V., May 2006, WGN Baseball Blog ...

by Littlerock Rynofan on Aug 3, 2006 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He couldn't earn a
baseball elbow.
Players win awards but teams win championships.

by tharr on Aug 3, 2006 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Marmol
is thorwing liek SH*t today...Cant even ge tout of the 1st inning   hes thrown like 50 pitches so far  

by PrimeTime on Aug 3, 2006 12:18 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I
went to get lunch and i come back to this. uggh

by Strickland843 on Aug 3, 2006 12:23 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

It's going
to be a long first game.
I can't wait for Iowa football!!

by sue369 on Aug 3, 2006 12:23 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

What's happening?
Can't get gameday up.
"It's hard to put your finger on it. You have to have a dullness of mind and spirit to play here." --Jim Brosnan

by cubbiejulie on Aug 3, 2006 12:29 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

they scored 5
in the first...
Go Cubbies!

by NC Cubs Fan on Aug 3, 2006 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We are
behind 2-0. Marmol pitched a shitload of pitches and there were walks too.
I can't wait for Iowa football!!

by sue369 on Aug 3, 2006 12:33 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Oops!!
It's 5-0. Sorry.
I can't wait for Iowa football!!

by sue369 on Aug 3, 2006 12:33 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

nice
effort all around on that pop fly

by tomas21 on Aug 3, 2006 12:38 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

long day ahead
I can't wait for Iowa football!!

by sue369 on Aug 3, 2006 12:50 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Marmol has almost 70 pitches
And allowed 6 runs, and he's only past two innings.  This is going to be one helluva long day...
Go Nebraska Football! Beat USC!

by sanantonecub on Aug 3, 2006 12:51 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Anybody else
wonder what Andy Pratt is doing whenever Juan Cruz pitches?  I sure do.  Jim Hendry should be fired.

by cubsbak on Aug 3, 2006 12:57 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeesh
Just ran out to grab lunch--it's really gross out there--like walking into a mist-er. Feels like someone is lightly spitting on you. What a day for a DH.

Incidentally, I just encountered more crazy people in a two-block radius than I usually do in an entire week. One of whom suggested that I was "a scarlett-haired witch" (which didn't really bother me) who "kills babies and made the White Sox win the WS." (okay, the part about the White Sox really freakin' bugged me).

"It's hard to put your finger on it. You have to have a dullness of mind and spirit to play here." --Jim Brosnan

by cubbiejulie on Aug 3, 2006 1:01 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

i've
never been called a scarlet-haired witch before. i hope i can keep it that way.

by tomas21 on Aug 3, 2006 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

you should hop on over
to Wells street today. All the crazies are out.

Loop= looney bin.

"It's hard to put your finger on it. You have to have a dullness of mind and spirit to play here." --Jim Brosnan

by cubbiejulie on Aug 3, 2006 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually
now that I think about it, that's the SECOND time in my life I've been called a red-headed witch.I had a crazy criminal client who refused to let me or my friend represent her because we were a "a coven of red-headed witches."

Wow, I guess it must just be me.

"It's hard to put your finger on it. You have to have a dullness of mind and spirit to play here." --Jim Brosnan

by cubbiejulie on Aug 3, 2006 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hunh
If I ever needed a lawyer, I would definitely pick one who was also a witch.  You never know what cool mystical witch tricks she could pull to save your bacon.  Put spells on the jury and all that stuff.

by Jesse Guam on Aug 3, 2006 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I won't lie,
being a witch definitely comes in handy in the courtroom. Just yesterday, I turned a judge who looked at me sideways into a newt.
"It's hard to put your finger on it. You have to have a dullness of mind and spirit to play here." --Jim Brosnan

by cubbiejulie on Aug 3, 2006 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think you'd get a lot more clients
...if you promoted this more.  Say, if you started the "Coven of Red-Haired Witches" law firm.  Lots of clients.

by Jesse Guam on Aug 3, 2006 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yabbut
It's always a hassle to get insurance once they know you're a witch. Something about bubbling cauldrons makes them all nervous.
"It's hard to put your finger on it. You have to have a dullness of mind and spirit to play here." --Jim Brosnan

by cubbiejulie on Aug 3, 2006 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

andy pratt =
worst pitcher ever. had an ERA over 20 with the cubs. his pitcher were, literally, like something from wild thing in "makor league", before he got his glasses.

i just looked him up. he's till in the brewers system, had a whip of 2! in AA and AAA last year.

juan cruz looked SO good when he firs came up, but he's another case of someone who was ruined to an extent by being jerked around so much between rotation and bullpen and AAA and mlb.

by tomas21 on Aug 3, 2006 1:03 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I have no idea what you mean by this:
"another case of someone who was ruined to an extent by being jerked around so much between rotation and bullpen and AAA and mlb."

You are clearly thinking of some other team.

"It's hard to put your finger on it. You have to have a dullness of mind and spirit to play here." --Jim Brosnan

by cubbiejulie on Aug 3, 2006 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Braves flipped
Cruz for Tim Hudson 9 months after the Cubs traded him for Andy Pratt.  That tells you all you need to know about Schurholtz and Hendry.

by cubsbak on Aug 3, 2006 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, that about sums it up
n/t
"It's hard to put your finger on it. You have to have a dullness of mind and spirit to play here." --Jim Brosnan

by cubbiejulie on Aug 3, 2006 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not sure about that
I'm not sure if Juan Cruz would've ever been a good MLB pitcher no matter how he was handled.  But the Cubs soured on him and then just dumped him (and Steve Smyth) for Pratt.  Given that the Braves ended up trading him and some junk for Hudson just 9 months later, it's hard to believe the Cubs couldn't've gotten something more for him than a guy who couldn't throw a strike and then got sent to Milwaukee for Ben Grieve.  

by cubsbak on Aug 3, 2006 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hard to call
Danny Haren junk.  That was a great trade by Billy Beane.  Hudson (and Mulder) are not their former selves.
"Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!" -Homer J. Simpson

by Whitebacon on Aug 3, 2006 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

OK then
Joe Blanton.

Either way.

"Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!" -Homer J. Simpson

by Whitebacon on Aug 5, 2006 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

A 5 pitch inning for Marmol!
Where was this guy the first two innings of the game!?
Go Nebraska Football! Beat USC!

by sanantonecub on Aug 3, 2006 1:04 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

anyone
want to see a picture of my daughter? she's really cute, but i don't know if its possible to post a picture.

by tomas21 on Aug 3, 2006 1:16 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

If you really want to do this...
... I'd suggest using photobucket or flickr or another photo posting site, and then posting a link here.

by Al on Aug 3, 2006 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

we need to
get our bats going here.
I can't wait for Iowa football!!

by sue369 on Aug 3, 2006 1:17 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

We don't need bats,
all we need are slick-fielding speedsters.
"It's hard to put your finger on it. You have to have a dullness of mind and spirit to play here." --Jim Brosnan

by cubbiejulie on Aug 3, 2006 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

wow
there are some really bad movies on WGN this weekend

by Strickland843 on Aug 3, 2006 1:27 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

why the hell
are we the only team that cant hit off of Cruz...

by PrimeTime on Aug 3, 2006 1:43 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Hey! We Scored!
Wooohoo!
"It's hard to put your finger on it. You have to have a dullness of mind and spirit to play here." --Jim Brosnan

by cubbiejulie on Aug 3, 2006 1:46 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Am I the only one..
disturbed by Aardsma's gameday picture?

by BadGuy on Aug 3, 2006 2:01 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

no...
It's kind of a long-running joke here.

by false cognate on Aug 3, 2006 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

hmmm
must of missed it.

by BadGuy on Aug 3, 2006 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well,
it has been a while since we've seen him in a game.

by false cognate on Aug 3, 2006 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Welcome back, Mark Grace?
While I believe Mark Grace is one of the most underrated players in recent memory, I've never understood the depth of his split with the Cubs.

In any event, the thawing of the relationship appears to be starting.  Grace is going to sing during the 7th inning of Game 2 this afternoon.

All will be fixed in 2006

by DSZ on Aug 3, 2006 2:03 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

when
he will undoubtable Sing "Root root root for the Diamondbacks"

he was pissed that they didn't offer him a contract, and refuses to come to anything as long as those who were involved in the non-deal are still working for the Cubs, maybe he should take a page from the Greg Maddux forgive and forget playbook

by flyball on Aug 3, 2006 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Grace will always be a Cub
He'll be around and pulling for the team long after all the fools who tried to turn a genuine folk hero into a fool. Time is on his side.
Players win awards but teams win championships.

by tharr on Aug 3, 2006 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He made a nice start back
by singing root root root for the Cubb-ies!

by LT on Aug 3, 2006 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can someone explain to me
Why we're taking Aardsma out of the game after one half-inning and 13 pitches, when there's still atleast 10 more innings to play today???
Go Nebraska Football! Beat USC!

by sanantonecub on Aug 3, 2006 2:11 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

probably....
so he can pitch in game 2

by Lablover on Aug 3, 2006 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is Grace going to sing from HI-TOPS??
Just askin.'

by Smooth Jazz Man San Diego on Aug 3, 2006 2:19 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

9-1....oh my
I can't wait for Iowa football!!

by sue369 on Aug 3, 2006 2:26 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

is Brenly
really considered a "guest" conductor?

by Strickland843 on Aug 3, 2006 2:28 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

at least
he has the guy who can't sing part down

by Strickland843 on Aug 3, 2006 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

good thing Bob
has a day job.
I can't wait for Iowa football!!

by sue369 on Aug 3, 2006 2:28 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

About time that
Theriot gets to play...

by airweino on Aug 3, 2006 2:42 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

yep
I can't wait for Iowa football!!

by sue369 on Aug 3, 2006 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Eric Byrnes ...
disgruntled bat thumper.  I wonder what he'd be like if the D-backs were losing?
"The good news is, the Cubs have reached rock bottom. The bad news is, they've started to dig." Bob V., May 2006, WGN Baseball Blog ...

by Littlerock Rynofan on Aug 3, 2006 2:45 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

why is theriot up &
not fontenot?

iirc fontenot had better numbers @ iowa, and is a year younger.  just curious.

Forget Zito, Soriano, Schmidt & Lee.

by CubFaninCA on Aug 3, 2006 2:46 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Because Fontenot can only play 2b
as far as I know, while Theriot is more versatile.

That's the only reason that I can come up with anyway since yeah, Fontenot's numbers are clearly better.

"You hit your way on, you don't walk your way on" - Jim Hendry

by VS on Aug 3, 2006 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah
need that depth.  Only have 3 guys who can play SS, and I think the entire roster can play 2b.
Forget Zito, Soriano, Schmidt & Lee.

by CubFaninCA on Aug 3, 2006 3:01 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The wild card
could come out of the West?  What is this world coming to.

Anyone know when game 2 starts??

by cubsbak on Aug 3, 2006 3:24 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Good thing
that Neifi (the future) has been playing second and not Theriot.
President of the Dusty/Hendry Bashers Club aka Cub Fans for a Better Future

by kessinger on Aug 3, 2006 3:24 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

well that was
just lovely.
I can't wait for Iowa football!!

by sue369 on Aug 3, 2006 3:25 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Exactly What Does Theriot Have To Do
to get this imbecile Dusty Baker to play him instead of Neifi F. Perez?  Newsflash Dusty:  The season is over.  PLAY THE KIDS!!!!!!  
One day, the dream will come true.

by brianp88 on Aug 3, 2006 3:25 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

he must not
get it.
I can't wait for Iowa football!!

by sue369 on Aug 3, 2006 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Integrity
When Dusty was given his as-of-yet unannounced renewal and the public promise of having until the end of the season, Hendry also said that Dusty was to play young players.  

But when in a similar situation last year, Dusty said that "integrity" was important and that the Cubs owed it to the other teams to put a "real" (i.e. veteran) team on the field.  Hence, no rest for Pierre (to see if Pagan's can play CF), no Theriot (since Neffi's a "real" second base veteran) and heaven forbid that a Restovich or the like is called up to play first instead of Nevin or Mabry.

Its "integrity" which apparently is just another word for play the old guys and don't find out what the young guys can do (unless they are pitchers - in which case you try the real young guys and ignore the younger guys with MLB experience).

by frustratedfan on Aug 3, 2006 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Any thoughts
on how Juan Mateo will do?
I can't wait for Iowa football!!

by sue369 on Aug 3, 2006 3:36 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Hmmm
Gameday still says 10-2. Maybe we'll just keep adding on to that score instead of starting over.
"It's hard to put your finger on it. You have to have a dullness of mind and spirit to play here." --Jim Brosnan

by cubbiejulie on Aug 3, 2006 4:01 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

This kid
looked pretty good in that first inning.  Let's hope he keeps it up.  The AA guys tend to do better than the AAA guys so I'm hopeful.

by cubsbak on Aug 3, 2006 4:03 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

good first inning
for Mateo. Hope he can go for many innings today.
I can't wait for Iowa football!!

by sue369 on Aug 3, 2006 4:03 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Mateo
looked good that first inning, Topped out at 93 MPH, he worked his pitches all around the plate..All three outs grounded to phil nevin..keep it up mateo

by PrimeTime on Aug 3, 2006 4:03 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

good job Ryan!!!
I can't wait for Iowa football!!

by sue369 on Aug 3, 2006 4:08 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

YAY!!!
one run in.
I can't wait for Iowa football!!

by sue369 on Aug 3, 2006 4:13 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

wooohooo
3-0 Cubs
I can't wait for Iowa football!!

by sue369 on Aug 3, 2006 4:14 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

WORSE
lineup

ever

mateo has no chance of winning

Forget Zito, Soriano, Schmidt & Lee.

by CubFaninCA on Aug 3, 2006 4:14 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

like i said
great lineup
Forget Zito, Soriano, Schmidt & Lee.

by CubFaninCA on Aug 3, 2006 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL!!
I can't wait for Iowa football!!

by sue369 on Aug 3, 2006 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mateo's Gameday photo
might be the worst one yet.
"It's hard to put your finger on it. You have to have a dullness of mind and spirit to play here." --Jim Brosnan

by cubbiejulie on Aug 3, 2006 4:21 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

It looks
like the sun was in his eyes in that picture.
I can't wait for Iowa football!!

by sue369 on Aug 3, 2006 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He looks like
he should be manning the spit at a luau.
"It's hard to put your finger on it. You have to have a dullness of mind and spirit to play here." --Jim Brosnan

by cubbiejulie on Aug 3, 2006 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

hahaha
I can't wait for Iowa football!!

by sue369 on Aug 3, 2006 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

A kerry wood sighting
In the booth..

by bugman on Aug 3, 2006 4:33 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Well, kids
that's it for me. I'm off on vacation starting tommorrow and all of next week with no access to my beloved Cubs. Don't forget to throw a non-baseball diary up there and think of me a couple of days next week.

Later.

"It's hard to put your finger on it. You have to have a dullness of mind and spirit to play here." --Jim Brosnan

by cubbiejulie on Aug 3, 2006 4:34 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

have fun
I can't wait for Iowa football!!

by sue369 on Aug 3, 2006 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So if Ronny
is being taught to play second, why is he at short today?

by cubsbak on Aug 3, 2006 4:36 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

it's a doubleheader?
Forget Zito, Soriano, Schmidt & Lee.

by CubFaninCA on Aug 3, 2006 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

How hard is Mateo throwing??
Someone posted he got up to 93.... Has he thrown anything harder?
Forget Zito, Soriano, Schmidt & Lee.

by CubFaninCA on Aug 3, 2006 4:36 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Orange guy...
Who says he can't hit RHP?

by false cognate on Aug 3, 2006 4:50 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

keep upping that
trade value matt.

maybe dusty will start you against clemens or oswalt, if u keep it up against righties.

Forget Zito, Soriano, Schmidt & Lee.

by CubFaninCA on Aug 3, 2006 4:53 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Error #17
for Cedeno.  Can't hit or field.  At least he doesn't cost much!
Forget Zito, Soriano, Schmidt & Lee.

by CubFaninCA on Aug 3, 2006 5:10 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Murton
comes through again!
President of the Dusty/Hendry Bashers Club aka Cub Fans for a Better Future

by kessinger on Aug 3, 2006 5:28 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Murton...
All of you Murton haters can kiss my big fat white ass!

The guy was doomed by his manager's inept or non-existant ability to teach a young player anything or maximize the production of their inherent attributes (such as Murton's pitch recognition and ability to get on base) and his crazy, counter-productive lineups... and then never given a chance by most Cubs fans in the seats and even here because he's not going to hit probably even 20 homers in a season.

I'll be very happy to say I've stuck with him when a smarter organization with smarter fans eventually give him a chance.

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by jameslcrockett on Aug 3, 2006 5:47 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

good one
I'll do that... and then you could what? kiss my big fat latin ass? whatever works for you, amigo!
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by jameslcrockett on Aug 3, 2006 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

smarter fans lol
stfu

he's beating up on a guy w/ 11 major appearances.
good for him and all, but get off baker's ass. be happy baker doesn't let murton get owned by guys like clemens and oswalt.

Forget Zito, Soriano, Schmidt & Lee.

by CubFaninCA on Aug 3, 2006 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ok...
have you looked Matt Murton's numbers with the exception of one month in June?

If you're saying you don't want that at the top of your lineup instead of batting behind Angel Pagan and Phil Nevin and Neifi Perez, then you're a one-legged man trying to enter an ass-kicking contest.

...and because I actually want this team to win in the next 100 years, these guys (Murton, Theriot, Cedeno, Pagan, etc.) have to get at-bats against the Oswalts and Clemens and Carpenters, etc... they've got to learn how to do it sometime, because the Tribune isn't going to go buy anybody who can do it anytime soon.

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by jameslcrockett on Aug 3, 2006 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

also...
they don't have a single coach on their team (including Dusty) who's ever, ever, ever, ever taught a young hitter how to do it... so they've got to be in the lineup and actually doing it.

Seriously name one young hitter ever developed under Dusty Baker's leadership.

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by jameslcrockett on Aug 3, 2006 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rich Aurelia
for one.  Matt Williams would be another.

by jazzman56 on Aug 3, 2006 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Matt Williams...
who had 121 homers including two 30 HR seasons before Dusty Baker got to San Francisco? Matt Williams' "explosion" had much more to do with Barry Bonds' arrival in San Francisco than Dusty Baker.

I'll let Baker's claim to fame be Rich Aurilia... and would be ecstatic if his claim to fame here were Matt Murton, not that I would ever let him take credit for it.

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by jameslcrockett on Aug 3, 2006 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Matt Williams in the Minors
Matt also played in AAA way too long since 3rd was taken in SF.  I used to watch him in Phoenix year after year and couldn't figure out why he wasn't in the show.  Once he was called up he showed what a mistake that was.
I want my Macias!

by wombat on Aug 3, 2006 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Matt Williams..
...has always given Dusty Baker a ton of credit for his development as a hitter.  As has Will Clark, for that matter.

If Barry Bonds arrival was responsible for Matt William's "explosion" as a hitter, how come Matty had a monster year in 1999 as a member of the D'Backs?

by jazzman56 on Aug 3, 2006 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've only been able to see a few games...
..and I would really like to see Murton pan out.  However, I can see where some of the Murton haters get their ammunition.  He is really a mediocre player on a bad team.  At this point, if Murton were playing on virtually any other team, he would be the #5 outfielder.

His stats mainly are where they are because he is normally used in situations that are optimum for his success.  In the games that I have seen he has shown me that he isn't a very good outfielder.  His initial reaction to the ball is slow and he often moves in the wrong direction initially.  There are a lot of balls hit his way that drop in for base hits when they should have been outs.

I understand that he is a rookie and could develop a pretty decent game.  I am only stating that I can see where they come up with their view of him.  

Even though I hope that Murton continues to improve and hope that he has a good career (with the Cubs), it is a career that should be one of a low-income 4th (or platoon) outfielder.

"They X-Rayed my head and found nothing." - Jerome "Dizzy" Dean

by santo for prez on Aug 3, 2006 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

optimum?
is batting sixth with the Cubs putrid lower-half of the lineup behind him optimum for his success?

I haven't watched Angel Pagan enough to say whether he'd be better in left or right than Murton... but I can say for certainty that Phil Nevin and John Mabry aren't.

Also... his stats say he's a far better hitter at home than on the road... yet, he's got 35 more at-bats on the road than at the Friendly Confines, and he's played in 11 more games.

His OBP at home is .380... I would love it if someone could come up with r/l splits for his home games... but that's got to be at the top of THIS lineup.

Not every lineup in baseball, but on this team that's going nowhere... that OBP has to be at the top of the order somewhere.

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by jameslcrockett on Aug 3, 2006 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ask and ye shall receive
(BA/OBP/SLG)

at home vs. RHP: 313/375/361
at home vs. LHP: 307/392/443

away vs. RHP: 246/298/325
away vs. LHP: 318/404/409

by false cognate on Aug 3, 2006 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

false...
damn... that's even better than I thought. What about PAs and the source, because I would love to look that up for myself. Thanks

p.s. is that just this year or over his career?

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by jameslcrockett on Aug 3, 2006 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

straight from MLB player stats page
There's a little dropdown menu that lets you do some basic splits digging. No info on PAs, though.

The splits above are just this year. Not sure how to get it to look at career or past seasons while doing splits.

by false cognate on Aug 3, 2006 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

False....
awesome. thanks. I was thinking that's where you got it, but you saved me the searching for it.

Because I'm already on there for fantasy sports a lot, I usually use Yahoo! for my Matt Murton defense artillery. lol But it looks like I'll have to give MLB more of a look from now on.

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by jameslcrockett on Aug 3, 2006 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sigh
Virtually any other team the 5th outfielder?  That's a crazy statement and you know it (or should know it).  Early this year, it was shown that he's on a par with the LF on a number of teams in contention for the playoffs.   On a lot of teams he's a starter, and on most of the rest, he's the fourth outfielder.  

by frustratedfan on Aug 3, 2006 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just like so many things in the media...
...people only respond to the parts that they want to and ignore the rest.  

I hope to see Matt Murton succeed.  I hope that he stays with the Cubs and they give him a chance to improve.  At this point IMO (based on the fact that I have only seen a few games), I see him as a * #4 or #5 * outfielder.  

Maybe it is only the games that I have seen, his reaction to balls has been horrible.  IMO a LF with poor judgement is more detrimental to a ballclub than a 2B with a mediocre glove.  A misjudged ball in left leads to extra bases.

"They X-Rayed my head and found nothing." - Jerome "Dizzy" Dean

by santo for prez on Aug 3, 2006 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ummm....
be happy baker doesn't let murton get owned by guys like clemens and oswalt.

Guys who hit RHP well get owned by Clemens and Oswalt. Might as well let Murton try; he's doing well enough vs. RHP, especially compared to who else we've got.

by false cognate on Aug 3, 2006 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

More Matt Murton
yes... he does have one of the lower OBPs on the team against RHPs... I can't dispute that... but it is .332, which Neifi Perez certainly can't even touch, yet he's batting him second while Murton languishes in the lower half of the lineup, getting on base in a rather meaningless fashion.

There's nobody who could even claim they've even given him the shot to do it... he's had a total of 19 abs above 5th in the order.

Yet we're supposed to accept Baker has done even a passable job managing him or anybody else on this team.

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by jameslcrockett on Aug 3, 2006 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I checked out the site..
.."Just North of Wrigley Field".

Just curious, when people who have their own blog come onto another blog site.....is that their way of admitting that
a) they have huge egos but no one seems to show them the love
b) they know that no one cares enough about what "they" think and so they have to find another way to convince people that they know it all.

"They X-Rayed my head and found nothing." - Jerome "Dizzy" Dean

by santo for prez on Aug 3, 2006 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

talk about egos
How big is your ego to sit here and try to analyze someone on a personal level you've never met?

Not to mention the complete lunacy of comparing my blog to this site.

Man, this season is making every Cubs fan completely nuts.

I've been with Al before I started a blog, I'll be here after I stop writing my blog (which is pretty much where I stand now) and in the middle I don't have to explain a damn thing to anybody.

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by jameslcrockett on Aug 3, 2006 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

kind of uncalled for
in my opinion. Man, millions of people have their own blogs. Does that mean they shouldn't read any other blogs? Some people write because they like to write, not because they're looking for an audience. And some people like to discuss things with other like-minded people. Bleed Cubbie Blue has had a huge leg up on other Cubs blogs in terms of readership simply by virtue of being part of the SB Nation family.

Plus your question is pretty loaded. It's like asking, "When did you stop beating your wife?"

by false cognate on Aug 3, 2006 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess that is just the frustration in me..
...on many levels.
  1. I'm sooooo ready to come home
  2. I haven't had a day off in almost a year (with the exception of R&R)
  3. I haven't had less than a 12-hour day in almost a year.
  4. I used to work in advertising and I see him linking his blog like that as being a way to advertise for free (I hate free-loading)
  5. Everyone else has done so much bitching and arguing on here lately that I thought I earned that right as well,
  6. If a person wants to start their own thing then do it right damn it pay,for the advertising.
I'm not a lawyer, but if he's gonna advertise his site on here for free then the rest of the ads on this page should be free.  There has got to be a violation here somewhere.
"They X-Rayed my head and found nothing." - Jerome "Dizzy" Dean

by santo for prez on Aug 3, 2006 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Santo...
I think you're thinking about this too much... if you look at the list in the right... it's already up there... and I don't make any money off my site... there's no advertising there... I get literally nothing from my site. That blog served a purpose for me and I could care less whether you or anybody else goes there... but you should already know all this since you said you went and checked out my site, not that you had anything constructive to bring to this whole conversation.

In every comment box, on every blog or site or whatever, there's a place to put a link. Links are what make the internet work.

How about you bring it up to Al and see what he says about it... It his his site, you know. Don't you think you should have done that first before thinking anybody would give a damn what you think about what people can and can't do with the internet.

And just so you know... Al himself, put my link up on this website..., along with everybody else in the Cubs Blog Army, which I am a proud member even if my blog is a piece of shit. It's been there since the inception of Bleed Cubbie Blue. My link has been in my signature since I started posting here just like I posted at his previous sites.

You're still jibber-jabbering about stuff nobody cares about, but you.

And now I'm guilty of the same damn thing, but at least I'm not being the kind of disrespectful you were being.

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by jameslcrockett on Aug 3, 2006 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You are right...
..."but at least I'm not being the kind of disrespectful you were being."

You aren't disrespectful, "then you're a one-legged man trying to enter an ass-kicking contest."

All I'm saying is that when people throw stats and such you keep coming back with why they are wrong and other people's opinions of Murton are wrong.  That is the reason for the ego quote, and this is IMO. So if you don't like that then tough shit.

"They X-Rayed my head and found nothing." - Jerome "Dizzy" Dean

by santo for prez on Aug 3, 2006 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Santo..
that was a response to him telling me to stfu. It was well warranted. I didn't say a damn thing to you.
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by jameslcrockett on Aug 3, 2006 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who?
"They X-Rayed my head and found nothing." - Jerome "Dizzy" Dean

by santo for prez on Aug 3, 2006 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

well...
maybe you should read it all before you get involved.
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by jameslcrockett on Aug 3, 2006 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I remember reading the stfu...
...but I couldn't find it quickly.  I didn't realize that it was such a big deal to ask who?  I am sorry your holiness that I was not worthy of an answer.  I am also busy preparing our redeployment and going "back" through posts is kind of time consuming.
"They X-Rayed my head and found nothing." - Jerome "Dizzy" Dean

by santo for prez on Aug 3, 2006 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Matt's a worker
And it has been playing off.  They need to build the team around his work ethic.  Way to go Matt!!!
I want my Macias!

by wombat on Aug 3, 2006 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Murton
Murton is 24 yrs old. He's a rookie. His stats aren't bad. What more do people want? Murton's not what's wrong with this team, and I'd like to see him get a chance to develop as a player with the Cubs. It's so rare that the organization allows a young hitter to work on his game and blossom into a star.

Murton is on pace to hit about 8 homers. Isn't that the number of homers Raffy hit before they traded him? (OK, I know he later juiced up, but he had legit power for a few years, I imagine).

Don't give up too early on hitters who have a good idea of the strike zone, that's all I'm saying.

by ExNorthsider on Aug 3, 2006 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

quick check of the stats
shows that of all Cubs players this year with 50 or more ABs vs. RHP, he is 8th in OBP, batting 273/330/361. Of outfielders, he is 3rd behind Jones and Pierre.

by false cognate on Aug 3, 2006 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

correction
7th; they have Walker's stats split into 2B and 1B so I counted him twice. Also, D. Lee was in there with 91 ABs, so if you take him out, 6th.

by false cognate on Aug 3, 2006 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

fine
put him in there, but don't cry when his numbers drop.  Murton's 23rd in RC27 amongst LF's with 225 at-bats.  His numbers would be fine for a SS or 2b, not fine for LF.  That's what you Mattlovers gotta get through your heads, and he needs to be better defensively too.
Forget Zito, Soriano, Schmidt & Lee.

by CubFaninCA on Aug 3, 2006 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

doesn't tell the whole story
How many LFs are 1. rookies? 2. bat in his position in the lineup? 3. bat in a lineup that horrible?
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by jameslcrockett on Aug 3, 2006 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also...
I'm not a johnny-come-lately to this discussion. I've said from the beginning (when it was evident we had something) that I could care less what his stats are. If they go up or down against the Clemenses, that's fine...

I want to see him display the skills he's shown with the bat and his eye. The skills he consistently showed last year and the beginning of this year... and I watched him during June and I didn't see them as disappeared... To me, he just swung a little more often against some of the better pitchers and it didn't happen for him. That's going to happen to every major leaguer in baseball at some time during his career.

It obviously did nothing for this team to start the guy they were starting while Murton sat on the bench. They couldn't have lost more games, not that it would have mattered if they had.

And Murton sitting on the bench does absolutely nothing for his development. The one in 10 chances he'll come up with something positive against a tough rhp, will make him that much better when they bring a manager who will know what to do with him.

He can't learn anything riding the pine... especially not with this coaching staff. Every single one of them is only capable of further retarding a player's development... i.e. Corey Patterson, doing just fine in Baltimore under the tutelage of Sammy Perlozzo.

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by jameslcrockett on Aug 3, 2006 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

so you don't
want to see what pagan can do?
Forget Zito, Soriano, Schmidt & Lee.

by CubFaninCA on Aug 3, 2006 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pagan
Did I say that? I just like what I see in Murton much more than him. I see more power and more plate discipline in Murton... I don't value his defense anywhere near as much as Murton's offense, which may or may not get better with a better coaching staff and experience.

I don't see it as an either/or situation. I would try to play both of them as much as possible in the situations which would allow both of them to succeed.

I could also be completely full of crap, because I've spent a total of 30 minutes in a MLB clubhouse in my entire life.

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by jameslcrockett on Aug 3, 2006 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

and they are both
playing in situations that allow them to succeed, so why you bitching about murton's "lack of playing time?"

apparently, you want it both ways. anything to rip baker a new one even though he knows A LOT more about putting people in positions to succeed.

Forget Zito, Soriano, Schmidt & Lee.

by CubFaninCA on Aug 3, 2006 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

How much more
could Dusty know when he can give absolutely no rationale for batting low OBP people at the top of the lineup. Or how about his successful use of Rusch or perhaps you can explain his use of Hawkins as a closer. Maybe you can justify Baker's mindset, but rational fans seem to disagree.
Players win awards but teams win championships.

by tharr on Aug 4, 2006 1:14 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pagan
He's 25 and was nothing special in the minors, so I don't envision him being anything else than a 4th outfielder, which hey, is perfectly fine.  I don't mind him getting the occasional start, but how about him filling in for Jones who has been struggling instead of the surging Murton? I doubt Dusty would start two rookies in the outfield in the same game.
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by VS on Aug 3, 2006 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pagan
I would love to see what Pagan can do.  In Centerfield.  It would be great to see if he can play defense and maybe show some hitting spark.  IF so, then the Cubs don't have to overpay for the ridiculously overvalued Juan Pierre.

by frustratedfan on Aug 4, 2006 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So then his numbers for a rookies
aren't acceptable.
.294 BA
.358 OBP
28/40 BB/K
.988 F%

Look at the numbers of the current LF in the NL and you'll notice that Murton's numbers are at least equal to the best of them, Alou, Bonds,Soriano, Dunn, Gonzalez. The only deficiency is his lack of comparable power but he has a much better batting eye than most all the others. Many claim the power will come around.

Perhaps you can tell us who you would prefer playing LF for the Cubs nowadays?

Players win awards but teams win championships.

by tharr on Aug 3, 2006 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Again
he's a beneficiary of Baker sitting him against tough righties.  Those numbers probably wouldn't be as good.  Starting to remind me a little of Choi, actually.

I'll take 15 of these guys over Murton.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/batting?seasonType=2&type=reg&sort=OPS&minpa=225& ;split=0&season=2006&pos=lf&hand=a&league=mlb&ageMin=17&ageMax=51

Forget Zito, Soriano, Schmidt & Lee.

by CubFaninCA on Aug 3, 2006 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So the cubs win
and Cubfan is still ripping the young players.
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Brian: - "Peter, those are Cheerios." - Family Guy

by VS on Aug 3, 2006 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Unless you
compare their rookie year numers against Murton's you're refusing to look at the facts. And he's projected to get over 450 AB this year. Obviously he's not missed too many RH starters.

But go ahead and make you mind up without being befuddled by facts. To compare him to Choi is just outrageous. But again, I ask, just who on the team would you prefer to see in LF?

Players win awards but teams win championships.

by tharr on Aug 4, 2006 1:06 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Age and Experience
If you compare many of these players to Murton at the same relative point in their career, Murton comes out ahead.   Even "superstar" Soriano, at the same relative point in his career had similar numbers.  But many Cub fans are into instant gratification (and some are delusional, like the Cub fan on WGN last night who insisted the Cubs were still in strong playoff contention).

by frustratedfan on Aug 4, 2006 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

gracey
sounded like he was on a job interview, no?
August Moon / Oh! I got a boil on my leg! -- Jack Kerouac (American Haikus)

by kjk on Aug 3, 2006 6:11 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Matt has had
a great game today. I like him as a player too.
I can't wait for Iowa football!!

by sue369 on Aug 3, 2006 6:13 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The
first Cub since Billy Williams in 1969 to have four doubles in one game. Say what you will about who's pitching to him he still has to hit the ball in play.
President of the Dusty/Hendry Bashers Club aka Cub Fans for a Better Future

by kessinger on Aug 3, 2006 6:19 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Mateo Mateo Mateo!!!
Cubs Win! Cubs Win! Cubs Win!

I'll take the split of the day/series.  Who's next Pittsburgh?

Go Nebraska Football! Beat USC!

by sanantonecub on Aug 3, 2006 6:32 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Nice win !!
for the Cubs. Matt, Ryan and Juan Mateo were great.
I can't wait for Iowa football!!

by sue369 on Aug 3, 2006 6:32 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Credit also....
given to Phil Nevin, Angel Pagan, and our bullpen boys Wuertz, Eyre, Howry and Demp.

Not going to leave them out just because the rookies  stole the show.

and they better be in the lineup tomorrow. I think every Cubs fan should agree they need the chance to show what they can do.

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by jameslcrockett on Aug 3, 2006 6:37 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I would PARTICULARLY insist...
... on seeing the kids this weekend, when the Pirates, a noncontending team, are the opponent.

by Al on Aug 3, 2006 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whoever Mike is...
I hope he's your son, and is under 10 years old.
Who doesn't know that a double header has only one ticket?
Typical of the fans on this site and their knowledge I presume.

by jdoolsiu on Aug 3, 2006 7:02 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Day/Night doubleheaders
Do in fact have two tickets and many doubleheaders in this day and age are of that variety(although today was not one).
Typical of the trolls on this site and their knowledge I presume.
Chicks dig the bunt out.

by akcubfan on Aug 3, 2006 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Darn it all ...
I thought Chicks dig the drag bunt....  this explains a lot ... < sigh >
August Moon / Oh! I got a boil on my leg! -- Jack Kerouac (American Haikus)

by kjk on Aug 3, 2006 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Be careful here.
If you've read this site for a while, you know Mark is my son, and yes, he is ten.

If you haven't read this site and didn't know that, that's understandable, but don't throw around remarks like "typical of the fans on this site and their knowledge". Not only is that not true, it's insulting.

by Al on Aug 3, 2006 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cedeno
yes he had an error today, but that is only the fifth error in his last 50 games. I'll take that from a rookie shortstop. His bat's another story, but I never expected much there anyway... he's still so much better than Neifi Perez, it's sick.
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by jameslcrockett on Aug 3, 2006 7:12 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

i think
murton could be our left-fielder if we still had a powerful middle infield with nomar and walker.

with cedeno/neifi/theriot/izturis as our middle, and pierre in center, we simply have to get more power out of left, no matter how good his obp is.

by tomas21 on Aug 3, 2006 7:34 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

valid point, Tomas
I do disagree with you. I value OBP more than SLG% especially on a team that already has Derrek Lee, Aramis Ramirez and Michael Barrett.

I wouldn't my interest in Murton succeeding for the Cubs let that stop the Cubs from acquiring Carlos Lee, Manny Ramirez, etc. I would support trading him for a marked upgrade on left field.

But I would still give Murton regular at bats platooning with Jacque Jones, who could even move over to play center to get him even more at-bats.

In fact, I'd love to see what Murton could do as the team's leadoff hitter and then go get a centerfielder who can hit such as Vernon Wells, who I don't know is available or not, just name I'm throwing out there.

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by jameslcrockett on Aug 3, 2006 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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