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Andruw Jones claimed on waviers...but who?

..via ESPN.com (Yahoo doesn't have the story yet)

Andruw Jones claimed on waivers; 10-5 rights loom

First Paragraph..

"With Andruw Jones only days away from gaining trade veto power, the All-Star center fielder was claimed on waivers by an unnamed team, leaving the Braves until 1 p.m. ET Saturday to decide whether to take their last opportunity to deal Jones unfettered." -Buster Olney

Who could it be, now?

(Sorry if this is a duplicate diary...please feel free to BOO)

Star-divide

From the AJC:

HOW WAIVERS WORK

-To be traded after July 31, a player must first clear waivers.

-Teams can put up to seven players on the waiver list per day.

-A player has three full working days (Monday through Friday) to clear.

-Teams can claim players in reverse order of the standings based on winning percentage.

-If a player is claimed, he can be withdrawn. Sometimes the teams then work out a deal anyway, which is allowed.

-Teams often put in claims to block potential deals involving a team they are competing with for a playoff spot.

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of SB Nation or Al Yellon, managing editor (unless it's a FanPost posted by Al). FanPost opinions are valued expressions of opinion by passionate and knowledgeable baseball fans.

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Cubs
had one of the 1st dibs right?
Forget Zito, Soriano, Schmidt & Lee.

by CubFaninCA on Aug 4, 2006 2:09 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Not sure but..
..the Atlanta Journal-Constitution seems to think it will be the Red Sox:

Surprised Jones put on waivers

And they already dealt for Javy Lopez earlier today.  Busy day for Mr. Epstein.    

Chicks dig the long ball

by Will23 on Aug 4, 2006 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who do they have
that Atlanta wants?  I know Atlanta offered them Jones for Lester, Hansen, and Coco.  Theo wasn't going to be a sucker and fall into that trap.

I just don't see Atlanta making a deal.

"Incidentally, Colossus was right and I was wrong about Maddux being dealt." -Al Yellon

by colossus on Aug 4, 2006 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It would be surprising...
if nobody claimed Jones before he got to the Red Sox. After all, they're almost at the very bottom of the waiver list - ahead of only the Yankees and Tigers. I think the White Sox would have placed a claim on Jones before he got to the Red Sox - if nothing else, just to keep the Red Sox from getting him.

by mportsch on Aug 4, 2006 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Al had also reported..
..in the Scoop! (ARod) thread that the White Sox had interest in Jones.  But I think the White Sox would do that because they have problems of their own, not to block to Red Sox.  
Chicks dig the long ball

by Will23 on Aug 4, 2006 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Keep in mind that....
National League teams have first cracks at him. Go to http://www.mlbtraderumors.com for more.

by fuzzycubfan on Aug 4, 2006 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Correct.
The only team that could have blocked the Cubs would have been the Pirates, since they're the only NL team with a worse record. So, if the Cubs put in a claim on Jones, they are the one team that the Braves can deal with if they want to trade Jones before the season is out. Complicating matters, the Cubs can only trade players that have cleared waivers - does anyone know if this also applies to minor league players? For example, could Felix Pie be traded to the Braves, or would he also have to get through waivers?

by mportsch on Aug 4, 2006 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not sure, but.....
you could make it a PTBNL and do it in the off season.
"Incidentally, Colossus was right and I was wrong about Maddux being dealt." -Al Yellon

by colossus on Aug 4, 2006 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pie is on the 40 man roster
so he has to clear waivers.   Minor Leaguers not on the 40 man roster do not have to clear waivers.

by JonH on Aug 4, 2006 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, if my understanding of waivers is correct
If the Cubs tried to claim him, the only team that could have been awarded preference over us would be the Pirates.

by false cognate on Aug 4, 2006 2:13 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yup.
And I don't see the Pirates making that waiver claim.  In contrast, although I doubt that they made the claim (after all we have Pierre), the Cubs would, frankly, have been stupid NOT to make a claim.   The current CF is a free agent at the end of the year.   The Cubs need a player that can provide power (and where they have an open position).   Jones can provide power AND they have the open position.  Jones is also young enough to have future value.  (He's younger than Lee). Looking at all of the possible options, this is at least as good as any major offseason move -- even if it ultimately costs the Cubs Pie and Marmol or Pie and Prior or Prior and Marshall.  And there is no worry about an out of control off season bidding war for Soriano and C Lee.

A lineup with Jones can have a high OBP guy like a cheap Murton in the corner.

by frustratedfan on Aug 4, 2006 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep,
Murton could work w/ Jones.  I'd be shocked if Hendry dealt Pie for Jones though.  Wasn't there a chance of getting Jones a few years ago, if the Cubs would have given up Patterson?
Forget Zito, Soriano, Schmidt & Lee.

by CubFaninCA on Aug 4, 2006 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

you are correct
but i doubt the pirates would claim him, given his big salary, and the fact that it wouldn't help them to block him from another team.

they said there were multiple claims on him. Given that, we can assume the winning team was an NL team, since they have first preference.

The following teams COULD have made the claim:

Chicago, though i really doubt it. I think it would be a great move to claim him and try to work a deal (much smarter than giving Carlos Lee a long deal). Since i no longer think Hendry is smart, i doubt its us.

The Mets, Cardinals, Padres, DBacks and Cinci are unlikely, as they all have good CF production, and none have someone in front of them (ie better record) that they would want to block by claiming Jones.

The Astros are a possibility, as they have a hole in CF and were reportedly trying to get him before the deadline, but they probably don't want to take on salary, and they don't have a lot of talent that would 1. slip though waivers and 2. Atlanta would want. So i doubt it's them. They also don't really have anyone to block by claiming him.

The Dodgers are probably the most likely. The don't have much in CF now, and they have been extremely aggressive this year, perhaps aware that the NL is very weak right now, so it would be a good year to load up for a run. Doesn't mean they will be able to come to a deal, but i think they are the most liekly.

Philly is out as they have removed themselves from competition this year. Milwaukee is out, somewhat for the same reason, but also because they have an overcrowded OF to begin with, and an expensive short-term OF doesn't really fit their philosophy. San Fran already has an expensive CF in Finley, and they can't really see themselves as a contender.

Colorado is a possibility. They are not getting much out of CF, and Jones would be a monster in coors.

Florida is a long shot, even though there was talk of them trying to take on salary in case mlb makes a minimum salary. If that happens, they could just sign Soriano in the off-season and not give a division rival a bunch of talent.

So my order of likelihood is:

  1. Dodgers
  2. Astros
  3. Colorado
  4. Cubs

by tomas21 on Aug 4, 2006 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

hahahahahaha
Since i no longer think Hendry is smart, i doubt its us.

Good analysis, although sad at the same time (re: the Cubs).

by false cognate on Aug 4, 2006 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Booooooooooooooooo
Just bc you're getting my hopes up.
"Incidentally, Colossus was right and I was wrong about Maddux being dealt." -Al Yellon

by colossus on Aug 4, 2006 2:15 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

cubs
did claim him

by china423 on Aug 4, 2006 3:35 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

don't play around.....
like that. Its not funny.

by PriorandAramisfan23 on Aug 4, 2006 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not
the Red Sox.  Buster Olney is reporting that "multiple" teams put in a claim on Jones, so while the Red Sox may have put in a claim, there is no chance that the Red Sox hold the "winning" waiver claim unless the only other teams are the Tigers and Yankees, which isn't very likely.

I doubt it's the Cubs though.  The Astros seem more likely.

by Josh77 on Aug 4, 2006 3:47 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

the cubs
are f'in idiots if they dont

by china423 on Aug 4, 2006 4:07 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

i rather
have him than el caballo

by china423 on Aug 4, 2006 4:07 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Dollars, offense, defense
From a economic standpoint his makes much more sense than trying to sign CLee or Soriano.  I think it'd be easier for the Trib to pony up for 1 year of 14M for a player that can have a big impact than trying to sign the other two and being handcuffed by their contracts.  
There isn't much risk here and Hendry doesn't like big risks. Plus he brings the combo of offense and defense which the Cubs love.  
I suppose we'll find out by tomorrow afternoon.

by jman on Aug 4, 2006 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Indeed
and they'll try to retain him for 5 & 60.
Forget Zito, Soriano, Schmidt & Lee.

by CubFaninCA on Aug 4, 2006 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If they did claim him, offer the Braves...
Pierre, Prior, and a minor league PTBNL (not Pie).  The value of the minor leaguer depends on whether the Cubs can sign Jones to an extension for beyond 2007 by this October.  

by zambranofan on Aug 4, 2006 4:17 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: the 10/5 rights
If the Braves trade him now, he would not have 10/5 rights with his new team, right?  He'd have the 10 part, but not the 5.  So a team like the Cubs could trade him to anyone in the offseason without his consent.  Interesting.  

by zambranofan on Aug 4, 2006 4:18 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Trade Demand Rights
I think A Jones would also have the right to demand a trade since being traded in the middle of a multi-year deal.  However, Boras is his agent and that is one of the positive Hendry has - a great relationship with Boras.

by jman on Aug 4, 2006 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Murton for Jones
Get this done Jim!
Forget Zito, Soriano, Schmidt & Lee.

by CubFaninCA on Aug 4, 2006 5:07 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Wanna make a bet?
"Incidentally, Colossus was right and I was wrong about Maddux being dealt." -Al Yellon

by colossus on Aug 4, 2006 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jones for Jones
is a better match.
Players win awards but teams win championships.

by tharr on Aug 4, 2006 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sure
I'll bet you it doesn't happen.
Forget Zito, Soriano, Schmidt & Lee.

by CubFaninCA on Aug 4, 2006 5:11 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Damn
I was going to say that it didn't happen.

Never mind.

"Incidentally, Colossus was right and I was wrong about Maddux being dealt." -Al Yellon

by colossus on Aug 4, 2006 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

cmon
do something bold and take a chance.
Forget Zito, Soriano, Schmidt & Lee.

by CubFaninCA on Aug 4, 2006 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I did that less than a week ago
ask Al how it turned out.

Why don't you take the "we'll get Jones" side and I'll take the "we won't get Jones" side?  Do something bold and take a chance....

"Incidentally, Colossus was right and I was wrong about Maddux being dealt." -Al Yellon

by colossus on Aug 4, 2006 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're a very competitive...
...blog commenter.  Congrats, you guessed something would happen, got lucky, and it happened.  

by thing85 on Aug 4, 2006 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

why don't u
come up w/ something original? son
Forget Zito, Soriano, Schmidt & Lee.

by CubFaninCA on Aug 4, 2006 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I asked my source,
the magic 8 ball, if the Cubs had claimed Jones. Its reply was, "All signs point to yes." So there you have it! An inside scoop from an official source!
... but ya doesn't have to call me "Johnson."

by Blood Brother on Aug 4, 2006 6:07 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Stop the INSANITY!!
 This is the Cubs were talking about. Putting a claim on Jones is so uncublike, it's funny.

 Feel free to dream, but I just want to be the voice of reason here in case there are any young impressionable Cub fans out there and who might actually think the Cubs are capable of doing something like this.

 Besides, A. Jones would never want to play 81 games at Wrigley a year. He likes to climb walls and run into runs making spectacular plays and Wrigley would cramp his style. Not gonna happen.

Continue dreaming however.

by ADHD survivor on Aug 4, 2006 6:26 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

TYPO alert
"likes to run into walls......"

by ADHD survivor on Aug 4, 2006 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm told
running into brick is very fun.
"Incidentally, Colossus was right and I was wrong about Maddux being dealt." -Al Yellon

by colossus on Aug 4, 2006 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Speaking of running into brick walls
 I'm outta here and here's to hoping I don't wake up tomorrow morning, like last Saturday morning, and the woman I wake up with doesn't look like she just ran into one!

by ADHD survivor on Aug 4, 2006 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am hearing that
the Angels and Red Sox are two of the teams...

by airweino on Aug 4, 2006 7:24 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

One of the braves fans...
..over here said that the Cubs are one of the teams, but that they haven't put anyone on waivers themselves.  The braves wouldn't be interested in someone that the Cubs don't have on the 40-man roster.
"They X-Rayed my head and found nothing." - Jerome "Dizzy" Dean

by santo for prez on Aug 4, 2006 7:31 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

This just put things into perspective.
I have been curious to wonder what the true value of some of our Cubbies is.  My fellow soldier here who is as die-hard a Braves fan as I am a Cubs fan just showed me some comments from the Braves message board.

Something allong the lines of;  Cubs claimed Jones on waivers, who do they have that we would want?  Zambrano (not by himself).  Pierre (what good is speed if you can't get on base).

I think that they are being a little harsh on their analysis but I found it a little disheartening that Zambrano in the eyes of other teams is not worthy of a straight-up trade.  Not to mention he is the glue that is holding this team together.

"They X-Rayed my head and found nothing." - Jerome "Dizzy" Dean

by santo for prez on Aug 4, 2006 7:39 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I would imagine...
... that any Jones deal from the Cubs would start with Felix Pie and at least a couple of top young pitchers.

by Al on Aug 4, 2006 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And
followed by Hendry hanging up the phone. :(
Forget Zito, Soriano, Schmidt & Lee.

by CubFaninCA on Aug 4, 2006 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

They wouldn't want....
Z in a 1 for 1?

Neither would I, I'd want more than that guy.

Besides the obvious - Go Irish.

by PopeFlick on Aug 4, 2006 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think we should trade Z
to Boston for Papelbon, Pedroia, and Lester or another high ranking prospect.

We could throw in some prospects or someone else too.

"Incidentally, Colossus was right and I was wrong about Maddux being dealt." -Al Yellon

by colossus on Aug 4, 2006 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

re

Boston for Papelbon

I would only want him as long as the Cubs put him back in the rotation.  But he's already said that he wouldn't mind remaining a closer.
Peter: "Brian, there's a message in my Alphabits! It says, 'Oooooo!'"
Brian: - "Peter, those are Cheerios." - Family Guy

by VS on Aug 4, 2006 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Of course he'd say that
Why would he bitch about it when he's the best closer in the game right now?
"Incidentally, Colossus was right and I was wrong about Maddux being dealt." -Al Yellon

by colossus on Aug 4, 2006 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Of course
But a good starter is more valuable than a good closer.  As talented as he is, it'd be a shame if he didn't give starting in the majors a shot.
Peter: "Brian, there's a message in my Alphabits! It says, 'Oooooo!'"
Brian: - "Peter, those are Cheerios." - Family Guy

by VS on Aug 5, 2006 3:16 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Make of this what you will.
Sean Gallagher threw three innings for West Tenn tonight (four runs allowed) and was pulled.

Randy Wells was supposed to start for Iowa tonight, but didn't -- Les Walrond started instead, after having thrown in relief two days ago.

Think something might be up with these two?

by Al on Aug 4, 2006 8:42 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

It would be so counterintuitive...
to bring Gallagher up right now. He was just moved up to double-A not too long ago, and although he hasn't struggled per se, his walk rate was up considerably, especially right when he started pitching there, which leads me to believe he is still too early in development and needs time to improve both mentally and physically before his "cup of coffee" in the big leagues (although from what I read, he is very poised and has that fearless "bulldog" mentality we all love).

by CosmicCharlie911 on Aug 4, 2006 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think he was referring
 to a possible trade to the Braves.  

by escapegoat on Aug 4, 2006 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wells has value??
I looked him up and doesn't look like it??
Forget Zito, Soriano, Schmidt & Lee.

by CubFaninCA on Aug 4, 2006 8:42 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Look at his numbers for double A
He has struggled in triple A, but both his ERA and WHIP were impeccable in double A.

Does anyone have a scouting report on him? It seems that Wells isn't very highly touted, but I really don't know what he has to offer.

by CosmicCharlie911 on Aug 4, 2006 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i looked him up
on thebaseballcube.com a few days ago. he's a 38th round pick, so i didn't get my hopes up.
Forget Zito, Soriano, Schmidt & Lee.

by CubFaninCA on Aug 4, 2006 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wells' WHIP this season...
... is still excellent, although his ERA at Iowa is somewhat high (4.15).

In 101.1 combined AA/AAA innings this year he has walked 22 and struck out 86. I could see the Braves being interested in that.

He'll be 24 later this month. I wonder why he wouldn't have been called up instead of Mateo.

by Al on Aug 4, 2006 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah
His K numbers look good after further review.
Forget Zito, Soriano, Schmidt & Lee.

by CubFaninCA on Aug 4, 2006 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Especially...
since Marmol is screaming to be sent down. I really don't understand why he is still up with the big club: he shows tremendous promise, but guys averaging 8bb/9innings who also have considerable drops in velocity and changes in mechanics over the course of games should never be out of the minors. When he gets his mechanics squared away, and does some more conditioning, he will be able to throw harder, more accurately, and for longer.

I say give guys like Wells, who is clearly closer to  ready, at least a start or two, so the cubs can better appraise their big league value.

by CosmicCharlie911 on Aug 4, 2006 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is it correct that the Cubs
could not acquire Jones and then turn around and retrade him the at any time this year?
Players win awards but teams win championships.

by tharr on Aug 4, 2006 9:46 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I'd love for the Cubs to claim him
But the Cubs have no vision.  Jim Hendry is pleased as pie to have the chance to sign Slappy for CF.  

They'll have the worst lineup in the NL if they go forward with the plans for Pierre, Izutris and Cedeno in the lineup.  Thoroughly depressing and disgusting.

What does not kill you makes you stronger.

by Pa on Aug 4, 2006 10:27 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

2007
Ronny Cedeno will either be operating at Triple A, serving as an utility infielder with the Cubs or playing for another organization altogether in 2007.  Don't worry about him being in the everyday lineup next season.  He won't be.  

by Mike63 on Aug 4, 2006 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And
your proof is?
Players win awards but teams win championships.

by tharr on Aug 4, 2006 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So Cubs players have to clear waivers?
Then forget Pie, Marmol, Marshal land Guzman right??

Would Atl take something like Eric Patterson (takes over for Giles in 08), Donald Veal or Pawelek, and Gallagher???  

Forget Zito, Soriano, Schmidt & Lee.

by CubFaninCA on Aug 4, 2006 10:45 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Waivers
Teams placing even major talent on waivers is common practice after the July 31st trading deadline.  This whole Andruw Jones story is way overblown.  

by Mike63 on Aug 4, 2006 11:04 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Only overblown if..
..he is retacted off the waiver wire by the Braves.  Otherwise, it is a player with a good look at the HOF (depending on how he plays the next 4-5 years) being traded to another team.
Chicks dig the long ball

by Will23 on Aug 4, 2006 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Andruw Jones
was put on waivers just like a lot of other high glossy players from other teams were.  I'd be shocked if Atlanta trades him for anything but the motherlode from some other team.  The Cubs don't have remotely what it would take to land Jones.  

by Mike63 on Aug 4, 2006 11:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're probably right
but the fact that Jones 10-5 status begins Saturday at 1PM leads to speculation. Perhaps Boston is reacting to Abreu and Lidle and they and the Braves just thought Jones might sneak thru waivers. Personally it doesn't seem possible, but it is the type of deal that Hendry likes to create. Maybe a 3-way depending on who has or hasn't cleared waivers.
Players win awards but teams win championships.

by tharr on Aug 5, 2006 2:14 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's not what I read about the 10/5 status...
... I read that Jones' 10/5 status begins on August 15.

by Al on Aug 5, 2006 4:19 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're right
However, but the time limit for decisions on the waiver acceptance or not expires Sat. at 1PM. So if it's not accepted, the Braves will be allowing Jones to reach the 10-5 status. Sorry for the misdirection but in any case, we'll know by 1 today. I just have a hunch Hendry is involved some way.
Players win awards but teams win championships.

by tharr on Aug 5, 2006 4:32 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're right...
... and also, if the waivers are withdrawn, that would be it for the potential of trading him anyway, since you can't waive someone twice in a single waiver period without it becoming irrevocable.

by Al on Aug 5, 2006 4:38 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thank goodness...
I knew I could count on Mike63 to talk sense into these guys......Andruw Jones will NEVER BE ON THE CUBS!!!!! I liked it better when people were talking about Barry Zito.

by TheBeerBaron on Aug 5, 2006 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

we are getting closer
to 1 pm......at least it is something to be somewhat excited about although i am sure it will end in us being let down

by geetarnwhiskey on Aug 5, 2006 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

rumor is
that houston, anaheim and boston claimed him, and jones is saying that he won't report to anyone.  
Forget Zito, Soriano, Schmidt & Lee.

by CubFaninCA on Aug 5, 2006 1:39 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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