Baker Coming Back?
I realize that most of the posters on this forum think that it is a foregone conclusion that Baker is not coming back next season. I hope that they are right, but I am afraid that they are wrong. If the Cubs "finish strong", I can see Hendry keeping Baker noting that he had so many key injuries this year and he still kept the ball club together. After all, look how strong they finished (8-3 in their last 11 games) and look at the young guys that have been developed for next season.
And the interviews being given by Baker are the kind of interviews given by a Manager who does not expect to be fired, but expects to be back. Consider some of the quotes being reported from the Dan Jiggets' interview about Baker doing his best. And no comments from Hendry at all about Baker, which is also suggestive of the fact that he is not going to throw Baker under the bus.
I think Baker is staying.
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can we have a category
Cause that's the one I would choose.
by tal1286 on Sep 20, 2006 12:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hendry
After watching him pull out every stupid move in his book (which by now should look like a college thesis) Hendry needs to acknowledge that before it's going to get any better, it's going to get much worse.
Then again, this is Jim Hendry we're talking about, so god only knows.
Let's hope he does the right thing.
by Faith plus 1 on Sep 20, 2006 12:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Finish strong?
by CubFaninCA on Sep 20, 2006 12:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Baker's gone
Baker is gone. No doubt about that.
by Maddog on Sep 20, 2006 12:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If Dusty were coming back...
by Thelonious on Sep 20, 2006 12:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The Tribune...
by BeerCub on Sep 20, 2006 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not a forgone...
Hendry could come to the conclusion that his career either sinks or swims with Baker and with the fact that Hendry has only a two year extension it will be highly unlikely to sign a seasoned manager to anything less than 3 years. He also could be leary of signing a rookie manager that in his opinion might take a couple of years to yield success and that's a couple of years Big Jim can't afford. Hendry knows that Baker is a proven commodity(at least he still is to those on ESPN) and it might be a safer bet to stick it out with him rather than the alternative.
I don't mean to bring anyone down but don't be surprised if he's still a Cub for at least the next 2 years.
by cubfan4life on Sep 20, 2006 12:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
About a rookie manager....
Fredi Gonzalez and Hendry worked together in the Marlins organization; Hendry was a scout, Gonzalez a minor league manager. This seems the most likely way he'll go.
About Baker, the atmosphere around Baker is poisoned similar to how the atmosphere around Corey Patterson was at the end of last year. Patterson HAD to go. For the same reasons, Baker HAS to go.
by Al on Sep 20, 2006 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking the same thing
by JFCubFan on Sep 20, 2006 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Baker's gone...
Not bringing back Dusty will be a highly publicized 'step forward' and grant JH a little more leeway in the offseason.
by thekansasian on Sep 20, 2006 12:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
No, but he should be back
by frustratedfan on Sep 20, 2006 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i hope not
by mike on Sep 20, 2006 1:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Imagine this
However, if he didn't and the team had another poor year, and that includes a .500 performance, Hendry would spend every waking hour trying to defend his decision. Even as close as the two used to be, I doubt Jim would be willing to accept that. And certainly the Trib doesn't look forward to that negative energy surrounding the team when it has its own set of financial difficulties.
by tharr on Sep 20, 2006 1:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Not a chance
The only places Hendry should be looking for some leeway is with the fans and my fear is that with a rookie manager the organization would take advantage of lowered expectations.
"Not bringing back Dusty will be a highly publicized 'step forward"
Look, I'm not in favor of bringing back Baker but the majority of cubdom considered the hiring of Baker a "step forward". What's changed in the last 4 years? Either the majority of cub fans didn't know much about Baker and his managerial tendencies or they have selective memory. Remember the embarrasing "In Dusty we Trusty"? Well, what's changed?
"About Baker, the atmosphere around Baker is poisoned similar to how the atmosphere around Corey Patterson was at the end of last year. Patterson HAD to go. For the same reasons, Baker HAS to go".
The poison around Patterson was injected into the atmosphere by the tribune. How does a guy go from having an All Star beginning to a season in '03(remember he was on pace for 25hr and 100rbi), tears up his knee, Patterson then follows that up with a 24hr 72rbi '04 season. Then in '05(after having how many coaches screwing with this guys head?) he becomes the pariah of chicago. The cubs wanted him to become a leadoff hitter, which was never going to happen and they trashed him in the media.
As far as Baker is concerned the Cubs have gone out of their way to protect him. Remember the "Lynching" quote that was whitewashed from the trib? Well there are plenty other examples that could be used. If the Cubs are going to get rid of Baker then who is going to allow whom to start the war of words first? The cubs know Baker's nature in that he will fire shots at them once he departs, afterall, Baker has a career and reputation to uphold. The cubs have also resorted to trashing former employee's in the past ie; patterson and Sosa so they won't be immune to that type of behavior if the departing of Baker is imminent. The point is neither party has taken to finger pointing which indicates to me that the relationship may still be solid.
Again, don't be surprised if Baker's services are retained.
Sorry for my incoherant ramblings, my lunch our is about to end.
by cubfan4life on Sep 20, 2006 2:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If Dusty is back
by Santos Sorrow on Sep 20, 2006 2:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Do you...
Look, we know Jim Hendry is overweight. These remarks aren't funny. Maybe I'd take you more seriously if you stopped.
by Al on Sep 20, 2006 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
they are funny, and you can take me however
by Santos Sorrow on Sep 20, 2006 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Correction...
by thekansasian on Sep 20, 2006 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
point taken
by Santos Sorrow on Sep 20, 2006 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's all I'm asking...
Spice it up. Be original. I'd rather read (although I'm not always wild about) "Hendry and Baker can't be seperated; Dusty's toothpicks get pulled from Hendry's Double Bacon Cheeseburgers every meal" rather than "Jim Hendry is fat and stupid."
by thekansasian on Sep 20, 2006 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your right, I've gotten fat and lazy
by Santos Sorrow on Sep 20, 2006 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's all good Santos
by Faith plus 1 on Sep 20, 2006 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that having been said
by Faith plus 1 on Sep 20, 2006 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Goodness Al...
by cubfan4life on Sep 20, 2006 4:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It's not that...
I'd much rather see constructive criticism, myself.
by Al on Sep 20, 2006 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
blind hope is still acceptable too, right?
by Santos Sorrow on Sep 20, 2006 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is simply...
by Al on Sep 21, 2006 8:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
For example,
by Smooth Jazz Man San Diego on Sep 20, 2006 8:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
can we
Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life Jim.
by pwhalen on Sep 20, 2006 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Jokes About Hendry's Weight....
by BeerCub on Sep 20, 2006 9:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Not justfying it
He should seek help.
NOT JUSTIFYING TAKING SHOTS AT IT, I AM MERELY SAYING
by Faith plus 1 on Sep 20, 2006 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess I'm unfamiliar...
by thekansasian on Sep 20, 2006 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
From what
by Faith plus 1 on Sep 20, 2006 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Baker is gone
Just a hunch, Marlins no playoffs, Management won't feel obligated to keep him in FLA.
Joe lands in Wrigley, next day Nova, Rusch,Bynum, Pagan,Mabry gone. Cedeno to AAA.
by Johnny Callison was a Cub on Sep 21, 2006 12:21 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Does that mean
by tharr on Sep 21, 2006 12:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's no way
There's a strong argument to be made that Baker is a good manager, but it's a more difficult argument to say that things have worked out well with him as manager.
There's no way he gets re-signed (and that is differnt than getting fired).
by NO100 on Sep 21, 2006 11:10 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I want to see the strong argument, DSZ?
by Santos Sorrow on Sep 21, 2006 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Baker as Good Manager
- Dusty Baker has won more than 1000 games as a manager. Coming into the the season he was nearly a full season's worth of games over .500 (about plus 150).
- He had a seven year stretch in which his teams finished first or second. He used the same managing philosophy then as now.
- This year's Cub team lost its two most important pitchers for essentially the full season (Wood and Prior) and its best hitter (Lee) for most of the season and its second best hitter for a significant number of games (Barrett). The young player in the minors that could have replaced the injured best hitter was also hurt and could not be called up to replace the star. Thus Baker was forced to completely change his line up and who played to "fix this". He also had key injuries to important parts of the bullpen. He also had key injuries to important bench/starters in Pagan and Bynum -- both of whom missed large parts of the season. Finally, an expected keypart of the staff in Miller took longer than anticipated to recover from an injury.
- The young players that he was forced to use (Murton and Cedeno) had sophmore slumps. One of them, Cedeno, hasn't recovered at all, and the other has no power in a critical power position.
- The minor league coaches do not follow his hitting and pitching philosophies and thus the young players don't play the game correctly.
- His key free agent took time to adjust and once he came around, the star was hurt.
- The MVP of the team from the prior year (Perez) did not have an MVP caliber year.
- The racist fans mistreated at least one of his key players by booing him without cause resulting in a decline in production.
- He had an experienced pitcher in Greg Maddux who did not subscribe to the philosophy of the pitching coach and the manager and set a bad example by continuing to pitch in a different way.
by frustratedfan on Sep 21, 2006 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

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