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My 2007 two cents

Lengthy, but I'm trying to be elaborate

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First I'll list my line-up, question marks and all, then I'll try to explain.

1-Torri Hunter CF / Theriot 2B / Lugo SS/2B
2- Murton LF/RF
3- D. Lee 1B (hoping family things are ok, obviously more important)
4- Ramirez 3B
5- Barret LF/RF
6- Torri Hunter CF / Vernon Wells CF
7- Bengie Molina C
8- Izturis SS / Theriot 2B

Rotation:

  1. Zambrano
  2. FA
  3. Hill
  4. Prior / FA / Rookie
  5. Miller / FA / Rookie
Pen:
Closer- Dempster / Wood
SU- Eyre
SU- Howry / Wood
Lefty Specialist- Ohman / Marshall
Long Relief - Wuertz / Marshall

Thats 7 relievers, obvisouly will probably be cut to six depending on who works out between Ohman, Wuertz, and Marshall in ST. And assuming Wood is able to pitch next year.

Ok, so a lot of '/'s in my lineup. Thats because there are so many options and ways things can end up this off season, and the cubs are not the only ones looking for help (obviously)

Leadoff/CF:
I do not hate pierre, but it's possible he'll want a lot of money, and I've seen better guys leadoff, he's fast as (metaphor), but with an OBP of .330-.340, I'm not ecstacic, especially with his low run production (obviously not his job exactly, but everyone, pitcher excluded, should be at least decent at knocking people in, especially in the majors and for that kinda cash)

Torri Hunter or Julio Lugo or Theriot are great leadoff options. Personally, I'd probably put Hunter deeper in the order, probably 6th, but he can lead off if our Middle Infielders aren't options.

Also in CF both Hunter and Wells are solid hitters and good defensive assets, I'd consider both upgrades over Pierre even though I greatly Respect his hustle and heart.

RF
I'm sorry, but if I were a manager, or a GM, Jacque Jones would NOT be on my roster. He is an above average hitter against right handed pitching... thats it, he is NOT an all around baseball player. I'm sorry, but a defensive liablity that will allow virtually EVERYONE to go first to third on base hits to right is not good.

He's seems like a nice guy, and I'm sure he tries really hard, but he's just not an all around baseball player.

Now Barret is a defensive liablity but an offensive powerhouse. If able to play 150+ games he could probably hit more like 25-30hr and drive in more runs. It would also extend his career to move him out of the crouch, and to be honest, some of his defense HAS cost us games. I recall a passed ball 3rd strike for out number 3 with Z throwing. Which set up a 2 out 2 run blast and a loss. I would also like a catcher who can throw out a base runner.

Barret seems athletic enough, and enough of a gamer to make the switch and be solid. I don't know if he or Murton would make the better RF, but both are fantastic baseball guys who hustle everytime out of the box, and can drive in a ton of runs, just what you want from your corner OFs... right?

BTW - Murton is great, anyone who says otherwise, I.... well I disagree, I'll leave it at that and let his numbers speak. The guy is young and a fantastic hitter with patience, don't you dare consider letting him get away.

3B
Ramirez is good, keep him

1B
Lee is amazing, if he goes, we either catch lightning with a prospect, or consider blowing up and starting over.

SS
I can live with Izturis at SS, a GG calibur Middle Infielder is always welcome and he can hit 8th for me. However, there have been some talks about Lugo, and while I hear he's a jerk (which is a deterrent for sure) there are worse ideas. Lugo can leadoff or hit 2nd, has some power and will steal his fair share of bases.

2B
I, like many, really like the look of Theriot, who should legally add a space in his last name. He plays really hard, works the count and is fast. He's solid defensively and all around looks good. In reality, we have too small a sample size to judge accuratly, the league probably doesn't have a good strategy against him yet, need to see how he adjusts to pitchers using a strategy against him other than good pitches.
He has earned an invite to ST with serious consideration for the starting job.
Again, this could be a spot filled by Lugo with Izturis at short. I could live with and be excited about either scenario, personally I'd rather not have a wife beater (rumor I'm pretty sure was about Lugo) on my roster, but this is overall a direction I'd approve of.

Catcher
As most people will agree, Barrett is not the best behind the dish. But again a rather large offensive asset. Toronto recently stated that they don't really plan on bringing back Molina, at least thats what I read on their site (I looked up Molina articles), he's a solid defensive catcher (he's a Molina after all) and while not a killer with the lumber, will contribute his fair share.

I understand that their will be others looking to pick up Molina, I'm really okay with a .270ish hitting solid defensive catcher. I'd take Blanco if I thought he could hit as well as he has this year, but I believe he's a bit old to be the everyday guy all year, and probably won't hit this well again for more than a small streak.

So if CF is Hunter or Wells and Infield is Izzy and Theriot:
1 Theriot
2 Murton
3 Lee
4 Ramirez
5 Barrett
6 Hunter or Wells
7 Molina
8 Izzy

Or if Lugo is SS
1 Lugo
2 Murton
3 Lee
4 Ramirez
5 Barrett
6 Hunter or Wells
7 Molina
8 Theriot

Theriot is 8 in this situation rather than 2, because he's the only one in the lineup likely to hit 5 hrs or even less. And with his phenominal OBP that would give the Pitcher spot a lot of bunt opportunities to move him over.

And if there's a 2B other than those in this equation I'm not sure where they'd hit (obviously)

I think everything regarding the pitching is pretty self explanatory,  Spots can be taken by other young arms in the pen.

Z- Obviously the Ace

Hill - Could Potentially be the #2 Starter, but really should debut at 4 if we had a solid 3 in Prior or Miller, but too early to tell for sure on both of those. But Hill should make a fine #3 if he comes to ST with a developed change, and perhaps a work-in-progress 4th pitch.

FA- People throw around Zito and Schmidt. Schmidt would be great but will probably stay on the Coast. I'm not exactly sure who to slate here, so long as it's a tier 2 FA I can deal. If so, perhaps you see who amongst Prior, Miller, and Hill do the best in ST and put them at #2 and the FA at 3.

Prior/Miller/Young Arm - One would imagine that either Prior OR Miller will be ready by next season so they would definetly get a spot, and assuming one of them can't make it, which ever young arm in ST looks the most promising (whether it Marshall, Guzman, or Ryu - you know from Street Fight, they are the most likely condidates) can round out the 5th spot if need be.

So there it is, long winded and all. I know it's for the most part, drastically different from what many others would be planning on, however I think such a line up (once all the '?'s are answered that is) would be phenominal. Score a WHOLE LOT more runs than this current one, and would be pretty darn solid defensively.

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of SB Nation or Al Yellon, managing editor (unless it's a FanPost posted by Al). FanPost opinions are valued expressions of opinion by passionate and knowledgeable baseball fans.

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Carlos Lee
Just once, just once I'd like to see the Cubs go and get a guy that is headlining a free agent class. Now, maybe he isn't the total fix we need, but I drool at the thought of him mashing the ball out of Wrigley in a Cubs uniform. However, past experience has conditioned me to believe we'll merely drive up the bidding and he'll wind up a Yankee or Angel. Maybe even an Astro. I think they clear some money, and even with the insane money they dropped on Oswalt they could be in the race.
Pitchers, only one guy goes into the Spring owning a job. Big Z. Unless Hendry signs a pair of solid free agents everybody else should fight for a spot, that includes Prior. If he isn't healthy, and he doesn't earn it, he shouldn't keep a spot.

by Nibbles on Sep 21, 2006 8:48 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Carlos Lee
And where do you propose playing him?  His only positions are left field and DH.   The Cubs don't have a DH and he doesn't bring any real extra value to left field.  He will cost 36 times as much per season as the current left fielder and will likely not put up any better production.   That money is better spent where the Cubs don't have a good incumbent.  

by Frustrated Fan on Sep 21, 2006 9:32 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

This from the same guy
who insists Michael Barrett derives equal value as Vernon Wells.  Matt Murton can't carry Carlos Lee's jockstrap in terms of offensive contribution.    

Carlos Lee neither fits with the Cub nor will be a target.  The Cubs don't need another big right handed bat attached to an ill-fielding outfielder.  Rather they need a quality left-handed bat, better defense and the injection of more athleticsm.  

Matt Murton, Juan Pierre and Jacque Jones will all be back.  Added to this mix will be a veteran Cliff Floyd or Luis Gonzalez type.  With the uncertaintly surrounding the health of Derrek Lee's daughter, it may be wise also to acquire a veteran fourth outfielder type who can also play a lot of 1st base if it unfortunately comes to that.  

by BlueBooHoo on Sep 21, 2006 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

CItation Please
I have never once made any comment about Barrett and Wells and their respective values.   I demand that you either provide a citation or retract your false statement.  As for offensive contributions, the statistics say that you are wrong.   Quite wrong.  And more importantly, it doesn't address the primary problem.  Unless you project Murton declining and Lee increasing (which is nuts), the difference between the two is slight.  But Lee will be paid 30 - 40 times as much as Murton.  

As for the comments bout Derek Lee's daughter, those are both uncalled for and just wrong.  The problem has just arisen.  It will either be as under control as it can be by next year and Lee will do exactly what all parents with sick (and sometimes dying) children do, return to work and do their job.  He may miss a game or two if she has specific procedures, but it will not cost him weeks of time.

Of course, living in your parent's basement you wouldn't have any real concept of work and responsibility.

by Frustrated Fan on Sep 21, 2006 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Your comments
continue to define irrelevant.
Players win awards but teams win championships.

by tharr on Sep 22, 2006 12:44 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lee and Hunter
We don't want Lee for reasons which have been elaborated upon countless times on this board, briefly, Murton has outperformed a "hot" Carlos Lee playing in Texas in the second half.

Also, Torii Hunter does not want to play in Chicago.  I remember reading at some point that it is because he wants to be able to rob homers, something that Wrigley doesn't allow because of the way the fences are set up.

by tal1286 on Sep 21, 2006 10:05 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Torji Hunter
would be nice, but Jim Hendry is most likely to re-sign Juan Pierre to a multiyear deal.  He didn't trade Ricky Nolasco and Renyel Pinto to see a valuable and rare leadoff hitter walk away after only a year.  

by BlueBooHoo on Sep 21, 2006 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is Wells a free agent?
I thought he was locked into a deal in Toronto.

I rather throw a bundle at Soriano, with Izzy at short Cubs could get away somewhat with his poor defense. I too think Cubs will resign Pierre, and have Murton and Jones back. That is why Soriano makes sense.  It just sucks that I can't see the Cubs going after him.

Throw out your Gold Teeth and see how they Roll

by Johnny Callison was a Cub on Sep 21, 2006 10:51 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

book this sons,,,,,,
durham, eaton, lofton & kerry wood

lofton
durham/theriot
lee
aram
jones v. righty or barrett v. lefty
barrett v. righty or murton v. lefty
murton v. righty or jones or platoon guy v. lefty
izturis

z
eaton
hill
marshall
prior or mateo or guzman or marmol

Forget Zito, Soriano, Schmidt, Matsuzaka & Lee. Its Eaton, Kennedy, Wood, Pie in CF, and a backup RH OF instead.

by CubFaninCA on Sep 21, 2006 11:45 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Your library card expired
Compare Durham at $8M vs Theriot at $.3M

Eaton #2? 54 IP this year with 4.77 ERA and 10HR

Where have you put Garcia and Burrell?

Otherwise, I agree.

Players win awards but teams win championships.

by tharr on Sep 22, 2006 12:42 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My comparisons are irrelevant
I'm not Andy McFAil or Jim Hendry.
Forget Zito, Soriano, Schmidt, Matsuzaka & Lee. Its Eaton, Durham, Wood, Lofton, and a backup RH OF instead.

by CubFaninCA on Sep 22, 2006 1:25 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Apparently, you missed my contingency plan...
Fantasy Option 1: Soriano & Schmidt

Fantasy Option 2: Soriano & Padilla

Fantasy Option 3: Soriano & Meche

Fantasy Option 4: Soriano & Eaton

Fantasy Option 5: Soriano & Lilly

Fantasy Option 6: Soriano & Suppan

Fantasy Option 9: Durham & Schmidt

Realistic Option 10: Durham, Padilla & Meche

Realistic Option 11: Durham, Padilla & Garcia

Realistic Option 12: Durham, Padilla & Eaton

Realistic Option 13 Durham, Meche & Eaton

Realistic Option 14: Durham, Meche & Garica

Burrell's pretty far down there.  And Murton's starting to look pretty damn good.  I change when the info changes,,,,

Forget Zito, Soriano, Schmidt, Matsuzaka & Lee. Its Eaton, Durham, Wood, Lofton, and a backup RH OF instead.

by CubFaninCA on Sep 22, 2006 1:26 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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