Bleed Cubbie Blue: An SB Nation Community

Navigation: Jump to content areas:


Sports blogs for fans, by fans.
Around SBN: Cal RB Jahvid Best Seriously Injured, Carted Off Field

Doesn't anybody play hurt anymore?

While I believe it is prudent to shut down Zambrano for the year, when we are holding down last place in the NL, I think we should be questioning the way the Cubs routinely DL every player who has a hangnail. We started this year with a rotation of Wood/Prior/Maddux/Zambrano and Rusch. We are ending the year with the Iowa Cubs starting rotation.

We are going to finish the year with zero complete games. While I know the pitch count fetishists will approve of this, I can't help but thinking that the mindset of this organization is flawed when it comes to expecting players to play.

I am tired of the bizarre injuries. I am tired of Remlinger's rocking chair, Jones' tear duct, and multiple "oblique" strains. Did Bob Gibson or Nolan Ryan ever have a strained oblique?

I am tired of every time a Cubs pitcher has a hangnail, we bring up some slug from Des Moines to serve as a sacrificial lamb. I am tired of Johnnie Baker and Larry Rothschild trotting out 5 or 6 pichers every game. I want our highly paid players to play.

The Cubs should expect our players to play. Sometimes that means playing through an injury. This is a concept which has disappeared.

If we can't keep our players healthy, then fire the manager, the pitching coach, and the training staff.

Shut down the Des Moines-Chicago shuttle. Shut down the mentality that players will not be expected to play with some pain. I rejoice in the empty seats that have been apparent yesterday and today. In the final analysis, empty seats are the only thing that will catch the attention of the Tribune suits.

I am 42 years old, and have been a Cubs fan since the days of Kessinger/Beckert/Williams/ Hickman/Santo/Banks/Hundley/Phillips/Jenkins. Those players routinely played 150+ games a year.

I am not suggesting that we return to the good old days of these every day players. But I am also damn sick and tired of watching the Iowa Cubs play at Clark and Addison.

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of SB Nation or Al Yellon, managing editor (unless it's a FanPost posted by Al). FanPost opinions are valued expressions of opinion by passionate and knowledgeable baseball fans.

0 recs  |  Comment 19 comments

Story-email Email Printer Print

Comments

Display:

To Butress my point.....
Here was a year when 6 Cubs everyday players played 143+ games, and the starting pitchers were also durable...has human physiology changed in 36 years???

http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/CHC/1970.shtml

by perseman on Sep 6, 2006 7:54 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

It has...
...too many Happy Meals.

by theprognosticator on Sep 6, 2006 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

one reason
is the emphasis on muscle bulk over the last 20-30 years. too many injuries because of less flexiblity. Big contracts is and the protection of that investment, or in a younger player's case- the prevention of an injury- is another big reason

by cashcowsquirtingsourmilk on Sep 6, 2006 11:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Reply

Doesn't anybody play hurt anymore?

I hope not.

by VS on Sep 6, 2006 7:55 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

It means what it means
If a player is hurt, he shouldn't play.

by VS on Sep 7, 2006 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess there are shades to that
If it's not going to cause further injury a player has to figure out how to play through pain.  Just because he's hurt, IMHO, doesn't give him a free ride to sit.  

by NO100 on Sep 7, 2006 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yabbut
Do you mean hurt hurt? Or JD Drew hurt? Cause I think there's a difference.
"It's hard to put your finger on it. You have to have a dullness of mind and spirit to play here." --Jim Brosnan

by cubbiejulie on Sep 7, 2006 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Plus
Weird injuries are a part of baseball, like suicide squeezes and weird facial hair.

http://www.4serendipity.com/journal/archives/000136.html

"When things are at their blackest, I say to myself, 'Cheer up, things could be worse.' And sure enough, they get worse." - Robert Asprin

by Jesse Guam on Sep 7, 2006 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or this....
How about a year when ALL 8 regular starters played 133+ games. Obviously, Derek Lee cannot play with a broken hand. But my point is, we should expect more durabilty than what we are getting...

by perseman on Sep 6, 2006 7:58 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yup
Some players do:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=caple/offbase/060906

"When things are at their blackest, I say to myself, 'Cheer up, things could be worse.' And sure enough, they get worse." - Robert Asprin

by Jesse Guam on Sep 7, 2006 9:49 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Lots of players play hurt...
... including most pitchers, all the time.

Well, except Mark Prior.

by Al on Sep 7, 2006 10:13 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

And JD Drew
and Scott Podsednik, who said something once alone the lines of "My body is like a Porsche, if all the pistons aren't firing, I don't take it out of the garage."

Tool.

"It's hard to put your finger on it. You have to have a dullness of mind and spirit to play here." --Jim Brosnan

by cubbiejulie on Sep 7, 2006 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Podsenik
I agree with your assessment of his manhood, but in fairness it was Herm Schneider, the White Sox trainer, who said, "Pods is like a Porsche. Everything has to be running really smooth.  He's a high performance vehicle. He has to have everything running good or he gets a little concerned."

That his trainer basically called him a baby makes the story even better.

by DSZ on Sep 7, 2006 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought I recalled
hearing Scotty Pods himself say that in a clip on the radio, but perhaps I'm misremembering.
"It's hard to put your finger on it. You have to have a dullness of mind and spirit to play here." --Jim Brosnan

by cubbiejulie on Sep 7, 2006 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pitchers are babied too much
Back in the day guys like Steve Carlton, Tom Seaver, Jim Palmer, Fergie Jenkins, Rich Reuschel routinenly pitched on three days rest and logged 250 plus innings.  Nowadays we have fragile wusses like Mark Prior who go on the DL with a splinter on the pinkie of their non-pitching hand.  Thank God we still have the Greg Maddux' of the world.  We can blow up all these pitch count experts for my money.  

by BlueBooHoo on Sep 7, 2006 2:34 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Times have changed.
Pitchers are no longer trained to go many innings. And I think I have written about this before -- pitchers in earlier eras used to not throw their best stuff early, holding some velocity back for later innings. This doesn't happen now -- everyone throws all-out from the first pitch.

I'm not saying now is better than then, only different. It's never going back to the old way, either.

by Al on Sep 7, 2006 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

How about this?
 Pitchers in the past sometimes threw both games of a doubleheader.
 Yes, the game has changed. I think fans are sick of guys who can't stand the pain.
 It's the high salaries that have made sissies out of baseball players.

by Butchoh31 on Sep 8, 2006 7:38 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Comments For This Post Are Closed


User Tools

Welcome to Bleed Cubbie Blue, the Chicago Cubs blog for the SB Nation, created on February 9, 2005 by Al Yellon
Start posting about the Cubs »

Join SB Nation and dive into communities focused on all your favorite teams.

FanPosts

Community blog posts and discussion.

Recommended FanPosts

Chicagocubs1914_small
OT: Big-Ten, Vista-Demolition, Bad-News-Bears, Anything-Goes-on-a-Weekend Game Thread
Jake_fox_small
Cubs Should Go After Rich Hill
Chicagocubs1914_small
Last Out to First Pitch – The 2009-10 Offseason IT'S HAPPENING!!!??? Contest
Small
More From the Cubs in Winter Ball
Small
Don't Make the Mistake of Dumping Bradley

Recent FanPosts

Small
Should we trade him, or should we not?
Madduxflag_small
Starlin Castro Vitters etc LIVE Sat night
Helmet_small
Az Fall League Cubs
4167bqf31ml
Five tool player available!
Self-portrait-4_small
This Might Be A Long Shot...
Madduxflag_small
Convention Sold Out
P272649reg_small
OT: Why not name a field after Ernie?
Cubs_sweatrshirt_on_gravestone_small
Vernon Wells - prepping to be a Cub

+ New FanPost All FanPosts >

FanShots

Quick hits of video, photos, quotes, chats, links and lists that you find around the web.

Recommended FanShots

Gomez to drink your Brew, Hardy to eat your Twinkie
BP interviews Sam Fuld. Great read!
Who was the best MLB player born on your birthday?
Gary Matthews Jr.
Kerry Wood Says Black Players Got Hate Mail

Recent FanShots

OT: Lidge to have surgery
OT, sexist and imho funny
J.J Putz's Option Declined by Mets.
Does Soriano's defense at 2B really cost more runs than in LF?  He makes a lot fewer errors in LF since misplays and mental mistakes aren't figured into the stats, but I have to imagine that his mistakes are more physical at 2B.  Any thoughts?  Is there a statistic on this?
Sosa pays tribute to Michael Jackson?
Harden, Johnson File For Free Agency
Brett Myers released by the Phillies
Mark Teahen to Chicago....White Sox
More On The Dodger Divorce

+ New FanShot All FanShots >

It Is Only...

Cubs By The Numbers

Cubs By The Numbers is a history of the ballclub by uniform number, but the biographies help trace the history of our beloved team in a new way. For everyone who's a Cubs fan, anyone who ever wore the uniform is like family. Cubs By The Numbers reintroduces readers to some of their long-lost ancestors, even ones they think they already know.

Click here to order your copy, available now!

SPONSORS

Recent Stories in Ticket Exchanges

Yelloncard_small
Ticket Exchanges: Cubs Convention 2010
Yelloncard_small
Ticket Exchanges: General 2009 Ticket Exchange
Yelloncard_small
Ticket Exchanges: September 29-October 4 Homestand

Managing Editor

Yelloncard_small Al

Editorial Cartoonist

Toonmike_small toonmike

Contributors

Dsc_0139_small holy mackerel

100px-boisehawkscaplogo_small Josh77

Small shawndgoldman