Bonds tests positive for amphetamines.
No suspension to follow.
NEW YORK -- Barry Bonds failed a test for amphetamines last season and originally blamed it on a teammate, the Daily News reported Thursday.Barry Bonds
Bonds is still under investigation as to whether he perjured himself when he testified in 2003 that he never knowingly used performance-enhancing drugs.
When first informed of the positive test, Bonds attributed it to a substance he had taken from teammate Mark Sweeney's locker, the New York City newspaper said, citing several unnamed sources.
Can't say I'm surprised, as greenies were more common than even roids, but I'm surprised he'd be dumb enough to take the risk.
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2nd offenses carry a 25-game ban
by tyger1147 on Jan 11, 2007 7:44 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
It's a disturbuing trend
by NO100 on Jan 11, 2007 9:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I read in the paper today...
If the tests are to be a deterrent it's much more effective to make the results public once it's finalized, i.e., after appeal is concluded.
Bonds didn't seem to hesitate to use his shield from public scrutiny provided by the agreement to blame a teammate. (It seems pretty clear that he blamed his teammate because his teammate received a call from the league, lol...)
It will be interesting now to see how many butt kissers of his in the league (players and coaches and announcers) still kiss his oversized rump after he has committed the one sin that apparently qualifies you for the Ozzie Guillen Guillotine, which is naming other players--being a rat.
Did that ESPN "documentary" get in on tape when Barry mistakenly grabbed this stuff from his teammate's locker? I am sure they will be rolling that tape for a while.
by DudeVf11 on Jan 11, 2007 10:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder how it was leaked
by davidalanu on Jan 11, 2007 11:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
MLB has to do something....
If I were the commisioner I would ban Barry Bonds for the upcoming season to send a strong message of you don't do that "not in my house"!
by CubFanSince1970 on Jan 11, 2007 7:46 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Actually,
Really, though, it wouldn't be fair to ban him for a year, since they can't do it to any of the other players who have tested positive for amphetamines. The players union also has too much power to allow this to happen.
by secdelahc on Jan 11, 2007 9:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I agree.
I'm sorry, but what you said is the most ridiculous thing I've read in quite some time. So everybody else in baseball is subject to the rules of the game, but not Bonds. Fuck him! I don't like him so he go screw off and not play again. Bastard! Nevermind that he's as guilty according to MLB rules of steroid use as Greg Maddux is.
I have a revolutionary idea. If you want the steroid story in baseball to stop...stop talking about it. It's that simple. The media has sold you a line and you've bought it.
by Maddog on Jan 11, 2007 1:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You mean like...
I don't think so!
I'm not the one who created the problem and neither did the media! I guess you think if no one talks about it then there wouldn't be a problem. Kinda like my garbage can doesn't stink as long as I don't take the lid off!
The players pooped in the sandbox and a "big person" needs to clean it up. All I am saying is if I were in charge of MLB I certainly would do something drastic (like banning these druggies from the game) to clean it up! This has gone on long enough.
MLB is not the real world, and generally works by its own rules! But I am not in charge of MLB so you have nothing to worry about, dude!
by CubFanSince1970 on Jan 11, 2007 4:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
First offenses
This is what drives me CRAZY. They want to take a firm stance on this, yet they give these guys more slack than they know what to do with.
1st offense- we won't tell anybody, just don't do it again.
2nd offense- okay, we're gonna have to punish you. Just...please don't do it again?
3rd offense- ...ah, what the hell. Give me 2% of your paycheck for today and we'll call it even. And I hope you learned a valuble leason from all this.
by raalic17 on Jan 11, 2007 9:22 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
thank the MLBPA
by Faith plus 1 on Jan 11, 2007 11:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
1st offense
the second should be heavily penalized
by flyball on Jan 11, 2007 11:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Doofus
I hate Barry Bonds.
by cubbiejulie on Jan 11, 2007 11:07 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
maybe this will finally silence the morons...
by Thelonious on Jan 11, 2007 11:17 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Who has EVER said that?
This whole issue is a joke and I honestly can't believe people keep talking about it.
EVERYBODY in this game cheats. EVERYBODY in this game is a big fat piece of shit that isn't worth our time or energy rooting for them. EVERYBODY in this game would steal from their granny if they had a chance. EVERYBODY in this game is a worthless human being. That simple. PERIOD.
This obviously isn't true for everybody, but it is for about 85% of MLB players. And since I don't know who the 15% are and have know what whatsoever of knowing, they're all worthless piles of crap.
by Maddog on Jan 11, 2007 1:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I've heard it said frequently
I honestly don't care that much about the steroid issue. I don't see any difference between using roids, and the better vitamin/nutritional programs of this era in terms of giving advantages over past eras.
The ONLY thing that pisses me off is that there is a significant contingent of people (most of them baseball insiders) who kiss barry's ass, and act like his skill comes without help. If those people would just acknowledge his cheating, I would be happy. I DON'T think that barry should be punished more than any other player, just becasue he happens to be a douchebag, however.
by Thelonious on Jan 11, 2007 1:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
In the past couple of weeks
So, my conclusion as to why Ditka said that was an acknowledgement that Merriman's postive steroid test shouldn't be held against him since everyone is doing it and, since he paid the punishment, he was square with the league.
Anyway, maybe that's why the insiders are kissing Barry's ass as they realize that he's not out of line with the average MLB player.
by NO100 on Jan 11, 2007 2:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree that
However, I disagree that taking steroids is like taking vitamins or other supplements. It is clearly detrimental to your health and sends a terrible signal to young athletes, many of whom have been harmed by the example they have set.
I do think he deserves to be punished more than any other player. He has earned more as a result of his cheating, and as an elite player he does have a responsibility to the baseball community to hold up certain standards. He has behaved like a jerk, cheated, hurt the sport, and set a terrible example to young athletes.
I completely hope that MLB finally does the right thing and punishes him in some way. The man is a disgrace.
by nickler on Jan 11, 2007 4:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Steroids.......
by PriorandAramisfan23 on Jan 11, 2007 4:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
stop reading <u>Juiced</u>
by flyball on Jan 12, 2007 9:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hold on...
And Thelonious Drunk is absolutely right when he talks about steroids being much the same as the supplements you get in the nutrition store near your home. They do the EXACT same thing that steroids do to the body in the EXACT same manner that steroids do. The only difference you may wonder? The LEGAL supplements are more dangerous than the designer steroids.
This has never been about health or the kids or anything else. It's about home runs and nothing more. Nobody is crying foul about Roger Clemens when we know for an absolute fact that he's a steroid user. The guy, for crying out loud, got a better benefit from steroids than Bonds at an older age than Bonds. But nobody cares. He's a pitcher and not hitting home runs.
Furthermore, nobody seems to be able to add 2 and 2 together to realize that if the hitters are getting better because of steroids (evidence, by the way, proves this theory wrong!) that the pitchers are getting the same benefit so we're back to an even playing field and Bonds' home runs in this era are every bit as REAL as if he'd hit them in 1950. You have juiced pitchers and juiced hitters. Do the math.
And not a single person around cares about the pitchers taking steroids because they aren't hitting home runs. If people would finally, once and for all, admit why this is an issue (home runs and home runs alone!) that's one thing, but as long as people are going to hide behind some absurd idea that it's about the kids or whatever else, I'm going to point out the hypocrisy in those statements every single time.
YOu're absolutely right. There is an eneven playing field. Pitchers make up about 75% of the players who have tested positive and there's been the biggest boost in players hitting about 15-20 home runs and NOT 50 or more home runs. It's the guys who once hit 5-10 who have received this benefit from steroids...if there has been one.
The bottom line is that for people crying about the legitimacy of the stats is that you have more juiced pitchers than you have juiced hitters and Bonds has STILL hit a shitload of home runs. He's done so in the toughest home run hitting park for a left-handed batter in history.
Also, nobody seems to be able to comprehend that when a guy hits, say, 73 home rus with the kind of power Barry has always displayed that it's absolutely no different than a guy like the loved, cherished, and god-like Ryne Sandberg hitting 30 and 40 home runs. Both instances are so out of the ordinary that it's as fair to say Barry was taking steroids as it is to say Ryne Sandberg was taking them. He saw a HUGE boost in his power later in his career and nobody thinks twice. Why? Simple. Because Sandberg wasn't breaking any home run records and he's not going to be anytime soon. Truth be told, it's far more out of the ordinary to see a boost in power that Sandberg saw than the one we saw from Bonds. But, of course, nobody is interested in logic when it comes to steroids, which, by the way, hurt the player's health (knees, ligaments, joints, etc. over time) as much as they help a player. But, again, fuck logic, dude. I don't like Bonds and he's a cheating asshole so screw him.
Yeah, this issue gets to me. People stop thinking when it comes to steroids. People stop asking questions that should be asked. People stop using logical thoughts to aid them in coming to conclusions. So while I have little respect for someone like Bonds, I have great respect for his achievements because I can neither know for sure the impact of steroids (though early indications are that it doesn't help one damn bit!) or who else and how many were taking them. When someone wants to think rationally about this they will see how irrational they've been. I have less respect for the individuals who pretend it's about the kids or some other bullshit than I do for the players who have taken steroids. And I have even less respect for the assholes that can't add 2 and 2 together and don't equally attack the pitchers as much as they do the hitters. YOu can learn a lot about a person by their reactions to steroids in baseball. And I'm embarassed to say that what I've learned over the years is an embarassment to mankind like I never thought possible.
by Maddog on Jan 13, 2007 10:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Roger Clemens.
I've never seen any definitive published evidence that Clemens uses steroids, or has in the past. If you have such evidence, please share it with us.
by Al on Jan 13, 2007 11:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Of course
There have long been rumors that MLB is protecting Clemens from the steroid investigation. Hell, there have been rumors that he's failed tests. When you hear it once, fine. When you hear it twice, you think about it. When you hear about it 4 or 5 dozen times, well, he's as much a steroid user as anyone else in this game has ever been.
So, no, I don't have definitive proof and there haven't been any books written about his use, but why is that? Because he's not hitting any home runs. That's why. He's not about to break the all-time home run record. That's why it's of no interest to journalists and baseball fans everywhere. But I'll bet every penny I have that he's taken them, is still taking them, and has taken them for a long time.
I mean, honestly, do you really think he hasn't? It's as obvious to me as it is that Carlos Zambrano is taking them. And we all LOVE Carlos!
by Maddog on Jan 13, 2007 3:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
steroids are like anything else
As I said before, the excuse that we're "protecting the kids" is a smokescreen of bullshit.
by Thelonious on Jan 13, 2007 4:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
<LOUD SUSTAINED APPLAUSE>
by socalbob on Jan 13, 2007 12:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
wow
secondly, I was just reacting to a nearly word for word echoing of Canseco (not that I think Priorfan was necessarily quoting) but I did, in fact, read the book, and not only was it poorly written, but at times I felt dangerous in his casual attitude about taking steroids
thirdly, do not pretend to undestand my feelings on steroid use, you don't know what they are. its a complicated issue, and deserves a thoughtful reaction, but my feelings have less to do with whether or not Sammy and Bonds took them, and more to do with someone I've known who got busted for them, and it IS about the kids for me, namely if my loved ones could have gotten exposed to the usage
so, while I appreciate your thoughtful post, please do not lecture me on the benefits of steroids, or how I'm wrong in my thoughts when you don't know what they are
by flyball on Jan 15, 2007 2:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I do get tired of people
I'm 21, and I wasn't a high school athlete too long ago. If high school athletes are too dumb to realize that taking 'roids isn't healthy for them (as is widely reported), and are so impressionable that they do whatever their pro idols do (which is a mistake right there), then that is just natural selection at work.
That isn't a shot at you, Nickler. Its a shot at the conventional wisdom of the average american. Caring about kids is one thing, but I think we center far too much policy around protecting them. That is what parenting is for.
by Thelonious on Jan 11, 2007 5:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you.
Luckily my sport (long distance running and marathons) is not one in which I felt I was going to make a living. But for some people, athletics is going to be their career. And when everyone else is cheating, it can drive very reasonable and intelligent people to do the same if only to "have a chance" at succeeding.
I have stayed up for 48 hours straight at a time for my career. I know it's not a good thing for my body, but my career was worth it for the benefits for my lifestyle and for my family.
Many have used steroids for the very same reason. It's not like taking cocaine for fun. People have been put in situations where they feel they have to use this stuff for their LIVELIHOODS.
Shame on McGwire, Sosa, Bonds and the whole steroid bunch for cheating and for MLB for ignoring the whole thing.
by nickler on Jan 12, 2007 4:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And I hope
by nickler on Jan 12, 2007 4:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I understand why many feel that way...
I don't care that much about steroid use itself.
I understand that players might do that, because they worry about their livelihood, but that is hardly different than the fact that I LOVE to feel really amazingly good (and who doesn't), but I don't use heroin. I have a friend who is a recovering heroin addict, and he can tell you that the rewards don't even come close to matching the sacrifices. If athletes can't realize that doing something that hurts their body in order to help their career isn't smart, then I guess that is their problem. I don't see how that is "unfair": life isn't fair. Athletes that can't make big money without chemical help are just like the rest of us who played sports that don't allow the opportunity to make big money, or those that don't have athletic ability. That is just tough shit, and they will have to get a job like the rest of us. It isn't a fundamental right that everyone should be able to make obscene amounts of cash playing a game.
by Thelonious on Jan 12, 2007 8:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nickler
It's far too easy to blame the best of the era because their perfgormance is elite to begin with. Fact is as many or more pitchers were on some sort of juice and many people mistakenly want to blame hitters.
by socalbob on Jan 13, 2007 10:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
My favorite part about all this...
by escapegoat on Jan 11, 2007 11:59 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Why am I not surprised?
by Faith plus 1 on Jan 11, 2007 12:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bonds statement:
by escapegoat on Jan 11, 2007 12:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I could see him in
by Faith plus 1 on Jan 11, 2007 12:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You know...
by raalic17 on Jan 11, 2007 12:12 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I would love to see all the MLB pitchers
by nickler on Jan 11, 2007 4:38 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Last March...
I'd recommend that again this year. Don't ever let him get a hit of any kind.
by Al on Jan 11, 2007 4:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

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