Why There Should Be A College Football Playoff, Reason 12,654

photo by Al
SCOTTSDALE, Arizona -- I had about twelve different opening lines rolling around in my head last night for this post.
Darn those Boise State and Oklahoma football players for rewriting the script about 15 times in the last quarter and overtime!
In what Mark & I agreed was probably the greatest football game either of us had ever seen (on TV or in person), and for Mark was, according to him, the most exciting sporting event he'd ever attended in person, Boise State blew a 28-10 lead to trail 35-28 with a minute to go, tied it up on an improbable "hook-and-ladder" play (I'd never even heard of that one before), and then had to do another razzle-dazzle play on a two-point conversion attempt in overtime to defeat Oklahoma 43-42 in the 2007 Fiesta Bowl.
The game was actually somewhat of a yawner until the fourth quarter; the Oklahoma Sooners and their vaunted running back Adrian Peterson, who is no relation to the Bears' Adrian Peterson -- what is it about certain sports names that seem to repeat each other? I swear, there must be a dozen Ja(y)son Williams floating around pro sports -- played pretty flat, while the Boise State Broncos were doing their best imitation of the Bears' defense, scoring one touchdown after a fumble recovery deep in Sooners territory and another on a 28-yard interception return by Marty Tadman.
The half-and-half stadium crowd -- we were in the end zone, so in sort of a "mixed" area, with one side being all-crimson Oklahoma and the other being the garish orange of Boise State -- was fairly quiet most of the first three quarters; -- chants of "Boomer! Sooner!" (What does that mean, anyway?) and "Boise! State!" were about the only thing punctuating the stop-and-go offenses. That, and TV timeouts that seemed long enough for Adrian Peterson to break his collarbone again and heal it.
But when Boise State's QB Jared Zabransky did his best Rex Grossman imitation and put up a poorly-aimed pass that was intercepted by the Sooners' Marcus Walker for a touchdown that put Oklahoma in the lead, the Oklahoma fans (OK, we were rooting for Boise State -- as Cubs fans, how could we not love the underdog?) made the stadium literally shake. Or, at least half of it shake, as the orange-clad side sat in stunned silence.
Until the 50-yard trick play that resulted in the tying touchdown.
And until Peterson's 25-yard run on the first play of overtime put Oklahoma ahead again.
And until the Statue of Liberty play on the two-point conversion attempt ended the game.
Not to mention the marriage proposal (accepted) given by Boise State RB Ian Johnson to his girlfriend, right on the field after the game.
Exciting? You bet.
Now think about what people would be saying about this game if it had been, say, a national semifinal playoff game. It would be legendary.
And Boise State is 13-0. Granted, their quality of competition may not be what Oklahoma's, or Ohio State's, is, but they beat everyone they played. And if Florida upsets Ohio State, Boise State would be the only undefeated Division I-A team. So why wouldn't they have a claim on the national title?
A playoff -- probably among 8 teams -- is the best answer. Maybe this game will begin serious discussion.
About the experience -- we couldn't have had a better time. Despite dire warnings of traffic gridlock, we had no trouble getting in OR out of the parking lot. The stadium does look from the outside like a giant spaceship that's landed in the middle of the Arizona desert. Given its oval shape and the lack of other nearby landmarks, credit to the designers for putting huge numbers and letters near the gates so you can give yourself bearings when exiting the stadium. Inside, one nice touch on the aisles is to indicate which seat numbers are on which end of the aisle -- since we had aisle seats, we could go right away to the right aisle instead of having to pile over a dozen people.
The concourses are nothing special, though well-lit; they reminded me a bit of the Skydome (now Rogers Centre) in Toronto. In trying to walk all the way around, we found a bit of a bottleneck at the opposite end zone from our seats (the end that opens up to allow the field to roll out), but otherwise the concourses are wide with no trouble finding anything. The food is a bit pricey but pretty good -- I had a foot-long hotdog with chili & cheese for $6.75 -- and all the stadium employees seemed cheerful and helpful. There were no incidents in the stands as far as I could see and everyone seemed very much into the game.
Before the game I was pleasantly surprised to hear the announcement that the Colgate Thirteen, an a cappella singing group from my alma mater, was to sing "God Bless America". The Thirteen, named in honor of the 13 men who founded Colgate, have been singing across the country for over 60 years. And as noted above, apart from the many interminable TV timeouts, where the defensive players would stand around on the field, and the officials would wait hands on hips for the signal from the sideline, the game was tremendously exciting, well worth it, and that's coming from someone (me) who's just a casual college football fan.
The local papers here in the Phoenix area were comparing Boise State's season to what George Mason did in last year's NCAA basketball tournament. They have a point, but how much better it'd be if Boise State, say, would have put themselves in a national title game by winning such an amazing, exciting, exhilarating, compelling game as they did last night.
I-A Football playoffs, NCAA. Now. It's time.
I'll have today's top 100 post up this afternoon.
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Wow, Wow, and Wow
by BillHoldenFan on Jan 2, 2007 10:10 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
2nd best game I've seen
It was a better game from start to finish, in my opinion.
by socalbob on Jan 3, 2007 9:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I remember that game.
by Al on Jan 3, 2007 9:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I...
A) it was my senior year at NU,
B) it helped us win a share of the Big 10 Title,
C) it featured an absolute onslaught all game long of offense,
D) went from devastation (Damien Anderson's dropped pass wide open in the end zone on 4th down that would have given NU the lead), to despair (all Michigan has to do is get a first down to win), to temporary depression (oh my God Anthony Thomas is breaking through the line for a sure touchdown), to hope (wait, he's swinging his arm back...), to elation (he fumbled! We have it!), to ecstacy (Sam Simmons post pattern touchdown!), to storming the field against my personal second most-hated team (Michigan follows narrowly behind Notre Dame). Being there, dressed in purple wigs, a night game.....simply unbelievable.
Here's a youtube link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNsztT9yzuI
by Chadnudj on Jan 3, 2007 12:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I was there too
We have a lot in common--I hate Notre Dame more than any school--ever. They make me want to puke.
by socalbob on Jan 3, 2007 9:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I make it much simpler.
by Al on Jan 4, 2007 10:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds great
The Bears look terrible right now. Looks like their 12-year streak without a playoff win is in no danger of being broken.
by danimal15 on Jan 2, 2007 10:28 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Unless...
by Al on Jan 2, 2007 10:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
They can beat...
Both can beat the Bears, of course, if Grossman has one of his crap games. But provided Grossman is even mediocre, the Bears can win.
Philly and New Orleans concern me, but neither are exactly powerhouses.
by MikeJ on Jan 2, 2007 11:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Great Game
by indytaz on Jan 2, 2007 10:39 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Begrudgingly...
But what would happen to all the other bowls? I mean, I'm a Northwestern fan - we're never going to be playing for a national title in a playoff, but I'd still love to go to some bowl games.
Any discussion of a playoff has to begin with ending conference title games (designed to fill the pockets of conferences, but one game too many if we're going to add three potential games to some team's schedule) and basically a requirement that no team play more than 12 (or maybe even 11?) games a year, not counting bowls/playoffs.
Until then, keep the bowls as they are....who cares about having 1 national champion, when in a year like this, two teams (OSU and Boise State) and their fans could celebrate national titles, of a sort....I don't need one team to win it all to be happy.
And as a test, who was the national champion in college football in 1997? Do you remember?
Exactly. (P.S. Michigan and Nebraska split the title....10 years later, does anyone care?)
by Chadnudj on Jan 2, 2007 10:47 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Good points...
First of all, one of the ways a playoff could be staged is to use the existing bowl structure. If you have eight teams, four of the existing bowl games could be part of it for the first round, two others for the semifinals, then rotate the championship site, much as is done now with the BCS.
If you want 16 teams in a playoff, then more of the existing bowl games could be used. For the rest of the existing bowls, they're a nice "consolation prize" for the teams that didn't make the playoff.
You're right about the conference championship games being eliminated if you have a playoff.
And sure, maybe no one cares about who was national champion 10 years ago. But if there were a playoff, maybe more WOULD care, and maybe more would remember, too.
Finally -- as far as Northwestern is concerned, I'd think that the first time they went to the Rose Bowl back in 1996, weren't they ranked in the top 5 going into the game? They'd have been part of a playoff that year for sure.
by Al on Jan 2, 2007 10:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Good points...
1) Using the existing bowl structure for the "playoffs" - first, since I'm the type of guy that likes to give schools that perform well the reward of a trip to a bowl (even if they are not one of the top 8-16 teams in the country), I don't like the idea of getting rid of those slots. (I would, though, like to see a rule enacted requiring teams to have a record better than 6-6, and maybe a couple fewer bowls overall). Second, extending it like this might make the season go until the Super Bowl, which won't work when up against the NFL playoffs. Third and perhaps most importantly is the issue of travel - fans of the team (particularly students) can make it to one bowl game in a distant city, but it's asking a lot to make it to potentially 3 cities.
My solution, I guess, would be to require all college football teams to complete their season by Thanksgiving. The 8 best teams would be chosen and seeded, with the highest seeds getting home games. The next week, the first round is played, leaving us with 4 teams that won (the other four teams that lost could then affiliate with normal bowls). The final four would be reseeded into 2 BCS bowl games (say the Fiesta/Orange/Sugar) to both be played on January 1st. The winners of those games would then travel to the final site (the Rose Bowl, cause face it, it's the best) for the National Title game, to be played around the 10th or 11th (middle of the week, and time enough for fans/students to road trip anywhere)
- I've said this before and I'll say it again - if you think picking the 2 best teams to play in a bowl is tough, try picking the 8 best teams for a playoff. Can you imagine the sniping from teams 9-12 at being left out? Or, this year, when Notre Dame would have probably made it despite being wildly overrated?
- Yes, Northwestern would have been in the playoffs that year. And while I hope it could happen again, I doubt we'll ever see something like that again (although I have HUGE faith in Pat Fitzgerald to make this team into a juggernaut, and become NU's version of Joe Paterno)
by Chadnudj on Jan 2, 2007 1:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
As an Auburn fan
by LT on Jan 2, 2007 2:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You're right...
by Al on Jan 2, 2007 3:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why there will never be a tournament
Money.
The current bowl system is all about money, exactly the same way that the March Madness Tournament is also all about money.
The problem with the idea of converting the current bowl system over to a playoff is that the bowl games would lose money.
Current bowl games count on the participating teams traveling large numbers of fans, with those fans spending large amounts of cash during their stay.
Let's say that I am a fan of "Team A", and my team gets selected as the eighth seed in the 2010 NCAA Football tournament. I have saved up, but I only have enough to attend a single game (plane fare, hotel, food, etc.). Suddenly I have a choice to make. Do I go to the first round game? Or do I stay home and hope that maybe my team will make it to the championship game?
Meanwhile, the bowl games are suddenly faced with the prospects of having to struggle to sell tickets. Instead of a virtually guaranteed sell out, suddenly they have to market their event. These "guaranteed money makers" suddenly aren't so much a guarantee.
The way that the 1AA, 2 and 3 playoffs work is that the higher seed gets to host. The games are virtually guaranteed to be sellouts because they are all home games. There is a built in crowd for every event. Even if the other team doesn't travel well, the event will make money.
The only way the current bowl system will change is if the outcry for a playoff becomes so loud that people decide that they no longer want to spend the money to attend the events. But as it is, the only real complaints about the lack of a playoff come from the media and those teams that are on the outside looking in.
by Ross on Jan 2, 2007 10:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I beg to differ...
It will not interfere with the current system that is in place. In fact it will give locations such as the Orange Bowl, the Fiesta Bowl and the Rose Bowl another opportunity to make even more money after the bowl season.
It is my belief that not only will the NCAA figure out a way to make a playoff system, but these bowl locations will also find a way to tack on additional yearly revenue by hosting these games after they have already hosted their annual bowl games.
Money being the factor here is exactly why there will be a playoff in the next few years. Think of not only the extra games at these premier locations, but also consider the advertising dollars as well as the extra money going to the universities involved in this playoff.
To say that the money that is brought in for the bowls is the reason why there would never be a playoff, is to completely deny the greed of these enterprises that host these events to begin with.
As far as ticket sales.... I am sorry but this is absolutely ridiculous. Let's just say that Michigan has 1 million fans in the United States that want to attend there bowl game (and can afford the trip).....now they just tripled their odds. Do you honestly think that there are not lines of people that wanted to go to that bowl game but couldn't get tickets???
Once again on the issue of ticket sales....I have tried to purchase bowl tickets in the past......very difficult. Much like season tickets to a pro sports team, do you honestly think that these bowl venues would have a difficult time selling out? Trust me, there are many people waiting in the wings to purchase those tickets.
The bottom line is that from a financial aspect, a playoff system would bring much more revenue to both the colleges, the networks and the communities of the bowl locations. To use that as a reason to not have a playoff doesn't make sense to me. It would benefit everyone escept for the student athlete.
by santo for prez on Jan 3, 2007 2:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well,
UZI
by Ozgreeder on Jan 2, 2007 10:55 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Indeed
Perhaps Notre Dame just isn't all that good of a team.
DmL
by dmlichte on Jan 2, 2007 11:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Unfortunately,
I've talked to college coaches in the know, and we won't be seeing a playoff for a while. I think the only thing that would ramp up the process is if four or more teams finished undefeated; then BCS officials would have no choice but to reconsider.
The good news is my alma mater, Appalachian State, is the true champion out of the I-AA playoffs, two years in a row!
by nextyearcub on Jan 2, 2007 10:55 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
A few comments
My Wisconsin fandom will come out here, but they should have had the chance to play for the national championship in some way. No, they should not have been 1 or 2 in the BCS, however teams get better over the course of the season and their one loss in their first Big Ten game at Ann Arbor ended their title hopes. They are a significantly better team then they were in week 4 of the season. Who knows if Wisconsin, Boise State, and Rutgers are on the same level of OSU and Florida, but for teams that reach this level of talent every decade or two, or sometimes once or twice a century, they should have a chance to win the championship.
DmL
by dmlichte on Jan 2, 2007 10:59 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
While I agree...
by santo for prez on Jan 2, 2007 11:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hear, hear....
by Ross on Jan 2, 2007 12:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't disagree
DmL
by dmlichte on Jan 2, 2007 1:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I completely agree...
I definitely think that the Big Ten screws themselves on this layoff though as they usually finish a couple of weeks ahead of the other major conferences.
by santo for prez on Jan 2, 2007 3:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Highlights
by Jesse Guam on Jan 2, 2007 11:12 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Our seats...
by Al on Jan 2, 2007 11:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Unbelievably jealous
by TkGoUWGB on Jan 4, 2007 1:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm glad
by sue369 on Jan 2, 2007 11:14 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I haven't...
by Al on Jan 2, 2007 11:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
For Al, and all others who missed it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENwDDB0dlRk&NR
by nextyearcub on Jan 2, 2007 11:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Give credit to the Big Guy on the O lIne.
by Ross on Jan 2, 2007 12:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Two linemen
Just a great, great play all around.
by Jesse Guam on Jan 2, 2007 12:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If they show the interception...
by santo for prez on Jan 2, 2007 12:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Envy, envy, envy...
Playoffs please. It works for 1-AA (or the NCAA Divionsion One Championship Subdivision) because I've seen the championships three years in a row. I'm pretty sure 1-A could figure it out.
by stelmodad on Jan 2, 2007 11:44 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
there is no doubt
by tbizzle83 on Jan 2, 2007 12:03 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Boomer sooner
Sooners were 19th century homesteaders on the great plains who crossed into unincorporated federal land and settled there before the government officially opened the land for settlement.
I'm not sure what boomers are, but I think they were the ones who waited until the land was open before they settled.
by mikey on Jan 2, 2007 12:09 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Thanks.
by Al on Jan 2, 2007 12:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
A "Boomer"
by soonerbered on Jan 2, 2007 12:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Correction....
by soonerbered on Jan 2, 2007 12:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
game and a question!!!
by cubsluver22 on Jan 2, 2007 12:43 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Problem
As it was, they had to add another bowl game to let Boise State in. I guess they didn't have to, but they weren't going to cost one of the power schools a spot in a big bowl to let BSU in.
Again, I don't understand this "This is why we need a playoff" talk over this game. This game doesn't happen if there is a playoff system. Boise gets shut out or at best, gets a first round date with Ohio State.
There are lots of good arguments for a playoff system in college football, and you've listed some. This game was a great argument for the bowl system, because this game was a product of the bowl system.
A playoff system takes the game away from the local fans too. For a lot of people, they plan their winter vacation around their college team's bowl game. With a playoff system, 99% of the fans are not going to be able to take a four week vacation and travel around the country going to four playoff games. (And if you have fewer than a 16 team field, again, BSU doesn't get invited.)
I neither support nor oppose a college football playoff. I'm married to the daughter of two Boise State professors, and I'm OK with BSU not getting a shot at OSU. (So are they in fact.) I am convinced that the bowls that aren't part of the playoffs would go the way of the NIT tournament in basketball if there were a playoff. Now maybe that's not a bad thing--is there really a need for the San Diego County Credit Union Poinsettia Bowl? But honestly, I don't understand how the bowl system can produce a game as great as this one and that makes everyone bitch about how awful the bowls are.
by Josh77 on Jan 2, 2007 12:45 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
ESPN went to the organizers
(The idea was proposed after another bowl went under -- I think it was the one in San Jose?)
The Poinsettia Bowl SOLD 40K tickets, but only 29K were in the stands. (It was a very chilly night, by SD standards, I was going to pick up a ticket, but I don't live in CA to freeze at a football game.)
The game was profitable, says the staff of the Holiday Bowl.
Essentially, they are hoping that Navy can make this game....which would automatically give them 45k, as was the case in Game 1. (It's really The San Diego County Credit Union (Navy-better-be good-this-year) Poinsettia Bowl.
by Smooth Jazz Man San Diego on Jan 2, 2007 1:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If
Navy signed an agreement a year ago to play in the Meineke Bowl in Charlotte, NC as long as they became bowl eligible during the 2006 season, so there was NO CHANCE they would play in SD.
It is thought that the agreement between MEINEKE and Navy will get extended for three years.
I think the Silicon Valley Bowl was the one that got de-certified.
The surest evidence that there are TOO MANY bowl games is the fact that two teams who played in bowl games this year have now fired their head coach (so far).
Arizona State and Minnesota.
by jazzman56 on Jan 2, 2007 1:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
More on Poinsettia
"I don't see anything changing," he said. "We're very happy with the Mountain West Conference arrangement, and we still want to be able to keep our at-large (team), because that allows us the opportunity to get a Navy or an Army into our game on a semi-regular basis."
Navy, which won the inaugural Poinsettia Bowl with a 51-30 win over Colorado State, sold 20,000 tickets in advance of the game. This year's game had a pre-existing contract with Army, but the Cadets failed to win the six games necessary to qualify for the bid.
by Smooth Jazz Man San Diego on Jan 2, 2007 10:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Excellent points
by Ryan on Jan 2, 2007 1:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It made me....
by soonerbered on Jan 2, 2007 12:55 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
game/luggage
by wccubfan on Jan 2, 2007 12:56 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
You sound like Thom Brennamen...
But as a college football fanatic (hook 'em horns), I'm not against the idea of a playoff. The key is finding a balance between maintaining the urgency of the season and still admitting enough of the worthy teams. Take Ohio State-Michigan in the last game of the season...you may hate the current system, but at least it puts everything on the line in great, traditional games like this. It would be a disaster (in my opinion) if both teams came into that fixture knowing they could lose and still make the playoffs. This is why you'd want any such tournament to be exclusive enough to keep eligible teams worried about making it till the very end.
At the same time, an 8-team playoff would not be satisfactory because Boise St. would probably not have been selected to play. The 'major' conferences would never agree to a playoff system without guarantees that they'd have a representative, essentially claiming 6 spots right there. This year the remaining two spots would've probably gone to the likes of Mighigan, Notre Dame, or LSU. Yes, Boise had the undefeated record, but I think most would agree that their schedule played a role in that.
So do we go with a 16 team format and let each of the 11 conferences have a representative (and use national rankings for seeding)? That might be the only way, but I'd worry about admitting as many as 5 wild-cards. Another way might be a 13 team format (11 conference winners and two wild-cards), with 3 teams earning a bye through their national ranking.
Anyway, there are clearly enough talking points that a playoff is likely a long ways off. Just remember that at least the BCS gives us 1 v 2 (even if they're chosen subjectively). There was a time when we weren't even guaranteed that.
by Ryan on Jan 2, 2007 1:14 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Glad to hear
One game is not the tipping point. The bowl system is much too ingrained into the system -- the so-called national championship game doesn't really mean that much to me.
College basketball had that empty slate to create the perfect system. (Hey, when I was a kid the NIT was everything!) The Bowl network, in extreme cases is decades upon decades old. That's tough to change.
by Smooth Jazz Man San Diego on Jan 2, 2007 10:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ummm
by jazzman56 on Jan 2, 2007 11:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
TB's 'Voice Of God'
by Smooth Jazz Man San Diego on Jan 3, 2007 3:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm
You don't like his style, and you are entitled to your opinion. However, the purpose of my post was to point out the fallacy of your labeling his comments as "self serving". I notice you did not address that in your post.
by jazzman56 on Jan 3, 2007 4:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Your Question, Al...
It means they're a bunch of idiots.
GO HORNS!!
by Rynot on Jan 2, 2007 1:26 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Idiots huh?
by soonerbered on Jan 2, 2007 2:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh Snap!
By the way, how did Boomer Sooner do against Bevo this year?
by Rynot on Jan 2, 2007 8:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Boomer ?Sooner?
by theantigoat on Jan 2, 2007 9:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
First example of name calling.
I suggest you try to defend your position with thoughts, opinions, and dare I say -- facts.
It's a bit more creative.
by Smooth Jazz Man San Diego on Jan 3, 2007 3:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No playoff!
I wish we didn't have so many bowls, period. Any 6 win team gets looked at and they really shouldn't.
Yes, my boys in Maize and Blue got screwed when the the final voters gave Osbourne a going away present with a co-National Championship 10 years ago, but that's what gives us all something to talk/complain about.
IMHO, leave it as is. It's perfect.
by BigJohnAZ on Jan 2, 2007 1:31 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Ummmm, yeah
by LilLPLancer23 on Jan 2, 2007 2:45 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
oops
by LilLPLancer23 on Jan 2, 2007 3:29 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
soonerbered???
What the hell does that mean, soonerbered..... you are a moron. By the good luck next year with, Rhett Booomar, I mean, A.D., wait, I mean....... who the flip are you guys gonna march out there next year again? Stoops is a shmuck, your Sooners are going to the toilet and there is nothing you can do about it. Hook em Horns.
by theantigoat on Jan 2, 2007 9:02 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
ummmm...????
by cubsluver22 on Jan 2, 2007 10:15 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
ummmm...????
by theantigoat on Jan 2, 2007 10:34 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Whoopin' stick?
Please, let's get back to the major leagues....
by Smooth Jazz Man San Diego on Jan 2, 2007 10:38 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'm just
by sue369 on Jan 3, 2007 8:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Whoopin' stick
by Rynot on Jan 3, 2007 11:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nice
Whatever you say, you fish-taco-eating jerk. This is a Cubs site, remember?
by Rynot on Jan 3, 2007 11:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"Unfounded presumptions?"
If you have concern with the sentence "get back to the major leagues" that was more for comedic effect. If you think it means anything else, that's your fault.
I have noticed that this is a Cubs, site, yes.
Thanks for authenticating that for me. Much appreciated.
You might want to try them. You might actually like them.
Now, if that place was next to this place,
Oops! not talking baseball. I apologize for getting off topic.
by Smooth Jazz Man San Diego on Jan 3, 2007 3:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The best college football game ever
by massey1984 on Jan 3, 2007 5:21 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

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