Worst Manager in Cubs History
I got this idea in reading the diary in which we talk once again about the worst Cub in history, this time with some great research by Al. My vote for this dubious honor has not changed: Todd Hundley. When someone mentioned Dusty Baker, though, it occurred to me to stick with the negativity theme (I have nothing but positive engery focused toward the 2007 season, however) and discuss the worst Cubs manager(s) in team history. As I stated in the aforementioned diary, my vote goes to Preston Gomez, who guided most of a last-place, 98-loss season in 1980, before getting canned near the end of July. Gomez, in fact, had seven seasons as a Major League manager with San Diego, Houston, and the Cubs. All but one of his teams finished last. I'm curious what, exactly, he said in his interview that sold the Wrigleys on him. Just wondering. Anyway, have at it.
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Two words.
by Al on Jan 31, 2007 10:24 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Second that....
by Ross on Jan 31, 2007 11:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Jim Essian's incompetence
On the Sunday evening of July 7, 1991, the Cardinals and the Cubs were on ESPN. The Cubs had brought up Laddie Renfroe for his cup of coffee as a reliever. He was a soft-tosser whose major-league career consisted of four games. July 7th was either his second or third of them. We went into extra innings against the Cards. This was the last game before the All-Star break. Only two other relievers were had been used that night, and only one had been used the previous night, and for one inning. Renfroe came in in the bottom of the 9th with 2 outs, blew a save and gave up two hits (run charged to McElroy), but he got through the 10th and 11th unscathed. The Cubs got a run in the top of the 12th (Dascenzo doubled in Dunston.)
Now, what do you do? You have a 29 year old reliever in line for his first major league victory. He's already pitched 2 1/3 innings and faced 9 batters. You have a rested bullpen, plus no pitcher who will be used in the next 3 days. The heart of the Cardinal lineup is scheduled (Zeile, Guerrero, Jose). What do you do?
That's right, you leave him in to be pummeled for 4 hits and one intentional walk in 5 batters in the bottom of the 12th. What a brilliant manager.
by BruceR on Jan 31, 2007 12:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No question
DmL
by dmlichte on Jan 31, 2007 12:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Essian
by danimal15 on Jan 31, 2007 9:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Joe Altobelli, Roy Johnson, Rene Lachemann
Of course, they all each managed just one game, so take that for whatever it's worth.
by nextyearcub on Jan 31, 2007 10:27 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
worst manager
by mike on Jan 31, 2007 10:35 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Interesting point.
You make an interesting point about Durocher, though. I guess a guy with great talent to work with who does not win deserves his fair share of scrutiny. OK, you could chalk up 1969 to the Mets just getting hot and going on a Cinderella run. But in 1970, they had the same team plus Joe Pepitone, and they still did not win.
by ctcoff99 on Jan 31, 2007 11:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Kinda like Baker in 2004
by Perkins on Jan 31, 2007 11:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The college of coaches
by mrcubsfan on Jan 31, 2007 12:02 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Dusty Baker
There was always an excuse.....too many day games, wind blowing too hard, too many injuries, broadcaster's fault. Like Stoney said and ctcoff99, this is a great signature, "Don't complain to me about the stormy weather, boys. Just bring the ship to port."
And Dusty just never should have let it slip away from us in 2003!!
Lastly and possibly the most important reason I nominate Dusty, is that I blame him for Stoney leaving the WGN broadcast booth.
by deadcatbounce on Jan 31, 2007 12:03 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I agree with the call on Dusty......
-2004
-The Neifi experience
-Freddy Bynum
-His ego
-Latroy as closer
and numerous other head scratching moves and at least from my experience watching the Cubs (1990-1997) and later from (2003-20??) Dusty without question was the worst manager I've ever seen. I think Hendry plays a small part in it too.....he signed Baker when he should have gone with Freddi Gonzazlez and worse yet after 2004 he kept Baker for another 2 years.
by PriorandAramisfan23 on Jan 31, 2007 1:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
One of the most ridiculous comments I've read..
The great thing about baseball is we can argue and have differing opinions.
I've argued pitcher abuse points with others here and I find it a stinking pant-load.
What happens within a short series is a poor way to evaluate a manager. See LaRussa's first few trips to the post-season as an overwhelming favorite. The '03 Cubs were predicted by NO ONE to do anything that year.
Baker will get another managing gig, unlike most ex-Cubs managers.
My view on the worst I've seen is a toss up between Essian, Trebelhorn, and Baylor. So much to choose from. I don't know how many times Baylor bunted a guy to third with no outs, only to watch Sammy strike out.
by wicubfan on Jan 31, 2007 5:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Baker was not the worst
by Faith plus 1 on Jan 31, 2007 7:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
by gravedigger on Jan 31, 2007 7:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Here's the best example...
You see that? Baylor bunted a runner to third with nobody out in the FIRST INNING OF A SCORELESS GAME!!
It was almost as if he were daring the Cubs to fire him. A week later, they accomodated him.
by Al on Jan 31, 2007 7:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep..
by wicubfan on Jan 31, 2007 8:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
More Dusty!
This is similar to the Top 100 Cubs and so the bad managers from the 70s, managing little talent, are not worth mentioning--they are too far removed and essentially meaningless.
Dusty managed to contribute mightily, through poor use of the bullpen and rotation in the 2003 playoffs, to the Cubs missing the Series. This is the frickin' world series at stake--NOT whether we finish .500. It means far more.
The continued culture of incompetence grew worse under Baker each season. He left his stamp on the team which was that players should not be held responsible for any mistakes and should never be criticized. He cared more about arguing with broadcasters and getting them fired then he did about properly managing his team to the 2004 wild card. All the while his team played worse and worse fundamentally down the stretch in 2004, as well as each following season.
He destroyed some very promising pitching arms or significantly contributed to their destruction which was a career trait or goal with him.
He was a total incompetent with respect to what counted most for scoring runs. When we had power and lots of Ks he pushed for less Ks and more speed, and in 2006 we ended up with a roster with no power and no obp under his delusional belief that one could steal first base.
In the end he decided to blame all of the racists in Chicago for his incompetence in order to build sympathy for another job interview.
The Cubs were actually talented enough to be in the World Series in 2003 and 2004 and this incompetent name dropping, hide behind my kid excuse maker pissed it away.
Dusty is numero uno and it aint close.
by DudeVf11 on Jan 31, 2007 11:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think I have to steal......
by PriorandAramisfan23 on Feb 1, 2007 1:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry......
by PriorandAramisfan23 on Feb 1, 2007 1:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
three words
by Thelonious on Jan 31, 2007 12:07 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
That's only...
by gravedigger on Jan 31, 2007 2:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
My thought is that
by Bill M on Jan 31, 2007 12:24 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
In Amalfitano's defense...
by Al on Jan 31, 2007 1:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i hated
by tbizzle83 on Jan 31, 2007 2:09 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Because he...
by gravedigger on Jan 31, 2007 2:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Frankie Frisch
By the time Frisch got to be manager of the Cubs, the game had really passed him by and his strategy consisted of screaming at everyone--players, umpires, reporters, whomever and telling people how much better players were in his day.
On the plus side, he didn't bunt much.
Bob Kennedy should also be a candidate--I don't know much about him as a manager, but there has to be a reason a team with Banks, Williams, Santo and Brock were so bad.
And I do remember him as a GM, when he was the architect of those hideous teams of the early 80s. That must be an indicator that he had no baseball sense whatsoever.
On the other hand, as a GM he was better than the guy who preceded him, the infamous Salty Saltwell who's experience for the GM job was that he was in charge of concessions at Wrigley Field. For those of you who think that the beer vendor could do a better job as GM than Hendry; it's been tried. He wasn't.
by Josh77 on Jan 31, 2007 2:13 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Actually...
And the teams he built in the late 70's (1977-78-79 are the ones I'm thinking of in particular) contended when they really had no business doing so.
He's responsible for the Cubs acquiring Bill Buckner, one of the better deals they made in that era.
He may not be the best, but he's far from the worst.
by Al on Jan 31, 2007 2:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
The Cubs did have that magical half of the 1977 season (the year that made me a Cub fan) but one of the trades that he made was the terrible Madlock trade, in which he traded Bill Madlock for Bobby Murcer and Steve Ontiveros because Madlock was going to be a free agent and wanted a big raise. But he forgot to check that Murcer was also going to be a free agent and wanted a big raise, and ended up paying Bobby Murcer more than Bill Madlock was even asking for.
He also made the Manny Trillo trade and signed Dave Kingman.
That to me indicates that they guy just lucked into the 1977 season.
Oh, and go back and check. The Cub never had a winning record under Kennedy. The 1977 team collapsed all the way down to 81-81.
by Josh77 on Jan 31, 2007 2:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe.
I'm guessing Kennedy made it under orders from P. K. Wrigley.
Those Cubs didn't finish over .500, true. But they had better records than the team did the three previous years.
by Al on Jan 31, 2007 4:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Kennedy...
Here's a quote from P.K.Wrigley after hiring Kennedy: "No ballplayer is worth more than $100,000 and I'm not sure they're worth that much. We'll just have to field the best team we possibly can. We don't expect to win any pennants. All I'm trying to do is survive. You can't give out more than you take in, not forever."
Given P.K.'s position, it's not surprising that Kennedy traded first Monday, then Madlock. As Josh mentions above, though, Kennedy erred with Murcer's contract situation.
by HolyMackeral on Jan 31, 2007 10:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Frisch
by ctcoff99 on Jan 31, 2007 2:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Was Essian the guy.....
long enough to get tossed from the game---before
Essian quit clapping and got there to protect Dawson?
by BillV on Feb 2, 2007 2:47 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

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