Open Thread: ALCS Game #1, NLCS Game #2 - Friday 10/12

by Al on Oct 12, 2007 1:48 PM CDT in Game Threads Comment 28 comments

The Indians/Red Sox game begins at 6:07 CT; the Diamondbacks/Rockies at 9:07 CT.

Naturally, with the length of some postseason games this year, that will undoubtedly lead to some overlap. With the games on different networks -- ALCS on Fox, NLCS on TBS -- there won't be much problem following both of them.

That does raise an interesting question. Let's say the Cubs had won their Division Series and were facing the Rockies. They'd have been at home at Wrigley Field tonight.

When would they have started these games, with one in Eastern time and one in Central? They wouldn't have made the Cubs start at 9 pm local time.

Food for thought, anyway, on a day without much else to discuss.

MLB.com Gameday for the Indians/Red Sox game (6:07 pm CT start)

MLB.com Gameday for the Rockies/Diamondbacks game (9:07 pm CT start)

Discuss amongst yourselves.

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I wish we could have found out...

With Fox having the AL, I bet they would have had their pick and the Cubs would have started at 5 central and the AL at 8 give or take an hour...

n/t

by LT on Oct 12, 2007 1:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

That would have ...

... made them start in Boston at 9 pm Eastern time. No way.

More likely, the Boston game would have started at 4:30 Central time (5:30 Eastern) and the Cubs at 8:00 Central.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Oct 12, 2007 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't disagree...

I think that is what should have happened, but does Fox have more power than TBS in making the schedule?

n/t

by LT on Oct 12, 2007 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't think...

... either network has "more power" in this scenario... it's all done in coordination with the other, and what MLB desires, not what either network wants.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Oct 12, 2007 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

city ordinances

Doesn't Chicago have ordinances in place preventing such late start times? I seem to remember some rain delayed games getting cancelled outright at or around 8:30 in previous seasons.

I was saying Boo-urns.

by jrm78 on Oct 12, 2007 2:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

clarifying...

By rain delayed, I mean rain delayed starts.

I was saying Boo-urns.

by jrm78 on Oct 12, 2007 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think those things...

... are different for postseason games; i.e. they can start later if they have to.

The game in 2005 where Greg Maddux got his 3000th strikeout was delayed over two hours and didn't start till about 9:30; it went into extra innings and ended after 1 am.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Oct 12, 2007 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

So who's everyone rooting for in this one?

As a Midwesterner, I feel like maybe I should support the Indians. I mean, they were 11-7 against the White Sox this year. But I'm still kinda hoping the Red Sox win it all. Maybe it's because I have this desperate, perhaps irrational hope that the Cubs will someday become as consistently competitive as the Red Sox.

"Baby, I'm born to lose." ~ Johnny Thunders, 1977

by dat cubfan daver on Oct 12, 2007 2:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I'm torn

because while I don't like the Red Sox, the Indians are the closest team to us in the misery index, having not won a World Series since 1948, which is the closest to our 1908 since the Red Sox and White Sox won. I feel like all the cursed franchises are winning but us, and I don't like it.

If the Indians win it all, the next closest team is the Giants, who haven't won it all since 1954 and New York.

But I'll probably root for the Indians anyway.

The artist formerly known as JoshinLA

by Josh77 on Oct 12, 2007 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm rootin' for the Red Sox ...

They're my official back-up team to the Cubs. Since it won't be the Cubs and Sox in the World Series, I'll at least root for the one that's still in ...

And hey, it's just Manny being Manny. Great play on a Lofton-hit fly.

At this point, I'm hoping for a Rockies/Sox WS. It's time for somebody new.

--t.

REVERSE THE CURSE! REVERSE THE CURSE!

by Littlerock Rynofan on Oct 12, 2007 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

If it's time for somebody new...

... why not root for the Indians? I like the Red Sox, but they won three years ago.

The Tribe has the 2nd-longest drought, 59 years.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Oct 13, 2007 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I rooted for the Tribe ...

Against the Yankees. However, I have an emotional connection to the Red Sox--brought about by so many years of suffering with my Cubbies (so blame them!)--and for some reason, I don't think I'll ever shake it. I know it's almost been forever and a day since the Indians won, but ... it's nice to be behind a known winner. In my life that's a real change.

Plus I like the "Manny being Manny" freak show! If I could actually play baseball, I'm sure I'd be just like him, emotionally, a free spirit gone nuts.

Now if the Rox make it into the WS and face the Sox, I'll be happy if either win!

So, in a sense, Al, I am rooting for a team new to all of this.

--t.

REVERSE THE CURSE! REVERSE THE CURSE!

by Littlerock Rynofan on Oct 13, 2007 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Go Rockies.....

Boys, I gotta tell ya....this little ballclub out here in Denver is rolling, with no end in site. They have proven they can win in any fashion, whether it be a shootout or a classic pitcher's duel, they are winning them all. I will be at all three games here in Denver if necessary, although game 5 at this point may not even happen.
So with that being said, its going to be a Rockies vs. Red Sox series with the Rocks taking it all.

You gotta believe!!!

by bolson1076 on Oct 13, 2007 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

If a tree falls in the forest

and no one hears, does it make a sound?

by gocubsgo22 on Oct 12, 2007 2:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Orioles Fire...

... Leo Mazzone. Perhaps Atlanta wasn't so bad after all.

DmL

by dmlichte on Oct 12, 2007 3:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Or maybe...

... Mazzone's reputation was good because he had good pitchers in Atlanta.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Oct 12, 2007 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Can't disagree

It will be interesting to see what becomes of the Orioles organization under the direction of Andy MacPhail.

DmL

by dmlichte on Oct 12, 2007 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think this is too simplistic

It was not just the Holy Trinity of Maddux. Smoltz & Glavine
pitchers would go to Atlanta have a great year or two and make a killing on the free agent market (Millwood & Byrd come to mind). He did not have a lot to work with in Baltimore. I think he is a great pitching coach.

"It's the Cubbies. There's always a vibe. It's the greatest vibe in baseball." Greg Maddux on Cub fan's optimism even after the 06 debacle.

by jessica on Oct 12, 2007 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Mazzone is one of two pitching coaches

I would choose if I were a manager rounding out my coaching staff. The other is the late George Bamberger, the Orioles pitching coach who produced 18 20-games winners including four in 1971.

by davewillie on Oct 12, 2007 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I agree

you have to have the horses, no matter who you are.

Look at Torre and his managerial record before he was brought to New York to manage all of that talent - it was bad. Sometimes managing a very talented group is not easy. You have to know how to handle the egos and keep everyone on the same page. I would think both Mazzone and Torre did that pretty well.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Oct 13, 2007 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

the rockies

may not lose another game...

Live is boring until March 31st strolls by..

by Chanman25 on Oct 13, 2007 9:31 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

The Rockies

are really showing me something. They don't beat themselves, they are really patient at the plate.

I thought Melvin blew it last night leaving Valverde in as long as he did. You could see his location was getting worse with every hitter in the 10th. I know there is the off day today, but you have to win the game you are playing.

I don't know what it is this year, I always root for the D Backs except when they play Cubs, but I can't do it against the Rox. I guess I am still pissed lol
Actually, the Cubs beat themselves more than AZ beating them. The Rockies are showing us how to beat them.

I would like to see the Tribe in the WS, but it looks like the BoSox are too frigging good.

"WGN, Channel 9 Cubs Baseball, Excitingly, Importantly, Dramatically Yours." except in the post season - Thank you MLB!

by BigJohnAZ on Oct 13, 2007 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

The Cubs

definitely beat themselves in the NLDS. Anything above that are mere excuses. Cubs failed to score against crappy pitching period.

by cubsnlinux on Oct 13, 2007 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

About Dbacks/Rockies...

... it really does seem like Denver is a better baseball town than Phoenix. Remember, Denver was bandied about as a possible expansion/relocation site literally for decades before they actually got a team. In 1960, partly in reaction to the NL having no teams in New York, NYC lawyer William Shea proposed forming a new major league, the Continental League, which was to have a team in Denver, among other cities which eventually got teams (Atlanta, Toronto, Houston).

Marvin Davis, an oil billionaire, attempted to buy the A's in the mid-1970's and move them to Denver. It was nearly a done deal, too.

The Rockies have indeed shown how to build a baseball team and how to win. This is no fluke.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Oct 13, 2007 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Denver.....

I have lived here for a little over 6yrs, this is a great sports town period... it's not Chicago, but fun to be in to say the least....
The atmosphere is awesome here, this truly is a Broncos town year round generally, however all the peeps here are talking about it this Rockies team!! If you didn't know any better you would think football isn't even going on around here these last few weeks....
Although I was saddened by the Cubs falling out of the playoffs, I have had a great time going to the games here in Denver and experiencing playoff baseball at its finest.....
They are calling it Rocktober fellas, catch the fever!!!!

You gotta believe!!!

by bolson1076 on Oct 13, 2007 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I hope the Cubs hitters are watching.

They can learn from the Rockies how to be very good hitters without always swinging the bat. It's called patient, situational hitting.

by Fraggin Judge on Oct 13, 2007 10:57 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Amen FJ

The Rox scored the winning run without hitting the ball past the pitcher's mound and won the game. ARam and Sori were SOOOO frigging anxious it was pathetic. The Cubs hitters simply have to have a better philosophy when they are in the batter's box. Gotta let the pitcher get himself into trouble and get into hitter's counts instead of coanstantly hitting the pitcher's pitch. DeRosa is good at that but it seemed he got all pumped up by the crowd in game 3 and swung at ball 4. Anyway, we've been all through this already, next year is a new year and I hope that getting this close motivates them to be better next year and seal the deal.

"WGN, Channel 9 Cubs Baseball, Excitingly, Importantly, Dramatically Yours." except in the post season - Thank you MLB!

by BigJohnAZ on Oct 13, 2007 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Snow

I hate Bud Selig and I hate what the networks are doing to the game. Playoff games that end near 3:00 in the morning. Playoff games starting at 10:00? I live in the Eastern time zone. Kids are the future of baseball, and the kids cannot stay up late enough to watch these games.

Nine inning baseball games should not be pushing the four hour envelope. The season is too long.

I want the Rockies to win the pennant. And then, I want one of those blizzards that Colorado gets hit with in late October. I want baseball to have to deal with it because this is of there own doing. Baseball should not be starting in March (next year) and ending in November (this year.)

Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. -- George Santayana (1863-1952)

by cubfred on Oct 14, 2007 3:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs