TBS Fails In First National Telecast
I wasn't home to see this game until the final 3 innings. I do have tape (I'm still analog) of the game -- but from what I saw -- TBS' coverage was abysmal. This is what MLB paid for?
Think about this -- that play at the plate was one of the most important ones of this season, on a 'national' telecast. Yet, we saw 2 -- only 2 replays. Just two angles. One, was the 'cover' shot of the main action, and the other -- a shot looking down the 3B line toward HP, from what -- I assume was an outfield camera. As much as we (myself included) have bashed Fox -- wouldn't we have seen multiple camera angles on a Fox telecast, including a shot from a HP camera? (If one was used in this final sequence, I don't remember, and my tape clicked off about 10 mins before the game ended) And, Fox uses 'super slo-mo' as a part of its' coverage. That might have helped us tell if Holliday's hand actually touched HP. (I doubt if it did, from the OF camera's view)
Combined with barely adequate pbp, (I'm sorry, I've forgotten the guy's name, but his work was not memorable) and what appeared to be Joe Simpson sleepwalking through his role as (un)color (ful) analyst -- This might have been the worst national telecast I've ever seen in years.
I can only assume this was done on the cheap. Was TBS looking ahead to the Divisional Games? Were corners cut on this game? Seems like it.
We've busted Fox's chops for the constant sound effects, "talking baseballs," a barrage of promos during game action -- but you know what? I'm sure that network would have had a more definitive camera shot as that game came to its' conclusion.
And -- In studio, in the aftermath, Ernie Johnson and Cal Ripkin glossed over the controversy -- a play which is sure to be discussed over, and over and over, on other outlets and in the papers. Was TBS protecting the umpires? Was TBS not wanting to offend MLB in their very first national telecast? Whatever the reason -- this was very uncompelling television, and the non-discussion, obviously -- gives us the answer, if we read between the lines.
This mess is from the same company which is not afraid to let Charles Barkley say whatever the hell he wants on TNT/NBA coverage? But here, on MLB coverage...meekly tip-toes away from what looks to be a wrong call? What a pitiful mess.
An "F" to TBS and their first national game.
(Braves baseball doesn't count, since there was still a home bias to those telecasts, as would be found on a Cubs/Sox telecast on WGN)
TBS better improve -- in a hurry.
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I have to agreee
by Jettero2112 on Oct 2, 2007 7:13 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Excellent summary
by davidalanu on Oct 2, 2007 7:45 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
commentators
by kylejo on Oct 2, 2007 8:08 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Not just the NL
by Born Again Cubs Fan on Oct 2, 2007 8:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't see it, but
by Zachary on Oct 2, 2007 8:29 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Buy equipment?
TBS hires the production trucks and they are crewed from a known roster of people drawn from either nearby tech talent or "preferred" imports, most likely a combination of both.
by MN exile on Oct 2, 2007 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And that could be the bottom line
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Oct 2, 2007 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hastily gathered?
Maybe not as many LPS cameras for POV shots on such short notice, still, it was a good 'cast, except for the missing high-first and too-loose high-home shots on the game-ender.
by MN exile on Oct 2, 2007 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ill take boring over
by HerrProf on Oct 2, 2007 8:37 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Gotta..............
First of all, this had to be a "rush job" by TBS. They had no way of knowing this game was going to take place until the 11th hour, so the fact they were able to get up and running so quickly was, to my way of thinking, pretty good.
This might explain the limited camera angles. It could very well be they could only get a few video teams in place under the circumstances.
I have no problem with Joe Simpson. He knows the game and its players well. Maybe I'm comfortable with him because I watch Braves games on TBS with some regularity. The play-by-play guy was a bit weak, but he seemed to improve as the game progressed. Not a good showing for him (whatever his name), but Simpson is a pro.
And after Tim McClelland blows the call at the plate, what would you have Johnson/Ripken do? They can't change the outcome with their remarks and I think they laid it out for fans to draw their own conclusions.
Plus, there were several times between innings that TBS switched to the studio and played NO COMMERCIALS during the break. Gee, how refreshing!! I'd rather listed to Ernie and Cal than watch another Bud Light bit.
I'd give them a B- overall, which under the tight timeline, is not bad.
by tville on Oct 2, 2007 8:41 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
tbs...
THIS WAS A ONE GAME PLAYOFF! the broadcast should've been a little more representative of the urgency in which the game was played. in my view, the broadcasters were absent any signs of life!
by rm463 on Oct 2, 2007 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that was my feeling
by kylejo on Oct 2, 2007 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So what you're saying..........
by tville on Oct 2, 2007 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
after 162 games...
a 1-game playoff is part of what makes baseball the unmatched sport that it is. shame on mlb and tbs for their collective inability to present such an important game in the manner warranted.
by rm463 on Oct 2, 2007 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
reply
I can't comment specifically as to what Johnson/Ripken DID do, as I switched immediatly to ESPN (they had EY, Dusty, and Steve Phillips IIRC on), but according to the comments here, they apparently glossed over the fact that his hand never touched the plate. Well, on ESPN, they spent about 10-15 minutes talking about the call (and the controversial HR/doubble), and showing the replays. No, the analysts can't change the calls, but they can talk about it, and give opinions...
Moose
by moose97 on Oct 2, 2007 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually............
by tville on Oct 2, 2007 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which was a very welcome change of pace
by sanantonecub on Oct 2, 2007 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Video teams in place?
TBS had all the standard positions (high home, high & low 1st & 3rd, CF, more), where they fell down was in having only two angles on the play at the plate. I'd love to have seen a high 1st angle, that would have been closer to what McClelland saw than either high home or CF. That said, the high home am could have been tighter, too.
And it's either very bad outfield lighting at Coors or the cams were older and not all that sensitive, because I saw gain noise on all the outfield shots.
by MN exile on Oct 2, 2007 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Play....
The problem with the ump was that there was going to be replays. Afterward a seemingly shocked Rifken and TBS toadie attempted to overlook it and to get into the celebration but no matter the matza ball is on the ground for all to see.
ESPN later also in seemingly shock said "I don't know about this call", if that is not 'corporate speak' than I am a monkey's uncle. There eventually emerged three angles of the play, the overview, down the line and behind the plate. Why the call, to get the game over with, it was 10:30 or so in CO, 12:30 on the East Coast....but it only would have been 2 outs.
It was a great play by Barrett, classic block, but I believe this will poison the Rockies...Funny how gift calls poison a team's momentum, inside they know they might not belong. That said I am happy it is the Rockies and Phillies, they will go 5 games, where out their respective pitching staffs and be worn out for the next series bashing the ball and scoring runs.
If I were the respective managers I would want 13 pitchers for they both have enough fire power in their lineups anyway.
by Ivy Walls on Oct 2, 2007 9:08 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
barretts block
by kylejo on Oct 2, 2007 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can block the plate
IMO, Holliday make a mistake by deciding to slide head first into home plate. Whenever there is a chance for a close play (and the catcher blocking the plate) you don't want to expose yourself by not going in feet first. If Holliday would have slid feet first, he would have driven Barrett's leg right off the dish and got in with no problem.
From a pure techinical standpoint, I thought the runner should have been out.
by MPH73 on Oct 2, 2007 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what is a technical standpoint
There were two blown calls last night....get the calls right or get assistance...
by Ivy Walls on Oct 2, 2007 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the umpiring this year...
mlb, rather than concerning itself with enforcing the dress code, although important, might want to address the detrimental role umpires have taken in the game.
i've been watching baseball for 35 years and maybe it's my imagination, but it does seem that there has been an erosion in the quality in which the games are officiated.
by rm463 on Oct 2, 2007 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can contribute that
by TCobb1911 on Oct 2, 2007 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you no what I mean
by MPH73 on Oct 2, 2007 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Videon evidence disagrees with your assessment
Replay of the bottom of the 13th inning via MLB.tv
First, when was the last time that call was ever made? That is known as a RED Herring argument and that was not the call either. Second did Barrett not have the ball when the collision occurred, YES in fact the throw beat Holliday and Barrett was not obstructing home...
BAD CALL
by Ivy Walls on Oct 2, 2007 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The clip cut off right before the sac fly happened
by dacubsfan76 on Oct 2, 2007 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Poisoned?
The 2004 Red Sox (assuming Roberts was out at 2nd)?
The 1985 Cardinals (Can't remember the runner who was out at 1st)?
Honestly, I can't think of too many examples of this poisoning.
Also, it should be noted that Holliday was called safe on perhaps the toughest call in all of sports. The plate is covered in dirt. THe umpire needs to be watching the catcher, the ball, & the runner. Plus, he can't know ahead of time which route the runner is going to take, so he can't get himself into the "perfect" position to make the call. To me, he looked like he missed the plate, but frankly, to call this atrocious umpiring is overblown.
by WGNstatic on Oct 2, 2007 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The ump...........
by tville on Oct 2, 2007 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They didn't show a good replay on the blown HRcall
by Jerry Mumphrey on Oct 2, 2007 9:16 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
agreed
by pollymerase on Oct 2, 2007 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A few comments
As for the announcer complaints, for how many years have we been wanting to get rid of the McCarvers and Morgans? Finally there is a network who is going with people like Steve Stone, Don Simpson, and other local flavors that are known for being excellent announcers. I'm glad about this and I'd much rather hear Dick Stockton and Ron Darling do Cub games over Chris Berman and Dusty Baker.
I wasn't a big fan of the studio show w/ Cal, but I do believe that the TBS product will get better.
DmL
by dmlichte on Oct 2, 2007 9:58 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Resources
Directing and crewing are also probably with decent techs and talents, who are either good locals or can fly in.
I still wish high first had given us a good angle - it would have been closest to the plate ump's view angle and shown us more closely what he saw.
by MN exile on Oct 2, 2007 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My feelings
by TCobb1911 on Oct 2, 2007 10:16 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ernie Johnson is better suited
The whole broadcast was flat - this is what exclusivity buys you folks - Thank you Bud Selig.
And I haven't even mentioned shutting out 15% of the national market with a cable-only product, which means my diehard Cubs fan aunt back in Chicago won't be able to watch the games on WGN because she doesn't have cable and the games are on too late in the day for her to come over to my brothers place in Naperville to watch. This is what pisses me off the most about TBS.
by JFCubFan on Oct 2, 2007 10:49 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
A+
by jolietconvict on Oct 2, 2007 11:28 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i do like
by kylejo on Oct 2, 2007 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with this.
But I did like the graphics; well-designed and informative without being overwhelming, and best of all -- no swooshes!
by Al on Oct 2, 2007 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Instead of............
Nothing worse than listening to some has-been player talk about "how he did things". That has nothing to do with the action on the field!
Give me a guy like Joe Simpson who brings some insight to the call. I'm far happier.
by tville on Oct 2, 2007 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i watch the rockies all the time here in denver
it still seems a bit inconclusive on all the angles i saw, but if holiday never touched the plate it just evens out the bad call on atkins' home run earlier in the game....
the announcers were terrible. they seemed to know nothing about the rockies. they claimed that playoff tickets went on sale monday morning because mlb wouldn't let them print tix, but i bought my division series tix last week. they didn't seem to realize that the rox swept the pads last week in san diego. they seemed to have problems pronouncing "tulowitzki" -- and that's just a few examples. since most teams have 2 tv announcers, i don't know why they don't use one person from each team's regular home crew for playoff games. (ok, i know, it has to do with contracts and money being more important that good broadcasting) it's annoying for fans who have watched all year to put up with some idiot who knows nothing about their team - this goes for any fan of any team in the playoffs!
by anormal on Oct 2, 2007 11:30 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
very good diary!!
by cubsluver22 on Oct 2, 2007 11:50 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
There was
by TCobb1911 on Oct 2, 2007 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought they were great.
I thought TBS did a very good job at bringing me the game. Don Orsilo was low key and let the action speak for itself. and I thought Ernie did a good job asking Cal the right questions. There might have been one too many "Crowd shots" But I prefer this low key here's the game approach.
For all those that HATED it, can you give me a national broadcast that you like or is this just another "Just give me Steve Stone" kind of gripes that I've been listening to for years.
I'll take these guys over Fox and ESPN any day.
by yahoodi on Oct 2, 2007 12:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I thought
I like my games simple and not being forced to watch pitches come in from the "home plate cam" or see so many replays that I don't get to see the next pitch. Also, this wasn't a "postseason" game, so TBS probably didn't have everything that they will have for the postseason ready to go for this game.
Either way, I thought it was well done, and as long as Joe Buck isn't there I'm happy.
by cubbieblue86 on Oct 2, 2007 12:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I completely disagree with this run-down...
First of all, the commercial breaks where held to a minimum, the HD presentation was excellent, and I think the game itself was boring in the middle innings say 7 to 12th inning or so.
I like the low key approach and its a helluva lot better then Joe Morgan.
But I have to tell you all, I love the sound effects that fox and CSN does. I think its awesome.
But none the less TBS did an excellent job especially with Cal and Erine in the studio.
A- TBS!
by Galvan316 on Oct 2, 2007 12:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I thought
They decided the story was the Rockies miraculous comeback, not the controversy at the plate. Can you imagine if that was the Cubs who scored on that play and the announcers, instead of covering the on-field celebrations, spent the next fifteen minutes talking about the last play? People around here would hit the roof.
I think they should have shown the last play a few more times. But they did need to cover the celebrations on the field.
I don't think the home run call was blown. I think they pretty clearly showed it wasn't a home run. It hit that lip on the railing and bounced back.
I especially liked that they went to studio rather than commercial a couple of times between innings. That might be a product of not having a lot of time to sell commercials, but they could have just shown the ones they had over and over. (Like WGN does.) Let's hope they keep that up in the LDS.
It wasn't without problems, but I'd give it a B-/C+. Not once did they break away from the action to interview an actor (in character) from a Budweiser commercial, as FOX has been known to do.
It wasn't a failure.
by Josh77 on Oct 2, 2007 12:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I may have to give an F
by nextyearcub on Oct 2, 2007 12:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Better than Fox
Frankly, I'd prefer it to be on WGN, with a simulcast on WGN-AM and have BOTH WGN broadcasting teams in the TV booth. But that's just me.
Assuming the lag isn't too bad, I'll probably put my radio under the TV, hit mute, and listen to the radio commentary anyway.
Also:
- It wasn't a home-run, it bounced off the fence
- He was definitely out at the plate
- The Padres got robbed
- The umpiring has indeed been terrible
- It doesn't matter, we'll beat the Rockies in the second round.
by drewishdrewid on Oct 2, 2007 12:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
No TBS HD on my cable
by eamuscatuli1881 on Oct 2, 2007 1:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I love DirecTV
You'll get all the games on the Big Ten Network, which is worth it alone if you're a Big Ten football fan, as most of the people around here are.
by Josh77 on Oct 2, 2007 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
mistake!!!
by cubsluver22 on Oct 2, 2007 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know why there were fewer
TBS Sales couldn't sell the time, that's why.
That's possibly why this broadcast was done on the cheap, harkening back to the 1980's style production values.
I understand that we have bashed others in the past...but this is another matter. Fox may have too many bells/whistles, but you can count on a well-produced 'cast. Most of of our comments have centered on the talk of the announcers. I do not remember ONE diary about 'bad production values.'
The talent was bad, but the guys in the truck -- were terrible, down the line.
However, production-wise, Comcast Chicago, FSN West/LA/WGN, and others doing baseball on a local basis would have surpassed the junk TBS threw at us last night.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Oct 2, 2007 1:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Why
by TCobb1911 on Oct 2, 2007 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm guessing...
I'd bet this will be different starting on Wednesday.
by Al on Oct 2, 2007 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's a plus for the consumer
Last year's Stanley Cup Playoffs scored a 1.1 rating -- NBC's lowest prime time rating ever. Telemundo had better ratings. Interstingly enough, NBC's technical coverage was absolutely wonderful. The best ever. Better than ESPN. But nobody saw it. (I was the only person watching, possibly.)
FYI, the best coverage for hockey is north of our border. CBC's Hockey Night In Canada is magnificent. I buy the NHL package, avoiding my forlorn Blackhawks to watch that network's coverage of my second favorite sport.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Oct 2, 2007 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And
And, nice suit on their field reporter. Did he get that at Pimps R Us?
I'm sorry, this was a minor league production.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Oct 2, 2007 1:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hey, watch it.
by eamuscatuli1881 on Oct 2, 2007 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nicely done.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Oct 2, 2007 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The suit was pretty wacky, all right.
by Al on Oct 2, 2007 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's Craig Sager's thing
by nextyearcub on Oct 3, 2007 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
IMHO
by eamuscatuli1881 on Oct 2, 2007 1:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Some people arent going to be happy
Also did anyone else think Peavy looked really bad last night?
by Galvan316 on Oct 2, 2007 2:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Peavy...
by Al on Oct 2, 2007 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think so
I'd bet Peavy still wins it. He had a big enough advantage over Brandon Webb, who will probably finish second.
by Josh77 on Oct 3, 2007 12:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Slightly OT but how happy are you
How grim is San Diego today.
Trust me not half as grim as NYC re the Mets
by jessica on Oct 2, 2007 6:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Don Orsillo
by Fraggin Judge on Oct 3, 2007 12:49 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
At least you got to see the game.
Apparently, greedy MLBud and his cronies sold the broadcast rights to PR separately but no one bought the rights to last night's game. TBS didn't buy them, either (they don't care about their viewers here but they charge full price to the local cable systems).
This is all too common every postseason in Puerto Rico. Last year, MLB offices had to intervene because a certain company bought the rights to the Division Series but couldn't buy time in a local station to broadcast the games. The company that bought the rights had a huge debt with the TV station so the TV station refused to sell them additional broadcast time. Tired of all the local complaints, MLB ended up letting us watch on ESPN the games that were not broadcast on the local station.
by Fraggin Judge on Oct 3, 2007 1:09 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
This is what I was talking about...
Idiots.
by Al on Oct 3, 2007 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jessica
Sound familiar? There is more griping and complaining on talk shows and 'letters to the editor' than usual, so that's good -- more people actually care. Another line of thought is -- yeah, you got Bradley (nobody seems to be mad about his meltdown, the umpire is getting all the blame here, Bradley is skating on this issue) but, "if you spent some money for ONE MORE BAT...maybe you wouldn't need Brady Clark and that other loser from the Astros who tried to run over Prince Fielder in Saturday's game!"
What is compounding this, at this unique moment in SD sports is that the Chargers, expected to dance to the Super Bowl, are UNexpectedly awful. (The Chargers are 1 TD pass from Tomlinson in Game 1 against the Bears from being 0-4)
I'm hearing, and reading....
"San Diego Sports is cursed!"
"All we've had to cheer about in the last 25 years is a home run by Steve Garvey!"
Guess he forgot about the 1998 World Series. Nobody was going to beat the Yankees that year.
And, those that DO remember are placing retroactive blame for losing on...Hoffman. The most overbearing are calling for Hoffman to be 'replaced' by Heath Bell, or asking for a 'trade' or hoping he'll 'retire.'
Perhaps "Hell's Bells" will be placed into the ashcan of history at Petco Park next year, for as one writer at gaslamp ball said...."500 worthless saves."
Whatta maroon....
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Oct 3, 2007 4:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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