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TBS Fails In First National Telecast

I wasn't home to see this game until the final 3 innings. I do have tape (I'm still analog) of the game -- but from what I saw -- TBS' coverage was abysmal. This is what MLB paid for?

Think about this -- that play at the plate was one of the most important ones of this season, on a 'national' telecast. Yet, we saw 2 -- only 2 replays. Just two angles. One, was the 'cover' shot of the main action, and the other --  a shot looking down the 3B line toward HP, from what -- I assume was an outfield camera. As much as we (myself included) have bashed Fox -- wouldn't we have seen multiple camera angles on a Fox telecast, including a shot from a HP camera? (If one was used in this final sequence, I don't remember, and my tape clicked off about 10 mins before the game ended) And, Fox uses 'super slo-mo' as a part of its' coverage. That might have helped us tell if Holliday's hand actually touched HP. (I doubt if it did, from the OF camera's view)

Combined with barely adequate pbp, (I'm sorry, I've forgotten the guy's name, but his work was not memorable) and what appeared to be Joe Simpson sleepwalking through his role as (un)color (ful) analyst -- This might have been the worst national telecast I've ever seen in years.
I can only assume this was done on the cheap. Was TBS looking ahead to the Divisional Games? Were corners cut on this game? Seems like it.

We've busted Fox's chops for the constant sound effects, "talking baseballs," a barrage of promos during game action -- but you know what? I'm sure that network would have had a more definitive camera shot as that game came to its' conclusion.

And -- In studio, in the aftermath,  Ernie Johnson and Cal Ripkin glossed over the controversy -- a play which is sure to be discussed over, and over and over, on other outlets and in the papers. Was TBS protecting the umpires? Was TBS not wanting to offend MLB in their very first national telecast? Whatever the reason -- this was very uncompelling television, and the non-discussion, obviously -- gives us the answer, if we read between the lines.

This mess is from the same company which is not afraid to let Charles Barkley say whatever the hell he wants on TNT/NBA coverage? But here, on MLB coverage...meekly tip-toes away from what looks to be a wrong call? What a pitiful mess.

An "F" to TBS and their first national game.

(Braves baseball doesn't count, since there was still a home bias to those telecasts, as would be found on a Cubs/Sox telecast on WGN)

TBS better improve -- in a hurry.

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I have to agreee
very, very boring broadcast.  No life or excitement.  I hope the rest of the playoffs are much better.
"Who are you going to believe, me or your own eyes?"

by Jettero2112 on Oct 2, 2007 7:13 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Excellent summary
Unfortunately, I don't expect wonderful things from TBS this fall, simply because this is their first time with this kind of responsibility.  I think they're bound to come up a little short.  

by davidalanu on Oct 2, 2007 7:45 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

commentators
were horrible.  i was watching the game with a friend and after a couple innings we couldnt even tell if they had said anything.  they obviously had been talking, but just mindless wandering conversations.  its BS how just the NL gets screwed with this tbs crap.
Kevin Hart Watch: IP: 10.2 K: 12 ERA: 0.84 WHIP: 0.94 K/BB: 3.00 a productive farm system is a wonderful thing.

by kylejo on Oct 2, 2007 8:08 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not just the NL
FWIW, all of the division series - NL and AL - are on TBS and the league championship series alternates each year.  Next year, TBS gets the ALCS and Fox gets the NLCS.

by Born Again Cubs Fan on Oct 2, 2007 8:22 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Didn't see it, but
I remember when they first started showing college football games several years ago.  It was like they only had 4 cameras; one in each of the far corners of the stadium.  It never looked like they had a straight-on shot until a team got within ten yards of the end zone.  On every play they started from a wide shot, and then slowly zoomed in until they reached the maximum zoom that the camera lens was capable of.  Maybe they spend all of their money on broadcasting rights and then don't have anything left to buy the equipment they need to produce a quality broadcast.

by Zachary on Oct 2, 2007 8:29 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Buy equipment?
TBS doesn't own the gear, the OB truck company does.  

TBS hires the production trucks and they are crewed from a known roster of people drawn from either nearby tech talent or "preferred" imports, most likely a combination of both.

by MN exile on Oct 2, 2007 10:41 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And that could be the bottom line
on why this telecast was as it was. A crew pieced together at the last moment, equipment hastily gathered. I'm going to see if I can find any national views on this subject.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Oct 2, 2007 2:02 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hastily gathered?
Wrong.  It shows up in the production truck, and as I'd mentioned in other comments in this diary, the Denver area will have a decent complement of "A" trucks around.  It all comes out of the belly bins, unless some exotic thing in involved.  (It happens.)

Maybe not as many LPS cameras for POV shots on such short notice, still, it was a good 'cast, except for the missing high-first and too-loose high-home shots on the game-ender.

by MN exile on Oct 2, 2007 3:43 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ill take boring over
buck and friends anytime. Id even take joe morgan!
One of Us!One Of Us!

by HerrProf on Oct 2, 2007 8:37 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Gotta..............
........disagree with much of this.

First of all, this had to be a "rush job" by TBS.  They had no way of knowing this game was going to take place until the 11th hour, so the fact they were able to get up and running so quickly was, to my way of thinking, pretty good.

This might explain the limited camera angles.  It could very well be they could only get a few video teams in place under the circumstances.

I have no problem with Joe Simpson.  He knows the game and its players well.  Maybe I'm comfortable with him because I watch Braves games on TBS with some regularity.  The play-by-play guy was a bit weak, but he seemed to improve as the game progressed.  Not a good showing for him (whatever his name), but Simpson is a pro.

And after Tim McClelland blows the call at the plate, what would you have Johnson/Ripken do?  They can't change the outcome with their remarks and I think they laid it out for fans to draw their own conclusions.  

Plus, there were several times between innings that TBS switched to the studio and played NO COMMERCIALS during the break.  Gee, how refreshing!!  I'd rather listed to Ernie and Cal than watch another Bud Light bit.  

I'd give them a B- overall, which under the tight timeline, is not bad.

by tville on Oct 2, 2007 8:41 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

tbs...
...must have had someone idea as to the potentiality of a 1-game playoff and should have had crews "ready to go". no excuse in that regard.

THIS WAS A ONE GAME PLAYOFF! the broadcast should've been a little more representative of the urgency in which the game was played. in my view, the broadcasters were absent any signs of life!

"If you'da been thinkin you wouldn't 'a thought that." ~~ "Squints" Palledorous

by rm463 on Oct 2, 2007 8:59 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that was my feeling
that they had no life in the broadcast.  i just figured they may have been a little annoyed to have to work on short notice for a game they didnt expect to be doing, and just werent as interested in the game in the early going.  i figured theyd just get more pumped up once the actually playoffs start.
Kevin Hart Watch: IP: 10.2 K: 12 ERA: 0.84 WHIP: 0.94 K/BB: 3.00 a productive farm system is a wonderful thing.

by kylejo on Oct 2, 2007 9:04 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So what you're saying..........
..........is you want the "FOX-esque" type of "pump it up" broadcasting?

by tville on Oct 2, 2007 9:38 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

after 162 games...
...the padres and rockies were tied for a playoff spot. is there any other sport that requires two teams to "fight-it-out" for a playoff berth? i believe the answer is no as off-the-field tiebreakers usually determine who gets to advance.

a 1-game playoff is part of what makes baseball the  unmatched sport that it is. shame on mlb and tbs for  their collective inability to present such an important game in the manner warranted.

"If you'da been thinkin you wouldn't 'a thought that." ~~ "Squints" Palledorous

by rm463 on Oct 2, 2007 9:49 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

reply
"And after Tim McClelland blows the call at the plate, what would you have Johnson/Ripken do?  They can't change the outcome with their remarks and I think they laid it out for fans to draw their own conclusions."

I can't comment specifically as to what Johnson/Ripken DID do, as I switched immediatly to ESPN (they had EY, Dusty, and Steve Phillips IIRC on), but according to the comments here, they apparently glossed over the fact that his hand never touched the plate.  Well, on ESPN, they spent about 10-15 minutes talking about the call (and the controversial HR/doubble), and showing the replays.  No, the analysts can't change the calls, but they can talk about it, and give opinions...

Moose

Hubbs!

by moose97 on Oct 2, 2007 9:26 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Actually............
.........they acknowledged the controversy, offered some insight, but did not drone on about it.

by tville on Oct 2, 2007 9:40 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Which was a very welcome change of pace
As the talking heads on ESPN can offer no more insight then we can in our own homes.
There is no place like Nebraska - Go Huskers!

by sanantonecub on Oct 2, 2007 11:38 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Video teams in place?
It's all out of the belly-bins of a production truck.  Most of them carry a set number of cameras, and the camera positions around most ballparks are fairly well built-in.  

TBS had all the standard positions (high home, high & low 1st & 3rd, CF, more), where they fell down was in having only two angles on the play at the plate.  I'd love to have seen a high 1st angle, that would have been closer to what McClelland saw than either high home or CF.  That said, the high home am could have been tighter, too.

And it's either very bad outfield lighting at Coors or the cams were older and not all that sensitive, because I saw gain noise on all the outfield shots.

by MN exile on Oct 2, 2007 10:49 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Play....
If one wants to point to corporate baseball there is your example, the umpire's initial reaction was to allow the play to continue, but in obvious afterthought called the play safe before Barrett made the tag.

The problem with the ump was that there was going to be replays. Afterward a seemingly shocked Rifken and TBS toadie attempted to overlook it and to get into the celebration but no matter the matza ball is on the ground for all to see.

ESPN later also in seemingly shock said "I don't know about this call", if that is not 'corporate speak'  than I am a monkey's uncle. There eventually emerged three angles of the play, the overview, down the line and behind the plate. Why the call, to get the game over with, it was 10:30 or so in CO, 12:30 on the East Coast....but it only would have been 2 outs.

It was a great play by Barrett, classic block, but I believe this will poison the Rockies...Funny how gift calls poison a team's momentum, inside they know they might not belong. That said I am happy it is the Rockies and Phillies, they will go 5 games, where out their respective pitching staffs and be worn out for the next series bashing the ball and scoring runs.

If I were the respective managers I would want 13 pitchers for they both have enough fire power in their lineups anyway.

Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."

by Ivy Walls on Oct 2, 2007 9:08 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

barretts block
now my friend and i were arguing this after the game, was that an illegal block of the plate?  because barrett did not have possesion of the ball when he blocked it.  i wasnt sure if he is still allowed to stick his leg out without possesion of the ball, i know he cannot just sit in front of the plate without the ball.
Kevin Hart Watch: IP: 10.2 K: 12 ERA: 0.84 WHIP: 0.94 K/BB: 3.00 a productive farm system is a wonderful thing.

by kylejo on Oct 2, 2007 9:17 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You can block the plate
while you are in the process of fielding the ball (which Barrett was doing).  

IMO, Holliday make a mistake by deciding to slide head first into home plate.  Whenever there is a chance for a close play (and the catcher blocking the plate) you don't want to expose yourself by not going in feet first.  If Holliday would have slid feet first, he would have driven Barrett's leg right off the dish and got in with no problem.

From a pure techinical standpoint, I thought the runner should have been out.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Oct 2, 2007 10:01 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

what is a technical standpoint
The runner is either safe or out or the umpire blows the call.

There were two blown calls last night....get the calls right or get assistance...

Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."

by Ivy Walls on Oct 2, 2007 10:09 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

the umpiring this year...
...has been inexcusable, from baiting players to missing call after call!

mlb, rather than concerning itself with enforcing the dress code, although important, might want to address the detrimental role umpires have taken in the game.

i've been watching baseball for 35 years and maybe it's my imagination, but it does seem that there has been an erosion in the quality in which the games are officiated.

"If you'da been thinkin you wouldn't 'a thought that." ~~ "Squints" Palledorous

by rm463 on Oct 2, 2007 10:23 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You can contribute that
to the constant stress and MLB execs putting their performances under ae microscope every game. Now that they have that Quest Tech thing they're under constant monitoring.
I would not fight Jason Kendall.

by TCobb1911 on Oct 2, 2007 10:27 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think you no what I mean
look at the replay - Holliday never touched the plate and Barrett ended up taging him, he should have been out, plain and simple.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Oct 2, 2007 10:24 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Videon evidence disagrees with your assessment
I love Internet so one can access

Replay of the bottom of the 13th inning via MLB.tv

First, when was the last time that call was ever made? That is known as a RED Herring argument and that was not the call either. Second did Barrett not have the ball when the collision occurred, YES in fact the throw beat Holliday and Barrett was not obstructing home...

BAD CALL

Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."

by Ivy Walls on Oct 2, 2007 10:07 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The clip cut off right before the sac fly happened
Although I did get to see the replay on espn.com, which showed various angles on the replays. It's kinda hard to see if he ACTUALLY touched HP or if his hand ran into Barrett's foot and missed HP.
Missing Da Cubbies from NYC!

by dacubsfan76 on Oct 2, 2007 10:55 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Poisoned?
Like the 2005 White Sox?
The 2004 Red Sox (assuming Roberts was out at 2nd)?
The 1985 Cardinals (Can't remember the runner who was out at 1st)?

Honestly, I can't think of too many examples of this poisoning.

Also, it should be noted that Holliday was called safe on perhaps the toughest call in all of sports.  The plate is covered in dirt.  THe umpire needs to be watching the catcher, the ball, & the runner.  Plus, he can't know ahead of time which route the runner is going to take, so he can't get himself into the "perfect" position to make the call.  To me, he looked like he missed the plate, but frankly, to call this atrocious umpiring is overblown.

Eamus Ursuli!

by WGNstatic on Oct 2, 2007 1:40 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The ump...........
...........was Don Denkinger and the runner was Jorge Orta of the Royals.

by tville on Oct 2, 2007 3:04 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They didn't show a good replay on the blown HRcall
either.  It looked like a HR in real-time, but the announcers thought it bounced off the top of the wall (more MLB umpire pandering?).  Then during the ensuing arguement they couldn't show a decent replay.  Of course, HD would have helped, if available, but the replay booth couldn't even show a proper slo-mo of it anyway as they froze it after the ball disappeared, and no spot-shadow or anything.  Oh well, it serves the Rockies right for having such a stupid stadium design to put wheelchairs and tables and crap on the weird terrace a few inches below the top of the outfield fence.

by Jerry Mumphrey on Oct 2, 2007 9:16 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

agreed
I thought the poor quality of the broadcast really came through on the questionable double vs homerun call.  I believe they showed only one angle and they were unable to clearly show anything.  There was no way you could tell if the ball was in or out from the replay.  Frustrating.

by pollymerase on Oct 2, 2007 10:35 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A few comments
They should have had more cameras but I can attribute that to the short amount of time they had to set the game up. Further, this was their first national game and they likely have been allocating a ton of their resources to doing the 4 LDS games. A bad reason, perhaps.

As for the announcer complaints, for how many years have we been wanting to get rid of the McCarvers and Morgans? Finally there is a network who is going with people like Steve Stone, Don Simpson, and other local flavors that are known for being excellent announcers. I'm glad about this and I'd much rather hear Dick Stockton and Ron Darling do Cub games over Chris Berman and Dusty Baker.

I wasn't a big fan of the studio show w/ Cal, but I do believe that the TBS product will get better.

DmL

by dmlichte on Oct 2, 2007 9:58 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Resources
There would not have been time to get a truck from any more removed playoff site - it would have been a regional truck of some sort, and with the Denver area being well-represented in all the major sports leagues, plus major colleges, the "A" trucks are definitely there in the region already.

Directing and crewing are also probably with decent techs and talents, who are either good locals or can fly in.

I still wish high first had given us a good angle - it would have been closest to the plate ump's view angle and shown us more closely what he saw.

by MN exile on Oct 2, 2007 1:18 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My feelings
The only thing I agree with is the poor job in the studio. Thats was boring, and lackluster. Ripken was not as good as I thought he would be. Other than that, I think they did fine. I don't watch the games to see special camera angles or anything like that. I watch them for the game itself, and the players take care of that. I think we're being too harsh. It was clear from just ONE camera angle he was out, why do we need six more telling us the same thing? The times when they did not go to a commercial break was TERRIFIC. Maybe its me, but I don't pay the most attention to the announcers, I'm too into the game. And last nights game was a great game, that was easy to get into. An "F" for TBS is way, way too harsh.  I just think too many people put too much stock in the presentation rather than the game itself. And if we do want a nice presentaion, I think the hitters stats for the night were presented better than the average "1-2 2B RBI". The stat line looked like the scorebook with the hits beinng shown. I did like that.
I would not fight Jason Kendall.

by TCobb1911 on Oct 2, 2007 10:16 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ernie Johnson is better suited
to moderate debates between Magic Johnson and Charles Barkley during an NBA broadcast than to have an ongoing studio conversation with Cal Ripken at various times through the game.

The whole broadcast was flat - this is what exclusivity buys you folks - Thank you Bud Selig.

And I haven't even mentioned shutting out 15% of the national market with a cable-only product, which means my diehard Cubs fan aunt back in Chicago won't be able to watch the games on WGN because she doesn't have cable and the games are on too late in the day for her to come over to my brothers place in Naperville to watch. This is what pisses me off the most about TBS.

by JFCubFan on Oct 2, 2007 10:49 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A+
There was no McCarver or Joe Buck.  There were no sound effects when the graphics changed.  There were no promos for Fox shows.  There was the scorecard stat line which I love.  They showed the game and that's all they did.  As DML pointed out this was most likely not their full complement of cameras since this was a one game playoff.  They were infinitely better than Fox.

by jolietconvict on Oct 2, 2007 11:28 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i do like
that scorecard stat line every time a batter comes up, i wish they would do that on every telecast for every game.  
Kevin Hart Watch: IP: 10.2 K: 12 ERA: 0.84 WHIP: 0.94 K/BB: 3.00 a productive farm system is a wonderful thing.

by kylejo on Oct 2, 2007 11:53 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree with this.
I didn't think the announcing was that bad, just a little pedestrian. There weren't enough replays, especially on the game-ending play.

But I did like the graphics; well-designed and informative without being overwhelming, and best of all -- no swooshes!

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Oct 2, 2007 1:53 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Instead of............
.........making the show about "them", the TBS announcers sat back and called the game.

Nothing worse than listening to some has-been player  talk about "how he did things".  That has nothing to do with the action on the field!  

Give me a guy like Joe Simpson who brings some insight to the call.  I'm far happier.

by tville on Oct 2, 2007 3:07 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i watch the rockies all the time here in denver
and there is usually a camera angle that is right above home plate. i never did see that one on any replays.....

it still seems a bit inconclusive on all the angles i saw, but if holiday never touched the plate it just evens out the bad call on atkins' home run earlier in the game....

the announcers were terrible. they seemed to know nothing about the rockies. they claimed that playoff tickets went on sale monday morning because mlb wouldn't let them print tix, but i bought my division series tix last week. they didn't seem to realize that the rox swept the pads last week in san diego. they seemed to have problems pronouncing "tulowitzki" -- and that's just a few examples. since most teams have 2 tv announcers, i don't know why they don't use one person from each team's regular home crew for playoff games. (ok, i know, it has to do with contracts and money being more important that good broadcasting) it's annoying for fans who have watched all year to put up with some idiot who knows nothing about their team - this goes for any fan of any team in the playoffs!

by anormal on Oct 2, 2007 11:30 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

very good diary!!
i was thinking very much the same things about last nights broadcast. flat out horrid. were in the age of hdtv etc and tbs doesnt look good for a 90s style broadcast. i hate fox and damn sure hate sunday night baseball on espn but i would take either over this crap. bad enough you got playoff games starting at 9:07 pm at night. for the life of me i cant understand that. mlb playoffs,nba playoffs,football etc. are what sports are all about. doenst seem like their treated like their on the big stage to me.
Here comes the nasty leftie to shut it down in the 9th......Clay Rapada!!!!

by cubsluver22 on Oct 2, 2007 11:50 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

There was
absolutley nothing wrong with the look. In fact, the graphics like the scoreline for the hitters was better than anything I've seen all year. People don't like Fox, don't like ESPN, now they don't like  TBS...what is there left to like?? In my opinion, too many people pay attention to the visual and audio, than they do the game.
I would not fight Jason Kendall.

by TCobb1911 on Oct 2, 2007 12:10 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I thought they were great.

 I thought TBS did a very good job at bringing me the game. Don Orsilo was low key and let the action speak for itself. and I thought Ernie did a good job asking Cal the right questions. There might have been one too many "Crowd shots" But I prefer this low key here's the game approach.

   For all those that HATED it, can you give me a national broadcast that you like or is this just another "Just give me Steve Stone" kind of gripes that I've been listening to for years.

 I'll take these guys over Fox and ESPN any day.

"I can't be held responsible for what I personally tell my goons to do...."- C. Montgomery Burns

by yahoodi on Oct 2, 2007 12:02 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I thought
it was better than Fox.  There third base shot showed that Barrett had his foot over the plate and Holliday did not touch it.  Also, there was not all kinds of other crap going on, especially the stupid split screens fox does all the time that make the game take up about one third of my screen.  A lot less sound effects and garbage all over the screen.

I like my games simple and not being forced to watch pitches come in from the "home plate cam" or see so many replays that I don't get to see the next pitch.  Also, this wasn't a "postseason" game, so TBS probably didn't have everything that they will have for the postseason ready to go for this game.

Either way, I thought it was well done, and as long as Joe Buck isn't there I'm happy.

In the middle of difficulty, lies opportunity - Einstein

by cubbieblue86 on Oct 2, 2007 12:07 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I completely disagree with this run-down...
Of the tele-cast.

First of all, the commercial breaks where held to a minimum, the HD presentation was excellent, and I think the game itself was boring in the middle innings say 7 to 12th inning or so.

I like the low key approach and its a helluva lot better then Joe Morgan.

But I have to tell you all, I love the sound effects that fox and CSN does. I think its awesome.

But none the less TBS did an excellent job especially with Cal and Erine in the studio.

A- TBS!

GO CUBS GO! Hey Chicago whatdya say the Cubs are going to win today!

by Galvan316 on Oct 2, 2007 12:14 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I thought
they were better than FOX too.  Not without problems (as some have pointed out) but not terrible.  And they lacked the normal FOX obnoxiousness.  Simpson was dull, but I'll take dull over obnoxious.  (And be aware that this was the fourth broadcast team.  The Red Sox, Yankees and Cubs get teams 1 through 3.)

They decided the story was the Rockies miraculous comeback, not the controversy at the plate.   Can you imagine if that was the Cubs who scored on that play and the announcers, instead of covering the on-field celebrations, spent the next fifteen minutes talking about the last play?  People around here would hit the roof.

I think they should have shown the last play a few more times.  But they did need to cover the celebrations on the field.

I don't think the home run call was blown.  I think they pretty clearly showed it wasn't a home run.  It hit that lip on the railing and bounced back.

I especially liked that they went to studio rather than commercial a couple of times between innings.  That might be a product of not having a lot of time to sell commercials, but they could have just shown the ones they had over and over. (Like WGN does.)  Let's hope they keep that up in the LDS.

It wasn't without problems, but I'd give it a B-/C+.  Not once did they break away from the action to interview an actor (in character) from a Budweiser commercial, as FOX has been known to do.

It wasn't a failure.  

The artist formerly known as JoshinLA

by Josh77 on Oct 2, 2007 12:22 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I may have to give an F
For not knowing how to spell Cal Ripken's name.
"Because I saw this movie called 'Liar Liar' and the message was 'don't lie.' --Cal

by nextyearcub on Oct 2, 2007 12:23 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Better than Fox
but then, what isn't?

Frankly, I'd prefer it to be on WGN, with a simulcast on WGN-AM and have BOTH WGN broadcasting teams in the TV booth.  But that's just me.

Assuming the lag isn't too bad, I'll probably put my radio under the TV, hit mute, and listen to the radio commentary anyway.

Also:

  1. It wasn't a home-run, it bounced off the fence
  2. He was definitely out at the plate
  3. The Padres got robbed
  4. The umpiring has indeed been terrible
  5. It doesn't matter, we'll beat the Rockies in the second round.
Kerry Wood for closer!

by drewishdrewid on Oct 2, 2007 12:42 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No TBS HD on my cable
so I'm having Directv installed on Saturday!  Someone please tell me I'm not making a mistake!  

by eamuscatuli1881 on Oct 2, 2007 1:13 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I love DirecTV
although I don't have an HD TV, so I can't speak to their HD service.

You'll get all the games on the Big Ten Network, which is worth it alone if you're a Big Ten football fan, as most of the people around here are.

The artist formerly known as JoshinLA

by Josh77 on Oct 2, 2007 1:25 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

mistake!!!
i dont have hdtv for tbs on my digital cable either. i had satellite for 2 or 3 years. what i didnt like about it was my bill was always different. if i ordered a ppv it wouldnt show up on my bill for 6 months. also when things would go wrong like my box would quit working calling to get it fixed was an all day affair. i hated satellite. maybe it was just me and hopefully so but digi cable is great imo. i see some liked the tbs broadcasts and i'm happy for yall. i hated it. i would rather watch fox anyday even with all thier flaws.
Here comes the nasty leftie to shut it down in the 9th......Clay Rapada!!!!

by cubsluver22 on Oct 2, 2007 3:25 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You know why there were fewer
commercial breaks?

TBS Sales couldn't sell the time, that's why.
That's possibly why this broadcast was done on the cheap, harkening back to the 1980's style production values.

I understand that we have bashed others in the past...but this is another matter. Fox may have too many bells/whistles, but you can count on a well-produced 'cast. Most of of our comments have centered on the talk of the announcers. I do not remember ONE diary about 'bad production values.'
The talent was bad, but the guys in the truck -- were terrible, down the line.

However, production-wise, Comcast Chicago, FSN West/LA/WGN, and others doing baseball on a local basis would have surpassed the junk TBS threw at us last night.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Oct 2, 2007 1:29 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Why
there were fewer commercials is besides the point. The reasons why they're weren't as many advertisements was a plus. And I'm sure they could have sold time. NHL hockey has commercials for God's sake.
I would not fight Jason Kendall.

by TCobb1911 on Oct 2, 2007 1:48 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm guessing...
... fewer commercials were sold because this was a last-minute game, with two non-marquee teams, and it was up against Monday Night Football.

I'd bet this will be different starting on Wednesday.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Oct 2, 2007 1:57 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's a plus for the consumer
a disaster for the broadcaster. TBS took a loss on this game. Yes, NHL hockey has commercials. On a national basis, NBC has to give the spots away.
Last year's Stanley Cup Playoffs scored a 1.1 rating -- NBC's lowest prime time rating ever. Telemundo had better ratings. Interstingly enough, NBC's technical coverage was absolutely wonderful. The best ever. Better than ESPN. But nobody saw it. (I was the only person watching, possibly.)

FYI, the best coverage for hockey is north of our border. CBC's Hockey Night In Canada is magnificent. I buy the NHL package, avoiding my forlorn Blackhawks to watch that network's coverage of my second favorite sport.

 

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Oct 2, 2007 1:59 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And
nobody has refuted the fact that TNT pretty much does/says whatever they want on NBA telecasts. I contend Johnson/Ripkin didn't want to critcize anybody, on Game 1 of MLB coverage.

And, nice suit on their field reporter. Did he get that at Pimps R Us?

I'm sorry, this was a minor league production.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Oct 2, 2007 1:33 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hey, watch it.
I shop at Pimps R Us... what are you saying?

by eamuscatuli1881 on Oct 2, 2007 1:37 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nicely done.
I didn't mention that in the original post, because that's just a lapse in fashion judgement. However, since there have been a surprising number of people who liked the broadcast (which is cool, differing opinions are fine) I thought I'd go for the bada-bing.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Oct 2, 2007 1:48 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The suit was pretty wacky, all right.
But overall, I didn't think it was a horrible job for their first national broadcast. Is there room for improvement? Sure there is. But the best news is, NO JOE MORGAN!!
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Oct 2, 2007 1:58 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's Craig Sager's thing
Bad suits. Been doing that for years on NBA telecasts. Known for it. Nothing new there.
"Because I saw this movie called 'Liar Liar' and the message was 'don't lie.' --Cal

by nextyearcub on Oct 3, 2007 10:46 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

IMHO
I could really careless if the video quality is that of a home movie and the graphics consist of something made on Microsoft Paint... as long as the Cubs are playing, I'm happy.

by eamuscatuli1881 on Oct 2, 2007 1:50 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Some people arent going to be happy
regardless of what kind of presentation it is. I think TBS did a great job for an otherwise boring matchup save for the first 4 innings and the ending.

Also did anyone else think Peavy looked really bad last night?

GO CUBS GO! Hey Chicago whatdya say the Cubs are going to win today!

by Galvan316 on Oct 2, 2007 2:16 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Peavy...
... had the Cy Young pretty much locked up before last night -- but if it had been a closer race, he might have lost it with that awful performance.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Oct 2, 2007 4:14 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't think so
I don't think voters punish pitchers for getting knocked around Coors Field.

I'd bet Peavy still wins it.  He had a big enough advantage over Brandon Webb, who will probably finish second.

The artist formerly known as JoshinLA

by Josh77 on Oct 3, 2007 12:21 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Slightly OT but how happy are you
With the Padres painful loss? I know you hate them. I of course feel bad for Maddux but at least I have been spared the possibiliyt of his pitching against the Cubs in the post season
How grim is San Diego today.
Trust me not half as grim as NYC re the Mets
"It's the Cubbies. There's always a vibe. It's the greatest vibe in baseball." Greg Maddux on Cub fan's optimism even after the 06 debacle.

by jessica on Oct 2, 2007 6:51 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Don Orsillo
He was the play by play announcer last night. Orsillo calls the Red Sox games on NESN. His New England accent was evident, though he is a graduate of Northwestern University. He sounds boring to me. Orsillo's bio.

by Fraggin Judge on Oct 3, 2007 12:49 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

At least you got to see the game.
Here in Puerto Rico, where I live, Bud Selig outdid himself and TBS was blacked out during the broadcast. Unfortunately, the game wasn't showed on TV anywhere else and now they have the fans up in arms, the cable companies are trying to appease them and the Legislature is threatening to start an investigation. I called MLB in NY to complain this morning and they told me they are going to show the Division Series in PR, though I still don't know in which channel. At least I saw the game on MLB.TV but most people are not subscribed to that.

Apparently, greedy MLBud and his cronies sold the broadcast rights to PR separately but no one bought the rights to last night's game. TBS didn't buy them, either (they don't care about their viewers here but they charge full price to the local cable systems).

This is all too common every postseason in Puerto Rico. Last year, MLB offices had to intervene because a certain company bought the rights to the Division Series but couldn't buy time in a local station to broadcast the games. The company that bought the rights had a huge debt with the TV station so the TV station refused to sell them additional broadcast time. Tired of all the local complaints, MLB ended up letting us watch on ESPN the games that were not broadcast on the local station.

by Fraggin Judge on Oct 3, 2007 1:09 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This is what I was talking about...
... when I said that they didn't think of EVERYONE when they sold the rights to TBS. There's no reason they shouldn't have sold the rights to any tiebreaker games to local stations in places where TBS simply is not available.

Idiots.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Oct 3, 2007 11:16 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Jessica
There's a nice amount of angst in this market right now. And most of it is pointed at -- (wait for it) Trevor Hoffman! "Time To Retire!" He's Through!"

Sound familiar? There is more griping and complaining on talk shows and 'letters to the editor' than usual, so that's good -- more people actually care. Another line of thought is -- yeah, you got Bradley (nobody seems to be mad about his meltdown, the umpire is getting all the blame here, Bradley is skating on this issue) but, "if you spent some money for ONE MORE BAT...maybe you wouldn't  need Brady Clark and that other loser from the Astros who tried to run over Prince Fielder in Saturday's game!"

What is compounding this, at this unique moment in SD sports is that the Chargers, expected to dance to the Super Bowl, are UNexpectedly awful. (The Chargers are 1 TD pass from Tomlinson in Game 1 against the Bears from being 0-4)

I'm hearing, and reading....

"San Diego Sports is cursed!"

"All we've had to cheer about in the last 25 years is a home run by Steve Garvey!"

Guess he forgot about the 1998 World Series. Nobody was going to beat the Yankees that year.
And, those that DO remember are placing retroactive blame for losing on...Hoffman. The most overbearing are calling for Hoffman to be 'replaced' by Heath Bell, or asking for a 'trade' or hoping he'll 'retire.'

Perhaps "Hell's Bells" will be placed into the ashcan of history at Petco Park next year, for as one writer at gaslamp ball said...."500 worthless saves."

Whatta maroon....
 

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Oct 3, 2007 4:02 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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