Cubs on Curt Schilling's list of preferred teams
The Cubs are among the 12 teams Curt Schilling lists as his preferred destination since filing for free agency. He cites a number of factors, one of which is the team's chances in October. The Cards and Brewers also made the list.
Anyone have any thoughts? He's probably seeking somewhere around $13million for a one-year deal.
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Jose wonders...
by Thelonious on Oct 30, 2007 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jose needs to put down the quervo
You've got to be kidding. Like the Cubs don't already have countless bloated contracts on average players. IN that sense, Schilling would be a natural fit.
by lemon20pie on Oct 30, 2007 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I generally...
Going by the more reliable stat ERA+, he's averaged an ERA+ of about 120 over the past two seasons (where 100 is average). You called schilling "average", but it seems that taking 30 seconds to look at simple statistics has amply proven that you're talking out of your ass. His ERA was almost a full run better than league average.
Going by some of the more telling peripheral statistics, he posted an impressive K/bb of 4.39 in 2007, and an awesome 6.54 k/bb in 2006. Clearly, this must be the sign of an average pitcher. He's given up more hits as he's gotten older, but due to his excellent control numbers, he has still posted very respectable WHIPs between 1.20 and 1.25 over those two seasons.
And needless to say, a move from the strongest division in a DH league, to the weakest division in a non-DH league has obvious benefits.
You also question his contract as "bloated". Well, I have a few things to say about this. First, it's going to be a short-term deal, which means he'll be off the books when some of our backloaded contracts really begin to squeeze this team, and effectively making his salary easier to sustain. You also argued that 10 million is too much (he'll actually get a few million more per year). Well, if you really feel that way, then you haven't been paying attention to the current trend in pitcher salaries. We're paying 7 million a year for a pitcher that may be no better (or even worse) than replacement level in any given season (Marquis). The Cardinals just gave a ton of money to Joel Piniero. Look at what Gil Meche, or Ted Lilly, or Javier Vazquez make. 13 million per year doesn't buy nearly as much as it once did. At any rate, why do you care? If the Cubs are actually willing to spend money to help this team (and I assure you, they really wouldn't be overpaying), then what's it to you? As I said, he'll be off the books quite soon, so he shouldn't handcuff this team as they try to deal out cash in the future.
Based on their respective career histories, this supposedly average pitcher will probably put up better numbers than Ted Lilly next season. Lilly had a career year, and regression is a high probability as he outplayed his PECOTA across the board in 2007. Barring some sort of anomolous season from one of our other starters, or a major improvement from Hill, this means Schilling stands an excellent chance at posting the second best numbers on our staff. But even if he posts the third best numbers, he still pushes the worst pitcher off the starting rotation and our number four then becomes the number five: addition by subtraction.
Finally, I don't put a ton of stock in post-season success/failure due to small sample sizes, but for those that do, Schilling has been one of the better postseason starters of his generation. This is just an afterthought in my reasoning, but it's worth noting.
(it's "Cuervo", by the way).
by Thelonious on Oct 31, 2007 1:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
1 word for you drunk
The point is, dude the drunk, the Cubs barring some major upgrades and tweaking of the roster, ain't gonna win the World Series next year, or probably the year after with or without your washed up boy Schilling, who's coming off a WS ring and would only come to the Cubs for the same sick reasons our other aging washed up friend, Clifford Floyd.
WHy tie up buttloads more money on an aging pitcher past his prime, which could handicap this organization when, gash, maybe some of these decent pitching prospects are ready. Let me guess, because just like Maddux, he can be the "pitching coach" and be more valuable than just pitching as well? GMAFB.
This team needs a RF,CF and SS before they need a pompous ass Curt Schilling.
by lemon20pie on Oct 31, 2007 1:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
am i hearing this correctly
this is just ridiculous, i remember last year people said, "there is no way the cubs can compete next year, time to blow it all up." How can you just go tossing around comments like this? The National League is a bad league, anyone can make it to the world series, and in baseball, anyone can get hot and win a series, even if it is against a better AL team.
If you can add a #2 pitcher at a short contract you do it, especially after you just won the division. If the Cubs have any chance of winning the world series in the next ten years, there best chance will be in the next two years, when soriano, dlee and aramis are all still playing at a high level. Three years from now these guys are not going to be the elite players they are right now.
by kylejo on Oct 31, 2007 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
New SS?
Okay...
by cocknfire on Oct 31, 2007 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
According to a new article
Perhaps, Bonds is available? I mean, you did think he is was the best player in the NL last year.
by DTJchris on Oct 31, 2007 7:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope you appreciate that..
by Damen Jackson on Oct 31, 2007 8:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, I know that
Plus, I just don't particularly like The Drunk, not saying he doesn't have the capabilty to look up stats with the best of them, but he just seems pompous and likes to belittle people any chance he gets with posts like, "you aren't very smart, are you?" Skirting the decency codes at this site.
by DTJchris on Oct 31, 2007 8:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm pretty sure
by Kinky Reggae on Oct 31, 2007 8:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
When do I ever call people stupid?
I'm not defending Lemon20pie by the way.
by DTJchris on Oct 31, 2007 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Que????????????????
Speaka English? I was remarking about lemonpie not being very respectful. I don't remember stating anything about you.
If he called you stupid then I am sorry (I guess not sure why I would apologize for him) but I was specifically referring to someone else's past behavior.
by Kinky Reggae on Oct 31, 2007 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait
I am losing control of this conversation. I am very very confused.
Maybe it is I that is not very smart.
by Kinky Reggae on Oct 31, 2007 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no, I was quoting him
by DTJchris on Oct 31, 2007 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My bad
by DTJchris on Oct 31, 2007 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay good
Not you, lemonpie.
by Kinky Reggae on Oct 31, 2007 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough...
by Damen Jackson on Oct 31, 2007 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not that I don't think the Cubs need
As I have said before here, I really want to see Bedard as a Cub, he would obviously have to come via trade, we wouldn't have to spend a bunch of money, and he would be an investment, someone that would be around for more than 1 or 2 seasons.
by DTJchris on Oct 31, 2007 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not that I disagree...
by Damen Jackson on Oct 31, 2007 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trades to Free Up Money
Of course, if Dusty Baker is given free reign in Cincy we might see something... and the Orioles can always be fleeced.... but I think even those teams would not take any of the Cub money players.
by frustratedfan on Oct 31, 2007 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lilly
Damn these albatross contracts!!!!
by cocknfire on Oct 31, 2007 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Problem
by frustratedfan on Oct 31, 2007 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dempster and Jones
Hart, Petrick and others can fill Dempster's spot. Doesn't everyone here love Murton? Put Pie in center, and if he doesn't work out, then you find something else mid-season. Mighty Murty in right or make a trade.
by tyger1147 on Oct 31, 2007 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No thanks
by HectorVillanueva on Oct 30, 2007 9:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I like Schill.
by Kinky Reggae on Oct 30, 2007 9:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd have no problem...
by Damen Jackson on Oct 30, 2007 9:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
are
by tbizzle83 on Oct 30, 2007 9:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He isnt on my prefered list of FA...
Remember his nickname in Boston was "Table for One" His teammates gave him that. Speaks volumes. No thanks
by JB 23 on Oct 30, 2007 9:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
JMO
I think that Jim Hendry needs to prioritize, and starting pitchers are #3.
by DeRoMyHero on Oct 30, 2007 10:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I might agree with you...
Also, the fact that our pitching staff was ranked #2 in the NL is completely irrelevant. Look at it this way: a team giving up X number of earned runs fewer is the same improvement regardless of their baseline value.
Furthermore, expect Ted Lilly to regress next year. There is no reason to believe he'll repeat his success this year, and every reason to believe he'll give up a few more runs, and pitch a few fewer innings (age, second year in the league, expected regression off 'career year' levels). As for the staff as a whole, the collective good health they saw in 2007 has absolutely no bearing on their health in 2008. The same risk of injury applies, and extra pitchers are always handy.
I'd really love to dispel the notion that it somehow matters where (speaking in terms of positions on the field) improvements to teams are made. If our pitching staff gives up 10 fewer runs next year, it's essentially the same as signing a right fielder who provides 10 more runs than our team of RF in 2007. In absolute terms, there is a limit as to how potent a pitching staff can become, but in the context of reality, signing better pitchers can always lower the staff's earned run total.
Offseason money must be allocated with respect to 'utility value', not 'plugging holes'. By this, I mean that money generally (with some exceptions) should be allocated to the players that most significantly improve the team's run differential in a ratio to their salary (in other words, the most runs/dollars spent).
by Thelonious on Oct 30, 2007 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
by TheHawk5 on Oct 31, 2007 2:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like you said, it's not fantasy baseball
Puleeze. END this insanity now!!!!!
WHat's next, AROD??????
by lemon20pie on Oct 31, 2007 2:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, Thelonius
I appreciate your posts, especially on prospects and GM decisions, and look forward to hearing more from you during Hot Stove season.
by zambranofan on Oct 31, 2007 7:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lemon...
And don't worry about the kids. One way or another, the best talent usually gets played.
by Damen Jackson on Oct 31, 2007 7:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Depends
by airweino on Oct 30, 2007 11:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Neifi
I wonder if Dusty is still on the phone with him, or if they already have an agreement in principle.
by 08Cubs on Oct 30, 2007 11:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
go get him
by kylejo on Oct 30, 2007 11:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Schilling--Three Rings
by juanpizzaro on Oct 30, 2007 11:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't spend
If he were willing to sign a one year deal, I'd make an offer. But someone is going to offer him at least two years and maybe three. I don't think it's really an expense we need to be making.
Unfortunately, the one free agent we could really use is probably out of our price range.
by Josh77 on Oct 31, 2007 12:16 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I WOULD spend
Year in and year out it is starting pitching and bullpen pitching that win world series. I know the Cubs offense tanked this offseason and cost us big time, but so did the pitching staff as well aside from Z.
This club is built around SOriano, Lee, and Ramirez for the next several years as our 'go-to' guys, and given their hefty contracts and no trade clauses, that isn't going to change. ALl three stunk this postseason, but history has shown these guys will probably succeed given another chance....or we'll need to count on them to do so, because again these guys are our core. Every other position player should be built around these 3 guys...namely on base guys/speed guys. if you can get decent left-handed-hitting power hitter in addition, great!
But this club, NEEDS to solidify its starting pitching. Aside from Z and Lilly, this clubs staff is anything from solidified. Marquis will continue to eat innings, if nothing else given his contract. But the other slots are wide open, and should be. it'd be great to count on the young guys (Hart, Hill, ?Marshall, and dare I say it...Prior) to fill those other roles, but that should not be the attitude going into 2008. If it is, we may win the division again in 2008, but I'd expect an early exit again much like this year.
We took a 'chance' on locking up Lee/Ramirez/Soriano with big contracts over the next sevearl years. We have no choice but to ride their backs..and I do think they'll prove Hendry correct. But it's the starting pitching that's going to carry us through to a WS, and I don't see that happening with our current staff.
I agree with Al, I think we need to aim high for SP.....NOW
by LuisSalazar on Oct 31, 2007 7:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why is it assumed...
The pitching free agent list is very, very thin this year. Schilling may be the best of the lot, and he's 41 years old.
Let's look at trade possibilities, and aim high: Erik Bedard.
by Al on Oct 31, 2007 3:56 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Is Bedard a righty or lefty
Your right the trade route is the only way to go.
by Me and Lou WS 07 on Oct 31, 2007 7:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely go after Bedard
by CubFaninCA on Oct 31, 2007 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Living here in DC
I know a lot of people are bringing him up but I don't see him moving.
by rlpete on Oct 31, 2007 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting
From that list i'd say his first priority is to be playing for a contender, and he likes the idea of getting an NL gig to boost his numbers.
I'd be delighted to slot him into the Cubs rotation, but would be surprised to see the Red-Sox let him go.
by MadHatterBlues on Oct 31, 2007 6:11 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Schilling is toast if Red Sox want A-Rod
by juanpizzaro on Oct 31, 2007 6:41 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Pass
by BrownE34 on Oct 31, 2007 8:24 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
As someone said above
I on the other hand, do not think that SS is such a glaring need. Fukudome and Schilling or Bedard would be great.
Heck, since this is fantasy baseball, I still want Crawford.
by Kinky Reggae on Oct 31, 2007 8:30 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
curt
by NOMAR on Oct 31, 2007 8:54 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Wins are stupid as a stat for pitchers
by Perkins on Oct 31, 2007 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Curt=WS Winner
That said, I'd love to have Fukudome or Bedard too. But Curt has won the whole thing and isn't that what we want too?
by wombat on Oct 31, 2007 9:08 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I hate Schilling
FYI in my other why for a year dept. Andruw Jones anyone ? He is coming off a DISASTEROUS year. His loveable agent Scott Boras has indicated that he might try to basically " Jeff Weaver" him since there is no way he can get a decent multi-year deal after this season but if he takes an incentive laden one year deal and does well he can cash in NEXT year. A one year rent a CF sounds good to me and I am willing to risk that last year was if not a fluke certianly not indictive of his talent.
by jessica on Oct 31, 2007 10:21 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!!!!!!!!!!
It would be better to set money ablaze than to give it to that burnt-out husk.
No. Thank. You.
by cwyers on Oct 31, 2007 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Worse defense than JJ?
by LT on Oct 31, 2007 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
at a one year deal
by kylejo on Oct 31, 2007 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My prediction.....
by Peoria Matt on Oct 31, 2007 4:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm pretty confident...
by Damen Jackson on Oct 31, 2007 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
15 or so reasons why Schilling makes sense.
Level 1--
- He'll fit the "budget"
- He'll be NO WORSE than the third best pitcher, probably the second best
- He only wants a one year deal
On 1)
a) If they traded Jones and Dempster, he might not cost more than a few million.
b) If they didn't, with Floyd, Monroe and Kendall gone, he's still not costing that much.
c) There would undoubtedly be more Schilling merchandise sold than whatever pitcher he replaced.
d) He would probably take a deal worth incentives (although not a large part of it).
e) He is known to have a little ego meaning that he might take a lesser deal by a mil or so to come to the Cubs. (note I said "might")
On 2)
a) He wouldn't be replacing Lilly, he'd be replacing Marquis or Marshall, who he will DEFINITELY be better than.'
b) He doesn't walk people which would be huge for this team.
c) He will be hurt for 5-10 starts meaning Gallagher or Hart or whomever will get their "prep starts" for 2009.
d) In the recent playoff format, having a top-heavy rotation is a damn good thing. Zambrano, Schilling, Lilly, Hill is far better than having Marquis pitch or Zambrano pitching on short rest.
On 3)
a) He won't impede the progress of guys who would almost certainly be ready for the rotation in 2009-2010 (if at all) like Gallagher, Holliman, Huseby, Pawelek, etc.
b) The new owner will not be stuck with the contract. Any money they do pay would almost certainly be made up in the money they get by making the playoffs and making a deeper run.
The ONLY way this doesn't work is if Schilling doesn't finish the season because of injury or falls apart completely or you can't trade Marshall or Marquis mid-season FOR ANYTHING, at which point, it just becomes a loss of money. And who the hell are WE to care about THAT?
BTW... No. 1) assumes a bad knowledge of the payroll and budget. And if he is being offered a 2-year deal, I'm more hesitant.
by tyger1147 on Oct 31, 2007 6:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I like Schillng
He's been around a long time and has extra mileage on him because of postseasons.
5 years ago I would have signed him.
Heck I'm not even saying no completely. No to 13 million though.
by cubstoseriesby100 on Oct 31, 2007 6:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Forget it
by wild bill on Nov 1, 2007 3:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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