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Cubs on Curt Schilling's list of preferred teams

From Curt Schilling's blog...

The Cubs are among the 12 teams Curt Schilling lists as his preferred destination since filing for free agency.  He cites a number of factors, one of which is the team's chances in October.  The Cards and Brewers also made the list.

Anyone have any thoughts?  He's probably seeking somewhere around $13million for a one-year deal.

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Jose wonders...
why you're opposed to the cubs signing good pitchers? He doesn't get it.

by Thelonious on Oct 30, 2007 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jose needs to put down the quervo
 Good pitcher? He's average at best and not getting any younger. Plus he'll want $10 Million a year. Hellz no.

 You've got to be kidding. Like the Cubs don't already have countless bloated contracts on average players. IN that sense, Schilling would be a natural fit.

 

by lemon20pie on Oct 30, 2007 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I generally...
disagree with, and/or laugh at most of what you write, and this is no exception. Aside from 2005 (when he suffered from injuries), Schilling hasn't put up an ERA over 4 since 1994. You may wisely argue that he should be seeing major regression due to age, and this is true. Let's instead examine his last two seasons (which will more clearly project his next couple seasons):

Going by the more reliable stat ERA+, he's averaged an ERA+ of about 120 over the past two seasons (where 100 is average). You called schilling "average", but it seems that taking 30 seconds to look at simple statistics has amply proven that you're talking out of your ass. His ERA was almost a full run better than league average.

Going by some of the more telling peripheral statistics, he posted an impressive K/bb of 4.39 in 2007, and an awesome 6.54 k/bb in 2006. Clearly, this must be the sign of an average pitcher. He's given up more hits as he's gotten older, but due to his excellent control numbers, he has still posted very respectable WHIPs between 1.20 and 1.25 over those two seasons.

And needless to say, a move from the strongest division in a DH league, to the weakest division in a non-DH league has obvious benefits.

You also question his contract as "bloated". Well, I have a few things to say about this. First, it's going to be a short-term deal, which means he'll be off the books when some of our backloaded contracts really begin to squeeze this team, and effectively making his salary easier to sustain. You also argued that 10 million is too much (he'll actually get a few million more per year). Well, if you really feel that way, then you haven't been paying attention to the current trend in pitcher salaries. We're paying 7 million a year for a pitcher that may be no better (or even worse) than replacement level in any given season (Marquis). The Cardinals just gave a ton of money to Joel Piniero. Look at what Gil Meche, or Ted Lilly, or Javier Vazquez make. 13 million per year doesn't buy nearly as much as it once did. At any rate, why do you care? If the Cubs are actually willing to spend money to help this team (and I assure you, they really wouldn't be overpaying), then what's it to you? As I said, he'll be off the books quite soon, so he shouldn't handcuff this team as they try to deal out cash in the future.

Based on their respective career histories, this supposedly average pitcher will probably put up better numbers than Ted Lilly next season. Lilly had a career year, and regression is a high probability as he outplayed his PECOTA across the board in 2007. Barring some sort of anomolous season from one of our other starters, or a major improvement from Hill, this means Schilling stands an excellent chance at posting the second best numbers on our staff. But even if he posts the third best numbers, he still pushes the worst pitcher off the starting rotation and our number four then becomes the number five: addition by subtraction.

Finally, I don't put a ton of stock in post-season success/failure due to small sample sizes, but for those that do, Schilling has been one of the better postseason starters of his generation. This is just an afterthought in my reasoning, but it's worth noting.

(it's "Cuervo", by the way).

by Thelonious on Oct 31, 2007 1:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

1 word for you drunk
  Yawn.

 The point is, dude the drunk, the Cubs barring some major upgrades and tweaking of the roster, ain't gonna win the World Series next year, or probably the year after with or without your washed up boy Schilling, who's coming off a WS ring and would only come to the Cubs for the same sick reasons our other aging washed up friend, Clifford Floyd.

 WHy tie up buttloads more money on an aging pitcher past his prime, which could handicap this organization when, gash, maybe some of these decent pitching prospects are ready. Let me guess, because just like Maddux, he can be the "pitching coach" and be more valuable than just pitching as well? GMAFB.

 This team needs a RF,CF and SS before they need a pompous ass Curt Schilling.

by lemon20pie on Oct 31, 2007 1:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

am i hearing this correctly
you are just blanketly saying that the cubs wont win the world series next year or the year after, and therefore, should not try to improve in the short run?

this is just ridiculous, i remember last year people said, "there is no way the cubs can compete next year, time to blow it all up."  How can you just go tossing around comments like this?  The National League is a bad league, anyone can make it to the world series, and in baseball, anyone can get hot and win a series, even if it is against a better AL team.

If you can add a #2 pitcher at a short contract you do it, especially after you just won the division.  If the Cubs have any chance of winning the world series in the next ten years, there best chance will be in the next two years, when soriano, dlee and aramis are all still playing at a high level.  Three years from now these guys are not going to be the elite players they are right now.

Kevin Hart Watch: IP: 11 K: 13 ERA: 0.82 WHIP: 1.00 K/BB: 3.25 a productive farm system is a wonderful thing.

by kylejo on Oct 31, 2007 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

New SS?
Dude, you're going to replace Theriot before you get somebody who can bump Marquis out of the rotation?

Okay...

by cocknfire on Oct 31, 2007 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Question
Are you high, or just very stupid?
ROTHSCHILD!

by Perkins on Oct 31, 2007 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

According to a new article
the Cubs will only add about $15 million in pay roll this offseason.  Though I don't completely agree with this, but you think we should thus make our only offseason aqcuisition be Curt Schilling?  Seriously?  If you think that way, as you so much like to say, "You aren't that smart," there's much more pressing needs.

Perhaps, Bonds is available?  I mean, you did think he is was the best player in the NL last year.

"Prince Fielder Dies Of Inside-The-Park Homerun" - The Onion

by DTJchris on Oct 31, 2007 7:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hope you appreciate that..
 these things really aren't made in a vacuum. There is the potential for trades to free up cash (and give younger players a chance), the potential for deferred money contracts, players restructuring deals, etc. There are moves to make to work around monetary limitations. I'm not saying right now that Schilling would be the right choice, but you really can't let money get in the way of improving your ballclub. Managing a budget, while fielding a competitive team is at the heart of a GMs responsibility. Hendry just needs to get to work.

by Damen Jackson on Oct 31, 2007 8:12 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, I know that
pretty much what I was getting at is, if the Cubs don't have an endless supply of money to work with this offseason, the most pressing need is not to aquire Curt Schilling.  We should focus on needs first and fill in with luxuries after that.  

Plus, I just don't particularly like The Drunk, not saying he doesn't have the capabilty to look up stats with the best of them, but he just seems pompous and likes to belittle people any chance he gets with posts like, "you aren't very smart, are you?"  Skirting the decency codes at this site.

"Prince Fielder Dies Of Inside-The-Park Homerun" - The Onion

by DTJchris on Oct 31, 2007 8:22 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm pretty sure
lemonpie is not always respectful either.  I can remember many a time when he belittles and berates. I'm not offended by the drunk's actions.  I think it takes one to know one.
MMMMM...Fernandos fajitas and margaritas

by Kinky Reggae on Oct 31, 2007 8:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

When do I ever call people stupid?
The Drunk constantly does that just because someone doesn't agree with him, making me think that he believes he is God's gift to baseball knowledge, if you don't agree with him, it automatically makes you stupid or not smart.  

I'm not defending Lemon20pie by the way.

"Prince Fielder Dies Of Inside-The-Park Homerun" - The Onion

by DTJchris on Oct 31, 2007 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Que????????????????
Did I say anything about you at all?

Speaka English?  I was remarking about lemonpie not being very respectful.  I don't remember stating anything about you.

If he called you stupid then I am sorry (I guess not sure why I would apologize for him) but I was specifically referring to someone else's past behavior.

MMMMM...Fernandos fajitas and margaritas

by Kinky Reggae on Oct 31, 2007 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wait
didn't you say "you aren't that smart are you?"?

I am losing control of this conversation.  I am very very confused.

Maybe it is I that is not very smart.

MMMMM...Fernandos fajitas and margaritas

by Kinky Reggae on Oct 31, 2007 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

no, I was quoting him
"Prince Fielder Dies Of Inside-The-Park Homerun" - The Onion

by DTJchris on Oct 31, 2007 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My bad
I thought when you said, "takes one to know one" it was directed at me.  My mistake.
"Prince Fielder Dies Of Inside-The-Park Homerun" - The Onion

by DTJchris on Oct 31, 2007 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Okay good
thought I was losing it for a second there.

Not you, lemonpie.

MMMMM...Fernandos fajitas and margaritas

by Kinky Reggae on Oct 31, 2007 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fair enough...
 Your feelings on Thelonius aside, the Cubs have already stated publicly that their off-season interests are in a starting pitcher, and RF. So, for whatever we think, they don't appear to be satisfied with the in-house talent. Maybe that changes at the organizational meetings, but for right now any interest that they might have in Schilling would be a need.

by Damen Jackson on Oct 31, 2007 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not that I don't think the Cubs need
a SP, but the first order of business is offense and then see after that what extra money we have to work with.  Plus, I would rather see the Cubs go after a younger arm, which is almost anybody in baseball compared to Schilling.  

As I have said before here, I really want to see Bedard as a Cub, he would obviously have to come via trade, we wouldn't have to spend a bunch of money, and he would be an investment, someone that would be around for more than 1 or 2 seasons.

"Prince Fielder Dies Of Inside-The-Park Homerun" - The Onion

by DTJchris on Oct 31, 2007 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not that I disagree...
 however I'm not in the front office. I suspect by the GM meetings next week you should have a feel for what they consider the priorities to be.

by Damen Jackson on Oct 31, 2007 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Trades to Free Up Money
I keep reading this comment.  What Trades can be made to free up money.   The Cub Players with "big" contracts are either too valuable and important to trade (Zambrano, Lee and A-Ram) or have contracts that are Albatrosses (Soriano and Lilly) or are contracts for far more money than the player is worth (Marquis).  I just don't see any feasible trades (again assuming that all of the GM's in baseball are at least as smart as Hendry -- Hendry might make a trade -- but the rest won't).  

Of course, if Dusty Baker is given free reign in Cincy we might see something... and the Orioles can always be fleeced.... but I think even those teams would not take any of the Cub money players.

by frustratedfan on Oct 31, 2007 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lilly
34 starts, 207.0 innings, 174 K, 15-8, 1.14 WHIP, 3.83 ERA

Damn these albatross contracts!!!!

by cocknfire on Oct 31, 2007 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Problem
with Lilly and Soriano is that the contracts are long enough that they will not be good at the end.

by frustratedfan on Oct 31, 2007 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dempster and Jones
That's almost $10 mil right there. Take the market value for these guys: Sam Fuld/Ryan Theriot types in AA and a year or two away and I'm satisfied.

Hart, Petrick and others can fill Dempster's spot. Doesn't everyone here love Murton? Put Pie in center, and if he doesn't work out, then you find something else mid-season. Mighty Murty in right or make a trade.

by tyger1147 on Oct 31, 2007 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No thanks
I don't know why, something about him just bugs me.  I don't want him here.

by HectorVillanueva on Oct 30, 2007 9:10 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I like Schill.
Don't think he's comin here though.
MMMMM...Fernandos fajitas and margaritas

by Kinky Reggae on Oct 30, 2007 9:10 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I'd have no problem...
 sign him to a one year, with option. Truth though? Me thinks he's won't leave the East Coast unless he absolutely has to.

by Damen Jackson on Oct 30, 2007 9:15 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

are
you kidding? why not sign him? a great postseason starter, better than all of the starters on our roster(except big z) and we need another righty. shoot he helped end one drought let him help end this one.
WhErE's My CuBs?!?!

by tbizzle83 on Oct 30, 2007 9:19 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

He isnt on my prefered list of FA...
In fact he isn't on any list of mine except for the one of egomaniacs.

Remember his nickname in Boston was "Table for One" His teammates gave him that. Speaks volumes. No thanks

Let me get back to you, will ya, Charlie? I got a guy on the other line asking about some white walls.

by JB 23 on Oct 30, 2007 9:55 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

JMO
If money were no object, I'd say YES!  However, the Cubs do have a finite payroll, their pitching staff had the second best ERA in the NL, their top four starters (Z, Lilly, Hill, and Marquis) didn't miss a start all year (and none has had serious arm problems), and the Cubs desparately need a RF and a SS.

I think that Jim Hendry needs to prioritize, and starting pitchers are #3.

"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007

by DeRoMyHero on Oct 30, 2007 10:25 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I might agree with you...
If Schilling was projected to be signed for a long-term contract. But he's probably only going to get one year, or two at the most. He'll be off the books before some of these backloaded contracts really start to hurt. This should make the opportunity cost of signing Schilling low.

Also, the fact that our pitching staff was ranked #2 in the NL is completely irrelevant. Look at it this way: a team giving up X number of earned runs fewer is the same improvement regardless of their baseline value.

Furthermore, expect Ted Lilly to regress next year. There is no reason to believe he'll repeat his success this year, and every reason to believe he'll give up a few more runs, and pitch a few fewer innings (age, second year in the league, expected regression off 'career year' levels). As for the staff as a whole, the collective good health they saw in 2007 has absolutely no bearing on their health in 2008. The same risk of injury applies, and extra pitchers are always handy.

I'd really love to dispel the notion that it somehow matters where (speaking in terms of positions on the field) improvements to teams are made. If our pitching staff gives up 10 fewer runs next year, it's essentially the same as signing a right fielder who provides 10 more runs than our team of RF in 2007. In absolute terms, there is a limit as to how potent a pitching staff can become, but in the context of reality, signing better pitchers can always lower the staff's earned run total.

Offseason money must be allocated with respect to 'utility value', not 'plugging holes'. By this, I mean that money generally (with some exceptions) should be allocated to the players that most significantly improve the team's run differential   in a ratio to their salary (in other words, the most runs/dollars spent).

by Thelonious on Oct 30, 2007 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree
Its not fantasy baseball, where you need categorical help to get better (more HRs, RBI, etc.); its real life and giving up fewer runs is just as good as scoring more.  Sign him up!!

by TheHawk5 on Oct 31, 2007 2:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Like you said, it's not fantasy baseball
 The Cubs have much more dire positional needs than a flaky Curt Schilling at 10 per.

Puleeze. END this insanity now!!!!!

WHat's next, AROD??????

by lemon20pie on Oct 31, 2007 2:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ah, Thelonius
I agree with your position on Schilling wholeheartedly.  However, saying "you're not too smart, are you?" is the kind of ad hominem that Al tries to downplay on this site.  Certainly, you refrained from writing something more direct, like "you f*ing idiot" which is directly against policy, but I hope you will be able to bear lemon's postings in the future without getting so frustrated.  Remember last Fall?  Things went crazy for a while when there was no baseball news.  

I appreciate your posts, especially on prospects and GM decisions, and look forward to hearing more from you during Hot Stove season.  

Geo! (clap-clap-clap) Soto! (clap-clap-clap)

by zambranofan on Oct 31, 2007 7:11 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lemon...
 You're so very wrong on this man. I'm fairly indifferent on this right now, and if anything would prefer that the Cubs consider a move like this a secondary option. However, signing Schilling makes so much sense not only from a baseball perspective, but from a financial and marketing standpoint as well. If you're in the front office, this is EXACTLY the sort of player that you're looking to take on this off-season.

  And don't worry about the kids. One way or another, the best talent usually gets played.

by Damen Jackson on Oct 31, 2007 7:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Depends
on the amount of money he wants, but a one year deal would be fine with me. He is a proven winner. Plus coming back to the NL can only help him, right?
D-LEE!

by airweino on Oct 30, 2007 11:01 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Neifi
I see Neifi has also filed.

I wonder if Dusty is still on the phone with him, or if they already have an agreement in principle.

¡BLANCO!

by 08Cubs on Oct 30, 2007 11:05 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

go get him
this would seem to be a two year deal max, we've got young pitching talent coming, why not bridge the gap with a #2/#3 starting pitcher?
Kevin Hart Watch: IP: 11 K: 13 ERA: 0.82 WHIP: 1.00 K/BB: 3.25 a productive farm system is a wonderful thing.

by kylejo on Oct 30, 2007 11:21 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Schilling--Three Rings
How many do our other pitchers have? Zambrano, Lilly, Schilling, and Hill, with the field covering #5. I can live with that rotation.

by juanpizzaro on Oct 30, 2007 11:50 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't spend
the Cubs money on a starting pitcher.  Zambrano, Hill and Lilly are solid.  Marshall, Gallagher and Hart are all ready to take a turn.  Marquis can eat innings if nothing else.  And then there is Juan Mateo and the Employee.  One might be healthy.

If he were willing to sign a one year deal, I'd make an offer.  But someone is going to offer him at least two years and maybe three.  I don't think it's really an expense we need to be making.

Unfortunately, the one free agent we could really use is probably out of our price range.

The artist formerly known as JoshinLA

by Josh77 on Oct 31, 2007 12:16 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I WOULD spend
the Cubs money on Starting pitching......I'm not convinced that Z, HIll, and Lilly are as solid as you say.  I agree we have some potential arms coming up in the farm system that may be great, but IMO this club NEEDS starting pitching if we hope to contend the next couple of years, something this club has been built to do.  

Year in and year out it is starting pitching and bullpen pitching that win world series.  I know the Cubs offense tanked this offseason and cost us big time, but so did the pitching staff as well aside from Z.  

This club is built around SOriano, Lee, and Ramirez for the next several years as our 'go-to' guys, and given their hefty contracts and no trade clauses, that isn't going to change.  ALl three stunk this postseason, but history has shown these guys will probably succeed given another chance....or we'll need to count on them to do so, because again these guys are our core.  Every other position player should be built around these 3 guys...namely on base guys/speed guys.  if  you can get decent left-handed-hitting power hitter in addition, great!

But this club, NEEDS to solidify its starting pitching.  Aside from Z and Lilly, this clubs staff is anything from solidified.  Marquis will continue to eat innings, if nothing else given his contract.   But the other slots are wide open, and should be.  it'd be great to count on the young guys (Hart, Hill, ?Marshall, and dare I say it...Prior) to fill those other roles, but that should not be the attitude going into 2008.  If it is, we may win the division again in 2008, but I'd expect an early exit again much like this year.  

We took a 'chance' on locking up Lee/Ramirez/Soriano with big contracts over the next sevearl years.  We have no choice but to ride their backs..and I do think they'll prove Hendry correct.  But it's the starting pitching that's going to carry us through to a WS, and I don't see that happening with our current staff.

I agree with Al, I think we need to aim high for SP.....NOW

by LuisSalazar on Oct 31, 2007 7:02 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why is it assumed...
... that the only way to get a player is via free agency?

The pitching free agent list is very, very thin this year. Schilling may be the best of the lot, and he's 41 years old.

Let's look at trade possibilities, and aim high: Erik Bedard.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Oct 31, 2007 3:56 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Is Bedard a righty or lefty
When I read that 'aim high' part right away I thought Danny Haren. I doubt he gets traded, unless we offer something they cant refuse.

Your right the trade route is the only way to go.

We will see some beautiful things come the fall.

by Me and Lou WS 07 on Oct 31, 2007 7:56 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lefty
"Prince Fielder Dies Of Inside-The-Park Homerun" - The Onion

by DTJchris on Oct 31, 2007 8:05 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Absolutely go after Bedard
I read Baltimore's looking for position players...
SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!

by CubFaninCA on Oct 31, 2007 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Living here in DC
and hearing some Baltimore news, I don't hear anything about the O's seriously looking to move him.  He's under contract for two more years.  I think you would have to blow MacPhail away with an offer.  Maybe after next year if they know they will be losing him but there is no reason to trade him now unless it's an offer too good to refuse.

I know a lot of people are bringing him up but I don't see him moving.        

by rlpete on Oct 31, 2007 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting
that 9 of the teams he lists are in the NL.

From that list i'd say his first priority is to be playing for a contender, and he likes the idea of getting an NL gig to boost his numbers.

I'd be delighted to slot him into the Cubs rotation, but would be surprised to see the Red-Sox let him go.

by MadHatterBlues on Oct 31, 2007 6:11 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Schilling is toast if Red Sox want A-Rod
They can't afford both. I'll take Fukudome, Schilling and Aaron Rowand with equal A-Rod $$ and see you in the World Series.

by juanpizzaro on Oct 31, 2007 6:41 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Pass
Baseball ability aside, I think the guy is a blow hard.  I personally cannot stand his outspoken political views and seriously hope the Cubs don't go after him.  There are younger players out there who we could get to help build a potential dynasty.

by BrownE34 on Oct 31, 2007 8:24 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

As someone said above
Schilling would be asmart pickup.  Someone pointed out that the top four didn't miss a game but Marquis proved why he was a crapshoot often this season.  Schill is solid and would be a nice addition.  Would  rather get a powerful RF?  Yes.  

I on the other hand, do not think that SS is such a glaring need.  Fukudome and Schilling or Bedard would be great.  

Heck, since this is fantasy baseball, I still want Crawford.

MMMMM...Fernandos fajitas and margaritas

by Kinky Reggae on Oct 31, 2007 8:30 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

curt
a 10 game winner for 13 mill.no thanks,we already have rich hill.the sox might resign him for the good publicity but who knows. they,re turning into the yankees.and it,s a buisness remember.

by NOMAR on Oct 31, 2007 8:54 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Wins are stupid as a stat for pitchers
His ERA, WHIP, and K/BB are all more impressive than those of most of the Cubs' staff.
ROTHSCHILD!

by Perkins on Oct 31, 2007 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Curt=WS Winner
Bottom line: Curt won the WS for the D-backs and pulled the Red Sox out of their 80 plus years of no world championship.  I'd pay him 10-13 mil for a year just to be our good luck charm.  

That said, I'd love to have Fukudome or Bedard too.  But Curt has won the whole thing and isn't that what we want too?

I want my Macias!

by wombat on Oct 31, 2007 9:08 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I hate Schilling
He is a right wing ego maniac. That said um hell yes. He is a big game pitcher who wants only one year. It might realistically slow the progression of one of the younger pitchers and I for one am a big Sean Marshall fan but  how can you not be interested in the guy ? He might be the one guy with an ego big enough to believe he can personally get the Cubs to a WS and be able to do it. I don't think he will end up as a Cub but no harm in asking

FYI in my other why for  a year dept. Andruw Jones anyone ? He is coming off a DISASTEROUS year. His loveable agent Scott Boras has indicated that he might try to basically " Jeff Weaver" him since there is no way he can get a  decent multi-year deal after this season but if he takes an incentive  laden one year deal and does well he can cash in NEXT year. A one year rent a CF sounds good to me and I am willing to risk that last year was if not a fluke certianly not indictive of his talent.

"It's the Cubbies. There's always a vibe. It's the greatest vibe in baseball." Greg Maddux on Cub fan's optimism even after the 06 debacle.

by jessica on Oct 31, 2007 10:21 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!!!!!!!!!!
Keep the corpse of Andruw Jones away from this ballclub! He will retard the development of our best young player! He will provide worse defense than Jacque Jones! He may well not hit above the Mendoza line!

It would be better to set money ablaze than to give it to that burnt-out husk.

No. Thank. You.

FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Oct 31, 2007 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Worse defense than JJ?
That may be the craziest thing I've read (today)....
n/t

by LT on Oct 31, 2007 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

at a one year deal
id definitely try out andruw jones, if we could sneak pie into right field in this scenario i would be very happy.  
Kevin Hart Watch: IP: 11 K: 13 ERA: 0.82 WHIP: 1.00 K/BB: 3.25 a productive farm system is a wonderful thing.

by kylejo on Oct 31, 2007 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My prediction.....
Geoff Jenkins will be a Cub.

by Peoria Matt on Oct 31, 2007 4:48 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Ugh.
I hope not.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Oct 31, 2007 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm pretty confident...
 that he's at least a fallback guy.

by Damen Jackson on Oct 31, 2007 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

15 or so reasons why Schilling makes sense.
Here's how:
Level 1--
  1. He'll fit the "budget"
  2. He'll be NO WORSE than the third best pitcher, probably the second best
  3. He only wants a one year deal
Level 2--
On 1)
  a) If they traded Jones and Dempster, he might not cost more than a few million.
  b) If they didn't, with Floyd, Monroe and Kendall gone, he's still not costing that much.
  c) There would undoubtedly be more Schilling merchandise sold than whatever pitcher he replaced.
  d) He would probably take a deal worth incentives (although not a large part of it).
  e) He is known to have a little ego meaning that he might take a lesser deal by a mil or so to come to the Cubs. (note I said "might")
On 2)
  a) He wouldn't be replacing Lilly, he'd be replacing Marquis or Marshall, who he will DEFINITELY be better than.'
  b) He doesn't walk people which would be huge for this team.
  c) He will be hurt for 5-10 starts meaning Gallagher or Hart or whomever will get their "prep starts" for 2009.
  d) In the recent playoff format, having a top-heavy rotation is a damn good thing. Zambrano, Schilling, Lilly, Hill is far better than having Marquis pitch or Zambrano pitching on short rest.
On 3)
  a) He won't impede the progress of guys who would almost certainly be ready for the rotation in 2009-2010 (if at all) like Gallagher, Holliman, Huseby, Pawelek, etc.
  b) The new owner will not be stuck with the contract. Any money they do pay would almost certainly be made up in the money they get by making the playoffs and making a deeper run.

The ONLY way this doesn't work is if Schilling doesn't finish the season because of injury or falls apart completely or you can't trade Marshall or Marquis mid-season FOR ANYTHING, at which point, it just becomes a loss of money. And who the hell are WE to care about THAT?

BTW... No. 1) assumes a bad knowledge of the payroll and budget. And if he is being offered a 2-year deal, I'm more hesitant.

by tyger1147 on Oct 31, 2007 6:34 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I like Schillng
I like Schilling but didn't he miss quite a bit of time this year and isn't he just getting older?

He's been around a long time and has extra mileage on him because of postseasons.

5 years ago I would have signed him.

Heck I'm not even saying no completely.  No to 13 million though.

by cubstoseriesby100 on Oct 31, 2007 6:50 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Forget it
Throw me in with many others, I'll pass on Schilling. Actually the Cubs I believe will have good starting pitching depth with their current roster. Focus on the outfield boys.
"You can't take life to seriously, you don't get out of it alive"

by wild bill on Nov 1, 2007 3:06 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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