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Proof that scouting means everything.

What a disgrace. I'm curious what else is left to show how utterly out-franchised the Cubs were these past two games. Does anyone think it was an accident that the D-Backs knew everything Teddy was throwing last night? Or that they knew exactly how to pitch to our sluggers? Incredible to see them up there AB after AB just guessing at what they might see. I've never seen hitters more unprepared in my entire life.

 I'm glad they got their ass kicked. Maybe a little shaming will convince them to enter a playoff game prepared.

 And why is suckass ex-GM Ed Lynch an advance scout again?

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WTF are you talking about
if you watched the game, it was easy to see what the problem was.  Lilly was overthrowing everyone of his pitches and had very little command of anything.

Maybe the expectations and pressure got to him a bit, I don't know, but he did not execute his pitches, plain and simple.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Oct 5, 2007 6:45 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Correct...
n/t
"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"

by HIGGY on Oct 5, 2007 7:13 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Blame game, a phantom exercise
Ever play at a real competitive level? You get juiced...some can control it others have to channel it while others are consumed by it.

Confidence and anxiety are real. Baseball is as mental a sport as golf. Lilly I could tell the second fast ball that went over the lead off hitters head was not over throwing. In fact his HR pitch to the rookie as telegraphed because he ramped up his delivery and overthrew...

This team is pressing and has been since the StL series. They feel our pain which is counterdestructive. They want to win badly, while the DBacks and Rockies are playing loose and for fun. Look who hit the first HR for the Cubs a rookie.

A big rally and a good performance by a young player like Hill and the Cubs will win a game and then wake up to do it again.

Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."

by Ivy Walls on Oct 5, 2007 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree
n/t
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by Imtrejo on Oct 5, 2007 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Scouting?
I agree with the sentiments from MPH73 above.  Lilly had his collar buttoned a little too tight and choked.  It almost makes you wish Hart had started, though he had some control issues too.  It's an old story for Cub's fans and frustrating to see when your pitchers continue to pitch from behind in the count, while the opposition seems to continually be ahead in the count when they pitch.

Scouting ain't gonna help that situation!  The "book" to pitch the big 3 is probably in its 4th printing by now, so there are no big secrets on where to spot the ball for Alf-Lee-ARam.  The few mistake pitches they did get they were not able to convert to hits.  

When Cruz came in last night it should have been the time for Soriano to swing at the first pitch, as a reliever wants his first pitch to be a strike.  He ended up throwing a fairly hittable pitch, but Alf check-swinged it foul.  It could have been a different ball game had Alf done a better job, as he didn't get any hittable pitches after the first one.

Scouting cannot cover over the lack of execution the Cubs have displayed the last two nights.  This has been going on all season, where the pitching is good and hitting stinks, or vice versa.  Unless the Cubs can get off the roller coaster and get more consistency, the ride will be stopping soon.

Pie, Fontenot, Theriot and Soto up the middle ... yippie oh, oh, oh!

by SpudV on Oct 5, 2007 7:34 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm confused
I thought it was well understood that phil rogers is an idiot.

by Thelonious on Oct 5, 2007 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe he is
but the comments on scouting come from Bob Melvin and Alfonso Soriano.
Tinker to Evers to Chance.

by Matt Allison on Oct 5, 2007 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love the idea...
... that the Cubs scouting discussion goes along the lines of:

Cubs Slugger - Who's on the mound for the DBacks tonight?
Scout - I dunno. Some guy named Davies. He ain't got sh*t. Now go out and rip him one!
(high five)

by MadHatterBlues on Oct 5, 2007 8:33 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Uh huh
Here's the blurb:

Acting on the advice of their advance scouts, the Arizona Diamondbacks have made stopping Alfonso Soriano their first priority against the Cubs.

"It starts with [Soriano], and a lot of times how he's playing ends up to be how their club plays," Diamondbacks manager Bob Melvin said before the series began.

...

Soriano hadn't gotten beyond first base in his first nine trips to the plate before an error by second baseman Augie Ojeda allowed him to be safe at second in the ninth inning. His first hit was a double he turned into a single by Cadillac-ing out of the box. His second was a grounder up the middle off closer Jose Valverde.

"I think they have a very good scouting report," Soriano said afterward. "They know how to pitch. They're doing a good job."

Was it so much scouting or just lack of execution by Soriano?  Stop Soriano and you stop the Cubs?  Not exactly high-level scouting reports.  I did like the "double turned into a single by Cadillac-ing" mention.  To compound it the announcers on TBS were trying to cover it up by mentioning the quad injury and how he has to "be careful".

If things don't turn around tomorrow he'll have a good long recovery time before he returns to AZ.  I don't want to sound like I'm just bashing Alf, as Lee and ARam having been stinking it up themselves.

Pie, Fontenot, Theriot and Soto up the middle ... yippie oh, oh, oh!

by SpudV on Oct 5, 2007 8:43 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

There's a reason
Lee, Ramirez, and Soriano look lost at the plate: it's because they're lost at the plate.

There's more to an AB in the post-season than grabbing a bat and saying "gosh, sure hope I get lucky with one of my swings."

The Cubs look completely unprepared for these playoffs.

Tinker to Evers to Chance.

by Matt Allison on Oct 5, 2007 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree
At this point in the season, there isn't a lot that teams don't know about other team's players.  The Cubs are losing because of execution not scouting.  

Don't you think that Lilly knows not to throw Young a fastball down the middle of the plate.  Of course he does but he did it anyway.  

by rlpete on Oct 5, 2007 9:14 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

From the article
"Piniella speculated that Lilly was so angry because he had shaken off a sign from Geovany Soto, who initially called for a 3-2 curveball. Lilly was having trouble getting his breaking pitches over the plate and didn't want to risk loading the bases for Stephen Drew, so he shook off for a fastball."

Sitting there in Section 203, I thought, "Well at least Lilly is a veteran and won't give in to Young.  There's no reason to throw him a fastball here.  Give him your best offspeed pitch and then go after the lefty, Drew."

Great minds (mine and Soto's) apparently DO think alike.

The GOOD thing about the game reports on Lilly is that apparently he didn't have--or show--his good curve.  So IF he can pull it together before next Tuesday, and the Cubs get that far, he could still be effective against a team that just whupped him.

Cubs playoff record with me in attendance: 1-1

by zambranofan on Oct 5, 2007 1:46 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

It's all about execution
if the fastball he threw the guy was at the knees instead of the letters, the result would have been a lot different.  There leadoff guy is a lot like Soriano, he has a lot of holes in his swing, but the Cubs pitchers aren't finding them while the Dbacks pitchers are.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Oct 5, 2007 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You are exactly right!
When Cubs pitchers don't have their good command, they can't hit their spots, and as a result the DBacks are looking "dead red" and letting everything else go by.

I am astonded by their plate discipline (taking Cub ptichers deep into counts) and many times not even swinging until the 4th or 5th pitch of the sequence.

Of course our guys are swinging at all the bad pitches and taking the ones right down the middle. Almost like they are jsut guessing up there.

If you think you've seen it all...just wait!

by CubFanSince1970 on Oct 5, 2007 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hate to say it
But we have too many of our better players playing like Phil Mickelson on the 18th hole at the US Open - it's painful to watch.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Oct 5, 2007 11:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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