Open Thread: NLDS Game #3 -- Cubs vs. Diamondbacks, Saturday 10/6, 5:00 CT
by Al Yellon on Oct 6, 2007 11:55 AM CDT
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Must. Win. Today.
There are four teams that have come back from a 0-2 deficit to win a Division Series. One of them was the 1995 Mariners, who finished the regular season with a 17-5 run to win the AL West, then came back against the Yankees after losing the first two games -- on the road. Their manager? Lou Piniella. 1995 was also the only season, before this year, where all four Division Series started 2-0.
Yes, I am well aware that was twelve years ago, and history isn't necessarily a predictor. But if anyone will have his team prepared to win the next three games -- and this Cub team has, as you know, tended to be a very streaky team -- it's Lou.
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Rich Hill faced the Diamondbacks on July 21 at Wrigley Field, gave them only one earned run in six innings, and got a no-decision; the Cubs lost that game when Bob Howry allowed a deciding HR to Stephen Drew. Hill threw great against the Reds a week ago in Cincinnati, giving them only one hit in six shutout innings. He has held all current D'backs to a .220 average in his career (9-for-41); the only current D'back who has homered off him is Eric Byrnes. Tonight, Hill becomes the 8th lefthander to start a postseason game for the Cubs (Ted Lilly, 2007; Steve Trout, 1984; Ray Prim, 1945; Larry French, 1935; Hippo Vaughn, 1918; Lefty Tyler, 1918; and Jack Pfiester, 1906-07-08, are the others).
MLB.com Gameday (2007 version)
MLB.com Gameday (2006 version)
Discuss amongst yourselves.
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How's this: It AN'T OVER, till its OVER
Go Cubs Go
I just want to see a win today. Good old fashion Cubs beat down and make them play tomorrow.
Just stay classy Cubs Fans!!!
they need to show some heart today
Please stop
by puckishcubsfan on Oct 6, 2007 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions
i didn' say they didn't
i wanna
We're in good company.
Why don't we show them all how it's done..?
Go Cubs!
Law of averages says....
Let's Go Get 'Em
The first two games seemed like they didn't really even exist - with the latenight starts and the resulting obscurity (and I'm talking to you, TBS), it's no wonder they didn't seem to show up. Games might as well have been in the twilight zone.
Time to wake up and lock in.
That's NO excuse
In obscurity? Both games were sold out, or close to it. (In reality, 48K is too big of a ballpark for the market)
The games were on national TV. The games were on national radio. It's YOUR perception these games were obscure, if you live in the CST or EST. Staying up late to watch baseball might strike you as unusual. These games ran in prime time in two other time zones.
What about the era when TV was scarce? As late at the 1970's, many teams didn't televise but a handful of games, most of them on the road. (The Chicago market was one of the major exceptions)
Did the players 'not show up' in that era? For example, the Dodgers, until the 1980s -- NEVER televised home games.
And, it appears the print media/radio talk shows have had they say about what happened in Arizona Played in obscurity? Put the Devil Rays in that category, not the Cubs.
The Cubs are far from being ignored. There's plenty of attention -- unfortunately, it's for all the wrong reasons.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Oct 6, 2007 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions
It's okay, guys.
it's a good thing the el doesn't have a whistle
by mike @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Oct 6, 2007 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Rich Hill is mighty.
Well, Rich Hill knows that it does. Because every time a tree falls, he is there. And he hears.
Ward
By the way, who will be our long man if we need him?
I was very happy to hear
I like these contra-indicators. The Cubs came into the NLCS as a heavy favorite. Now no one likes them. Good.
Time to MAN UP Cubs and stomp the Snakes. Let's get 'em today!! Score early and often.
The Phillies?
As for the rest, I think that the Yankees have the best chance to win 3 in a row. They have had pretty good success against the Indians this season and have a good deal of experience in the post season. I think that the Cubs have the second best chance, but its mostly a puncher's chance if the offense heats up a great deal very quickly. With the singular exception of Lilly, the Cub pitching has been very good and should continue to be very good for the rest of the series. As the Cubs HAVE to win three, I would also be inclined to "save" Zambrano for a game 5 rematch against Webb. I would have Marquis start but I would also have some of my Bull Pen pitchers warming up before the start of the game and keep him on a very tight leash.
by frustratedfan on Oct 6, 2007 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Kruk is the same ding dong that said
What astute baseball analytical genius. As if the Cubs played the Red Turds 7 days a week.
And while the Cubs destroyed STL the rest of the month, I wonder what ol' Kruky was doing. Turning his wife off, I assume.
Yes, Kruk also said in early July
Is that marathon
The marathon...
Why MLB and TBS insisted on the noon start time, with thousands of people and thousands of spectators clogging north side streets at the same time, is absolutely beyond me. It's idiotic. The race director was quoted as saying "it won't be a problem."
Yes, it will be. If you're going to the game tomorrow, I cannot emphasize this enough, do not attempt to drive. You'll get caught in horrendous traffic jams.
Horrendous Traffic Jams
GO CUBS GO !!!!
What might be weird
one word
Must win,
Today is the day
Today is the day we regain our confidence.
Today is the day we win the first of the rest.
TODAY IS THE DAY IT BEGINS AGAIN!
WE BELIEVE!
key for todays game IMO...
A first-pitch Soriano HR would be awesome
I pray that Rich follows in the footsteps of
G O C U B S ! ! ! !
Hey Al,
Clearly this is the kind of thing that can only
Meant to post this earlier.
Ridiculous. As if we don't know where to find the game on TV?
Ridiculous indeed
Shouldn't it be outside the stadium
I'm shocked it's not a sign for
I mean the spots are funny once or twice, but to see the same 5 inpersonations hundreds of times just associtates Frank TV with lousy memories for 7 teams' fans.
Hopefully it will be for D'back fans and not Cub fans as I hope we have to put up with this crap for three more games and the NLCS after that!
Let's go get 'em, Cubs!!!
It's too bad the Cubs won't sweep the Dbcks
You've got questions, I have answers.
- The signage IS for the TV viewer. I'm sure the CF camera will capture that as much as possible. I'm sure Fox is hoping for 2 games in Chicago. (As is TBS)
- We are hard-core. We will find the games. However, as hard as many will find it hard to believe, not everybody lives and dies with baseball. (Shocking!!) Therefore, this signage -- is aimed at the casual viewer. For today's possible elimination game (and the others)thousands may be tuning in for the very first time. I'd wager these people probably struggled to figure out TBS had the games to begin with. And then, if you want to capture viewers for the Series -- "hey, the games move to Fox." You literally have to spell it out for people. I'm not saying these viewers are stupid -- they are just not really paying attention. This isn't that important to them, it's just another baseball game.
- Repetition. That works in advertising, and promotion. Many of us are watching every game on TBS. Guess what? Us hardcore are in the minority. Therefore we are going to see the promos for "Frank TV" waaaaaaay more times than the average viewer. TBS (and any other advertiser) knows that many 'impressions' have to be left before a message sinks in.
The spots are repetitive to you and I, but the investment that TBS/Fox makes in the games (and the ability to lure viewers to additional programming) makes these messages crucial.
Seems like overkill? That's the point.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Oct 6, 2007 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions
A case to be made for optimism.....
Baseball is a game of averages and streakiness....and if so, there is no reason that this team cannot come back from down 2...tough, yes it will be, but here's few thoughts as to why this team can come back.....
-the very same players that have caused us much frustration (Lee, Ramirez, Soriano) with their poor plate attack, are the same players that in the past have been just as streaky in previous offseasons. In 2003, prior to game 5 of the NLCS, Ramirez had been lights out for the Cubs.....however, was essentially absent the rest of the way. Also, prior to game 6, Derrek Lee had been atrocious for the Marlins.....but who was it that hit the crucial base hit to give the Marlins the 4-3 lead in that dreaded game 6?..that's right Lee. If history is on our side, all of these guys should collectively escape their horrid pace and break out tonight and through the rest of this series anyway....
-regarding the concern of Webb being a dominator of the Cubs a second time, history's really not convincingly on his side. Growing up, it was common for the aces to completely dominate in the entire offseason (Jack Morris, Saberhagen, Gooden and the likes)...you don't see that quite as often now. Not saying Webb would flop if given the second chance, however, again in 2003 look at Josh Beckett, who was lit pretty well in game 1, but came back in game 5 and 7 to be lights out.....or Wood/Prior who were so dominant early only to get hit pretty hard eventually. There are examples both ways on this one and probably just as much evidence to suggest Webb may be just as dominant as he was the first time around, but I can't believe he will be that dominant the second time around. I fully believe Lilly to be much better the second time around as well.......
-breaks, breaks, breaks. The Cubs capitalized on the breaks in 2003 in games 2,3,4, but the Marlins did so in games 1,6, 7. The team that takes advantage of the other teams mistakes and makes the most of the breaks given to them usually wins.....we've seen that in BOTH games this offseason. Even in game 2, the Cubs had a chance to tie that game in the ninth after being given the breaks (Ojeda's error) yet our fastball hitters both struck out on fastballs right down the plate. This has got to change and can change in a heartbeat.
That 2003 series was definitely more depressing than this one.....and is history that probably shouldn't be revisited....however, it was a good reminder to me of a mixed bunch of guys (the Marlins) with an old school manager (like Lou) who didn't quit at all, kept their cool and prevailed. This team is similar to that team with a good mix....It's gotta start tonight with one game at a time....I've not lost complete confidence yet...but its' gotta start now.
Let's get em!
Lou is Shrewd
We could win the next 3 games.
Our bats must wake up of course. Z will HAVE to be excellent tomorrow. I like putting that kind of pressure on him to contain himself. He needs it. And we know Lily can produce after 3 days rest.
For all those who complain about 3 days rest - get over it. That is the way it used to be and many pitchers felt they were better for it. Fergie Jenkins made 50 starts one year for Christ's Sake.
And Kendall is good for Hill.
Let us all pray to the Hitting Gods......
To quote an awful song...
Do not get swept and make a series of it.
Have fun!
What should I do
Im debating if I should watch the game from my apt alone and catch very little detail about the game or go outside Wrigley and soak up the environment but miss most of the game.
by Me and Lou WS 07 on Oct 6, 2007 2:05 PM CDT reply actions
im going to a bar in wrigleyville with friends.
by mike @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Oct 6, 2007 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Go for the environment
My bro-in-law made it to
head to wrigleyville.....
Is anyone
I'm happy the Yankees are losing.
It would be nice
Shouldn't we call for the "Curse of A-Rod?" Of course not. Nobody will. But the damn goat will always be there. Or idiots like Dick Stockton will invent new curses, or rookie wire service writers will say "....If the Cubs can't come back, the Curse of the Billy Goat will prevail."
Actual AP copy from Friday, (a game recap) if you didn't see my earlier post. Wire services are now treating a 'legend' as a 'fact.'
Journalism? Who Cares?
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Oct 6, 2007 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions
If the Cubs continue to .....
They must be patient and make Livian work and square up the ball, kinda like how the DBacks approach their ab's. If not, then this will be the most futile playoff performance by a playoffs team, ever.
hit the ball 2,000 feet?
I would love them too, but
What it means is....
Instead of sitting at home for today's game
Hopefully that's what it takes for a Cubs win!
by nevermind on Oct 6, 2007 3:14 PM CDT reply actions
I hope
What the Cubs need
by Def Kenny T on Oct 6, 2007 3:30 PM CDT reply actions
One at a time.
I have seen this team come back from so many tough errors or bad holes that they have dug for themselves. This is another one of those holes. I just beleive that we will see a strong effort and victory today.
Today they stop digging and climb out of the hole. Every journey begins with a first step.
Game 3 is step one. GO CUBS!!
Lineup
SS Ryan Theriot
1B Derrek Lee
RF Cliff Floyd
3B Aramis Ramirez
2B Mark DeRosa
CF Jacque Jones
C Jason Kendall
P Rich Hill
i dont like floyd at 4
The Badgers lost...
Dan
i would say the same
I think I've mentioned this before
If you are a Packers fan, you'll probably get you want Sunday night, unfortunately.
I was hoping the trifecta wouldn't hit Chicagoland/and the state of Illinois this weekend . But, at least as of now -- we are guaranteed 1 out of 4.
I didn't attend the U of I, but I'm damn glad they are not the doormats of the Big 10.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Oct 6, 2007 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Soto
Let's get this thing turned around. Win today, then you've got Z tomorrow and probably back to Arizona we go.
C'mon!
I was completely dejected
Why not us? Why not today?
GO CUBS GO!!!!
by deutschegirl on Oct 6, 2007 4:23 PM CDT reply actions
Just play for today.
GO CUBS!!!
Going to miss it
Please PLEASE Cubbies! Do it!
Go get 'em, fellas!
Real good sign for the Cubbies
It's UPS. With a box. Hm. I don't remember buying anything recently. I sign and shut the door holding this box. Shake. very light. Is it my birthday? No, not for another month.
And what do I see when I lift the folds back but a Cub hat! THAT'S RIGHT!!! Ofcourse!! I had completely forgotten I had ordered a Cub had 1 month ago!!! ANd it just now comes today, of all days?? How had I forgotten I ordered a Cub hat? Oh that's right, that's about the time I started into Bears mode.
Apparently it got lost and there's a note saying how sorry they are and to call a UPS CSR to find out more information. I've never been so happy to receive a package a month late.
And it's a fitted hat. and it fits perfectly. Oh what a day. The Cubs will not lose today. It's fate.
Rage Against the Machine-
It has to start sometime.
What better place than here?
What better time than now?
All hell can't stop us now!
Go Get 'em Rich! You guys are home now, rake those DBacks over the coals!!!! I am fired up today! Let's go!
Pregame
Ummm...what manager would have ever asked The Big Skirt to -- bunt?
Suddenly, Ripkin takes the bat from his hand and says...uh, nice form, but maybe this would work...."
Ripkin then completely shows a different way to bunt.
Nice 1-upmanship.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Oct 6, 2007 4:48 PM CDT reply actions
Cardiac Cubs Vol III Now On Sale
Bumped into a Cub fan in Wally world this AM ..
"Are they gonna do it today? They gonna make it."
Frankly, I just looked at her and told her "Yes, absolutely. It's the Cardiac Cubs .. they're back home and they are going to keep it exciting to the end."
I'm ready for the real excitement. GO CUBS!
If we can win tonight
Things Not To Do In Postseason
- Not watch Frank TV
- Not get any romantic tips from Avis
Here's hoping for the best
I wonder if anyone on this board was watching the Cubs in that NYC bar in the village (4 years ago) during that postseason. What fun was that (at least in the beginning). What great people. A real sense of simpatico!
Let's go Cubs!
by jerseygirl on Oct 6, 2007 5:01 PM CDT reply actions
I'm already having some freezing...
by JakeH on Oct 6, 2007 5:02 PM CDT reply actions
Anyone in Chicago
Praying for the miracle here ..
Rally caps
by fngoat on Oct 6, 2007 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions
ooooooo ... that's not good ..
We must respond. I look forward to a SOriano response
As I've said earlier
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Oct 6, 2007 5:09 PM CDT reply actions
And know you know
Every freakin' game.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Oct 6, 2007 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions
at least Pink Hat Guy is in there ..
The weight of history
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Oct 6, 2007 5:11 PM CDT reply actions
In the words of Massa Ford
It's time the Cubs start writing their own.
LET'S GO CUBS
there you go Rich .. keep it up baby
He's cooking now.
I can't believe
by JakeH on Oct 6, 2007 5:16 PM CDT reply actions
think soriano gets booed in the first
could get ugly this evening.
It's because their staff
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Oct 6, 2007 5:18 PM CDT reply actions
it's only the first inning...
about as bad a start as i can imagine.
not sure I'm against hitting Augie
bullpen action
by JakeH on Oct 6, 2007 5:21 PM CDT reply actions
It's safe to say that...
9 innings to play
by drewishdrewid on Oct 6, 2007 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Really?
by Not Bruce Froemming on Oct 6, 2007 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Could get ugly?
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Oct 6, 2007 5:24 PM CDT reply actions
i'm talking about
Dust Z off .. Right Now, Lou .. Dust Him off
ei yi yi
Just our luck
Good start Fonz!
Leadoff Walk
Ah, crap.
I'll see you guys later.
remember
by CZ38 on Oct 6, 2007 5:30 PM CDT reply actions
Ahhhhh
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Oct 6, 2007 5:31 PM CDT reply actions
lou should have had the hit and run on in that
It doesn't
Relax.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Oct 6, 2007 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions
It doesn't?
No, I don't
Did you watch the Indians-Yankees game last night? Cleveland wasted A BUNCH of chances last night before they finally cashed in.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Oct 6, 2007 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions
I disagree
by Not Bruce Froemming on Oct 6, 2007 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions
You could have seen
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Oct 6, 2007 5:33 PM CDT reply actions
How good a pitch was it
by Not Bruce Froemming on Oct 6, 2007 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Borderline
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Oct 6, 2007 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Wow...
notice they don't put
Freakin' umps...
I did notice that in all of the TBS
Must be part of the contract that they signed with MLB. The umps must have asked for that as part of the deal.
What a poooosey..
whats arams
by CZ38 on Oct 6, 2007 5:36 PM CDT reply actions
Well...
right.
now you yell at them for NOT swinging.
You sure do want it both ways, don't you. Sheesh.
At least two of those called strikes were balls. The UMP is screwing us so far.
Agreed
by Not Bruce Froemming on Oct 6, 2007 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Ump screwing us?
They were close enough..
That's kind of asinine
by RightFieldSucks on Oct 6, 2007 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, the ump has
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Oct 6, 2007 5:39 PM CDT reply actions
well Livan Hernandez doesn't look sharp
the umpire miscalled the pitches
He did.
Losers decide the game is over in the top of the first inning. Why put yourself through this? Turn the game off, go swimming or something.
by drewishdrewid on Oct 6, 2007 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions
I saw that
by drewishdrewid on Oct 6, 2007 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Cubs batting averages so far
Theriot .200
Lee .333
Floyd .000
Ramirez .000
DeRosa .200
Jones .200
drew is killing us.
how did TBS's strike zone say that
Doesn't matter, the call was right...but the "computer" seems wierd.
Here's the Dbacks BA so far this series
Drew .545
Byrnes .125
Jackson .000
Reynolds .333
Upton .667
Ojeda .571
See my post above for the Cubs BA.
Pretty unreal, huh?
the longer we can keep this series
Law of averages.
We just need to keep it going. One day at a time!
GO CUBS...please!!
Law Of Averages
If there WAS a law of averages, the Cubs would have won a few World Championships over the last -- 100 YEARS?
Law of AVERAGES?
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Oct 6, 2007 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions
I am only talking about a
I think he just reminded himself!
by drewishdrewid on Oct 6, 2007 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions
so...
bruins?
by dkowal22 on Oct 6, 2007 5:49 PM CDT reply actions
someone needs to remind Augie Ojeda
Torii Hunter maybe?
that would be sick, but unlikely
by RightFieldSucks on Oct 6, 2007 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
by fngoat on Oct 6, 2007 5:53 PM CDT reply actions
Hill, obviously
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Oct 6, 2007 5:53 PM CDT reply actions
GOD DAMMIT SORIANO
Calm down.
Id hope for the best if this was game 1
now I do wish my jeans could do that ..
"Looking bleak"?
If it's still that way in the ninth, maybe, just maybe, you might be right.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Oct 6, 2007 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions
no, it's certainly looking bleak.
And the Angels as well
I think he was talking about this game, however.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Oct 6, 2007 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions
So, shall we start the conspiracy theories?
Conspiracy theories...
Baseball IQ
Swinging at bad pitches, off the plate on 2-0, 3-1 counts is idiotic.
GAAWWWWDDDD!!
So much talent, squandered by stupidity.
As I said .. dust off Z .. Right NOW .
funny how the dbacks swing at the first pitch
We should be at least tied by now .. BUT ..
COME ON .. STOP THEM NOW
I don't understand why Sori just stood there.
probably the quad issue ..
.. Soriano better start hitting a darn sight better next inning.
Torrii Hunter? Anyone? Anyone?
I don't think Hunter wants to play for the Cubs
by Not Bruce Froemming on Oct 6, 2007 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions
They just seem flat
How about
Is this your first game?
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Oct 6, 2007 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Replying to the wrong person
Might as well...
Probably just as likely to reach base.
The lineup for last SATURDAY
JOCK jones
by CZ38 on Oct 6, 2007 6:07 PM CDT reply actions
Augie
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Oct 6, 2007 6:07 PM CDT reply actions
yeahh
by CZ38 on Oct 6, 2007 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Gotta score this inning
Anyone know if Mike Murphy from WCSR
Why not
Nails on a chalkboard
by Not Bruce Froemming on Oct 6, 2007 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Because that's usually a hitter's pitch
by Not Bruce Froemming on Oct 6, 2007 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions
theriot
by CZ38 on Oct 6, 2007 6:11 PM CDT reply actions
It's nice....
by OmegaMaxx on Oct 6, 2007 6:12 PM CDT reply actions
Livan
by OmegaMaxx on Oct 6, 2007 6:13 PM CDT reply actions
wow! A ball?
Wow...
by OmegaMaxx on Oct 6, 2007 6:14 PM CDT reply actions
MAJOR REDEMPTION TIME
1st and 2nd - 1 out AGAIN!
We've been clogging the bases.
Dear Cubs,
- All Cub fans :D
by OmegaMaxx on Oct 6, 2007 6:16 PM CDT reply actions
aram
by CZ38 on Oct 6, 2007 6:18 PM CDT reply actions
no more than one
by drewishdrewid on Oct 6, 2007 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions
some good news
I am beginning to sweat a little.
WHY does ARam keep fishing on outside pitches?? WHY WHY WHY.
Hm...
by OmegaMaxx on Oct 6, 2007 6:19 PM CDT reply actions
Anyone else having problems
Going to assume
Rather than 3 ours per inning meaning you can only hit into 2 once per inning.
theoretically, WRONG.
there is no theoretical maximum, because with extra innings the game could theoretically go on forever. however, there would be a maximum of one double play per team per inning. so for a 9-inning game, the maximum per team would be nine double plays. can't have more than one in an inning.
What a waste of $50 million......
ARAM is a massive hole of suck
Surely we have to come up with
I'm not just worried about A-Ram
by OmegaMaxx on Oct 6, 2007 6:21 PM CDT reply actions
aram
by CZ38 on Oct 6, 2007 6:21 PM CDT reply actions
LOB 2
Nobody last Saturday night in Cincy imagined this
I cannot believe this is happening
now I gotta think
now LOU
by CZ38 on Oct 6, 2007 6:23 PM CDT reply actions
This is embarassing
by OmegaMaxx on Oct 6, 2007 6:24 PM CDT reply actions
Hill just didn't have it tonight
This game is now in the hands of our esteemed bullpen.
problem with that JF ..
And precious little has been seen of them since last Saturday night.
Oh, maaannnnnnnn
Floyd..
by OmegaMaxx on Oct 6, 2007 6:26 PM CDT reply actions
Livian Hernandez
Has a triple play ever been hit
Worst playoff perf. ever
It happens but I gotta believe the G1 loss and 2nd guessing kinda did them in as far as momentum....Ariz was young and hungry and very opportunistic; Cubs were more experienced but overanxious and played dumb esp. with AB's swinging at horrible pitches in G2 all night.
Beginning to think they'll never get there w/o more disciplined hitters...a new hitting coach might be the first step.
by writerinwrigley on Oct 6, 2007 6:28 PM CDT reply actions
D- Backs..
by OmegaMaxx on Oct 6, 2007 6:29 PM CDT reply actions
He looked safe to me
He was out!
by anriley on Oct 6, 2007 6:34 PM CDT reply actions
So how about them Bulls?
3-0
by CZ38 on Oct 6, 2007 6:35 PM CDT reply actions
Only way that was an out
I've resigned myself
Safe....
by conorj on Oct 6, 2007 6:36 PM CDT reply actions
Whew
by OmegaMaxx on Oct 6, 2007 6:36 PM CDT reply actions
It just gets
I can always hear the crowd from my apartment; the only time I've heard them tonight after the first pitch was to scream about that questionable DP.
maybe that close play
maybe anger will do it???
Pitchers aren't doing a bad job
They gave up 3 runs
by Bricks and Ivy on Oct 6, 2007 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Yep
by RightFieldSucks on Oct 6, 2007 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions
So...
by OmegaMaxx on Oct 6, 2007 6:39 PM CDT reply actions
soto will start at Catcher, Lou as already said
Derosa had to make a bette rplay there
I was hoping...
No clutch hitting.
They only have a few more innings to do some damage against this guy, before the DBacks shut it down with their pen.
by Hugest Canadian Cubs Fan on Oct 6, 2007 6:39 PM CDT reply actions
3 runs in 4 innings
why
nice hit DeRO
by CZ38 on Oct 6, 2007 6:39 PM CDT reply actions
I'd love to be in Chicago now
nice!
Gotta keep up this momentum....
by OmegaMaxx on Oct 6, 2007 6:43 PM CDT reply actions
Time for Soriano
by OmegaMaxx on Oct 6, 2007 6:46 PM CDT reply actions
CHOKE ARTIST
Soriano,
Well, we got it started though let's build on it in the next one and don't let them extend!
It's time for Soriano's replacement...
by OmegaMaxx on Oct 6, 2007 6:49 PM CDT reply actions
Baseball Almanac
Rodriquez...err Ramirez
I'd much rather listen..
by OmegaMaxx on Oct 6, 2007 6:53 PM CDT reply actions
Heck..
by OmegaMaxx on Oct 6, 2007 6:54 PM CDT reply actions
Wondering...
yeah, but is brenly even a cub fan?
we had to get more than one
I really hope I don't have to see
This is hard to watch...
Nothings coming easy for the Cubs, but there's
It's err-OR
by conorj on Oct 6, 2007 7:00 PM CDT reply actions
OH GOD
Wow...
Its hard to watch for Cubs fans and it wasn't his damn fault, screw you TBS.
uhh
by RightFieldSucks on Oct 6, 2007 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Let's please not get into this.
one interfered with foul ball
by drewishdrewid on Oct 6, 2007 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Ugh..
Ugh.
DId anybody else just see DeLee's stats
by Def Kenny T on Oct 6, 2007 7:07 PM CDT reply actions
I sincerely hope
by drewishdrewid on Oct 6, 2007 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions
will aram choke
by CZ38 on Oct 6, 2007 7:12 PM CDT reply actions
breakout opportunity 3 for ramirez
let's put up a crooked # on this guy!!
Livon sells cartoon balloons in town
His family business thrives
ARam blows up balloons all day
Sits on the porch swing watching them fly
And ARam, he wants to go to the NLCS
Leaving Livon far behind
Take a balloon and go sailing
While Livon, Livon slowly dies
aram didnt
by CZ38 on Oct 6, 2007 7:15 PM CDT reply actions
D=Ro with worst possible
by writerinwrigley on Oct 6, 2007 7:18 PM CDT reply actions
unreal. ball four. this is hell.
That was ball four!
can u believe this shyt
by CZ38 on Oct 6, 2007 7:19 PM CDT reply actions
are you fucking kidding me??????
by Bricks and Ivy on Oct 6, 2007 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions
FUCK!!
Gawd
by OmegaMaxx on Oct 6, 2007 7:20 PM CDT reply actions
oh, that one that went to florida?
still, this season is a success. i'm much more satisfied than i was last year. we need to dominate the central for four or five years. if you want a world series, the way to do it is by getting to the playoffs every year.
lots of work to do this off season. let's get better.
even if we scored
by OmegaMaxx on Oct 6, 2007 7:22 PM CDT reply actions
I bet Augie's laughing his tail off
after he walked three guys, I don't
3-1 has been awful for us all night, but I am sure the hitters aren't aware of that. Haven't all the DPs come on 3-1? UGH.
Hernandez makes the pitches when he needs to...
We need to turn this RISP hitting around, FAST!
Do you own this site?
Your sense of decency is well taken
He's not acting like a high school monitor
not exactly...
taht is fine, but i cant be glad
That is exactly my point
Calling someone a f----- is not a viewpoint
I appreciate that.
thanks for understanding
yeesh, just rereading my comments
Why don't you
If you choose to not, that's fine for you.
YES!
WHAT WERE WE THINKING?
You're a freakin' moron, you know that?
by drewishdrewid on Oct 6, 2007 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions
28 LOB
by JakeH on Oct 6, 2007 7:25 PM CDT reply actions
I want
by NL doormat on Oct 6, 2007 7:27 PM CDT reply actions
This is so bad
by OmegaMaxx on Oct 6, 2007 7:28 PM CDT reply actions
i hope
by CZ38 on Oct 6, 2007 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions
It'll be the bottom of the 9th...
by OmegaMaxx on Oct 6, 2007 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions
another expansion team about to win their
What title are they winning?
I know that
they have a good chance.
IT AINT OVER TILL ITS OVER
Was the astrologer looking a trash can?
by OmegaMaxx on Oct 6, 2007 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions
I can't even call you by your name on here...
Christ, get over yourself
by RightFieldSucks on Oct 6, 2007 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Unbelievable how AZ does it.
Ladies and Gentleman...
Oh, and thank you for filling the coffers for the suits at the Tribune Co., they are very appreciative.
If the new owner next year does not make major changes to the way this club is organized and runs it's baseball organization, then I'm done.
Thank you for playing, we have some parting gifts for you outside...
by Ken Hubbs on Oct 6, 2007 7:31 PM CDT reply actions
good riddens
by Bricks and Ivy on Oct 6, 2007 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Hey look pal...
by Ken Hubbs on Oct 6, 2007 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions
what are you talking about?
this year, we won the division. that's certainly success. let's win the division next year and take another shot. next goal: secure home field advantage.
oh, and got to change the approach at the plate. i think a new hitting coach is in order.
hopefully, this is year one of a braves like run.
I guess I don't understand
What do you change about the team? Seriously, it's a real question, what do you change?
by drewishdrewid on Oct 6, 2007 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions
put a hit out on soriano
by RightFieldSucks on Oct 6, 2007 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions
change the approach at the plate
I agree
But I get the feeling that some people want wholesale change from the top down; I'm wondering what that is. Dump Z? Sori? ARAM? Lee?
by drewishdrewid on Oct 6, 2007 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions
drewishdrewid, here is my suggestions...
- Fire Jim Hendry, then look for a General Manager that can see and judge talent that will fit with our club.
- Tell Lou that he is going to have to replace Rothschild and whoever the hitting coach is (I really don't know the guys name, I guess that says something right there. He's been missing as have our hitters), and hire men who can teach.
- Hire the best scouts you can find, even from other organizations. Offer them more money, offer them an opportunity to restore a historic franchise back to dignity. Then let them have free reign to sign guys without intererence from the suits.
- If Lou will not go along with these changes, then tell him it was a good job he did, but not good enough for us. Then go hire Joe Giradi.
by Ken Hubbs on Oct 6, 2007 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Can't make huge changes.
A-Ram and Lee are much quieter. I think that too many of those types are suicide for a team.
Of course, I would NOT trade A-Ram unless there were a spectacular player in return - for instance, as part of a major deal for Alex Rodriguez.
The primary thing that Hendry must do is acquire a power-hitting right fielder. Cliffy did what he could this year, but it is the end of the line.
I'd re-up Kerry Wood and consider him for 9th inning duty, and I'd try to sign Mark Prior before arbitration, to a 1 year deal at a raise from his 2007 salary, with a team option for 2009 at, say, $8M. Prior should enter 2008 as the 6th starter. I find it difficult to believe that he cannot outperform Jason Marquis. In either case, the loser of this rotation battle should be moved at the 2008 ASB.
If possible, acquire a platoon partner for Felix Pie in CF, and acquire another LOOGY. But those things can be addressed later.
No major changes - this team needs to get into the "Boston" mindset. We're going to lose playoff series, but goddamn it, we're going to contend for the playoffs every year, because this is an unfair system and we have the most money.
by ClosingTime on Oct 7, 2007 12:09 AM CDT up reply actions
soriano should not be leading off,
i also think the cubs need to revamp their scouting/preparation/advance work--they always seem to have a poor approach, especially against junkballers. so, new video guy, new hitting coach. something.
strengthen the pen. try to find some young arms or at least some reliable arms (not trachsel) for the rotation.
You really don't get it do you?
I understand plenty
Whatever.
by drewishdrewid on Oct 6, 2007 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions
This is why
I kinda want Lou to blow up...
by OmegaMaxx on Oct 6, 2007 7:34 PM CDT reply actions
1-2-3 go the Cubs
This team doesn't have what it takes. We need to thank Milwaukee for collapsing and giving us a one week extension. Actually, only six days.
Season's over. :(
I dont think they expected.....
by RightFieldSucks on Oct 6, 2007 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Why didn't they?
pie
by CZ38 on Oct 6, 2007 7:36 PM CDT reply actions
you may want to blow the Cubs up
justing upton
by CZ38 on Oct 6, 2007 7:38 PM CDT reply actions
So, any ideas
by OmegaMaxx on Oct 6, 2007 7:39 PM CDT reply actions
yeah
by CZ38 on Oct 6, 2007 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions
A Double Play. Wow. Imagine that
1 run of Livian is incredible
too scared?
I think worst to first in the division is an accomplishment that is not washed away by a bad post-season. If the Yankees get swept by the Indians, does that somehow reduce their achivements? Or the Phillies, who had a thrilling end of the season?
I don't.
by drewishdrewid on Oct 6, 2007 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions
normally i would agree
Sad to see Pie flail away like that ..
About the only asset he's had going for him is speed. Mrs Cubnational and I were in the stands in Atlanta in April when he was starting and watched him leg out a triple. I stood there mouth agape as he flew around the bases.
Now if only he would HIT to support that !!!
Running out of time...
by JakeH on Oct 6, 2007 7:43 PM CDT reply actions
I think my adrenal glands have finally failed
And 8 more nails remain for the coffin.
BOO
by CZ38 on Oct 6, 2007 7:44 PM CDT reply actions
GAWD
well a full count .. what happens next?
wow .. a hit by Ryan Theriot.
START THE RIOT!
what
by CZ38 on Oct 6, 2007 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Let's see what DLee will do for we
The yells in the stadium seem subdued now ..
we all would have been rich
eerie
by RightFieldSucks on Oct 6, 2007 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Four Double Plays.
if i was lou, i'd have the hit and run
he did it in the 5th or 6th
double play
by CZ38 on Oct 6, 2007 7:49 PM CDT reply actions
Terrible...
Do you think the Cubs understand why they are being booed? I heard a while back that a lot of the players don't like the fans, I'm sure that booing has something to do with that. Now, I am certainly no proponent of booing, but with play like this, I totally understand it. Do they?
No, TONIGHT, right NOW ..
The Cubs have just laid down and played dead.
Dead.
DEAD.
And you wouldn't have begun to BELIEVE this could EVER happen just ONE FREAKING week ago, when the euphoria by the Cub Nation made Cincy float on the clouds.
Man, does This hurt ..
Just to clarify...
I condone trash throwing
uh...you condone trash throwing
Zambrano
in April.
Well Ernie, we may not be playing 2 this weekend
Terrible
by NL doormat on Oct 6, 2007 7:52 PM CDT reply actions
euthanasia is the only answer....
DP
by NL doormat on Oct 6, 2007 7:57 PM CDT reply actions
Misery loves company
well, there's 6 more outs Cub Nation
The pattern of the first two games is being repeated in the third. The Baby Backs are nibbling us to death and we are not not not answering them. Whodathunk?
This be it.
Prediction
Can't play under pressure...
That being said, you can't call the Cubs season a failure. They went from last to first. How can you be disappointed in that? Nobody picked them to get even this far! Congratulations to Lou for a fine season!
D-back more hungry because...
They play baseball like they enjoy it.
by ClosingTime on Oct 7, 2007 12:11 AM CDT up reply actions
You don't think...
frankly I think that we have quite a bit to look forward to next year, and I much rather look forward to next year and be happy instead of worrying about needing to overhaul the team (again)
by BlueDWarrior on Oct 7, 2007 12:15 AM CDT up reply actions
well, baseball prospectus did
That is the problem
People who are satisfied with this season are the reason that this franchise continues to accept bad baseball.
by TheRiot Police on Oct 6, 2007 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't understand this attitude
Secondly, baseball is a long-term sport. Greg Maddux is STILL pitching, for example. Look at Cal Ripkin. You bring players up through the minors, and groom them for the show. To go up 16 games in one season is a pretty big deal.
Thirdly, this team is definitely not the same team it was in 2003 or 1998 or any other season. This team has good experience, and good youth. But you cannot blame this team for the 99 year streak.
Lastly, baseball is a game of streaks and luck. No doubt we all agree that this series has been bad luck for us. Some of it has definitely been bad play, some of it, tho, really has been luck.
Sometimes, it just doesn't happen.
If they can keep this going next year, they're in a MUCH better situation going into the post season.
I wanted to win as much as you, I'm sure. I'm sad that it looks like they're not going to. But there is -always- next year.
by drewishdrewid on Oct 6, 2007 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions
look at those
by CZ38 on Oct 6, 2007 8:00 PM CDT reply actions
at least I got a Jason Kendall foul ball
oh yeah, we lost that game to the Mets FYI
at least we'll get 2 see Valverde roar
Soriano Clutch Performer for September
This is the right place to confess this sin ..
It has been on my right wrist since then.
Tonight, my right wrist might finally get a break ..
Why give up only after one year?
lol....douche
by RightFieldSucks on Oct 6, 2007 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah, I was a pot head/skater kid
What are.............
hey floyd
by CZ38 on Oct 6, 2007 8:02 PM CDT reply actions
Focus On Your Priorities!
JP
thats weird
by CZ38 on Oct 6, 2007 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions
where are the beer bottles?
i dont know about yall
by CZ38 on Oct 6, 2007 8:04 PM CDT reply actions
The boos sound different tonight...
i would drown my sorrows in the arms of my wife
Release me from this tainted orb ..
One positive point about the night
by JakeH on Oct 6, 2007 8:06 PM CDT reply actions
Wow .. the biggest hit tonight ..
JACQUE JONES.
Let that sink in a while.
I guess........
and I lost a 1/2 day of work trying to bid
same here
by JakeH on Oct 6, 2007 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah but the Cubs lead in the most
Cubs rule!!!!!!!
Well, the Cardiac Cubs are starting it again ..
Base hit by Mark promptly smothered by a routine pop fly.
I'd say we're beyond the episode phase.
We are in full cardiac arrest and the defib is four floors down.
Fans meet the 08 Cubs
Zambrano, Lilly, Hill, Marquis, and Marshall..
Do you think next season will be any different...probably not
See ya in 09
Actually the eternal optimists in the other thread
Ashamed
well .. one last hurrah ..
What a perfectly surreal, bittersweet way to end the bullpen's misfiring this year.
Let's go Kerry, give us one last chance to cheer
Kerry? I said US NOT THEM
As Darth Vader saith ..
All right...
ha, that ball hit him.
Well, I am glad I do have a life outside the Cubs
EXCEPTION CLAUSE:
.. Of course, the Cardiac Cubs could stage the greatest comeback in recent memory in the bottom of the inning. My great tolerance to pain would arouse me enough to come back to the TV tommorrow, God willing.
That would be swell.
But I'm not holding my breath.
I had to turn off the radio
by deutschegirl on Oct 6, 2007 8:17 PM CDT reply actions
just lost respect...
hey probably Melvin is Negative like us
that was what i predicted
by RightFieldSucks on Oct 6, 2007 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions
it would be more fitting if the catcher catches
Shake it up Jimbo
by writerinwrigley on Oct 6, 2007 8:18 PM CDT reply actions
Well
Yeah....can't wait for more of this crap
by TheRiot Police on Oct 6, 2007 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions
i dnt even wanna turn on
next year we dont even make the playoffs
by CZ38 on Oct 6, 2007 8:20 PM CDT reply actions
very true..
why
You really see the Brewers doing it with Yost? Or the current Cardinals?
by drewishdrewid on Oct 6, 2007 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Well..
-----------------------------------------------
That is a million dollar question asked by every cub fan after every disaster of a season. I can go on and on giving 100 reasons but for now I am just going to allow you to come up an answer and pass that on to whoever is going to own the cubs after that season so that we won't spend another ^century^ loosing.
typos
- come up *with an answer
- after *this season
Ron is gonna lose it..
by JakeH on Oct 6, 2007 8:20 PM CDT reply actions
The helicopters are circling the neighborhood...
3 to go.
Embarassing...
by manny k on Oct 6, 2007 8:24 PM CDT reply actions
Looks like the umps...
by JakeH on Oct 6, 2007 8:26 PM CDT reply actions
the guy
insane.
by drewishdrewid on Oct 6, 2007 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm completely miffed...
I'm only slightly less depressed as I was in '84 when I was 8.
by jerseygirl on Oct 6, 2007 8:27 PM CDT reply actions
Pink Hat Guy is gone .. when did he leave?
Sad
by Techstar on Oct 6, 2007 8:28 PM CDT reply actions
who called this situation
by JakeH on Oct 6, 2007 8:29 PM CDT reply actions
0-2 .. Soriano ..
This almost seems worse
not even for an inning.
God.
I didn't really think they'd win today, but I didn't think they'd lose in the first inning.
Or give up in the first gdamn inning.
by jerseygirl on Oct 6, 2007 8:29 PM CDT reply actions
at least it's not the Marlins........
I'm becoming a bitter fan
Before they said Red Sox fans (before '04) were bitter and Cubs fans were still hopeful.
Maybe if we become bitter and miserable
then we'll finally win a series like them?
by jerseygirl on Oct 6, 2007 8:31 PM CDT reply actions
in a couple of years
by CZ38 on Oct 6, 2007 8:32 PM CDT reply actions
Let me be the first to say it ..
Well at any rate...
There will be no help
Got to hope that Soto and Marmol make the difference although the lack of clutch hitting and changing their approaches at the plate probably will not change next year.
by TheRiot Police on Oct 6, 2007 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Red Sox....
I feel so stupid...
I was relieved they were playing Arizona.
by jerseygirl on Oct 6, 2007 8:34 PM CDT reply actions
yeahh
by CZ38 on Oct 6, 2007 8:34 PM CDT reply actions
IT'S (never) GONNA HAPPEN
Seriously, people are too kind here...
then things will change????
by jerseygirl on Oct 6, 2007 8:35 PM CDT reply actions
Please save us Cuban!!!!!!
by DannyBoy @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Oct 6, 2007 8:35 PM CDT reply actions
I was sure 100 years will be the one
I also think that 2003 was the Cubs chance and they blew it.......
Hey there, wait a minute
A-Ram and Soriano
I didn't think I liked Cuban,
Thanks everyone!
by jerseygirl on Oct 6, 2007 8:37 PM CDT reply actions
Well....
Brewers will go out and get pitching cause that is what they need.
We won't do a damn thing but drop Dempster from the Closer Spot and start soto as the catcher.
We will still have the same head case pitchers and mental midget hitters.
Hopefully it is different..but I can't see it.
Pitch count?
by fngoat on Oct 6, 2007 8:39 PM CDT reply actions
cue up the Steve Goodman song (the other one)
by jerseygirl on Oct 6, 2007 8:39 PM CDT reply actions
at least Lou is optmistic.......
Lou
by fngoat on Oct 6, 2007 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Lou's not getting pissed
ahh come on
Cubs fans are too complacent...
Agree 100%
by RightFieldSucks on Oct 6, 2007 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions
You know
Maybe if Cuban gets the club
HAH HAH HAHHHHHHHHH
Winning the division
Winning the pennant will be in reach next year.
I don't think that this management or this team wants to lose. They want to win. It can happen.
How
These are the same guys who blew it in 04 and now this year.
I don't believe that they will change their stripes...they just are not smart ballplayers. Good ballplayers...but not smart.
by TheRiot Police on Oct 6, 2007 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions
you get a new hitting coach
you work the fundamentals
you do the job.
How do you think we went from being the bottom of the division to winning in a season?
by drewishdrewid on Oct 6, 2007 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Our Starting Pitching
by TheRiot Police on Oct 6, 2007 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions
uh...
Same core guys
by TheRiot Police on Oct 6, 2007 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions
umm...You think Wood
Oh, and Zambrano threw an absolute Gem in game one and how has he been bad?
So, what's the same team as 04 and 07 again, please?
04
it was Sosa, Alou, Prior, Wood (starter wise), and you could say Zambrano.
COre
by frustratedfan on Oct 6, 2007 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions
im very sad
by CZ38 on Oct 6, 2007 8:43 PM CDT reply actions
Lou should be angry
Now is not the time to do that
There is no doubt in my mind that Piniella new the makeup of this club was flawed, even after he tinkered as much as he could after seeing them for two months. Piniella will want to make 2-3 changes I'm sure. The real question will be can they spend big dollars with the sale pending? I say they probably can't, so I would expect some trades to go down instead.
Knowing successful teams Piniella has had in the past, he probably wants to create more balance on the offense and be in a position to grind out runs when you need them.
eff it
note to Jim: GET A-ROD!
Yeah
If you want to get somebody go get Rowand and send Pie, Marshall and Hart to Minnesota for Santana.
by TheRiot Police on Oct 6, 2007 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions
a-rod sucking in the post season
I only care
by TheRiot Police on Oct 6, 2007 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions
definately
If the past means nothing
dude you are making no sense whatsoever
so A-rod's postseason yesterday means nothing by what your saying so why not get him!!
I was pointing out the contradiction
your missing my entire point
read my next comment
shit
No worries
I agree that the Cubs should
I am not frustrated with the past losing
We just get beat by a team that does not have an AROD type player, the Yankees are on the verge of losing a series in which they have about 8 AROD type players...
The sexy pick is not always the answers.
by TheRiot Police on Oct 6, 2007 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions
lou is proud of his players
by CZ38 on Oct 6, 2007 8:46 PM CDT reply actions
Alert me in 4 or 5 years
At least this time they didn't take it all the way to five outs left for a World Series appearance. They died quickly and relatively painlessly. They were never in any of these games for a moment.
you can FLAME me
DeRosa's failure.
Rich Hill deer in the headlights.
Arimis Ramirez a no-show.
Soriano stunk it up.
Completely OUTPLAYED in every facet of the three games and clearly the D-Backs are a cut above.
With all of the money spent, all of the struggle to get to Post-season, the 2007 could not win ONE game. From "Winners" to "Losers" so quickly.
They must be embarrassed. The support from the fans...breathtaking!
The joint was more jumping then I have ever seen it. Even the NLCS. Evryy pitch for the early innings. OF course Hill had a terrific start! What absolutely amazing fans!
So, as in all the other years in my 50, its "Wait until friggin' next year". One more time.
"America loves a winner, and will not tolerate a loser."
General George S. Patton
See ya in the Spring everybody!
by TheEman on Oct 6, 2007 8:48 PM CDT reply actions
Al
I agree with those who said earlier that the current Cubs are good players, but not smart. Pretty much the same could be said for all the Cub teams of my lifetime - loaded down with guys who won't take walks, who lunge at bad pitches, can't hit in the clutch and can't do simple things like lay down a sacrifice bunt or avoid getting picked off.
why not be optimistic?
Think of it this way
read all my posts
If you didn't care
Ive only been a fan since 1996, and I feel like Ive been bashed and robbed multiple times!
it hurts...I had to endure last season
Thanks for a (mostly) great season
I'd also like to thank Al for his excellent posts all year long. This board is a really great place and I've been here silent, loud, euphoric, angry, drunk, sober and all points in between. It's been a great place, BCB.
And now, I drink.
200?
I'm not expecting a whole lot this off-season.
It might be enough to win the Central but the NL Central is the minor leagues compared to the NL West and NL East. And I fully expect the Brewers to get a lot of pitching in the off season.
about the Brewers
Concur
They get some good pitching and look out.
I just don't think that the Cubs will do enough in the offseason to improve on the team we have now. The only thing that we can hope is that Soto, Hill, and Theriot get better. What we got from Lee, ARAM, and Soriano is about what you can expect next year.
by TheRiot Police on Oct 6, 2007 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions
More Homers != Wins
by TheRiot Police on Oct 6, 2007 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions
i'm not sure the brewers can keep up that pace.
Possible Acquistion the Cubs could get
How great would that be, Cordero closing and Marmol, Howry, and Wood in the bullpen...
soriano
by CZ38 on Oct 6, 2007 8:59 PM CDT reply actions
Soriano
We paid him for his HR's (33 which is not bad considering he was out 4 weeks) and steals (19).
Prediction - his average will slip, HR's go up and steals up.
by mweil on Oct 6, 2007 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions
After getting so close in '03
I just never expected them to play so TIGHT all three games. No energy, bad approaches at the plate, DP balls from here to Gary, Indiana, no power from Sori, Lee and Aram. EVERYONE deserves a share of the blame in this series. Except our man Soto who hit the ONLY HR for the Cubs in teh series.
Very disappointing, but we'll be back at it next April. If the Rockies advance, I hope they beat the living snot out of the DBacks!
by Def Kenny T on Oct 6, 2007 9:02 PM CDT reply actions
What a steaming turd.......
- The 2007 Cubs achieved nothing. I don't want to hear anything about a 19 game improvement. With this payroll in a bad division, the Cubs should not be too proud.
- Livan Hernandez pitched a HORRIBLE game tonight....LIVAN WAS WHO WE THOUGHT HE WAS....AND WE LET HIM OFF THE HOOK! He had no command, and should have been blown off the mound.
- DeRosa may well have been the Cubbie's 2007 MVP. But to ground into a DP on ball 4 in the fifth, when Livan couldn't find home plate with a Garman GPS, was the single most inexcusably dumb play of the year. It deducts 30 points from DeRo's baseball IQ.
- Ramirez may have played the worst 3 games of his life.
- This series quashes the A Rod to the Cubs rumors. WHy would we want ANOTHER overpaid October choker?
- This was 2003 redux. Where do these teams find these low budget studs who we can't get out??
perfect
by CZ38 on Oct 6, 2007 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Very well said..
------------
I agree with all your points.
Exactly.
by Fraggin Judge on Oct 6, 2007 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Hear! Hear!
DeRosa needs his head examined for swinging at ball 4 in that situation. And it doesn't make me feel better to know that a minute before it happened, I predicted out loud to my son that he'd hit into a DP. Too easy.
Nooooooooo
How many years have the Yankees been in the playoffs and lost - it happens. But they win every so often too.
We gotta be consistent and get in the playoffs MOST of the time and then hope we have a few good weeks and catch some breaks.
by mweil on Oct 6, 2007 11:14 PM CDT up reply actions
It's time to start acting like the Red Sox.
That being said, they aren't afraid to make major, major changes. The Cubs need to keep their options open, but always look to improve the ballclub, even if that means trading guys away, eating contracts, or spending huge money on free agents.
It's an unfair system, and we have more money than almost all of our competitors.
by ClosingTime on Oct 7, 2007 12:23 AM CDT up reply actions
Say all you want about Soriano...
This series was a TEAM loss. You can't put this on any one player.
by thing85 on Oct 6, 2007 9:04 PM CDT reply actions
True, but...
Soriano led off because there was no other logical and evident choice. The Cubs need to acquire a fast hitter who gets on base a lot and starts rallies. Then they can move Soriano down to a more productive slot in the lineup, similar to where he hit in Texas for a couple of years.
And you are also right in that the whole team choked (with several rare exceptions). I can't blame any hitter in particular for what happened. I credit Arizona's pitching. And I blame Lilly's and Hill's poor outings.
by Fraggin Judge on Oct 6, 2007 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Say what you want about Lily and Hill.....
I blame this on (in no particular order)....Jones, Lee, Ramierez, Soriano and DeRosa....
You can blame Aramis Ramirez.
Ramirez just put up one of the worst playoff performances in league history. He accounted for 2 more outs than he had plate appearances, struck out in half of his ABs, and probably stranded more runners than the entire D-Backs squad.
He flat-out sucked, at a historical level.
Lee and Soriano sucked too, but not with such panache.
by ClosingTime on Oct 7, 2007 12:25 AM CDT up reply actions
announcers
by cubbie71 on Oct 6, 2007 9:05 PM CDT reply actions
After last season
However to watch this series and particularly todays game, it was gut wrenching to go down without a yelp.
I guess the ownership issue will need to be addressed as soon as possible before we know if we come back a better side.
Is it entirely possible
by Not Bruce Froemming on Oct 6, 2007 9:07 PM CDT reply actions
I think it could be
I guess you need ball players who are so cocky that they don't care.
by TheRiot Police on Oct 6, 2007 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Like
You mean the Yankees' choker?
by Fraggin Judge on Oct 6, 2007 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions
You mean the Yankees MVP...
Besides the Cubs don't have where to play him (Rodríguez is too big to play SS anymore) and will have no money left to pay him. Instead, I would take the opposite approach. Look for hungry, young and inexperienced talent. We just saw it works.
by Fraggin Judge on Oct 6, 2007 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Get your learn on
RiSP, 2 out: .318 .448 .776 1.224
RiSP: .333 .460 .678 1.138
Men On, 2 out: .326 .435 .816 1.251
Men on, less than 2 out: .326 .435 .816 1.251
he's struggled the past two postseasons, but if you think his addition hurts the Cubs, you're wrong.
If the Cubs spend their money on him...
by Fraggin Judge on Oct 6, 2007 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions
LOL...yes
by santoswoodenlegs on Oct 6, 2007 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Unfortunately, this is no fantasy baseball.
by Fraggin Judge on Oct 6, 2007 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions
just another 0fer...
Or we just suck...
by santoswoodenlegs on Oct 6, 2007 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm starting to believe
Anybody who watched this series, saw talented players succumb to pressure and there is no other way to describe it. It reminded me of watching Jean Van Daveld (SP) choke it up on the last hole of the British Open a few years ago.
There is no question there is more pressure here than in most places, and when you have that, it's important to have players that can deal with it.
DUDE .. One answer .. The Red Sox
This red herring about "our checkered past" is bunk. Really. We had NO excuse to cite this year. No black cats, no fan interference, no plane crashes, strikes, lost luggage and all that other BS. However, that didn't stop the Red Sox and guess who's still playing in the postseason?
The Cubs who flew into Cincinatti soared on eagle's wings into historical invisibility. They vanished, man, just up and evaporated. Once that happened, destiny changed. A bunch of doppelgangers flew into Arizona on Monday. Maybe the Brewers left some alien pods in the locker room and the Cubs were collectively absorbed through some ET skullduggery.
Yahweh only knows. There is just no explanation for why this team just suddenly rolled over and died. None.
Frankly, it will be one of the most maddening and puzzling anecdotes of Cub Nation history. At least in 2006 we knew where things stood by June.
This was a NLCS that was stillborn. The cruel irony will forever be just that .. man, we were FLYING last week, warp factor NINE, baby .. and now BANG, we're lost in space, drifting into oblivion ..
(sighing noise off center stage)
Here's how I feel right now ..
Tommorrow, I will feel very much like this ..
But in the end, I will survive. The Nation will also, and we'll keep rooting these guys on
So...
Not to worry....
by santoswoodenlegs on Oct 6, 2007 9:14 PM CDT reply actions
Thanks for one more
Puts a nice bookend to the season.
by TheEman on Oct 6, 2007 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions
one year from now...
A year from now the Cubs will be sweeping the NLDS on the wild card's home field...
We will win the NLCS in 6 games, then the World Series in 6, as well (and b/c the National League finally wins the All Star game, a game 6 clincher will indeed be at Wrigley).
Then on opening day 2009 we will all look out at the sign and see AC000000.
Believe my friends, believe.
And with all that being said... I toast a drink to you all... this year has been fun while it lasted.
Question
by OklahomaCubbie on Oct 6, 2007 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions
BITTERNESS / Next Year and Beyond
Even in this agonizing moment of defeat, blaming Cubs fans, the most LOYAL in all of sports, for the failure of the team to get into and win a W.S. this year and in the past is RIDICULOUS. This absurb theme (and variations thereof) has come up again and again on BCB over the past few days. This old "Blaming the Victim" argument is totally without merit.
The simple reason the Cubs have had a century of futility has been bad ownership, management and players. As spectators, not participants, fans do not play the games and determine the outcomes.
This year the Cubs improved by 19 games over '06 and won the division -- a huge step forward that only a dolt would refuse to recognize. Nonetheless, it is bitterly disappointing that the team was not competitive against the D-Backs. Like everyone else here, I am also extremely tired of waiting for next year -- my patience has reached its limit too. But taking this frustration out by turning on fellow Cub fans, NEVER !!
The big question this off-season is can this team be taken to the 95 win / perennial contender for a championship level next year and beyond. For perspective, the Yankees are appearing in their 13th consecutive postseason this year. The 2007 Cubs made only their 15th postseason appearance -- total -- and just the 5th since last winning the pennant in 1945.
Real progress in 2008 is: 1) consecutive division championships (something the Cubs have never done), 2) winning the NL pennant and then 3) having a crack at finally bringing home a W.S. championship and 4) being in a position to contend this way for the foreseeable future.
Win or Lose -- I was, am, and always will be a Cub fan. I trust all of you feel the same way. GO CUBS GO !!!!
I am happy that
Still a lot of work to be done to get this team over the hump and playing smart, fundamental baseball. I IMO this is the biggest downfall of the Cubs. The D Backs win as a team, no big bopper in the 4 or 5 hole per se, but they do the right things at the right time to win ballgames. Until the Cubs AS A TEAM learn to hit situationally and get PRODUCTIVE outs, it will be the same next year, if not worse.
The Cubs win the Central bit are only the 6th best team in the NL.
Well, now comes the prognosticating for next year, the free agent signings and the stuff to get us fired up for next season. We had a great ride, I won't call this season a waste, Theriot and some of the youngsters showed they can play, the bullpen came around to what we expected, and Lilly/Marquis were better than expected for the most part. Soto looks like the real deal and having him behind the dish next season is a big plus compared to what we went through this year.
Our veterans failed to show up in the NLDS. Game, set and match to the Diamondbacks. I also include Lou in this. Very strange moves this series. Seemed like he went against his own mantra.
Well, lets exhale and allow the Cubs 2007 season to float into the cosmos of baseball history and regroup for 2008. It WAS a fun season!
Offseason Wishlist
2)Marmol named the closer
3)Marshall and Hill to learn to trust their stuff
4)Pie to develop and be a player next year. If not, trade him now to get something while he still has value
5)Soto to continue his success.
6)Quade to be replaced
7)Soriano to be moved to the 5 hole
8)Theriot to get a little bit more bat speed so that he can pull the ball a little bit more often.
9)Another summer for Ronnie cause he deserves a ring more than anybody else.
Hmmm...my wish list is slightly different
- Let's not get in a bidding war for an above average hitting, average fielding CF. How about some more "smart money" like that spent on DeRo
- Marmol closing scares me for two reasons. First, the guy has terrible mechanics...an arm injury (probably elbow) is in his near future. Second, when he gets in a pressure situation he drops his arm angle in order to snap that slider a little more...the ball sails up in the zone and ends up in the bleachers. Until he learns to keep the ball down and change speeds a little better, keep him as the 8th inning man.
- "trust their stuff?" Shit, I'd be happy if either one had "stuff." Trade them both for a stud starter or trade one (take your pick) for a decent #3.
- Amen. The worst thing they can do is wait for him to develop and let the entire league see his lack of hitting...(see Patterson)
- Amen. He looks like he can play, start him.
- Can we send Quade to MIL or STL?
- Lots of people want Soriano in the 5 hole. Personally, I'd like to see him batting in New York.
- That would be nice, but I think we've seen pretty much all we can expect from Theriot. I'm not saying he shouldn't play everyday, but I wouldn't expect much more from him.
- I met him once. He was very nice and generous with his time and was willing to tell story after story. I hope they can win a WS while he's alive.
Get Over It, Crybabies!
In May/June they looked like they were going to have another season in the cellar.
Who of you would have bet some of your own (real) money that they would win the division this year?
The future looks terrific for the Cubs.
What a great game baseball is!
JP
Ok...i'll get over it...again...
by santoswoodenlegs on Oct 6, 2007 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions
We're going to have to get used to it.
There is absolutely no reason that the Cubs cannot copy the Boston model - spend huge money, cut dead weight and eat their contracts, and get into the postseason tourney more often than not.
by ClosingTime on Oct 7, 2007 12:30 AM CDT up reply actions
As the Baseball Nazi would say:
At least I won $20 off of a bet with my friend.
well lets just say
Do you think
What a difference
Two weeks ago I was at Wrigley for our last regular season game with the other 41000 fans who really wanted to be there.
One week ago today I was in Cincinnati rooting for the 2007 National League Central Champions.
I know which year I'll be remembering in twenty years time.
Hooray!
I love to see USC fall to a school that has intelligent thinkers in their student body, not just vapid, blond bimbos and future corporate dickheads.
JP
Interesting Free Agent Predictions
Cubs are predicted to sign a left handed closer out of Japan.
http://www.mlb4u.com/topfa07.php
so solly .. but honorable starter cannot win game
2 positives.....
- Hendry will likely get fired by the new owner and perhaps the Cubs might get some clutch players....
- Not Bruce started seeing the light.....
What light are you talking about?
My previous question, about the burden of history, is a legitimate one.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Oct 6, 2007 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions
see me response in your thread....
But.....I'm not settling for this crap.....my complaints about the offense all season were spot on....
And if the Cub fans were booing tonight...I didn't hear it on tv....and am glad I didn't...as I thought the Cub fans were 1st class tonight and as much as I may have advocated otherwise...I was pretty proud to be a cub fan tonight...frustrated...but proud....
I don't think
All of that being said, it was an extremely disappointing end to the season. To not even seem to put up a fight was no fun for me to watch. I'll be back next year, like I have every year since '68, hoping for the best. I'm just no longer satisfied with "improvement." One hundred years is a long time. I'll be satisfied when they win the World Series. Hell, the Marlins have two in the past 10 years, why shouldn't we be able to expect one?
Bruce - well I was sucked in..
You are spot on - I know you went to Phoenix - the D-Backs are a better team. They did the little things well that were appropriate to Playoff baseball.
Our team could not change character in mid-stream, nor did anyone expect the dismal performance from several of the team's stars.
Of course, the Playoffs really do begin and end with pitching. Our starting pitching - other than 6 innings of Big Z was atrocious.
So another year, we say, "Wait 'til next year", buddy.
Many good moments this year, and how much I wanted them to continue. I came home to a 16 year old girl nearly in tears, and a 13 year old who was pissed - both were looking forward to going to tomorrow's game that will never be played.
by TheEman on Oct 6, 2007 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm glad you were there
I feel for your kids. Tell them this is a good character-builder. If the worst thing that happens to you is that the Cubs lose in the playoffs, you'll have a very good life.
I guess you can't be surprised this happened, because power outages like that happened all year. But it sure was an inopportune time for it to happen.
Hang in there, man. Good things come to those who wait. (We should know all about that.)
by Not Bruce Froemming on Oct 6, 2007 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Not Bruce..
If the cubs keep playing pathetic dumb baseball the other teams are going to look good. See it is a very simple case of relativity.
I am just surprised at how dumb founded some of the people are..if Brandon Webb throws left handed and still beats the Cubs..I bet you are going to say..oh well we lost to one of the best pitchers in the league.
It is ok to call a spade a spade.
Probably I feel this way because I am not *ecstatic about this season. If I get a F in an exam and the next time around I am pretty much told what questions are going to be there but still manage only a D, I would not be ecstatic about my performance. Last season the cubs had a AA team or at best a AAA team and managed 66 wins. As someone said with this payroll and IN THIS DIVISION there is no reason to get *ecstatic about being able to barely crawl into the post season and getting humiliated by an inexperienced and young ball club. I think Piniella definitely might not be *ecstatic about our performance and without some major changes to the make up of this team we will not be any better.
If Cuban gives the highest bid....
I really would like to see Cuban owner...how do other BCB'ers feel?
Would love to have him
But it will never happen
1)Reinsdorf hates him because of the NBA
2)All of the national league teams would vote against it since they don't want a George Steinbrener type in their league. I know I would if I was in their shoes.
3)Selig, his cronies, and the umpires don't want to have to deal with the crap that Stern has to...although Cuban is usually always right when it comes to the NBA
I think it has to be a unamious decision so based on that I don't think it will ever happen
by TheRiot Police on Oct 6, 2007 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Next Year's Schedule
I have it from an "inside source" that the season will start in early April and will end around late September. Unless the Cubs make the playoffs then it will end sometime in October.
No need to thank me.
They open the season at homm...
Thye Cubs do not want arod....
what he said
everyone needs to feel the dispair and frustration of what just happened to all of us. but in the light of the sober day - you know lou was an improvement. and as chanman said, it's not even close.
when the team was
I Do Emphatically
Lou is the best thing to come to the Cubs in many, many years.
JP
Post Season record....
shut up..ok???
Baker ....
Looser Pinalla....had this team so strung up and tight....It was unfriken believable......and you guys want him back.....
Dusty gave us one of the worst seasons
how do you like them apples..
...also...I'm gonna go out on a limb here.....
are you a cubs fan?
Would that be the season
As much as I am not a fan of Baker, you can't blame 06 on him. Nobody could have won with that team. They were trotting out starting pitchers from Double A on a nightly basis for crying out loud.
by TheRiot Police on Oct 6, 2007 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions
I was addressing
by TheRiot Police on Oct 6, 2007 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Baker's mistakes
- Ruined Mark Prior's career, and Kerry Wood's career as a starter. He overused them in 2003 and now they are pretty much done
- Constantly favoring useless veterans over actually good rookies. Remember Enrique Wilson? Neifi Perez? Roberto Novoa? What do they all have in common now?? They aren't on the Cubs 25 man roster!
- He didn't do anything to help out his struggling players. He continued to let Corey Patterson fail miserably in 2005, but he did jack shit to help him. Lou benched Jones and got him help and look at him now.
- In 2004, when the Wild Card was in reach and the playoffs were almost here, the team IMPLODED and they ended up in third.
- In 2005, that team underachieved severely
- In 2006, well even with Lee gone the entire season, it is still no excuse to lose how many games he did
Okay
In 04, the offense crapped the bed and the backend of the bullpen sucked the last two weeks of the season. Not sure how Baker could have solved that problem. He can't go out there and swing for them
By your logic, Lou sucks too since his offense crapped the bed as well the last week of the season and during the playoffs this year.
Wood and Prior were not overused. Wood has a violent delivery where he throws across his body. Lots of stress on his shoulder. Stoney called this very early on in Wood's career.
For the reacord, I am not a Baker Fan. I did not want Lou either. I wanted Joe G. I wanted Joe G not because I thought Lou would not win but because of Joe G had success he would be here for years. Win or Lose, Lou is out in three years.
by TheRiot Police on Oct 6, 2007 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Pinella mistakes....
- Managed for a non-existant game 4.
- Underachieved in 2007
- Failed to motivated approx. $50 million worth payroll to hit in the playoffs
prove that he didn't motivate the team
Manager's motivate.....
It is pretty simple
Why could we not beat these good teams?
1)Lack of clutch hitting. Second to last in Sac Flies...not good.
2)Lack of Fundamentals.
3)Could not put together a good pitching performance with a good hitting performance.
by TheRiot Police on Oct 6, 2007 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions
dont forget Dave Veres.....
And remember Dusty never ever played Theriot at SS....EVER....
Jesus Aramis Christ!
These guys aren't your drinking and hangin' out pals. They are, for the most part, mega-millionaires, who don't know you, aren't interested in knowing you, and don't live in your neighborhood.
Of the millions of young guys that play baseball in America (and Latin America, and Asia), only a few hundred actually get to play in the MLB Bigs.
And they aren't even required to get out of the jacuzzi and play ball when it's raining, for crying out loud!
It takes someone like Lou (who's been there) to motivate these mostly ignorant (DeRosa excepted), pampered rich young jocks to get out on the field and do what they're paid for.
Don't blame Lou. He's probably the only one on the team getting ulcers.
JP
Pinella's mortal sin.....
SHOW ME GAME 4
oh and if you are going to bash the person
If you are going to be Smart A$$
by TheRiot Police on Oct 6, 2007 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Explain EFFING to me
by TheRiot Police on Oct 6, 2007 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions
show me
Show me how you -knew- before it happened that Marmol was going to have an off day.
Show me.
by drewishdrewid on Oct 6, 2007 11:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Okay Name
I can't remember ever seeing it done this way.
Now, I don't know if it would have made a difference if he stayed in the game or not but if he was going to pull him, he should have pulled him with the sacks packed in the previous inning. What is one more inning with the bullpen if he has faith in Marmol.
by TheRiot Police on Oct 6, 2007 11:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Lou was not wrong to pull Z
Lou was putting in Marmol in the 7th all year -
Big Z was lifted and the Cubs had scored 1 run to that point in the game....THEY scored 1 run the entire game. Z could have pitched all 9 innings - the Cubs DID NOT score again so it would have been hard for Z to get the win.
by mweil on Oct 6, 2007 11:32 PM CDT up reply actions
plus with the way the offense was for
......I don't know....
If he had a pitch count...pinch hit in the 6th....beat webb when he's on the ropes....
The Cubs showed with their body language all series that they weren't "loose"...and I'm not the only person to pick up on that.....
GIDP.....RLISP.....THATS CHOKING.....and it starts at the TOP......
again, I just don't see what difference that makes
Yes, they choked offensively (which has nothing to do with pulling Z). I think they need a new hitting coach. I think they need fundamental work on batting. But this team pulled out to win the Division in, essentially, four months. Next year, we hit the ground running, we could be at least five more games up -- maybe even ten.
When's the last time the Cubs won 95 games? I think next year, it's possible.
by drewishdrewid on Oct 6, 2007 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Just got home from the game
All I can muster.
Last Time
Frankly I am of the mind that we need 1 more pitcher and one or two consistent bats away from being a wire-to-wire good team.
I would like to see
My projected Linuep for next year
Theriot
Rowand
Lee
Ramirez
Soriano
DeRosa
Soto
Pie
by TheRiot Police on Oct 6, 2007 11:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Pie...
by BlueDWarrior on Oct 6, 2007 11:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Pie
by TheRiot Police on Oct 6, 2007 11:42 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't want to lose Jones.
phat
by phatass on Oct 6, 2007 11:58 PM CDT up reply actions
I was at the game
Uuuuuuuuuuuuggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhh
Crowd fell out of it after that....
by mweil on Oct 6, 2007 11:35 PM CDT reply actions
Question
Like I said in a post just above, think of where this team would be with 1 more pitcher and a couple of high OBP guys.
(also I guess I'll root for the Rockies since they are the Wild Card and are jacked up like I don't know what)
I cannot root for the Rockies.
Go Phillies!
phat
by phatass on Oct 6, 2007 11:43 PM CDT up reply actions
No....
So...
by BlueDWarrior on Oct 6, 2007 11:52 PM CDT up reply actions
indeed
Sheesh. When his biggest criticism is "they wanted to make their tee-time" well, what can I say?
by drewishdrewid on Oct 6, 2007 11:57 PM CDT up reply actions
more crap
The didn't produce in THIS SERIES. Believe me, everyone knows. They know it too.
by drewishdrewid on Oct 7, 2007 12:05 AM CDT up reply actions
Don't look now...but
Farm Hands
by BlueDWarrior on Oct 6, 2007 11:42 PM CDT up reply actions
maybe it's because im bitter,
by mike @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Oct 6, 2007 11:41 PM CDT reply actions
I for one.
They did. What happened is hard to explain. They did things like this all year. It's hard to explain when people who show obvious talent at one point, don't show it at another point.
I think they've got a great base for next year. And I fully expect them to win more games in the regular season and make it to the playoffs.
phat
by phatass on Oct 6, 2007 11:42 PM CDT reply actions
Even though...
I'll be surprised if that number is more than 15
Sometimes the percentages just aren't with you...
Oh well this should still be a damn good Postseason nontheless
by BlueDWarrior on Oct 6, 2007 11:45 PM CDT up reply actions
My Fear
by TheRiot Police on Oct 6, 2007 11:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Well...
The problem hasn't be we don't have talent on the team, it's just that the talent has been inconsistent over the long stretch.
That is why I'm of the mind that we don't need too many signings to get better, just more time to get something stable going
by BlueDWarrior on Oct 6, 2007 11:50 PM CDT up reply actions
No....
that's crap.
If you expect anyone to take you seriously, you have to speak seriously.
by drewishdrewid on Oct 6, 2007 11:54 PM CDT up reply actions
I think
He's obviously irrational. He either can't see straight or wants to antagonize people.
Let him go.
phat
by phatass on Oct 6, 2007 11:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Can you explain......
Drew.....has more RBI's in these 3 games than Jones dores in like 20 career playoff games....and is catching up fast to DLeee and Aram....
I'm frankly disgusted.....You can accept and take it if you want...I want changes.
Change for change's sake
My theory -- because no one has an explanation and they never will -- is that the pressure of being THIS TEAM in the post-season got to them. They thought they should tie it up, and when they couldn't pull out Game 1, they got anxious and tight, and started swinging for the fences.
Reflexes can get in the way. I don't play baseball competitively, but I do fence, and sometimes, even your strongest mental impulses can't overcome your reflexes.
It sucks. But it's hardly a reason to dismantle the team.
by drewishdrewid on Oct 7, 2007 12:08 AM CDT up reply actions
Some changes are necessary.
Aramis... so talented. He obviously has worked hard on his defense. But I get a real "JD Drew" vibe from him - he just doesn't seem to like playing baseball very much. Obviously, this is an arms-length observation, but he was lifeless and useless in this series, and his bad attitude in PHX seems to have spread like cancer.
There will be several keys to 2008 - it's apparent that none of the big players will be moved. The Cubs need an answer in RF. They need to address the Mark Prior situation - hopefully by acquiring a 2009 team option, although that may be impossible.
But really, they just need to keep making the postseason. It may take several playoff losses, but we need to stay in this thing, by using our primary advantage - our deep pockets.
by ClosingTime on Oct 7, 2007 12:40 AM CDT up reply actions
JD Drew.....
Man.....I wish Hendry found a few like him.....
* yes....changes are necessary *
Seriously
Yep
Thank-you, by the way.
phat
by phatass on Oct 7, 2007 12:14 AM CDT up reply actions
Sue.....
I'm glad your happy with losing......I'm not.....
Go Nitny Lions...
Dude
Show me where I said I was happy with losing.
It's spelled Nittany.
You started your own thread
I did that
Loud. Sustained. Applause.
phat
by phatass on Oct 7, 2007 12:26 AM CDT up reply actions
Yea.....
If it makes
You said it better than I could.
There's not much more they can do. I suspect they'll try and pick up some good bench players and they could use another starter (I don't think that's going to happen).
phat
by phatass on Oct 6, 2007 11:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Well
by TheRiot Police on Oct 6, 2007 11:58 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not sure what they need to do to improve.
Floyd won't be with the team. Kendall won't either. Will Ward?
Jones will be there, I would assume. And really, Pie is still obviously not ready for primetime (will he ever be?).
I actually think that Hendry did as well as he could considering who was available.
I don't know.
phat
by phatass on Oct 6, 2007 11:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Mudville: Joyless!
by moldyfolky on Oct 7, 2007 12:02 AM CDT reply actions
Simplitic Analysis
Well let's go through position by position:
P) Zambrano/Lily/Marquis -- I say Marquis has been a serviceable 3rd Starter (should have started over Hill IMO), but if you can get another established guy then go for it
C) Soto is the catcher of the future (good arm, good bat, ok speed), and I'd keep Blanco over Kendall, maybe...
1B) Lee -- I think this year was an abberation in terms of straight HR numbers, so nothing to do here
2B/SS ) Theriot/Fontenot/DeRosa -- you can probably swap them any way you want to, I think they have enough upside offensively to warrant holding on to them
3B) Ramirez -- Again, an abberation in terms of HRs, but does one failed postseason mean you ship him out of town (if yes, you're an idiot IMO)
LF) Soriano -- Just leave him there, make sure he get his legs totally healthy btw.
CF) Pie, Fuld(?) -- Here is the one real question mark... Pie is a damn good fielder but needs real help with the bat. Fuld has show the speed to get to whatever's hit, but is an entirely unproven commodity regarding the bat. This is probably where you need to find free agent.
RF) Murton -- Might as well, you don't need Murton to hit HRs with at least 3 (theoretically) good HR hitters in the lineup. And he's a good fielder.
Bench) we have good backups, so I guess not much to say there
----
If anyone wants to elaborate... well you don't need me to tell you to.
Now that you mention Fuld
This teams going to have to rebuild its bench, I figure.
That's not a bad place to be.
phat
by phatass on Oct 7, 2007 12:17 AM CDT up reply actions
Acidic Tears on Electronic Paper...
One major thing - cubs avoided any starting pitching injuries. In '84 their whole starting 4 went down with injuries. They are a slightly above average team that can not support the depth of long term injuries to their pitching. '07 established Soto as the catcher of the future. Starting 8 is good enough to make it to '08's dance.
tonights game
Sanantonecub!
This has got to be a pretty rough night for you.
Sorry about that.
phat
by phatass on Oct 7, 2007 12:32 AM CDT reply actions
No one will ever fear coming to play in a place
by TR on Oct 7, 2007 12:43 AM CDT reply actions
another pathetic end to a "loser" season
Well,
I didn't expect it this year.
If I don't notice that kind of improvement I'm not paying attention.
phat
by phatass on Oct 7, 2007 12:57 AM CDT up reply actions
what does doing that prove?
What's the point of that?
Baseball used to be a game of bringing players up through the minor league system, and having a career at one, maybe two teams. Free Agency has done great damage to this sport.
But buying a ring, that's just not classy.
No one on this team is responsible for the past 99 years; just the past two or three.
by drewishdrewid on Oct 7, 2007 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe we can get....
just got home...
um....there really isn't much more....
We just spent over $100 million on Alfonso Soriano.....are you sure he can hit when it counts?
Jim....we just spent millions on a manager who seems to be looking way too far ahead.....are you sure he has control of the ship?
Jim.......
add in.....I'm just scratching the surface....
what will you remember about htis series?
- the ball going through Leon Durham's legs and Steve Garvey's HR
In '89 I remember
- Will Clark just kicking us over and over again!
- Grace having a huge series.
- I remember the Braves being so much better
In 2003-
- I remember winning game 4 in Miami knowing we needed just 1 of the next 3.
- needing just 5 outs in Game 6
- Kerry Woods HR in Game 7
- I'll remember DP after DP
- big guys not coming through
by mweil on Oct 7, 2007 1:18 AM CDT reply actions
honestly I hope very little
We need a starting pitcher and a RF.....
a choke....
I don't suppose....
Wow
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by phatass on Oct 7, 2007 1:31 AM CDT up reply actions
It's really a shame....
What?
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by phatass on Oct 7, 2007 1:56 AM CDT up reply actions
I prefer to think along the lines....
Trust me
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by phatass on Oct 7, 2007 2:16 AM CDT up reply actions
ROTFLMAO!
by drewishdrewid on Oct 7, 2007 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions
John Belushi was Funny
FYI
You're the best LouPa!
If it wasn't for LouPa's sound thinking in game 1, we would still have kicked the Cubs asses.
By the way, we had Steve Bartman over for dinner tonight. He is doing well and ate like a champion. He had a Bratwurst with kraut, and washed it down with a few cold Old Style beers. We will be taking him to the game next Thursday and Friday and he will be appearing if needed the following Friday and Saturday, games 6 and 7.
I will be selling the suds to all the fans at Chase for all games through this upcoming wonderful series with our Rocky counterparts. It should be an extremely exciting series and full of drama! I am hoping for an incredible turnout and plenty of big tippers. Probably will have better tippers than some of the Northsiders from that toddling town.
Again, thank you LouPa for managing ahead in this series. I am glad that you could save Z's arm for GAME FOUR!
STEVE BARTMAN extends his greeting from warm and sunny AZ.
by az ice cold mo on Oct 7, 2007 5:57 AM CDT reply actions
THE MISTAKES AND LACK OF BASEBALL SENSE
- millionaire players are not exempt from bunting and taking walks...guess who
- all pitchers and positon payers must bunt during batting practice
- LOU AND THE PLAYERS should watch the same game were watching...when a pitcher is at the 101 pitch count in the fifth inning and 3 out 4 batters have been walked and the batters count is 3&1 and the fans have reached a new deciobel level at wrigley to shake the failing pitcher....who other the piniella and derosa did not expect a ball? duh if tyhe batter doesnt have the sense totake that pitch then why the HEC didnt the manager have a take sign on? baseball is energy flkow positive or negative and cant the cubs see what everyone in the ball park knew was going to happen on that pitch except derosa and piniella
- Does any one know how to steal other than theriot?
- EITHER fire the scouts or set a time where lou reads the reports to all the players without their walk mans in their ears.
- The playoffs are not the time to pitch hit with players who have been hitting at 360 below zero the last 4 weeks..COME ON LOU ..i love Fontento and Pie but when we needed a hit and Soto is sitting on the bench WHY???????????
they had a great summer very enjoyable..but apparently the first 2 games of the playoffs all they had in their minds was the home run swing...
and if the your a 10 million dollar or over player and that exempts you from bunting and running full out after u hit a deep ball so you can admire your own talent and marvel at yourself then we got the same problems next year.
too many unbelievably stupid fundamental things the cubs stars cant or wont do
