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Thursday Morning Headlines and Wrigley Resodding Update - 11/1

That's a bit of a misnomer. These aren't today's headlines -- in fact, there really isn't any important breaking news today. Before I present a few things you might have missed over the last week or two, though, here's a new photo of the resodding project, taken from the webcam this morning:

Remember that lawsuit that MLB brought against fantasy league operators? Where they claimed fantasy leagues shouldn't be able to use stats/names without paying MLB a fee? Well, they lost. If you'd like to read the entire federal appeals court ruling, it's here. (link opens .pdf file)

Speaking of fantasy ball, a guy who I've been in a historical simulation fantasy league with for a number of years, who is a columnist for a newspaper in Mankato, Minnesota, thinks the Cubs might be a possible destination for Torii Hunter. To which I'd say, no thanks. Hunter's almost 33, and his career numbers look a lot like Jacque Jones'. We already have one of those.

Buried in yet another A-Rod opts-out article is a note that says that Japanese pitcher Hiroki Kuroda nearly signed with the Cubs last year, but decided to stay in Japan for "personal reasons". I'd say that if Jim Hendry nearly signed him a year ago, Kuroda's very likely to be sporting a Cub uniform in 2008.

They're going to be breaking ground in Glendale, Arizona, for the new spring training complex to be shared by the Dodgers and White Sox on November 16; it's going to open in February 2009.

Finally, remember Ria Cortesio, the female umpire from the Southern League who umpired a Cubs/Diamondbacks spring training game last March? Despite being ranked the top umpire in the SL before the 2007 season began, she's been let go.

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is that snow :)
along the granstands or is it some sort of material for the drainage system??
I propose a toast to the great 100th anniversy gift known to mankind - A CUBS WORLD SERIES VICTORY!

by BigZ 4 Cy on Nov 1, 2007 9:58 AM CDT   0 recs

LOL
It's cold here this morning, but there's no snow. That must be some sort of material they're using in the project.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Nov 1, 2007 10:24 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Stoned out of my mind...
I think it's limestone, which is used as a part of the drainage system.

by DrCrawdad on Nov 2, 2007 9:53 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

definitely a big fan of that ruling.
definitely makes it easier for me to keep my job.
AC 00 00 00 - BELIEVE

by mike on Nov 1, 2007 10:00 AM CDT   0 recs

White Sox spring training
Perhaps I missed it, but if not, the Sox are still looking for a team to take their spot at Electric Park in Tucson. Without this, the Sox are obligated to stay in Tucson at least for a few more springs (IIRC until 2013). Of course, with the Dodgers moving to Glendale and the Indians moving to Goodyear, most likely two teams would need to move from the Grapefruit League to the Cactus League otherwise there would be an uneven number of teams in both.

It seems highly unlikely that any team from the Valley would move down to Tucson as most have newly upgraded facilities and, in all honesty, Phoenix is a much better place to play than Tucson (more teams, shorter travel times...). If the Sox are able to get out of Tucson that would really be a nail in the coffin of spring baseball in Tucson.

DmL

by dmlichte on Nov 1, 2007 10:05 AM CDT   0 recs

I would agree.
There's no way spring baseball could survive in Tucson with just the Rockies and Diamondbacks. I don't know what the Rockies' deal at Hi Corbett Field is like, but maybe they'd take over the White Sox' spot until the deal runs out in 2013, then both teams would move to the Phoenix area. It makes sense.

With the Indians and Dodgers both moving spring training to Phoenix, that will make 14 teams in Arizona for the spring.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Nov 1, 2007 10:23 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yup
And its even more of an issue with the two teams being in the same division. Legitimate or not, teams from the same division aren't going to want to play each other 15 times during the spring. Perhaps having two new teams in the valley would soften the impact of two teams in Tucson and there could be a bit more travel down to Tucson, who knows.

I imagine the Rockies would love to get out of Tucson, or at least out of Hi Corbett Field. The overall facility is nice but the ballpark itself is nothing special. In comparison to Electric Park, HoHoKam and other parks in the Cactus League, its like playing in a glorified HS stadium. If the Rockies continue to grow as a team and become more popular, they'll either demand a rebuilt ballpark at HiCorbett or move elsewhere.

DmL

by dmlichte on Nov 1, 2007 11:09 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Sox spring training
There hasn't been anything in the papers here lately regarding the Sox situation. I believe that if they do decide to leave before 2012 or 2013 (don't remember the exact date)without getting a replacement team, they have to pay Tucson Electric Park $28 million. If they stay here to avoid the $28M payment, they will have to pay Glendale, I think, $250,000 per game that they miss so that adds up to a pretty large amount too but not as much as the $28M.

I'm really concerned about spring training here in Tucson. They make a big deal about traveling to Phoenix and vice versa but don't teams have to travel around Florida? A lousy 1 1/2 hour bus ride to Phoenix or Tucson doesn't seem like such a big deal to me.

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson

by tucsoncubsfan on Nov 1, 2007 11:21 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yes, teams have to travel around Florida.
But the difference is, teams are ALREADY scattered all over Florida. In Arizona, nine of the 12 teams are already in metro Phoenix. That does make the two-hour ride to Tucson sort of a PITA. Further (and I've done the drive), if you try to do it during rush hour it becomes closer to two and a half hours.

I know you live in Tucson and would like to see teams still play there during ST. But somehow, it seems unrealistic in modern baseball/modern lifestyles.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Nov 1, 2007 11:32 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yup, Yup
 It's inevitible that Spring Training in Tucson will be extinct very soon. Which I personally don't mind at all. Every ST you hear more and more players bitch about the 2 hour drive and how the facilities in Tucson are garbage and they lose a day of workouts  etc etc.

 The Sidewinders, the DBacks AAA team, will be moving to Reno in 2009 as well, due to poor attendance.

by lemon20pie on Nov 1, 2007 12:52 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Garbage?
I've lived here since 1989 and never heard any complaints about the TEP facility. The players bitch and moan about the drive but that's about it. I assume you don't live here so it would not matter to you if there is no spring training here but it does matter to those of us who are here.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson

by tucsoncubsfan on Nov 1, 2007 3:24 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Spring Training Schedule
Does the spring training schedule get released today?  I'm planning my brother's bachelor party and would like to know ASAP.

by Mordecai on Nov 1, 2007 10:16 AM CDT   0 recs

Good question.
I've been looking around for info on this. As soon as I can find it, I'll post it.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Nov 1, 2007 10:21 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Thanks
Thanks.  I've seen a partial schedule, but not the full one yet.

by Mordecai on Nov 1, 2007 11:10 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

A good resource for Spring Training online is...
...called "Spring Training Online".  Imagine that...  ;-)  Here's the URL - http://www.springtrainingonline.com/

I've used it for several years now in planning my trips and the guy does a good job of pulling together master schedules as each team releases theirs, as well as filling in the blanks for the unreleased schedules.  Scroll down the left side to see team links for both Grapefruit and Cactus leagues.

Cubs schedule has not been released yet, but based on what's already out there, he's put together a partial one.  Here's that URL:
http://www.springtrainingonline.com/teams/chicago_cubs_4.htm

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Nov 1, 2007 12:17 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Cool
That was the one I saw too.  BTW, has anybody tailgated at Hohokam before?  I was thinking about getting a cheap grill at Wal-Mart and bring a couple of cases of beer.

by Mordecai on Nov 1, 2007 12:53 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Ranking Japanese Pitchers
at MLB Trade Rumors.

Hiroki Kuroda is ranked 3rd. This is the opinion of two people, Aaron Shinsano and Tak Iwanaga.

Ranking Japanese Pitchers

by flachimesa on Nov 1, 2007 10:25 AM CDT   0 recs

HEY AL!!
is there a web site, or live field cam on the net that i can sit and watch during the day? I get so bored at work these days, with this full leg cast on.  
Living any closer to Wrigley and I would feel Santo's spittle on my neck.

by JoeSmoe23 on Nov 1, 2007 10:27 AM CDT   0 recs

Yes, but...
.... you'll have to join the Cubs Club to have access to it. It costs $20. Link is at the Cubs website, click on "Fan Forum" to go there. (No, I don't get anything for telling you this.)
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Nov 1, 2007 10:55 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Dont Forget...Ford Frick award voting starts today
http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20071029&content_id=2287652&vkey=news_chc&a mp;fext=.jsp&c_id=chc
The Ford C. Frick Award is presented annually to a broadcaster for "major contributions to baseball." The award, named after the late broadcaster, National League President, Commissioner and Hall of Famer, has been presented annually since 1978. Frick was a driving force behind the creation of the Hall of Fame in Cooperstown and he helped foster the relationship between radio and the game of baseball.

My personal wish is to see the classy long-time Cubs announcer Vince Lloyd finally get this award.

You can vote at this link
http://web.baseballhalloffame.org/awards/frick_2007/vote.jsp

Kasey

See the Cubs 2008 schedule at http://ignarski.tripod.com/sched2008.html

by kaseyi on Nov 1, 2007 10:32 AM CDT   0 recs

Nice thought.
Would have been nicer if he could have had this while he was alive, too.

I note that you can also vote for Ron Santo on this ballot, and Pat Hughes. You can vote once per valid email address per day, and vote for up to three names on the ballot. (Make sure you uncheck the "I want to receive commercial email" box EVERY TIME!)

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Nov 1, 2007 10:59 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

C'mon
I know people want to see Santo in the Hall, but doing so through the Frick Award is simply not right. Santo is a horrible broadcaster. Yes, he is entertaining, but if he were to get in via the Frick Award it would render the Frick Award, which has gone to many tremendous broadcasters, meaningless.

Amazing to see other names on there like Matt Vasgersian, Steve Lyons, Josh Lewin on there. I know there are just paramaters to be on this ballot. The funny thing is that when you click on the profile it says that Pat Hughes has been broadcasting for 54 years. Has he even been alive for 54 years? Was he calling PBP in his mother's womb?

DmL

by dmlichte on Nov 1, 2007 11:14 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Was just noting...
.... Santo's place on the ballot, without comment.

Pat Hughes was born May 27, 1955, so he's 52.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Nov 1, 2007 11:30 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

It amuses me how...
...the article mentions Chip Carey without mentioning that he's on the ballot.

And have you seen how many AWFUL names there are on that list? "Hawk" Harrelson? Joe Buck? Tim McCarver? Joe Morgan?

FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Nov 1, 2007 11:33 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Hawk...
... wasn't all that far off from induction last year. IIRC he made the final list. Unfortunately I bet he'll make it. Joe Buck is well on his way there, too. On the other side of the coin, Pat Hughes is already being mentioned as a future Frick winner and he's still got many years left.

DmL

by dmlichte on Nov 1, 2007 12:04 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Joe Morgan on the list?!
Wow, that is crappy.  He's one of the worst out there...
"Who are you going to believe, me or your own eyes?"

by Jettero2112 on Nov 1, 2007 11:36 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Torii?
I know I've heard somewhere that he doesn't want to play at Wrigley... the outfield bricks/ivy aren't quite as forgiving as the padded walls at the Metrodome, and don't really lend themselves to those death-defying grab-the-home-run-from-over-the-wall leaps.  The Cubs wouldn't be a good fit for him.

by mistersite on Nov 1, 2007 10:36 AM CDT   0 recs

I can't say it enough
NO to Torii Hunter.  Al - you say it best, he's a RH Jacque Jones.  While I like Jones, I don't want 2 of them.  

by rlpete on Nov 1, 2007 11:00 AM CDT   0 recs

while he's not great
calling him Jacques Jones seems to be quite a stretch.  I'll try to prove it.

1.  Since 2001, Hunter's OPS+ has been below 100 only once, at 98.  He has highs of 124 (2002) and 122 (2007).  Since 2001 Jones had an OPS+ above 100 3 times and below 4 times.  HIs high was 123 (2002) but he has also had lows of 87 (2007) and 89 (2004). (baseball reference)

Advantage:  Hunter and it's not close

This accounts for a much more consistent power game out of Hunter as well as a more consistent OBP, albeit a middling one, at around .335 over the past few years.

2. You can also expect Hunter to put up around 20 steals.  In the past 6 years he has stolen 23, 6, 23, 21, 12, and 18 steals, in order.  I have no idea why he only stole 6 although I think it would be related to this:  One of the outliers, when he stold 12 bases in 2006, was in a season where he had injured his ankle and missed 15 games.  The ankle affected his steals and his power numbers all year.

Jones has never stolen more than 13 bases and those numbers  have fallen to 9 and 6 in the past 2 years.  Also, he's a horrifyingly bad baserunner. (yahoo)

Advantage:  Hunter, again, not that close.

3. Surprisingly, Jones's R/L splits weren't as stark as they have been in years past.  For example, in 2006 he hit .234 against lefties and .303 against righties.  This past season he hit .295 against lefties and .283 agasint righties.  This is partly due to smarter use of Jones by Piniella I'd assume but it's interesting nonetheless.  Hunter's career splits are somewhat different for his career, hitting .282 vs. lefties and .267 against righties but he has destroyed lefties in 06 and 07, hitting .319 and .314 respectively. (yahoo)

Advantage: Push

4.  Defense. You would think it would Hunter by a mile but as it turns out, Jones played a pretty damn good CF for us.  His RATE2 was 118, and his FRAA2 was 13.  Hunter's RATE2 was only 103 and his FRAA2 was just 2.  I'm not quite sure what to make of this but it seems that the advantage would go to Jones.  If you look at the positions where he played the majority of his games in Minnesota, he actually played well above average defense.  Hunter had three spectacular years around the turn of the Millenium but has been surprisingly average since then. (baseball prospectus)

I'm not quite ready to dismiss years of Hunter making spectacular plays and Jones bouncing the ball into second but...

Advantage:  Jones.

So...it seems that offensively, it's Hunter by a mile, defensively, the stats tell us it's Jones but our heads tell us it's Hunter.

I think I've proven my point.  Hunter is a better player than Jones and the past 2 years have contributed to that.  Hunter has had WARP3s of 7.5 and 8.2 while Jones has only had 5.8 and 4.5. (prospectus).

I'm not recommending we sign Hunter for a lot of reasons, one of them being Felix Pie but, I mean, if we were to trade Pie for someone, it wouldn't hurt to have an outfielder who has the capability of hitting 30 jacks (31 in 06 and 28 in 07) and steal 20 bases.  Age is a concern.  The contract would have to be short and for the right price, but...do not call Torii Hunter Jacques Jones.

MURTON!!!

by tal1286 on Nov 1, 2007 11:57 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Thanks
You just said exactly what was in my head, but I was too lazy to look up the stats.

by HectorVillanueva on Nov 1, 2007 12:28 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I, too, agree
and while I'm still NOT advocating we acquire Hunter, has anyone thought of the Hunter-Jones connection? They were teammates for years and apparently friends. In Jones' bad years in MN he hit 25-30 HR. Maybe having Hunter around will help Jaques return to form. I'd take an outfield of Soriano, Hunter, and 25-30 HR Jones. I'm just thinking aloud here, I know that Torii Hunter isn't likely to cause Jones to hit 20 more HR this year, and I also know that scenarios that provide paying for Hunter prolly include dumping Jones salary.

With that being said, I still think there are better and cheaper options for our outfield.

by philadelphiacub on Nov 1, 2007 1:48 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Well for FA's
I'd lean towards Rowand.

Trade-wise....Carl Crawford? It's what we'd have to give up.

Our grandparents used to say, "I hope the Cubs win the Series before I die". Now teenagers are saying it. Let's change that next season!

by blackhawk24 on Nov 1, 2007 1:57 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

You are right ,
from a power standpoint Hunter is better than Jones.  My comment was more in an area where the Cubs already have problems:

Hunter (2007): 600 AB, 40 BB, 101 K, .334 OBP.
Jones (2007): 453 AB, 34 BB, 70 K, .335 OBP.

Hunter (Lifetime): 4492 AB, 319 BB, 870 K, .324 OBP
Jones (Lifetime): 4478 AB, 300 BB, 923 K, .329 OBP

Very similar here.  Jacque strikes out a bit more but has a slightly higher OBP due to a better average.  They walk about the same which isn't good.        

by rlpete on Nov 1, 2007 2:40 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

fair enough
I'm speaking in general though.
MURTON!!!

by tal1286 on Nov 1, 2007 8:08 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Bringing the Far East to Wrigley
Cubs FA targets? Should be the Far East:

Kuroda (since he seems to like the Cubs)
Fukodome (fills the RF hole, and is a lefty who works counts)

If the Cubs can land BOTH of these guys, they get the benefit of coming over together (lessens the impact of being alone/unfamiliar with the language), AND they fill needs the Cubs have (rotation and RF/LH batter).

Plus, they cost a hell of a lot less than ARod.

Come on Trader Jim...make it happen!

by Chadnudj on Nov 1, 2007 11:23 AM CDT   0 recs

I think Hendry
has been a little slow in recognizing the quality of players that come out of Japan.  They tend to breed discipline hitters and pitchers who throw strikes.  Both of these qualities have not exactly been a Cub staple the last several years.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Nov 1, 2007 11:35 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Fukodome
Isn't he a righty?

DmL

by dmlichte on Nov 1, 2007 12:00 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Fukudome
Throws right, bats left.

Here's a video of an at-bat:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=YFfGgSTZwfg

There are more.  Search for Fukudome.

by John Q Freejazz on Nov 1, 2007 12:15 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I think Fukodome
is a fit.  Should be Hendry's #1 priority.  A starter would be nice, too.

So, is the field going to be lower after this project or not?  I thought it was going to be as low as the dugouts, so no more steps down.  Is that wrong?

by bleacher on Nov 1, 2007 11:38 AM CDT   0 recs

Yes
IIRC, the field will be 14 inches lower.

by Mordecai on Nov 1, 2007 11:45 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Some additional noteworthy news
I didn't think this was quite diary-worthy, so I'll post it here. According to this AP article, which I found in the student newspaper of Bowling Green State University (!), Dusty Baker has completed his Cincinnati Reds coaching staff with the addition of none other than former Cubs third-base coach Chris Speier as bench coach.

Let the DUI jokes commence...

"Baby, I'm born to lose." ~ Johnny Thunders, 1977

by dat cubfan daver on Nov 1, 2007 11:46 AM CDT   0 recs

The best DUI joke
was John Kitna's Halloween costume.  He and his wife went dressed as a naked man and a drive thru cashier.  A sick reference to a former Lions coach that was arrested for indecent exposure and DUI for driving through a fast food restaurant drive thru with no clothes on.

by HectorVillanueva on Nov 1, 2007 11:54 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

re: The best DUI joke
Wow, that's a pretty creative costume idea. I imagine the former coach was pissed, but, when you're a football player, I guess you worry less about physical confrontations.
"Baby, I'm born to lose." ~ Johnny Thunders, 1977

by dat cubfan daver on Nov 1, 2007 12:13 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The Lions coach
He still coaches there and he got a kick out of the costume.
"Dad gum right this games gonna be played under protest. . . I guarantee this is gonna be one protest that's upheld." --Hawk Harrelson, 6/24/07

by RynoHoF on Nov 1, 2007 2:31 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

However
I think I'd rather see them reverse the costumes.  

by rlpete on Nov 1, 2007 2:42 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The Elias Sports Bureau...
...has performed their alchemical process and released their player rankings. Jason Kendall is worth a free draft pick!
FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Nov 1, 2007 12:04 PM CDT   0 recs

Prbbably not
Given Kendall's salary, offering him arbitration is probably a no-no.  He'd accept it, I bet, and the Cubs' budget for 2008 would be spent.

by DGU on Nov 1, 2007 12:37 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

More off-topic news (albeit from yesterday)
Kenny Williams is one brave GM.  Takes guts to cut Michael Myers on Halloween....

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-whitesoxmoves&prov=ap&type=lgns

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Nov 1, 2007 12:27 PM CDT   0 recs

Voted in the Frick balloting
for Jack Quinlin, Graham McNamee, and Bill King.  You had to be dead to get my vote.  Thought about Harry Heilmann, but he's already in the players' Hall.

by bleacher on Nov 1, 2007 12:41 PM CDT   0 recs

Just now noticed that Ria Cortesio...
...is, apparently, a Quad Cities native. Huh.
FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Nov 1, 2007 12:45 PM CDT   0 recs

NO HEADLINES?!
Al - how can you say that? Thax filing for FA is not compelling news? Glendon Rusch on the comeback trail is not the biggest story in months?

Just what's gotten into you lately?

Wait 'til next year. And the next. And the Next. And the next after that too.

by TheEman on Nov 1, 2007 1:15 PM CDT   0 recs

LMAO
I'm hoping you're hoping both these guys sign elsewhere...
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Nov 1, 2007 1:34 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Indeed, I hope the Brewers
sign them both!
Wait 'til next year. And the next. And the Next. And the next after that too.

by TheEman on Nov 1, 2007 2:55 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Rusch
Please tell me that you're joking. Anyone else recall the shot of him during the Dodgers series, sitting in the seats. I could not believe that this was a player who was in the majors in the last few years. He had a few extra chins and looked like he put on 50 lbs since throwing his last pitch. Nice guy, but he'll need to lose quite a bit of weight.

DmL

by dmlichte on Nov 1, 2007 3:06 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

"Thax"=
Thax=Trax, as in Trachsel...
Wait 'til next year. And the next. And the Next. And the next after that too.

by TheEman on Nov 1, 2007 1:15 PM CDT   0 recs

Cortesio
Al, I remember in spring training pointing out that this was a make or break year for her. Once an ump enters AA the clock starts ticking. Unlike players, MLB has no interest in career minor league umpires. As soon as they know you're not going to make it in the majors, they let you go. I don't see a female making it up anytime soon. I'd like to see it, but MLB doesn't need it and it carries alot of issues that would have to be resolved.
"You know what? You want a job? Go out and earn one." Sweet Lou

by Kyle Turney on Nov 1, 2007 2:06 PM CDT   0 recs

But the question is...
... how did she go from top-rated umpire in the Southern League to released in one year?

Were they afraid that she MIGHT make it because she was good, so they deliberately reduced their rating so they could let her go?

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Nov 1, 2007 3:54 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Minor League Umpires
I believe that the process of moving up the ranks has some requirements in terms of years. If you don't make it to a certain point within a certain number of years, you're time as an umpire is over. So her not reaching the AAA level after nine years likely did it for her. I mean you only have a certain number of spots in the majors and at AAA. You have new umps entering the system every year. So one can imagine that lots of umpires are let go each year, too.

DmL

by dmlichte on Nov 1, 2007 5:05 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Being top-rated...
...isn't really what it seems here. This only means she was the highest rated ump left after some of her peers moved up to AAA. I've been told being at the top of a class at the beginning of a season is a clear signal that your on your last leg. For instance maybe she was rated #8 at the end of the year and there was room for 12 new umps in AAA. This rating is simply a stat, it doesn't give any sense of potential or presence. So if AAA took people that were rated lower than her, especially in light of her time in the minors (9 years is at the upper end) then she probably knew that she would have to have a really good year to stick around. So, from my perspective there is nothing fishy here, rather just a part of the process.
"You know what? You want a job? Go out and earn one." Sweet Lou

by Kyle Turney on Nov 1, 2007 6:01 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

You have to...
... join the Cubs Club ($20 a year) to get access to the webcams. Click on "Fan Forum" on the Cubs website. No, I don't get any money for telling you this.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Nov 1, 2007 3:53 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Can someone please explain all the hype and love
for Kuroda and Fukodome?  Why are these two players someone we would want and who are two players that we can compare them to?
Bring back the damn cowbell!

by CubsBall2202 on Nov 1, 2007 3:56 PM CDT   0 recs

They are players who haven't failed yet in the ML
The problem with any of the Japanese players is that it's hard to be sure if they will succeed or not in the majors.  The Japanese leagues are harder than AAA but not nearly on the level as the American ML.  Some guys come over and do very well (Ichiro); some guys come over and do very well after a year of adjusting (Hideki Matsui); some guys do well until they are figured out (Takatsu); and some guys don't ever really do that well (Kazuo Matsui).

Fukudome does not look like he is as good as Hideki Matsui, but his Japanese stats look very good.  I don't think he will be better than, say, Cliff Floyd, as a hitter, but he will have better defense.

Kuroda is interesting, as MLBTR had this to say today about him:  

Hiroki Kuroda - One number to remember here: 300, as in 300 feet to left and 300 feet to right. That's the stadium Kuroda spent 10 years in, and still he managed to post a sub-2.00 ERA in 2006 and go 13-6. What could he do in Petco with 67 extra feet to left to play with?  Tak says that at the least, he's an innings eater.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2007/11/ranking-japanes.html

That 300 ft down the line stat should remind us about how difficult it can be to translate performance in the Japanese leagues to the American.  If Fukudome can hit 30 HR in Japan, well, how many of those went 305 ft?

Back to Kuroda - I'm not convinced he'll really be better than Jason Marquis - which is valuable at one level, but in my view, what the Cubs need is the kind of pitcher that can shut offenses down in the post-season, and I don't think Kuroda will be that.

Here's a question for the Fukudome supporters - given that a bunch of teams seem interested in Fukudome and he could easily be up at 3 years 30 million - is the risk/reward on Fukudome better than it would be on Ryan Church or Brad Wilkerson, given their comparative costs?

by DGU on Nov 1, 2007 4:35 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

So why in the world would people here be
preaching that we need these two when in fact you're saying kuroda probably is at the same level as marquis (ughh!) and fukodome might be like cliff floyd, which probably would make me vomit.  Is there really nothing out there this year for free agency?
Bring back the damn cowbell!

by CubsBall2202 on Nov 1, 2007 5:46 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The unknown is always intriguing...
and since people only know a little bit about these guys, the fact that they're the biggest Japanese names on the market makes them debate fodder.

The Floyd/Marquis comparisons may or may not be accurate.  These guys could be similar in production, or they could be better or worse.  No one really knows.  We can say that their ceilings are probably not great, but we don't really know what their risks or expectations will be.

by SouthernCub on Nov 1, 2007 8:26 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Money is less expensive...
...than young players. Church is only available in trade.

Wilkerson has no risk, other than injury risk (not insubstantial, by the way!), but there's very little upside. He's likely to hit right around the league average, and his defense in right field has to be highly suspect even before you factor in his shoulder surgery.

Fukudome, if nothing else, is guaranteed to be a plus defender in right field.

The arguement for signing Japanese players is that what you are essentially doing is buying the equivelent of top prospects, near their prime years, with nothing but money -- no draft pick compensation, no trading away your young talent.

Now, just like any prospect, there is risk/reward involved, but a big-market club like the Cubs can better afford to take on the monetary risk than, say, the Brewers. If the Cubs want to make sure they're staying competative in the NL Central, and if they're not developing young talent to the same extent as our rivals, one way we can make up ground WITHOUT sacrificing what we do have in the minors is to get into the Japanese player market.

No, Fukudome doesn't have light-tower power. What he DOES have is good plate discipline, a high walk rate, and a left-handed bat without platoon issues. He's also a plus defender, and he plays right field. His strengths match up with our needs in a spectacular fashion.

I'd rather get a plus shortstop from somewhere, but there aren't any available in free agency, unless you can get A-Rod and move him, or take a gamble on Cuban defector Alexei Ramirez, who I'm not at all convinced is MLB-ready. So Fukudome is the palyer I'd like to see the Cubs target.

FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Nov 1, 2007 7:43 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yes and no
In general I agree with the idea that contracts are cheaper than trading players, but the Cubs have some players blocked (by contracts) the Nats might take for a guy they don't seem to value, which is why I mentioned Church instead of the in-dreams-only options like Carl Crawford.

I'd say Wilkerson still has upside, given that he had an average OPS+ of 117 while in Montreal before the shoulder injury.  If he's healthy, (an if the Cubs should be able to determine before signing him) he has at least as much OBP/SLG upside as Fukudome.

This is just an honest question, not an argument - that Fukudome has no platoon issues in Japan - will that definitely translate to the ML?

Here's the biggest question for me - what is he going to cost in money?  If the Cubs only have 15 mill to spend, I'd rather spend the lion's share of that on a potential #2 starter than on a guy who would be a definite but not massive upgrade on Jacque Jones.  Yes, OBP is important, but a pitcher who can win games in the playoffs is more important.

Of course, if $s not an issue, then sign them all.

by DGU on Nov 1, 2007 9:26 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Nothing's certain...
...but platoon splits are something that generally don't wait until the majors to show up.

Wilkerson... like I said, defensively suspect in right field. And the last thing we need is more left fielders.

The other point I'd like to make is that money spent on Japanese players is not exactly the same as money spent on American players -- especially players like Fukudome. Look at the Mariners -- they've been able to have revenues in excess of their market because of Ichiro, and the Japanese fanbase they have because of Ichiro.

Fukudome is not as big a star as Ichiro, but he is a legitimate Japanese star. A portion of his contract could be viewed as an investment in raising the Cubs' profile in Japan, not necessarily in his on-field production.

FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Nov 1, 2007 11:50 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Raising the Japanese Profile
I think that was a good argument insofar as it applied to Ichiro, Matsuzaka, and Hideki Matsui - but what did studies show of how the presence of Kazuo