Thursday Morning Headlines and Wrigley Resodding Update - 11/1
That's a bit of a misnomer. These aren't today's headlines -- in fact, there really isn't any important breaking news today. Before I present a few things you might have missed over the last week or two, though, here's a new photo of the resodding project, taken from the webcam this morning:

Remember that lawsuit that MLB brought against fantasy league operators? Where they claimed fantasy leagues shouldn't be able to use stats/names without paying MLB a fee? Well, they lost. If you'd like to read the entire federal appeals court ruling, it's here. (link opens .pdf file)
Speaking of fantasy ball, a guy who I've been in a historical simulation fantasy league with for a number of years, who is a columnist for a newspaper in Mankato, Minnesota, thinks the Cubs might be a possible destination for Torii Hunter. To which I'd say, no thanks. Hunter's almost 33, and his career numbers look a lot like Jacque Jones'. We already have one of those.
Buried in yet another A-Rod opts-out article is a note that says that Japanese pitcher Hiroki Kuroda nearly signed with the Cubs last year, but decided to stay in Japan for "personal reasons". I'd say that if Jim Hendry nearly signed him a year ago, Kuroda's very likely to be sporting a Cub uniform in 2008.
They're going to be breaking ground in Glendale, Arizona, for the new spring training complex to be shared by the Dodgers and White Sox on November 16; it's going to open in February 2009.
Finally, remember Ria Cortesio, the female umpire from the Southern League who umpired a Cubs/Diamondbacks spring training game last March? Despite being ranked the top umpire in the SL before the 2007 season began, she's been let go.
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is that snow :)
by BigZ 4 Cy on Nov 1, 2007 9:58 AM CDT 0 recs
LOL
by Al on
Nov 1, 2007 10:24 AM CDT
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Stoned out of my mind...
by DrCrawdad on
Nov 2, 2007 9:53 AM CDT
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definitely a big fan of that ruling.
by mike on Nov 1, 2007 10:00 AM CDT 0 recs
White Sox spring training
It seems highly unlikely that any team from the Valley would move down to Tucson as most have newly upgraded facilities and, in all honesty, Phoenix is a much better place to play than Tucson (more teams, shorter travel times...). If the Sox are able to get out of Tucson that would really be a nail in the coffin of spring baseball in Tucson.
DmL
by dmlichte on Nov 1, 2007 10:05 AM CDT 0 recs
I would agree.
With the Indians and Dodgers both moving spring training to Phoenix, that will make 14 teams in Arizona for the spring.
by Al on
Nov 1, 2007 10:23 AM CDT
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Yup
I imagine the Rockies would love to get out of Tucson, or at least out of Hi Corbett Field. The overall facility is nice but the ballpark itself is nothing special. In comparison to Electric Park, HoHoKam and other parks in the Cactus League, its like playing in a glorified HS stadium. If the Rockies continue to grow as a team and become more popular, they'll either demand a rebuilt ballpark at HiCorbett or move elsewhere.
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by dmlichte on
Nov 1, 2007 11:09 AM CDT
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Sox spring training
I'm really concerned about spring training here in Tucson. They make a big deal about traveling to Phoenix and vice versa but don't teams have to travel around Florida? A lousy 1 1/2 hour bus ride to Phoenix or Tucson doesn't seem like such a big deal to me.
by tucsoncubsfan on
Nov 1, 2007 11:21 AM CDT
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Yes, teams have to travel around Florida.
I know you live in Tucson and would like to see teams still play there during ST. But somehow, it seems unrealistic in modern baseball/modern lifestyles.
by Al on
Nov 1, 2007 11:32 AM CDT
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Yup, Yup
The Sidewinders, the DBacks AAA team, will be moving to Reno in 2009 as well, due to poor attendance.
by lemon20pie on
Nov 1, 2007 12:52 PM CDT
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Garbage?
by tucsoncubsfan on
Nov 1, 2007 3:24 PM CDT
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Spring Training Schedule
by Mordecai on Nov 1, 2007 10:16 AM CDT 0 recs
Good question.
by Al on
Nov 1, 2007 10:21 AM CDT
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Thanks
by Mordecai on
Nov 1, 2007 11:10 AM CDT
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A good resource for Spring Training online is...
I've used it for several years now in planning my trips and the guy does a good job of pulling together master schedules as each team releases theirs, as well as filling in the blanks for the unreleased schedules. Scroll down the left side to see team links for both Grapefruit and Cactus leagues.
Cubs schedule has not been released yet, but based on what's already out there, he's put together a partial one. Here's that URL:
http://www.springtrainingonline.com/teams/chicago_cubs_4.htm
by ballhawk on
Nov 1, 2007 12:17 PM CDT
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Cool
by Mordecai on
Nov 1, 2007 12:53 PM CDT
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Ranking Japanese Pitchers
Hiroki Kuroda is ranked 3rd. This is the opinion of two people, Aaron Shinsano and Tak Iwanaga.
by flachimesa on Nov 1, 2007 10:25 AM CDT 0 recs
HEY AL!!
by JoeSmoe23 on Nov 1, 2007 10:27 AM CDT 0 recs
Yes, but...
by Al on
Nov 1, 2007 10:55 AM CDT
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Dont Forget...Ford Frick award voting starts today
My personal wish is to see the classy long-time Cubs announcer Vince Lloyd finally get this award.
You can vote at this link
http://web.baseballhalloffame.org/awards/frick_2007/vote.jsp
Kasey
by kaseyi on Nov 1, 2007 10:32 AM CDT 0 recs
Nice thought.
I note that you can also vote for Ron Santo on this ballot, and Pat Hughes. You can vote once per valid email address per day, and vote for up to three names on the ballot. (Make sure you uncheck the "I want to receive commercial email" box EVERY TIME!)
by Al on
Nov 1, 2007 10:59 AM CDT
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C'mon
Amazing to see other names on there like Matt Vasgersian, Steve Lyons, Josh Lewin on there. I know there are just paramaters to be on this ballot. The funny thing is that when you click on the profile it says that Pat Hughes has been broadcasting for 54 years. Has he even been alive for 54 years? Was he calling PBP in his mother's womb?
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by dmlichte on
Nov 1, 2007 11:14 AM CDT
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Was just noting...
Pat Hughes was born May 27, 1955, so he's 52.
by Al on
Nov 1, 2007 11:30 AM CDT
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It amuses me how...
And have you seen how many AWFUL names there are on that list? "Hawk" Harrelson? Joe Buck? Tim McCarver? Joe Morgan?
by cwyers on
Nov 1, 2007 11:33 AM CDT
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Hawk...
DmL
by dmlichte on
Nov 1, 2007 12:04 PM CDT
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Joe Morgan on the list?!
by Jettero2112 on
Nov 1, 2007 11:36 PM CDT
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Torii?
by mistersite on Nov 1, 2007 10:36 AM CDT 0 recs
I can't say it enough
by rlpete on Nov 1, 2007 11:00 AM CDT 0 recs
while he's not great
1. Since 2001, Hunter's OPS+ has been below 100 only once, at 98. He has highs of 124 (2002) and 122 (2007). Since 2001 Jones had an OPS+ above 100 3 times and below 4 times. HIs high was 123 (2002) but he has also had lows of 87 (2007) and 89 (2004). (baseball reference)
Advantage: Hunter and it's not close
This accounts for a much more consistent power game out of Hunter as well as a more consistent OBP, albeit a middling one, at around .335 over the past few years.
2. You can also expect Hunter to put up around 20 steals. In the past 6 years he has stolen 23, 6, 23, 21, 12, and 18 steals, in order. I have no idea why he only stole 6 although I think it would be related to this: One of the outliers, when he stold 12 bases in 2006, was in a season where he had injured his ankle and missed 15 games. The ankle affected his steals and his power numbers all year.
Jones has never stolen more than 13 bases and those numbers have fallen to 9 and 6 in the past 2 years. Also, he's a horrifyingly bad baserunner. (yahoo)
Advantage: Hunter, again, not that close.
3. Surprisingly, Jones's R/L splits weren't as stark as they have been in years past. For example, in 2006 he hit .234 against lefties and .303 against righties. This past season he hit .295 against lefties and .283 agasint righties. This is partly due to smarter use of Jones by Piniella I'd assume but it's interesting nonetheless. Hunter's career splits are somewhat different for his career, hitting .282 vs. lefties and .267 against righties but he has destroyed lefties in 06 and 07, hitting .319 and .314 respectively. (yahoo)
Advantage: Push
4. Defense. You would think it would Hunter by a mile but as it turns out, Jones played a pretty damn good CF for us. His RATE2 was 118, and his FRAA2 was 13. Hunter's RATE2 was only 103 and his FRAA2 was just 2. I'm not quite sure what to make of this but it seems that the advantage would go to Jones. If you look at the positions where he played the majority of his games in Minnesota, he actually played well above average defense. Hunter had three spectacular years around the turn of the Millenium but has been surprisingly average since then. (baseball prospectus)
I'm not quite ready to dismiss years of Hunter making spectacular plays and Jones bouncing the ball into second but...
Advantage: Jones.
So...it seems that offensively, it's Hunter by a mile, defensively, the stats tell us it's Jones but our heads tell us it's Hunter.
I think I've proven my point. Hunter is a better player than Jones and the past 2 years have contributed to that. Hunter has had WARP3s of 7.5 and 8.2 while Jones has only had 5.8 and 4.5. (prospectus).
I'm not recommending we sign Hunter for a lot of reasons, one of them being Felix Pie but, I mean, if we were to trade Pie for someone, it wouldn't hurt to have an outfielder who has the capability of hitting 30 jacks (31 in 06 and 28 in 07) and steal 20 bases. Age is a concern. The contract would have to be short and for the right price, but...do not call Torii Hunter Jacques Jones.
by tal1286 on
Nov 1, 2007 11:57 AM CDT
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Thanks
by HectorVillanueva on
Nov 1, 2007 12:28 PM CDT
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I, too, agree
With that being said, I still think there are better and cheaper options for our outfield.
by philadelphiacub on
Nov 1, 2007 1:48 PM CDT
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Well for FA's
Trade-wise....Carl Crawford? It's what we'd have to give up.
by blackhawk24 on
Nov 1, 2007 1:57 PM CDT
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You are right ,
Hunter (2007): 600 AB, 40 BB, 101 K, .334 OBP.
Jones (2007): 453 AB, 34 BB, 70 K, .335 OBP.
Hunter (Lifetime): 4492 AB, 319 BB, 870 K, .324 OBP
Jones (Lifetime): 4478 AB, 300 BB, 923 K, .329 OBP
Very similar here. Jacque strikes out a bit more but has a slightly higher OBP due to a better average. They walk about the same which isn't good.
by rlpete on
Nov 1, 2007 2:40 PM CDT
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fair enough
by tal1286 on
Nov 1, 2007 8:08 PM CDT
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Bringing the Far East to Wrigley
Kuroda (since he seems to like the Cubs)
Fukodome (fills the RF hole, and is a lefty who works counts)
If the Cubs can land BOTH of these guys, they get the benefit of coming over together (lessens the impact of being alone/unfamiliar with the language), AND they fill needs the Cubs have (rotation and RF/LH batter).
Plus, they cost a hell of a lot less than ARod.
Come on Trader Jim...make it happen!
by Chadnudj on Nov 1, 2007 11:23 AM CDT 0 recs
I think Hendry
by MPH73 on
Nov 1, 2007 11:35 AM CDT
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Fukudome
Here's a video of an at-bat:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=YFfGgSTZwfg
There are more. Search for Fukudome.
by John Q Freejazz on
Nov 1, 2007 12:15 PM CDT
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I think Fukodome
So, is the field going to be lower after this project or not? I thought it was going to be as low as the dugouts, so no more steps down. Is that wrong?
by bleacher on Nov 1, 2007 11:38 AM CDT 0 recs
Some additional noteworthy news
Let the DUI jokes commence...
by dat cubfan daver on Nov 1, 2007 11:46 AM CDT 0 recs
The best DUI joke
by HectorVillanueva on
Nov 1, 2007 11:54 AM CDT
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re: The best DUI joke
by dat cubfan daver on
Nov 1, 2007 12:13 PM CDT
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The Lions coach
by RynoHoF on
Nov 1, 2007 2:31 PM CDT
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However
by rlpete on
Nov 1, 2007 2:42 PM CDT
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The Elias Sports Bureau...
by cwyers on Nov 1, 2007 12:04 PM CDT 0 recs
Prbbably not
by DGU on
Nov 1, 2007 12:37 PM CDT
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More off-topic news (albeit from yesterday)
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-whitesoxmoves&prov=ap&type=lgns
by ballhawk on Nov 1, 2007 12:27 PM CDT 0 recs
Voted in the Frick balloting
by bleacher on Nov 1, 2007 12:41 PM CDT 0 recs
Just now noticed that Ria Cortesio...
by cwyers on Nov 1, 2007 12:45 PM CDT 0 recs
NO HEADLINES?!
Just what's gotten into you lately?
by TheEman on Nov 1, 2007 1:15 PM CDT 0 recs
LMAO
by Al on
Nov 1, 2007 1:34 PM CDT
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Indeed, I hope the Brewers
by TheEman on
Nov 1, 2007 2:55 PM CDT
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Rusch
DmL
by dmlichte on
Nov 1, 2007 3:06 PM CDT
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"Thax"=
by TheEman on Nov 1, 2007 1:15 PM CDT 0 recs
Cortesio
by Kyle Turney on Nov 1, 2007 2:06 PM CDT 0 recs
But the question is...
Were they afraid that she MIGHT make it because she was good, so they deliberately reduced their rating so they could let her go?
by Al on
Nov 1, 2007 3:54 PM CDT
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Minor League Umpires
DmL
by dmlichte on
Nov 1, 2007 5:05 PM CDT
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Being top-rated...
by Kyle Turney on
Nov 1, 2007 6:01 PM CDT
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You have to...
by Al on
Nov 1, 2007 3:53 PM CDT
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Can someone please explain all the hype and love
by CubsBall2202 on Nov 1, 2007 3:56 PM CDT 0 recs
They are players who haven't failed yet in the ML
Fukudome does not look like he is as good as Hideki Matsui, but his Japanese stats look very good. I don't think he will be better than, say, Cliff Floyd, as a hitter, but he will have better defense.
Kuroda is interesting, as MLBTR had this to say today about him:
Hiroki Kuroda - One number to remember here: 300, as in 300 feet to left and 300 feet to right. That's the stadium Kuroda spent 10 years in, and still he managed to post a sub-2.00 ERA in 2006 and go 13-6. What could he do in Petco with 67 extra feet to left to play with? Tak says that at the least, he's an innings eater.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2007/11/ranking-japanes.html
That 300 ft down the line stat should remind us about how difficult it can be to translate performance in the Japanese leagues to the American. If Fukudome can hit 30 HR in Japan, well, how many of those went 305 ft?
Back to Kuroda - I'm not convinced he'll really be better than Jason Marquis - which is valuable at one level, but in my view, what the Cubs need is the kind of pitcher that can shut offenses down in the post-season, and I don't think Kuroda will be that.
Here's a question for the Fukudome supporters - given that a bunch of teams seem interested in Fukudome and he could easily be up at 3 years 30 million - is the risk/reward on Fukudome better than it would be on Ryan Church or Brad Wilkerson, given their comparative costs?
by DGU on
Nov 1, 2007 4:35 PM CDT
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So why in the world would people here be
by CubsBall2202 on
Nov 1, 2007 5:46 PM CDT
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The unknown is always intriguing...
The Floyd/Marquis comparisons may or may not be accurate. These guys could be similar in production, or they could be better or worse. No one really knows. We can say that their ceilings are probably not great, but we don't really know what their risks or expectations will be.
by SouthernCub on
Nov 1, 2007 8:26 PM CDT
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Money is less expensive...
Wilkerson has no risk, other than injury risk (not insubstantial, by the way!), but there's very little upside. He's likely to hit right around the league average, and his defense in right field has to be highly suspect even before you factor in his shoulder surgery.
Fukudome, if nothing else, is guaranteed to be a plus defender in right field.
The arguement for signing Japanese players is that what you are essentially doing is buying the equivelent of top prospects, near their prime years, with nothing but money -- no draft pick compensation, no trading away your young talent.
Now, just like any prospect, there is risk/reward involved, but a big-market club like the Cubs can better afford to take on the monetary risk than, say, the Brewers. If the Cubs want to make sure they're staying competative in the NL Central, and if they're not developing young talent to the same extent as our rivals, one way we can make up ground WITHOUT sacrificing what we do have in the minors is to get into the Japanese player market.
No, Fukudome doesn't have light-tower power. What he DOES have is good plate discipline, a high walk rate, and a left-handed bat without platoon issues. He's also a plus defender, and he plays right field. His strengths match up with our needs in a spectacular fashion.
I'd rather get a plus shortstop from somewhere, but there aren't any available in free agency, unless you can get A-Rod and move him, or take a gamble on Cuban defector Alexei Ramirez, who I'm not at all convinced is MLB-ready. So Fukudome is the palyer I'd like to see the Cubs target.
by cwyers on
Nov 1, 2007 7:43 PM CDT
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Yes and no
I'd say Wilkerson still has upside, given that he had an average OPS+ of 117 while in Montreal before the shoulder injury. If he's healthy, (an if the Cubs should be able to determine before signing him) he has at least as much OBP/SLG upside as Fukudome.
This is just an honest question, not an argument - that Fukudome has no platoon issues in Japan - will that definitely translate to the ML?
Here's the biggest question for me - what is he going to cost in money? If the Cubs only have 15 mill to spend, I'd rather spend the lion's share of that on a potential #2 starter than on a guy who would be a definite but not massive upgrade on Jacque Jones. Yes, OBP is important, but a pitcher who can win games in the playoffs is more important.
Of course, if $s not an issue, then sign them all.
by DGU on
Nov 1, 2007 9:26 PM CDT
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Nothing's certain...
Wilkerson... like I said, defensively suspect in right field. And the last thing we need is more left fielders.
The other point I'd like to make is that money spent on Japanese players is not exactly the same as money spent on American players -- especially players like Fukudome. Look at the Mariners -- they've been able to have revenues in excess of their market because of Ichiro, and the Japanese fanbase they have because of Ichiro.
Fukudome is not as big a star as Ichiro, but he is a legitimate Japanese star. A portion of his contract could be viewed as an investment in raising the Cubs' profile in Japan, not necessarily in his on-field production.
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