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Rumors Of Kendall Swirling In Milwaukee

This is the first time I've posted anything here, but I've been reading the site for the whole of last season.  I grew up in Hanover Park and I've been a Cubs fan my whole life, but I'm going to school up here in Milwaukee at UW.  The Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel is carrying a report in this mornings edition that the Brewers are working quite hard on a deal for Former Cubs C Jason Kendall, with GM Doug Melvin expecting something to be done before Thanksgiving Day.

Obviously, this is just a rumor and like all others of its kind should be taken with a grain of salt.  But the wording in the article makes it sound like a reliable rumor, if thats not some kind of oxymoron.

To me, this seems like nothing but good news for the Cubs.  Yes, Kendall had some nice moments for us last year.  But I fail to see how anyone can say that Soto is not a vast improvement over Kendall in almost every facet of a catcher's game.  And furthermore, although the catching market is slim pickings this year and the Brewers were not likely to end up with a star, it is nice to know that for all those games next year here and in Milwaukee, we'll have one less hitting threat to contend against.

The Cubs should also have a bigger speed component next year, with Soriano healthy and Pie possibly in center.  If we're going to be stealing bases, it can't hurt to have Kendall backing up the plate for the other team.

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If we have a speedy team
I'd love to face a team with Kendall behind the plate 18 times a season.  Let's just hope we fill our holes with high on base guys that like to run.

by HectorVillanueva on Nov 20, 2007 10:57 AM CST reply actions  

the best part
Based on what I've read, if the brewers sign him soon, they'll end up owing us a sandwich pick.

If they wait until after the arbitration deadline (december 7th-ish) they'll owe us nothing, since the cubs will definitely not offer Kendall arbitration.

By signing him soon, however, baseball makes the assumption in the benefit of the old team (namely the cubs), and the brewers will owe us a draft pick.

I'm not positive on this, but it sounds right.

by Thelonious on Nov 20, 2007 11:40 AM CST reply actions  

A clarification
The Brewers won't actually give up anything. A sandwich pick doesn't come from another team. Between the first and second rounds is the sandwich round where teams who are owed compensation picks for Type B free agents make selections. That round is only as long as there is compensation to assign. The only way that it impacts other teams is that it just pushes back the selection. So if you get the first pick of the second round, rather than it being the 31st overall selection, it's 31 + X, with X being the number of picks in the sandwich round.

So the Brewers don't lose anything. The only think that they might care about is keeping the Cubs from receiving a compensatory pick. My guess is that this is not a real concern with them.

DmL

by dmlichte on Nov 20, 2007 11:45 AM CST up reply actions  

ah, true
forgot about that. These compensation/drafting regulations are convoluted.

by Thelonious on Nov 20, 2007 11:53 AM CST up reply actions  

Thats almost right...
From my understanding, it won't be the Brewers owing us a pick, but we will receive a pick in the Compensatory Draft.

Something to do with the new bargaining agreement and the fact that Kendall is a Class-B free agent.

Don't quote me on that.  I'm not in any way, shape, or form familiar with the rules governing this stuff.  I just like baseball.

by cublessinmilwaukee on Nov 20, 2007 11:45 AM CST reply actions  

Yes
MLB changed compensation rules before last year's free agent class. There was some talk that they were  going to do away with compensation all together.

Cliff notes of how it now works.

- Type A free agents (top 20% over the previous two seasons, by position as determined he Elias Sports Bureau): If they are offered arbitration or if they are signed before the arbitration deadline their former team receives compensation from the team who signs the player. If the signing team has a draft pick in the first half (top 15 picks) of the draft,  they surrender their second round selection.

If a team signs more than 1 Type-A free agent who has been offered arbitration, they give up additional draft picks. The higher round pick goes to the team who lost the higher ranked player.

- Type B free agents (next 20%): If they are offered arbitration their old team will receive a compensation pick in a sandwich round between the first and second rounds. The order of the compensation round is determined by the ranking as determined by Elias.

Of course, teams that decline to offer arbitration to their own free agents receive no compensation.

DmL

by dmlichte on Nov 20, 2007 12:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes
but the Cubs did get Josh Donaldson as the compensatory pick for Juan Pierre, so that can be very good for us, although it wouldn't stop the Brewers from signing whomever they wanted.

The funny thing is that I believe two years ago, the Giants were declining arbitration to players who had already signed with other teams and signing other player who weren't going to be offered arbitration before the Dec 7 deadline because they actively didn't want draft picks.  They didn't want to pay the bonuses to amateur players.  This is why the Giants stink, by the way.

The artist formerly known as JoshinLA

by Josh Timmers on Nov 20, 2007 1:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Great news for the Cubs
Not only will they get a sandwich pick, but they can save the $10M they were going to spend on KazMat.  DeRo can steal 2B easily with Kendall behind the plate.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007

by DeRoMyHero on Nov 20, 2007 11:54 AM CST reply actions  

KazMat....DeRo
A-rod, K-rod, J-rod, A-ram, D lee, etc. etc. etc.

I'm not an old man (22), so I wasn't around during previous baseball generations, but I DO know that today's nicknames SUCK. We need some more creativity here....these nicknames are horrible and annoying.

by Thelonious on Nov 20, 2007 12:14 PM CST up reply actions  

So,
you'd prefer it if people did not start calling you TDru?

by HectorVillanueva on Nov 20, 2007 12:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Really?
MMMMM...Turkey, stuffing, corn, and vegetable pizza! Happy Thanksgiving everyone!

by Kinky Reggae on Nov 20, 2007 12:46 PM CST up reply actions  

KazMat...
... I kind of like, because it's a play on "Hazmat", TV-station-speak for "Hazardous material spill".

The others, I agree, are pretty worthless.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Nov 20, 2007 2:00 PM CST up reply actions  

What was that Baker nickname for Derrek Lee?
It was something prehistoric, I think.

Anway, I'm up for more creative nicknames.  Although I'm not sure the old nicknames I loved ("The Sarge" "The Penguin" "Ryno") were all that creative, either. I guess in comparison to the letter shortening variety they are.

Maybe this revamped nickname project needs its own diary.  

by DGU on Nov 20, 2007 1:44 PM CST up reply actions  

84 team
It was really incredible, just about everyone of those guys had a nickname, Ryno, Sarge, Penguin, Rainbow, Red Baron, The Bull, The Deer.  
Eamus Ursuli!

by WGNstatic on Nov 20, 2007 2:06 PM CST up reply actions  

actually..
now that you mention it, I think I remember people did this about a year ago, but most of them post at LOHO now, so you'd have to go over there to find out what they made up.

I do know that they refer to Cedeno as E6, and Scott Eyre as stumples, both of which I approve.

by Thelonious on Nov 20, 2007 2:18 PM CST up reply actions  

I feel bad about "stumples"
I like Eyre and that came from one my infamous typos when
was describing the Lee/Furcal collision and mistakenly typed that Eyre stumpled instead of stumbled. I think we should just call him "stevie" now.
"It's the Cubbies. There's always a vibe. It's the greatest vibe in baseball." Greg Maddux on Cub fan's optimism even after the 06 debacle.

by jessica on Nov 20, 2007 5:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Answer
Rodan...which was a movie monster kind of like a prehistoric reptile with a huge wing span.  
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. -- Lee Constantine Elia, 1983.

by krummy12 on Nov 20, 2007 2:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Rodan is actually
a good nickname.  It's better than DLee.

Nicknames have been dying since the 1960s. (How can you beat Dr. Strangeglove?) Part of the problem is that the baseball writers of old (the Shirley Povich generation) were leaving the profession in favor of the Dick Young types.  The old generation didn't go to modern Journalism schools and thought of themselves as writers first (and of course, there were sportswriters like Ring Lardner who became successful writers outside the sport) and thought nothing of spicing up a story about a ballplayer by making up a colorful nickname for them.  

The new generation went to J-School and wanted to know what really went on in the clubhouse.  They worshipped at the altar of objectivity and thought it was a sin to insert their own voice into a story.  They wanted to know what they players called each other.  That's how guys like Carl Yaztremski got the "great" nickname of "Yaz."  Boring and unimaginative.

Then comes Chris Berman, who almost singlehandedly destroyed what was left of nicknames.  A nickname is not a pun.  (Although occasionally Berman did hit one, like calling Rex Hudler "The Wonder Dog.")

And a first initial and a first syllable of a last name is definitely not a nickname.

I love guys who have real nicknames.  Unfortunately, they are few and far between.  That Alex Rodriguez is "ARod" and not "The Miami Masher" leaves our sport for the worse.

Where have you gone, Oil Can Boyd?  Our nation turns it's lonely eyes to you.  Woo hoo hoo.

The artist formerly known as JoshinLA

by Josh Timmers on Nov 20, 2007 3:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Much as I detest Hawk Harrelson...
... he's the one responsible for "The Big Hurt" and "El Caballo", two very good modern nicknames.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Nov 20, 2007 4:08 PM CST up reply actions  

True
n/t
The artist formerly known as JoshinLA

by Josh Timmers on Nov 21, 2007 1:13 AM CST up reply actions  

I agree with your diary...
...and welcome aboard. The only question is, if Kendall goes to the Brew Crew, who will be Soto's backup?  If Blanco is healthy, he'd be a fine choice. But seeing as how he wasn't able to get particularly healthy at any point during the 2007 season, I wonder whether Henry will ever be back. I suppose Koyie Hill is still out there somewhere...
Ladies and gentlemen, your 2008 Chicago Cubs starting outfield: Soriano-Pie-Fukudome. Let it be.

by daver on Nov 20, 2007 12:58 PM CST reply actions  

Well Blanco/Hill is not a terrible backup combo
It's dirt cheap and both are familiar with the Cubs pitchers.  I figure with Soto being younger, you might only see those guys once a week to a week and a half.  

Backup catchers are usually pretty bad, so it's not a terrible loss if Blanco/Hill is what we end up with.  If we could only trade for Shoppach, that would be awesome.  

by IllinoisCubs on Nov 20, 2007 3:31 PM CST up reply actions  

actually
the cubs are paying blanco a ton, relatively speaking. For what he'll do for us as an aging backup catcher, the few million we're giving him is ridiculous. And this is coming from a hank blanco fan, mind you.

by Thelonious on Nov 20, 2007 3:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Blanco...
... is only under contract for one more year, at (IIRC) $2.5 million, which isn't all that much in today's market. If he can't play, insurance would pick up most of that and the Cubs could find any number of cheaper options (Hill being one of those).
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Nov 20, 2007 4:09 PM CST up reply actions  

yes
but relatively speaking, that's a lot of money for 40 games of blanco. Extrapolate that into a 120 game season that a regular catcher might play, and you can see how 2.5 million is a relative waste for his services.

In absolute dollars it doesn't amount to much, so this isn't a huge deal. This is a silly allocation of money, though.

by Thelonious on Nov 20, 2007 5:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Brewers trade Estrada
This according to the Milwaukee Journal Sentinal

http://blogs.jsonline.com/brewers/archive/2007/11/20/brewers-trade-estrada-to-mets-signing-kendall-i s-next.aspx

This likely is a precursor to a signing of Jason Kendall. Its had to believe that Estrada would be traded without his replacement in tow.

DmL

by dmlichte on Nov 20, 2007 5:34 PM CST reply actions  

Estrada must be a walking cancer
How else can you explain a catcher who hits .280 and slugs .400 playing on his 4th team in 4 years?  

by rlpete on Nov 20, 2007 8:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Normally I do it by figuring that...
...most baseball GMs are mediocre at evaluating the relative value of baseball players.

I could be wrong, but it gives me comfort at nights.

FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Nov 20, 2007 8:22 PM CST up reply actions  

And that is exactly the reason...
... that the statistical "value" of baseball players is not the only thing that affects whether an individual fits on a team or not.

I have heard in several places that Estrada was a terrible clubhouse guy, much as Todd Walker was. Todd Walker was a useful player statistically, and did produce fairly well as a Cub. There is a reason he wore out his welcome in six different cities very quickly, and it has nothing to do with his decent .289/.348/.435 career stats.

My feeling is that Estrada is the same type of person. Pretty good at baseball, bad at getting along with his teammates and manager.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Nov 21, 2007 4:48 AM CST up reply actions  

Estrada with the Braves
I'm not sure that he was a bad clubhouse guy (didn't read anything either way), but he drove Bobby Cox crazy by dogging it routinely.  He has good catching skills, but often got lazy about blocking low pitches -- reaching with his glove rather than shifting his body.  And granted he is slower than slow, but his fastset pace on the bases was a slow jog.  He couldn't score from second even if the OF kicked the ball, because he never ran hard (or even medium) between 2B and 3B.  He has only one gear -- LETHARGIC.  Pitchers do seem to like throwing to him, and he is a switch-hitter, but he doesn't hit enough HRs to justify walking out fly balls.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007

by DeRoMyHero on Nov 21, 2007 12:35 PM CST up reply actions  

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