ESPN Trade Games
I heard Waddle and Silvy on ESPN 1000 talking about trade rumors regarding the Cubs. Silvy threw this idea out there and I was shocked at how amazingly bad it sounded, but after a second thought it seems very nice for both ends. Wanted to know what you guys thought out there.
Minnesota gives up Johan Santana
Cubs give up - Hill, Marmol, Pie, Prior (we pay Prior's salary)
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"Jon Heyman said yesterday the Twins would want Melky Cabrera plus one of Hughes/Chamberlain/Kennedy."
now melky is good, but id say pie projects to be at least as good and hopefully better. ian kennedy is nothing special, a good pitcher and prospect, but id take marmol over him in a heartbeat. throw in rich hill, and i dont like the trade for the cubs.
call me crazy, i just dont think its worth it for the cubs to give up pie, marmol and hill for johan who, while he may be considered "the best in the game" he sure wasnt last year, and his stats have been trending in the wrong direction.
id love to have him, but not at that price. i hope the cubs stay far away from johan santana talks.
by kylejo on Nov 28, 2007 12:01 PM CST 0 recs
The Twins would want more
by rlpete on
Nov 28, 2007 12:26 PM CST
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never will happen
by Believeincubbieblue23 on Nov 28, 2007 12:08 PM CST 0 recs
Twins might be looking grin for a few years...
Santana is reported to be quite expensive,
The Twins tried to lock up Santana too, but he's interested in a deal that could approach six years and $150 million.(...)
The Yankees, Red Sox and Angels are three teams known to have talked with the Twins about Santana. The Twins are aiming high, asking for as many as four players in return.
...and talks with the team are not doing well.
And apparently, Joe Nathan is feeling some itchy feet also.
From the article:
There are indications from some club officials that if Santana is dealt, they also might look to move closer Joe Nathan, who will make $6 million in 2008.Nathan's situation mirrors Santana's. Both are considered among the best at their positions. Both can become free agents after the 2008 season. The Twins have been unsuccessful in trying to sign either to long-term deals. Both could fetch quality players who could help keep the club competitive, although the return for Santana likely would be much greater.
Now, the Cubs do not need Nathan - we're well-situated in the closer/late innings/fireman area, with Marmol, Howry, and Wood. Still, I don't see the Twins having much upside from this. They're going to have a new stadium in 2010 (and Midway Stadium right now is better than the Deflato-Dome for baseball!) and in all probability, an awful team to open it.
And we don't need to give up three or four people for Santana. He's good, but he's not that good.
by MN exile on Nov 28, 2007 12:17 PM CST 0 recs
I have no idea why you think the Twins might...
Dan
by dtpollitt on
Nov 28, 2007 1:16 PM CST
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Phew.... for a minute there,
White.
Sox.
;-)
by ballhawk on
Nov 28, 2007 4:59 PM CST
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The key to the whole idea
However, because such certainty is impossible, no. That's too much to give up for a one year rental.
by HectorVillanueva on Nov 28, 2007 12:21 PM CST 0 recs
100% agreed.
by Al on
Nov 28, 2007 12:49 PM CST
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Hill, Marmol, Pie, and Prior...
by IllinoisCubs on Nov 28, 2007 12:26 PM CST 0 recs
Only way you make the trade is Santana is extended
Santana's perceived price: CF'er and real deal MLB ready player (Cabrera & Hughes?) plus another?
But Santana is a one year player who could do a Randy Johnson and retool a team. So with ESPN's thoughts let us break this down.
Trading Hill, Pie, Marmol, and Prior, Cubs pay Mark's arbitration offering of 20% less.
Pie the more I think about Pie he might be fool's gold and someone who either is messed up mechanically and needs time to develop. This might not be available in chicago. Marmol with a devastating slider/curve could also be fool's gold as a potential closer. Hill, unless he picks up a genuine out pitch straight change is going to be a journeyman SP in the major leagues but not a true top of the order pitcher. Trading Hill slots Marshall who is younger and possibly can learn that straight change. Prior is going to go FA when he is ready and could be another Mark the Bird.
As a CF'er to replace Pie the Cubs have a pair or trio of prospects in Fuld, Patterson and Colvin being their best athlete to replace the touted Pie. If this takes place Cubs could sign suspended Cameron and have Patterson and Fuld compete for the first two months until he is ready.
The situation then is would Santana change the team into a genuine WS contender, well not by himself where the Cubs still need a RF'er (Fukudome) but a starting rotation of Santana-Z-Lilly-Marshall-(Marquis or Dempster or Gallagher) would be the best in the NL. A bullpen without Marmol but with Wood-Howry-Eyre-Wuertz-Hart-would be good if they remained healthy.
Ironically the Twins could end up with both Prior and Mauer,the two celebrated concensus number one draft picks of 02. but I think Prior will never be the same, so then would the loss of Hill be harmful? Not if Marshall replaces him with similar performance. Would Marmol be harmful, I actually think he is a Dotel like and not a super star, and would Pie be harmful. Maybe but then maybe Patterson or Colvin would be better. Patterson is a better hitter. Colvin might be a better athlete and hitter also. the thing is Pie seems to have a lot work in front of him but then again things could click and his athleticsm could emerge. The question than is would the Cubs do a Z type deal for Santana?
by Ivy Walls on Nov 28, 2007 1:17 PM CST 0 recs
The Twins need a 3rd baseman
Hill, Pie, DeRosa and a minor leaguer or 2 is a very good offer.
by cubswin on
Nov 28, 2007 5:55 PM CST
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The Twins have a 3B...
Dan
by dtpollitt on
Nov 28, 2007 7:43 PM CST
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What if
I'd hope that would at least get you in the discussion for one year of Santana.
by circuitclout on
Nov 28, 2007 9:13 PM CST
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If we're going to fantasize like that...
by cwyers on
Nov 28, 2007 11:10 PM CST
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one things for sure...
by cubsluver22 on Nov 28, 2007 1:47 PM CST 0 recs
Except...
Yes, that'd be what it would take, which is why Santana is likely to stay put until the trading deadline, when a desperate team will pony up even more than that.
Or maybe the Twins will somehow find themselves in contention again and they won't deal him.
by Al on
Nov 28, 2007 5:23 PM CST
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dont matter
by cubsluver22 on
Nov 28, 2007 7:40 PM CST
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Well, exactly.
by Al on
Nov 29, 2007 9:13 AM CST
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MLBTR Wrote
Surprisingly, this was the second domino! OK, I'll let it go... ;-)
by initram on Nov 28, 2007 4:46 PM CST 0 recs


















