I do not see the harm

by BALLGIRL on Dec 10, 2007 12:22 PM CST

in someone giving their opinion as to who may or may not have been on the juice. Using the term Mcarthyism as Ive read it here on several posts seems out of line to me as there is no way any of these comments are going to be used against any player , causing them to lose there jobs or cause their reputations to be harmed. Also , as I agree with other posters , these comments are also not libel , they are simply opinions that DO have relevency as to which players get signed , or not , and by which team . It is intesting that many posters will defend players , mostly Cubs players of course , that they do not know personally or will ever have a conversation with much less a freindship . Personally I would chose to defend those fellow BCB posters who have been slammed by others on this site with swearing , ridiculing , and in at least one instance calling someone a liar.

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Why Could This Not Have Been a Post Under...

... the existing diary?

Please reconsider.

This is who I think the Cubs #1 should be...

by initram on Dec 10, 2007 12:13 PM CST reply actions

Good god you're incoherent

It may not be libel but any such accusations or speculations are spurious at best and dangerous at worst.

Without access to any direct evidence you're just pulling these "opinions" out of your butt based on indirect observation. Wait for the damn report, which will be, by the way, based on actual evidence and not specious allegations.

If you can't see why that kind of talk is pointless, harmful, and dangerous then there's really no getting through to you.

by Wreckard on Dec 10, 2007 12:13 PM CST reply actions

I have used the term McCarthyism

and here's why:

McCarthyism was a political witch hunt in which people were accused of acts that were supposedly detrimental to the U.S. by being a communist without any form of evidence to support their claims.

Some people want to label baseball players as being steroid users, which some feel is detrimental to the integrity of baseball, without any evidence to support their claims.

I think the correlation between the two is very relevant as this blog is read by not only fans but also baseball personal and writers. If we are to start rumors into who used steroid or who did not use steroids is, in and of itself, a steroid witch hunt. I, for one, love this site and feel it ruins the integrity of it by constant diaries labeling players as steroid users without any proof or evidence.

Even MLBTR uses some sort of source for their wild trade claims, people who want to say players used steroid use absolutely no evidence to support their claims besides a hunch or their gut feelings.

"Prince Fielder Dies Of Inside-The-Park Homerun" - The Onion

by DTJchris on Dec 10, 2007 12:18 PM CST reply actions

Lets go back shall we ...............

Wasn't Jason Bay another guy that was never on anyone's radar then suddenly he became a major producer? Again, NOT an accusation "Prince Fielder Dies Of Inside-The-Park Homerun" - The Onion by DTJchris on Wednesday, October 24, 2007 at 12:43 PM CT [ Parent ] FOR SOMEONE WHO LIKES TO CALL OUT THOSE WHO NAME NAMES THIS COMMENT IN THE STEROID DIARY SURE SEEMS A LITTLE HYPOCRITICAL .

by BALLGIRL on Dec 10, 2007 2:56 PM CST up reply actions

How is that a sign of steroid use?

Can you name examples of known steroid users who went from nothing to something?

To me, I see a lot of guys who went from very good to great (Bonds, Giambi) and from mediocre to above average (all of those middle relievers who've been caught, etc).

I can't think of any examples of guys who went from hitting 10 home runs a year to suddenly hitting 50, even though that's the popular conception of what steroids can do.

by Wreckard on Dec 10, 2007 3:30 PM CST up reply actions

Brady Anderson

allegedly...

"Not true at all. Vaseline is manufactured right here in the United States." - Don Sutton, about the rumors that he uses a foreign substance on the ball

by Orangeman94 on Dec 10, 2007 8:24 PM CST up reply actions

Allegedly.

There's no proof whatsoever that he used, only speculation, again based on this assumption that it can turn average players into Babe freakin Ruth.

by Wreckard on Dec 10, 2007 11:54 PM CST up reply actions

You Didn't Ask For Proof

You just asked for an example of someone that went from hitting 10 home runs a year, to hitting 50. Brady Anderson is your example.

by markleonette on Dec 11, 2007 12:00 AM CST up reply actions

And...

... immediately went back to his previous HR level after his 50-HR season.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Dec 11, 2007 3:39 AM CST up reply actions

No....

I asked for "examples of known steroid users who went from nothing to something".

Known steroid users. We do not know if Anderson did steroids, we only suspect. And again, that suspicion is based on the specious assumption that steroids can turn Jimmy Olson into Superman.

by Wreckard on Dec 11, 2007 9:27 AM CST up reply actions

Using this level pf evidence

there are only about 10-12 players who are "known users". MLB, as you know, has only had a testing process running for a couple of years now.

by NO100 on Dec 11, 2007 10:47 AM CST up reply actions

What other standard should we use?

One where we just base our accusations on statistics and appearances?

We have no basis for believing that steroids can have that kind of impact on a player. Home runs haven't decreased since testing began, but people are ignoring that. There are other possible explanations for the radically different performance of guys like Anderson and Luis Gonzalez, but people have made up their minds.

In a way it will be a relief when the Mitchell report comes out Thursday because we'll actually have evidence on some players, so maybe we can get away from these baseless accusations and stick to impeaching the provably guilty.

by Wreckard on Dec 11, 2007 11:32 AM CST up reply actions

Brett Boone

Even Jose Canseco made a reference to Boone's sudden power surge when traded from the Padres to the Mariners, in his book. If I recall, Canseco relates it as -- Boone never answers Canseco's question, when he implies what's happening -- Boone allegedly gives Canseco a -- "wink."

Of course, you have to take Canseco's words as face value -- there's no proof this incident actually took place.

Boone, who was in a free-agent contract year, went to the Mariners at the age of 32 -- he goes from 19 to 37 HR's, in 2001 -- moving from a hitters to a pitchers park. (Qualcomm to Safeco) He has his career years at ages 32, 33, 34. (He signed a multi-year deal with the Mariners at the start of the 2002 season)

And, when steroid talk starts to roll around the majors, his career falls off the table and ends abruptly -- he's finished by 2005, essentially. Note the dramatic drop in his stats (see link below)

Does this sound like a natural career progression to you??

He even 'authored' an article for Playboy Magazine, which I still have somewhere -- the theme of it was "How I went from a weakling to a powerhouse" and he chalked it all up to 'better diet" and to 'working out' for the first time in his career.

I really didn't believe the story at the time (there was no talk of drugging then) and wondered how a washed-up hitter could suddenly double his power output.

Boone flew under the radar, I allege -- he did the 'roids, and got out of baseball before the headlines started flying. Just because you stopped eating cheeseburgers and hit the gym 10 hours a day in your 30s -- no way does that translate to how his career skyrockted in his early 30's.

It's a mini Barry Bonds story, really -- but his career progression is on a smaller scale, as compared to Bonds. I think Boone did what he did to save his career, and get that last mega-buck contract with Seattle. There's no proof, obviously.

But it's all suspicious, to me.

Boone's stats:

tp://www.baseball-reference.com/b/boonebr01.shtml

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Dec 11, 2007 1:59 PM CST up reply actions

re: Brett Boone

Interesting stuff! Made even more interesting by the fact that your post comes immediately after a post entitled "Soulja Boy".

Ladies and gentlemen, your 2008 Chicago Cubs starting outfield: Soriano-Pie-Fukudome. Let it be.

by daver on Dec 11, 2007 2:11 PM CST up reply actions

And by the way

It took me 10 minutes to figure out what you were saying, but the unintentional hilarity of this is off the charts:

"Prince Fielder Dies Of Inside-The-Park Homerun" - The Onion by DTJchris on Wednesday, October 24, 2007 at 12:43 PM CT
FOR SOMEONE WHO LIKES TO CALL OUT THOSE WHO NAME NAMES THIS COMMENT IN THE STEROID DIARY SURE SEEMS A LITTLE HYPOCRITICAL .

by Wreckard on Dec 10, 2007 3:32 PM CST up reply actions

No kidding...

... considering that was a quoted headline from a satirical publication, rather than something that DTJChris, who is a well-respected poster on this site, actually said himself.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Dec 10, 2007 3:39 PM CST up reply actions

Hey, Thanks Al!

"Prince Fielder Dies Of Inside-The-Park Homerun" - The Onion

by DTJchris on Dec 10, 2007 3:46 PM CST up reply actions

Are you really that clueless?

Or are you just reaching that far? Using a headline from a satirical newspaper poking fun at the weight of a player is much different than using complete and udder speculation to claim a player was using ILLEGAL substances is much, much different.

Wow, seriously, get a clue

"Prince Fielder Dies Of Inside-The-Park Homerun" - The Onion

by DTJchris on Dec 10, 2007 3:34 PM CST up reply actions

re: Lets go back shall we ...............

I'm starting to think maybe this isn't KOW but someone twice as crazy -- which is really saying something.

Ladies and gentlemen, your 2008 Chicago Cubs starting outfield: Soriano-Pie-Fukudome. Let it be.

by daver on Dec 10, 2007 3:35 PM CST up reply actions

No kidding.

These are some of the wackiest posts I've ever seen here -- by anyone, and that is, as you say, really saying something.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Dec 10, 2007 3:42 PM CST up reply actions

First of all...

this really seems like KOW under yet another login.

That said, this topic has come up numerous times in the last few weeks, with the same consensus sentiments. Maybe it's time to acknowledge that the community has settled on a position, and move on. At least until the actual report is made available.

by Damen Jackson on Dec 10, 2007 12:22 PM CST reply actions

You thought that too, huh?

It's almost like you could use her diary titles as found poetry:

Remember back in the 70s?
Is it just me?
What about names not on the report?
I do not see the harm.

And, hell, it's not like we weren't discussing this in her last diary or anything.

FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Dec 10, 2007 12:28 PM CST up reply actions

Strange...

I had the same feeling as well.

If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, well...

"Prince Fielder Dies Of Inside-The-Park Homerun" - The Onion

by DTJchris on Dec 10, 2007 12:31 PM CST up reply actions

a quacking KOW?

now I've seen everything.

by Thelonious on Dec 10, 2007 12:35 PM CST up reply actions

ha ha, that's good

I suppose I should have phrased it like this:

It it looks like a KOW, smells like a KOW, moo's like a KOW, well...

Alas, I am not that witty

"Prince Fielder Dies Of Inside-The-Park Homerun" - The Onion

by DTJchris on Dec 10, 2007 12:50 PM CST up reply actions

We're all going to end up looking...

...like jackasses when we learn that this is really KOW's twin sister.

FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Dec 10, 2007 1:00 PM CST up reply actions

gasp!!

Not her evil, nasty twin sister?

"But being a nasty hateful person she can't help herself." KOW

by sue369 on Dec 10, 2007 4:51 PM CST up reply actions

Probably lucky you didn't step in it!

n/t (grin)

by MN exile on Dec 11, 2007 8:29 AM CST up reply actions

You're being nasty

and probably hate-filled.

Note that this is "ballgirl's" first post here, and we've already established that KOW has no scruples about using a proxy server to hide her identity.

Something rotten in denmark right here, methinks.

by Thelonious on Dec 10, 2007 12:34 PM CST up reply actions

Hahahahaha!!!!

I love it!!

by Damen Jackson on Dec 10, 2007 12:36 PM CST up reply actions

re: You're being nasty

I had a hate-filled donut this morning. Oh no, wait...it was jelly.

Ladies and gentlemen, your 2008 Chicago Cubs starting outfield: Soriano-Pie-Fukudome. Let it be.

by daver on Dec 10, 2007 12:47 PM CST up reply actions

re: First of all...

I suspect the same thing. This user has never posted any comments.

Ladies and gentlemen, your 2008 Chicago Cubs starting outfield: Soriano-Pie-Fukudome. Let it be.

by daver on Dec 10, 2007 12:28 PM CST up reply actions

name in all caps

"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie

by buckmulligan on Dec 10, 2007 6:05 PM CST up reply actions

Pretty lame

Creating a new second id to provide imaginary support to your original post.

by rlpete on Dec 10, 2007 12:31 PM CST reply actions

"sad" is the correct description

by Thelonious on Dec 10, 2007 12:36 PM CST up reply actions

note that this new identity

compensates for KOW's trademark abrupt and frequent paragraph breaks by eschewing this helpful formatting technique entirely.

by Thelonious on Dec 10, 2007 12:42 PM CST reply actions

Guys, I need some moral support here.

I have this wild temptation to start a wholly unfounded diary about why I think Kerry Wood took 'roids.

Please. Convince me it's not worth it. Convince me I'm a better person than that.

FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Dec 10, 2007 12:45 PM CST up reply actions

I was actually....

planning on starting a diary in order to discuss everyone who we believe DIDN'T kill Kennedy.

I'll start:

I do not believe that Raquel Welch or Ed Asner were on that grassy knoll.

I can't rule out any of the Fondas.

by Thelonious on Dec 10, 2007 12:49 PM CST up reply actions

i will add...

...that robert heyges and burgess meredith are free of guilt!

"If you'da been thinkin you wouldn't 'a thought that." ~~ "Squints" Palledorous

by rm463 on Dec 10, 2007 12:57 PM CST up reply actions

Yes and...

...Abe Vigoda. Completely innocent!!!

Ladies and gentlemen, your 2008 Chicago Cubs starting outfield: Soriano-Pie-Fukudome. Let it be.

by daver on Dec 10, 2007 12:58 PM CST up reply actions

Don Rickles...

too.

by Damen Jackson on Dec 10, 2007 12:59 PM CST up reply actions

And Hannah Montana.

Clearly not guilty.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Dec 10, 2007 1:03 PM CST up reply actions

whoa, whoa, whoa

I think you are getting a bit hasty now

"Prince Fielder Dies Of Inside-The-Park Homerun" - The Onion

by DTJchris on Dec 10, 2007 1:06 PM CST up reply actions

Exactly!

There's a lot of suspicious things about that young lady. I hear that's not even her real name; it's simply an alias.

FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Dec 10, 2007 1:07 PM CST up reply actions

It really is a perfect

identity for a covert CIA operative. Sort of like Chuck Barris type

"Prince Fielder Dies Of Inside-The-Park Homerun" - The Onion

by DTJchris on Dec 10, 2007 1:11 PM CST up reply actions

I don't know Al

That Hannah Montana is a shady character, I feel fairly certain that she possesses the ability to travel through time and space, and her lyrics are full of hidden references to government secrets.

This field, this game: it's a part of our past, Ray. It reminds of us of all that once was good and it could be again.

by HectorVillanueva on Dec 10, 2007 1:10 PM CST up reply actions

Add that

To the fact that her father is a former CIA Achey-Breaky brainwasher and you have to think that the government has been cultivating her evil genius for years.

by TheHawk5 on Dec 10, 2007 1:58 PM CST up reply actions

Oh, you're filled with hate, dontcha know.

n/t

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Dec 10, 2007 12:49 PM CST up reply actions

Seriously, though...

...it's like watching an old Looney Tunes cartoon, where Daffy Duck keeps saying "I can take a hint. I can tell where I'm not wanted," and yet never actually leaves.

If we're all such horrible, awful people, why is she still here?

FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Dec 10, 2007 12:58 PM CST up reply actions

She is trying to enlighten us

of our faults. It's quite noble if you think about it. I really never knew what a hate filled person I was until she came along.

Thanks KOW!

"Prince Fielder Dies Of Inside-The-Park Homerun" - The Onion

by DTJchris on Dec 10, 2007 1:02 PM CST up reply actions

Hearing you mention Daffy Duck...

... gives me a mental image of her looking at all of us and saying, "You're despicable!!!"

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Dec 10, 2007 1:03 PM CST up reply actions

Been watching "Fargo" lately?

n/t

by MN exile on Dec 10, 2007 5:01 PM CST up reply actions

Quit it. . . . . QUIT IT GUYS...

....I can not possibly work under these circumstances. I have to be SEATED at my desk in order to get anything accomplished, NOT rolling on the floor laughing my ass off!!!

Thanks for the comical relief on yet another slooooow Monday!

"Secondly, there's a difference between being asleep at the wheel and passed out at the wheel, I would challenge passed out" ~ Tony LaRussa

by BigZ 4 Cy on Dec 10, 2007 1:14 PM CST reply actions

Being more of a troll than a regular

who is KOW?

by Arbusto on Dec 10, 2007 1:20 PM CST reply actions

That would be...

... the user known as "cubstoseriesby100".

Who was banned under her previous name, "kerrysotherwife".

I'm sure you can see how the acronym "KOW" came out of that.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Dec 10, 2007 1:23 PM CST up reply actions

Thanks, Al

by Arbusto on Dec 10, 2007 1:35 PM CST up reply actions

And I think you mean "lurker" ...

...not "troll".

Ladies and gentlemen, your 2008 Chicago Cubs starting outfield: Soriano-Pie-Fukudome. Let it be.

by daver on Dec 10, 2007 1:28 PM CST up reply actions

True

Got my interwebz nomenclature mixed up there.

by Arbusto on Dec 10, 2007 1:33 PM CST up reply actions

I don't know whether

to laugh, or cry.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Dec 10, 2007 1:24 PM CST reply actions

if you laugh hard enough...

...like I have / did / am, you will start to get tears:)

"Secondly, there's a difference between being asleep at the wheel and passed out at the wheel, I would challenge passed out" ~ Tony LaRussa

by BigZ 4 Cy on Dec 10, 2007 1:29 PM CST up reply actions

Just keep thinking...

... about Hannah Montana on the grassy knoll.

Laughing again?

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Dec 10, 2007 1:32 PM CST up reply actions

Hannah is innocent

H. Montana does not have these powers to travel through time and kill presidents. Though her father who destroyed my achey breaky eardrums had the power to forsee his career nosediving and have a little girl who he could force on our children and brainwash them into believing he is relevant again. I thinks Billy Ray is the real culprit here. Ready, Set, Don't go anywhere near his new album or you'll be brainwashed too. And he is on steroids!

"Take a journey with Ernie"

by Dcubbienole on Dec 10, 2007 1:52 PM CST up reply actions

She could have used the time travel device...

...from "The Suite Life of Zach and Cody."

FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Dec 10, 2007 2:16 PM CST up reply actions

I think you're thinking of the wrong...

... Disney Channel show.

"Phil of the Future" is the show you're thinking of.

Yes, I have adolescent children. This is the only reason for me to know this.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Dec 10, 2007 3:15 PM CST up reply actions

No no no.

Arwen the janitor guy builds one in one episode. Out of an old phone booth, I think

(You too?)

FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Dec 10, 2007 3:40 PM CST up reply actions

I prefer...

... the time travel devices on "Star Trek", myownself.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Dec 10, 2007 4:11 PM CST up reply actions

Nice!

by NO100 on Dec 10, 2007 2:20 PM CST up reply actions

pardon me, but...

"H. Montana does not have these powers to travel through time and kill presidents."

...she does being that she's been linked to dr. emmet brown!

"If you'da been thinkin you wouldn't 'a thought that." ~~ "Squints" Palledorous

by rm463 on Dec 10, 2007 2:40 PM CST up reply actions

KOW

may have smatened up a bit.

Notice the diary did not begin:

Subject: I do not see the harm

Comment: I do not see the harm in someone...

MMMMM...Golden shrimp and chicken combo from Ron of Japan!

by Kinky Reggae on Dec 10, 2007 1:38 PM CST reply actions

I'm not speculating....

...on players myself. Really, at this point nothing surprises me. But I'm guessing the GMs probably talked about it behind closed doors. I wonder if there were any trade proposals that had clauses about the Mitchell report or suspensions. I doubt it but it probably was a different dynamic than in years past.

I'd say there is a 50/50 chance that Hannah Montana and Burgess Meredith are mentioned in the Mitchell Report.

"You know what? You want a job? Go out and earn one." Sweet Lou

by Kyle Turney on Dec 10, 2007 1:44 PM CST reply actions

I'm the Idiot Here...

... I thought this this was definitely a 3 post and out diary.

This is who I think the Cubs #1 should be...

by initram on Dec 10, 2007 1:52 PM CST reply actions

I knew exactly when I saw the title of this diary

and that over 40 people have responded, that it was to the "danger" of "speculating" who was juiced up.

I will not read the diary nor any comments within, because I don't give a rats ass one way or the other and find it funny that so many do.

"Thanks bro, see ya later" Tony Larussa to Jupiter cops after being informed he was asleep in the middle of an intersection.

by lemon20pie on Dec 10, 2007 2:18 PM CST reply actions

Ok, I broke down and read the comments within

and now understand why it got over 40 and a very good chance it'll get over 200 responses.

I'm glad I broke down and read the comments because there is some good stuff within this diary.

"Thanks bro, see ya later" Tony Larussa to Jupiter cops after being informed he was asleep in the middle of an intersection.

by lemon20pie on Dec 10, 2007 2:42 PM CST up reply actions

Al, how old is Hannah?

I'm trying to picture her on the grassy knoll, but I don't want to violate any social mores or, like, laws, y'know.

"Just because you've had enough/ doesn't mean you wanted too much." -Dean Young

by Kegler on Dec 10, 2007 2:31 PM CST reply actions

Well, since my 11-year likes her

and my kid usually admires those close to her in age, I'd be surprised if Hannah Montana is even in HS.

Our grandparents used to say, "I hope the Cubs win the Series before I die". Now the teenagers are saying it.

by blackhawk24 on Dec 10, 2007 3:04 PM CST up reply actions

She's 15.

As I said above, I have a daughter that age, which is the only reason why I know this.

If you'd like more info, (and I can't imagine why you wouldn't!), click here.

(She was born November 23, 1992, just turned 15.)

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Dec 10, 2007 3:17 PM CST up reply actions

Whew, ok

I'm now imagining Ms. Montana on that grassy knoll, per Al's suggestion. She's young and energetic. Talkative, maybe even a little perky already. She's wearing a pink and green sweater, a pair of comfortable jeans, and she's barefoot. The most adorable little boxer pup is cradled in her arms. They sit on a plaid blanket. She coos at the pup; looks at me over her heart-shaped sun glasses, blows a ki...Damn it, Lolita! Get out of my innocent, Ms. Montana vision!!

"Just because you've had enough/ doesn't mean you wanted too much." -Dean Young

by Kegler on Dec 10, 2007 3:23 PM CST reply actions

DTJ? Udder Speculation?

Is there a futures market for that?

"Just because you've had enough/ doesn't mean you wanted too much." -Dean Young

by Kegler on Dec 10, 2007 3:38 PM CST reply actions

That was my attempt at humor

Udder, KOW, I know, it was a reach

"Prince Fielder Dies Of Inside-The-Park Homerun" - The Onion

by DTJchris on Dec 10, 2007 3:42 PM CST up reply actions

Moo-ve over.

I want to try that, too.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Dec 10, 2007 3:43 PM CST up reply actions

You Guys Are...

...really milking this diary for all the jokes now, aren't you?

This is who I think the Cubs #1 should be...

by initram on Dec 10, 2007 4:37 PM CST up reply actions

I mean

Cud this thread be any funnier?

Why does everybody stand up and sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" when they're already there? ~Larry Anderson

by JohnM on Dec 10, 2007 4:55 PM CST up reply actions

Nice thing about this dairy...

...is you never have to worry about dying of borden.

cheeses h. christ, that was a reach. sorry. I'll try to come up with something butter or elsie my name isn't Mrs. O'Kerry...

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Dec 10, 2007 5:19 PM CST up reply actions

Since this diary has no acutal point...

...besides being freaking hilarious , I might as well post this here.

Did anyone see that the Patriots are opening as 27 (Yes thats almost four TD's, might be a record point spread, not sure about that though) point favorites over the Jets (their last game was where the spy-gate saga started).... if I were a bettin' man, I would say the Pats cover EASILY!! I dont think Bill B. take the foot off the gas pedal or rest any starters in this game. They might not even hand the ball once in this game! I'm thinking Brady breaks paytons record of 49 TDs in this game as well.

"Secondly, there's a difference between being asleep at the wheel and passed out at the wheel, I would challenge passed out" ~ Tony LaRussa

by BigZ 4 Cy on Dec 10, 2007 3:57 PM CST reply actions

You think...

... Brady's going to throw for 49 TD's next Sunday?

(Kidding! Although...)

Anyway, 27 points is an unbelievable line -- I don't think I've seen anything quite like it. And you know what? As dominant as the Pats have been, if I were in Vegas and got that line legally, I think I'd take the Jets and the points. Remember, NE barely beat Baltimore last week, and the Jets are about equal to the Ravens, and the game is at the Meadowlands.

Just sayin'. I think the Jets could cover a spread that large.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Dec 10, 2007 4:08 PM CST up reply actions

Normally I would totaly agree...

...but Bill Belichick is not going to be a happy man for having his friend rat him out like he did in the first meeting this year. I can see them throwing the pigskin on nearly every play (I quess they pretty much did that yesterday vs. the Steelers) and trying to score as many as humanly possible.

I can see them scoring 40+ pretty easily and the Jets dont really have an offense of which to speak of [sounds alot like my favorite team:(, dang ole Ron Turn-over-the playbook-already] so 27 points seem do-able!!

The Steelers have a better D and O and the Pats beat them by 21, when they were motivated, so 27 doesn't seem like that much.

"Secondly, there's a difference between being asleep at the wheel and passed out at the wheel, I would challenge passed out" ~ Tony LaRussa

by BigZ 4 Cy on Dec 10, 2007 4:39 PM CST up reply actions

I agree

Just look at their past 3 games. No real lead up to either the Eagles or Ravens game, and they were squeakers. Then that stupid Steelers saftey guarantees a victory and the Pats blow them out. They'll be up by 40 at half-time in a revenge win over the Mangenius. Brady breaks the record, Moss ties Rice's, and betters everywhere rejoice. However, I can think of nothing sweeter than a letdown the following week at home vs Miami.

by TheHawk5 on Dec 11, 2007 6:47 PM CST up reply actions

Just in case...

... anyone's still reading this thread, the "official" line was 21 points, and the Jets covered.

I imagine there are a few happy legal bettors on the Jets today.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Dec 16, 2007 2:59 PM CST up reply actions

You guys are

you guys are mean!

MMMMM...Golden shrimp and chicken combo from Ron of Japan!

by Kinky Reggae on Dec 10, 2007 3:57 PM CST reply actions

We are not!

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Dec 10, 2007 4:08 PM CST up reply actions

Nope. I'm

Nope. I'm nasty and mean.

"But being a nasty hateful person she can't help herself." KOW

by sue369 on Dec 10, 2007 4:52 PM CST up reply actions

Wow its a slow day...

I saw 84 new posts under this diary and I got excited that it was something of interest.

At least I have had a few laughs catching up!

Let me get back to you, will ya, Charlie? I got a guy on the other line asking about some white walls.

by JB 23 on Dec 10, 2007 4:08 PM CST reply actions

This diary is real manure

you guys need to grow up. :-D

by LT on Dec 10, 2007 4:22 PM CST reply actions

'Cud it be any funnier'

I think that was my favorite one.

Btw, I like Billy Ray Cyrus. People rip on him because of one stinkin' song, yet there are a lot of people more deserving for that kind of criticism (I nominate Soulja Boy at the moment). If you want to make fun of BRC for something, catch Radical Jack the next time it's on WGN.

With decent material, he's an acceptable actor. But good god, that movie's painful.

by JDay on Dec 10, 2007 5:23 PM CST reply actions

This has been awesome!

This has been awesome.

MMMMM...Golden shrimp and chicken combo from Ron of Japan!

by Kinky Reggae on Dec 10, 2007 6:46 PM CST up reply actions

You can say that again.

"But being a nasty hateful person she can't help herself." KOW

by sue369 on Dec 10, 2007 6:51 PM CST up reply actions

Soulja Boy

Soulja Boy should be commended for repopularizing the super soaker......and giving me something to laugh at anywhere they play music. I can't dance and therefore do not attempt goofy dances that I see poeple doing on TV. (i.e. the Macarena, the Butterfly, or the Supaman). But I have traveled to about 10 different stadiums this year for college football games and I swear to you. There is little on this planet funnier than an overweight white southern man in full face and chest paint doing the "Supaman" in front of 85,000 people. I think I actually wet myself watching this but it mightve had something to do with all the whiskey.

"Take a journey with Ernie"

by Dcubbienole on Dec 11, 2007 12:24 PM CST up reply actions

Wow, the irritability factor is way up

...and here I thought this was a Cubs site.

The Fukudome situation and this soon-to-be-infamous Mitchell report must be making all of us grumpy.

There must be a lot of angst towards this KOW / evil twin / mutant poster; whoever that is.

Our grandparents used to say, "I hope the Cubs win the Series before I die". Now the teenagers are saying it.

by blackhawk24 on Dec 11, 2007 6:19 AM CST reply actions

According to ESPN.COM

the Mitchell report is full of speculation. See the article at http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3142651

Seems like the investigators were asking trainers and strength coaches which players they suspected of taking illegal PEDs. Isn't that the same kind of finger-pointing that has been frowned upon here?

I never thought this investigation was a good thing and I don't understand why it wasn't released BEFORE the free agent signing period. MLB (Selig and the owners) are just looking for fall guys to take the blame off them.

by FrankSereno on Dec 12, 2007 8:24 AM CST up reply actions