Hey, Colorado Rockies! Get Your Act Into The 21st Century!
On October 1, I bought four tickets to "Home Game 3" of the NLCS at Coors Field in Denver. Fresh from the NL Central-clinching in Cincinnati, my optimism overtook reality and I bought these tickets hoping that I would be able to attend what would have been game five (this was already known, since the Rockies were the wild card, and just as in 2003, had the Cubs advanced to the NLCS, they would have had the home field and games three, four and five would have been in Denver).
When the Cubs were eliminated I posted the tickets for sale on Stubhub. As you know, on October 15 the Rockies completed their four-game sweep of the Diamondbacks and thus, game five, which was originally scheduled to be played on October 17, was cancelled.
Stubhub told me that they were giving all buyers of this cancelled event until October 31 to return the tickets to them, and then they'd send them back to us so we could return them to the Rockies for refunds.
This began a comedy of errors. I made what seemed like dozens of (but really was only about six or seven) phone calls to Stubhub, during which I was told that my tickets had been mailed back to me by US Mail (with no tracking number, which would be very out of character for Stubhub, which sends almost everything via FedEx); didn't get my phone calls returned, and so I wound up patiently waiting for my mail to arrive every day for three weeks, only to not have any tickets arrive.
Finally, on November 26 I learned that the tickets were still in the possession of Stubhub. They were nice enough to send them back to the Rockies on my behalf after the too-long delay; I want to publicly thank Brad and Jackie of Stubhub for going above and beyond the call in helping me out.
Meanwhile, the Rockies are dragging their feet: it's December 10, 55 days after the event was cancelled and two weeks after they should have received the tickets, and I still don't have my money. It is beyond comprehension why the Rockies, unlike virtually every other team, don't simply credit back the credit card used to buy the tickets. They know my name, have my credit card number, know exactly which tickets I bought. Here's the convoluted system the Rockies set up for refunds, which requires:
- downloading a refund form;
- putting the tickets in an envelope, which requires paying postage to mail that envelope, and also paying employees to open said envelopes;
- determining the right amount of money (they're refunding all per-ticket fees but NOT the per-order fee) and getting a computer to generate a check;
- getting those checks into envelopes and paying lord knows how much postage to mail them, and
- trusting delivering all of those envelopes to the US Postal Service, during the holiday season when mail volume is at its peak (and in my case, to the Chicago Post Office, whose service is notoriously bad: twice in the last week, I had to call my local post office to tell them I had no mail delivery; one day they finally showed up at 7:45 pm)
Customers who purchased tickets on Oct. 4 for the NL Championship Series will automatically receive a credit on the charge card used for those tickets.
So if they can do this for the NLCS tickets, why not for the others? Obviously, the reason they did this is because no NLCS tickets were actually sent out, since the Cubs were eliminated on October 6. But if you can credit the card for those purchases, why not the others?
Same deal for the Rockies, whose postseason refund page linked above is now buried so deep in its website that you've got to go to "Tickets", then click through three or four times to find it.
More than two years ago, MLB Advanced Media bought a controlling interest in tickets.com; at the time it was widely believed that this move was an attempt to get ALL MLB teams to sell via tickets.com and have a consistent ticket selling policy. This hasn't happened, as several teams (Yankees, White Sox, Braves) still sell via Ticketmaster; but there's absolutely no reason why transactions of this nature -- postseason tickets, where there is a possibility that the game won't be played -- can't and shouldn't be automatically refunded.
The Rockies could have given me my money back on October 16 with a couple of mouse clicks. Instead, 55 days later, I'm still waiting for the refund to arrive, feeling sort of like this:

Copyright 1989, Universal Press Syndicate
So get your act together, MLB and the Rockies (and the Cubs, too). Starting in 2008, MLBAM should mandate that every team give refunds, when appropriate for a cancelled event, by crediting the credit card used to buy the tickets.
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Great points AL
I knew there was something I liked about you. Anyone that uses Calvin and Hobbes to illustrate a point is okay in my book.
by cubstoseriesby100 on Dec 10, 2007 8:36 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Bummer story, Al. Sorry Mine is much
I had planned a trip to Denver and Boulder well in advance of the Cubs making it in.
As it became clear that the Rockies were going to move on to Round 2, I purchased two tickets from their website in an upper deck location. Apparently they supply oxygen tanks with the seats. Anyway - when the Cubs were eliminated I decided I was not interested in going anymore so I put the tickets up for sale.
I ended up selling the tickets, in Denver on a gorgeous day for a nice little profit, to a rabid Rockies fan. As it turned out, the evening of the game it was barely above freezing and rained most of the game.
You could have avoided all of this hassle and made a couple bucks possibly, by just selling them yourself. StubHub is a rip-off anyway - they charge BOTH the seller and the buyer in the same transaction!
by TheEman on Dec 10, 2007 8:36 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Selling them myself how, though?
They were good seats, too, lower boxes. If only the Diamondbacks had won even ONE game, that game would have been played and I'd have been paid by Stubhub -- FWIW, although you call Stubhub a "ripoff", I've never had a problem with them.
by Al on Dec 10, 2007 8:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well there are
The buyer purchases from a private seller.
Yes, you have to arrange for shipping, but you pocket the percentage that you have to give up to Stub Hub.
Stub Hub is a nice convenience, but they are a "rip-off" because they make approx. 30% on every transaction, in which the two parties could just save with a little work - but not much.
Again, if you do not have the time to do this, and the difference in $ does not matter that much, than Stub Hub is a nice choice for these kinds of folks.
by TheEman on Dec 10, 2007 9:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You're talking about...
You're right about Stubhub's fees being for the convenience, easy way of listing, etc. In this case I felt it was worth it. If only they'd actually played that game.
by Al on Dec 10, 2007 9:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep. Indeed...
by TheEman on Dec 10, 2007 9:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
in denver?
i already know that's it's a stupid law and that online resellers such as stubhub do this as part of normal business practices. still, enforcement of this law was stepped up during the rockies playoff run and there were numerous articles about it in the denver post.
by anormal on Dec 10, 2007 11:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
NO! Colorado ALLOWS
Sorry, dude.
by TheEman on Dec 10, 2007 7:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
right.
the paragraph below is from here --> http://www.denverpost.com/harsanyi/ci_7179405 . it's just what i found first by googling it quickly.
"Within Denver city limits, a person is prohibited from selling tickets for a penny more than the face value. If you're caught doing so, you face a misdemeanor that can cost you up to $999 and one year in jail."
this was a big news item here during the world series when a guy was arrested with 60 tickets.
by anormal on Dec 10, 2007 10:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We have a Denver office
by cubstoseriesby100 on Dec 10, 2007 10:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yes indeed
by anormal on Dec 10, 2007 10:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Another reason why
Good thing the cops didn't see me sell them right in front of the Market.
by TheEman on Dec 10, 2007 10:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
boulder is great,
by anormal on Dec 10, 2007 10:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Indeed - that is
I forgot that Boulder is 90+% white folks...
But coming from City life, it is amazing to me.
by TheEman on Dec 10, 2007 10:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Stubhub
by cubstoseriesby100 on Dec 10, 2007 8:44 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I have a question
If the event doesn't happen does the person who sold you the ticket through the site have to refund all the money?
I assume so or if you go to a ticket broker in the city you get all your money back (minus a fee perhaps)?
by cubstoseriesby100 on Dec 10, 2007 8:57 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Don't know about ticket brokers' procedures.
by Al on Dec 10, 2007 9:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
I've only bought scalped tickets once for the Wicked thing I mentioned above.
Again great use of Calvin and Hobbes. I love that strip!
by cubstoseriesby100 on Dec 10, 2007 9:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This doesn't surprise me much at all
The only possible explanation I could think of for a policy like this is that teams don't want fans to take the "worthless" tickets and sell them online. But I don't see the harm in that.
by RynoHoF on Dec 10, 2007 9:10 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Maybe this is why
It could be a way of protecting people who buy aftermarket tickets, or more likely, an attempt to stick it to the brokers.
Of course, if you sell $100 tickets, say, for $15000, you probably don't care about the $100 . . . but at least it makes it harder to double-dip.
by Shanghai Badger on Dec 10, 2007 9:43 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Yabbut...
by Al on Dec 10, 2007 9:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sure . . . .
Anyway, I tend to agree with you -- a credit card refund is much more efficient for all involved. Any third party transactions should be covered by an agreement between those directly involved, or "caveat emptor". Just being devil's advocate as to the reasoning.
by Shanghai Badger on Dec 10, 2007 10:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I understand your reasoning.
In any case, the costs to any team that requires return of tickets has to be high -- from paying the people who have to open the envelopes and count the tickets and make sure they get refunded to the right person, to printing the refund checks, to paying first-class postage on thousands of envelopes. It can't be worth the hassle.
by Al on Dec 10, 2007 10:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
whoops . . . meant to say $100 for $1500
by Shanghai Badger on Dec 10, 2007 9:44 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
While the system the Rockies have sounds terrible
Karma is a wonderful thing.
by Porfi on Dec 10, 2007 10:03 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Keep in mind...
by Al on Dec 10, 2007 10:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's awfully disingenuous
by Porfi on Dec 10, 2007 10:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Regardless of that...
by Al on Dec 10, 2007 12:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Funny to see such a holier than thou
by Scott on Dec 11, 2007 7:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
FWIW.....
by bolson1076 on Dec 10, 2007 11:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
See, that's the whole point.
Doubt it.
by Al on Dec 10, 2007 12:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey! Calvin and Hobbes!
by DTJchris on Dec 10, 2007 10:30 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I got my money back fro the Rockies last Friday
I don't think the Rockies expected to make the post season and had no system in place to deal with it. Hopefully this experience means that they won't make the same mistakes / use the same system again.
by mrtobby on Dec 10, 2007 11:53 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Oy Vay...
Somebody better send the Rockies an "Easy" button for the holidays.
by SackMan on Dec 10, 2007 12:30 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Ding, ding, ding
by TR on Dec 10, 2007 6:19 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Stubhub
I once sold a pair of football tickets that FedEx didn't deliver on time. Stubhub told me that somehow that was my responsibility. I had to get them reprinted. This required me to put up a deposit, which I didn't get back until the originals were returned.
I had to dog them repeatedly to get the originals back for me so I could get my money back.
Usually it works well if you're willing to put up with the Sopranos-like fees, but when there is a problem look out.
by 08Cubs on Dec 10, 2007 6:52 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Exactly!
by TheEman on Dec 10, 2007 7:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I have a question for all who uses the services
I may be wanting to get some show tickets.
by cubstoseriesby100 on Dec 10, 2007 9:08 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
blah blah blah
by sackings108 on Dec 10, 2007 9:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No
It is not vapid to ask people who use different services to tell you how good they are.
In fact only a moron wouldn't ask opinions from a variety of sources.
by cubstoseriesby100 on Dec 10, 2007 9:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
so do you not mean anything you post?
by sackings108 on Dec 10, 2007 10:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I should have said
When you know people use a service and you wonder what might be better it's a good idea to ask especially if the subject is of discussion. It would be different if I had started a diary or asked in a Fukudome thread.
by cubstoseriesby100 on Dec 10, 2007 10:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't tell anyone but
Anyway, I got an automatic refund of the ticket price credited to my credit card. Less, of course, the "convenience" and "handling" fees. Which I suppose make sense, since they did print the tickets, mail them out, etc. But still... what if they had said tickets are $10 with a $40 handling fee? They get their $50 and if the game isn't played they keep $40 of it?
by ChipSet on Dec 10, 2007 10:21 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
That's the dirty little secret here.
And it's those outfits keeping the fees, not the teams.
by Al on Dec 11, 2007 3:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not a dirty secret
If you are buying tickets at $200 a pop - someone is paying the credit card company $6 per ticket (3%) for credit card fees.
Ticketmaster is just adding that to the ticket fee so that they don't have to pass on the expense. It's why service charges for a $250 concert ticket are much higher than service charges for a $50 concert ticket.
I think if you look at it historical - teams refund people the service charges because they get back the credit card fee (most of it) when they refund the credit card.
Teams don't refund order processing fees because...well they needed to do some work and process the order.
by NorthsideBlue on Dec 11, 2007 9:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I would bet...
by bison on Dec 12, 2007 4:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Al - the "Plan B" Thread?
Platoon? Jenkins/Murton? Kevin Mensch/Murton? Murton/Ward?
Ibanez?
Teahen?
Brad Wilkerson?
Randy Winn (played for Lou)?
We need to have an outlet here in case of disappointment!
by TheEman on Dec 10, 2007 10:32 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
its 1130 east coast doubt we'll knw tonight
by cubstoseriesby100 on Dec 10, 2007 10:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Is Dwight Smith still available?
by RynoHoF on Dec 11, 2007 1:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Dwight Smith...
by Al on Dec 11, 2007 3:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow.....
Al---way to think this thru..... I bought four tickets for my friends to go to the NLDS game two at Wrigley. They paid me in various formats - one by check - one by cash and one took me out to dinner at an awesome new restaurant and paid for a $250 bottle of wine.
I told each of them that just in case they didn't play the game they were on their own for refunds which they all were cool with.
But in your world - you say the Cubs should say....Screw ya! We don't care if you are holding the ticket in your hand and paid good money for it....we are refunding the person who bought it from us (maybe they should add...because Al thinks its a good idea).
Al - it's not a good deal - it's actually a bad deal. I think the Cubs did the right thing by waiting to have tickets sent to them for the NLDS. Those tickets were in peoples hands and they deserved a refund.
I also think they did the right thing with the NLCS tickets. If you didn't get them - you couldn't sell or resell them.
TO make a long story short - all of my friends have their refunds - received their various check the middle of november.
by NorthsideBlue on Dec 11, 2007 9:21 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Just saw this and my answer is...
Nope. The teams' responsibility is simple. You buy a ticket. The game is cancelled. They send you the refund, or in my scenario credit your card back. Any other deals need to be handled by YOU, not the team.
by Al on Dec 15, 2007 5:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

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