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It Is Official: Mark Prior Is Gone

Is this good news? I am not sure. He may catch on somewhere and become the second coming (he is only 26 after all) but the Cubs made the right move here.  We all remember 2003, but that was then and this is now, and the Cubs are headed in a different direction. I did hear today that the Padres took a look at his health records and suddenly are not as interested. I have to say that I am not suprised.

Good luck old friend, unless of course you end up across town, in San Diego, NY, Milwaukee, Cincinatti , or ....never mind. Don't let the door hit you on the way out. We would probably have to pay for the surgery that followed.

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Where?
Could you please provide a link?
"These are terrible times, and I shouldn't joke about them." --Warren Zevon

by ExNorthsider on Dec 12, 2007 9:30 PM CST   0 recs

its
also on the cubs main page. supposivley dave kaplan announced it on WGN as well

by Glacier on Dec 12, 2007 9:32 PM CST   0 recs

I'm disappointed
Here's a guy who hasn't pitched 6 innings in a win since August 2005.  And I'm still disappointed he's leaving.

I still have a feeling he's going to return to form.  (Then again, I thought Derrick May and Hee Seop Choi would be All-Stars.)

by Richie Hebner 18 on Dec 12, 2007 9:32 PM CST   0 recs

I feel the same
you summed it up completely, except of course for the May/Choi thing. I fear he will haunt the Cubs in the future...maybe an AL team will sign him.

I think the Cubs likely did the right thing, but it just doesn't feel right.

Cubs chances in '08? Beats the FUK-U-DO-ME!

by Hugest Canadian Cubs Fan on Dec 12, 2007 9:42 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

So long "employee"
The guy obviously didn't want to be here.  

by madtown on Dec 12, 2007 9:33 PM CST   0 recs

Employee
I ordered a custom #22 Cubs jersey with "Employee" on the back.
I reject your reality and substitute my own. ` Adam Savage Mythbusters

by lemon20pie on Dec 13, 2007 7:29 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

I bet Dusty's...
..licking his chops.  

by CenTex Cubs on Dec 12, 2007 9:36 PM CST   0 recs

Here's the story
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/cs-071212prior,1,410674.story?coll=cs-c ubs-headlines

This whole thing leaves me a bit numb at this point in time. I think there was a part of most, if not all of us, who injury after injury still had some hope that Wood and Prior could still amount to a tandem that would dominate year after year. There is likely a lot of blame to be handed around, to Prior, to the Cubs, their trainers, to doctors and pitching coaches. But I wonder if the Cubs career or Mark Prior ranks up there in terms of overall disappointments in the history of the sport.

In the end, however, it just seems that Prior was never really a Cub. My only basis for this is a gut instinct combined with the various rumors and the media consensus. It just seemed like from the get go Prior never wanted to be a Cub. He didn't seem to gut it out for the team. He displayed an overall aloof mentality that, reality or not, portrayed a player who wanted to be elsewhere. In the end, it appears that's what he choose.

Sorry but I cannot root for Prior. I put a ton of blame on the Cubs as far as Prior goes, the injuries, he passive way of dealing with this all, but Prior just never appeared to go the extra mile to make it work and when you're paid millions of dollars with the potential to make a lot more, you do that. It disappoints me that Prior, now that he's finally been surgically treated, will not pitch for the Cubs. But in the end the Cubs seemingly got the message that after this year he was going elsewhere.

DmL

by dmlichte on Dec 12, 2007 9:37 PM CST   0 recs

Well said
Your post was thoughtful and well worth reading; it is in stark contrast to some of the other commentary already in this diary.

Let me respond to this:  "It would seem Prior was never really a Cub."  Perhaps you are right - in the way that most players play on the team that drafted them or offered them the most money and are just playing in that uniform.  The number of players like Andre Dawson who chose their team are very rare.  The number of players like Ron Santo who live and breathe their team are even more rare.

It is clear now that Prior has no interest in pitching for the Cubs.  The way the MLB.com piece is worded makes it clear negotiations are not ongoing.  He got his freedom.

So, the question, again, "Was he ever a Cub?"  I think he was in one way in 2003.  He gave his arm and his shoulder for the Cubs, pitching past his breaking point.  For those who cannot appreciate that, well, there are much worse things to fail to appreciate.

I'll be rooting for him; he is stil an amazing pitcher when healthy and I'm glad as Cub fans we got to experience that ability during a pennant race and post-season.

All I am saying is give Pie a chance!

by DGU on Dec 12, 2007 10:09 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

amen.
I hope something can be worked out between Prior and the Cubs, but either way, I wish him well.  He is a joy to watch when healthy.

by PrincetonCubs on Dec 12, 2007 10:32 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

I don't know....
Like a couple people have posted earlier I felt like there was still a possibility that Prior could return to form. I just hope he doesn't turn out to be another one that got away... even though we gave him multiple (understatement) chances. I just don't like the fact that he couldn't respect the organization a little more. The Cubs have invested so much time and effort into him. If regains his form I hope, at least, it isn't in a Cincinatti Reds uniform. Mixed feelings on this one...

by EJThunder on Dec 12, 2007 9:43 PM CST   0 recs

Prior is a good lesson in expectations
Hard to believe that this was the single most anticipated new Cub in recent memory, possibly ever.

The "greatest college pitcher of all time" fell to the Cubs because the Twins couldn't afford to pay him.  (By couldn't afford, I mean that billionaire owner Carl Pohlad was unwilling to pay).  The excitement was palpable in Cubdom.  The next Tom Seaver was coming to Chicago, but when.

Well, Prior started in Double A and seemed even better than advertised, striking out 55 in less than 35 innings.  The Southern League couldn't contain him, so he moved up to AAA, where he threw in 3 games, and posted an ERA of 1.62 and averaged 1.5 strikeouts per inning.

Next came a beautiful night in May 2002 when he made his debut at Wrigley Field.  The Cubs sucked that year as did the Pirates, but Wrigley Field was packed with more than 40,000(this was before the Cubs sold out every game).  There was only one good reason to be at Wrigley that night - to see the future of the franchise; the man with "perfect mechanics" who was going to win multiple Cy Young Awards.

We all looked in awe at this physical specimen, either unaware or ignoring the fact that he had been privately trained by former MLB pitcher and steroids enthusiast Tom House.

It obviously didn't work out as any of us had hoped, but the guy was responsible for some of the most exciting times any of us have witnessed as Cubs fans.  His career arc is a good reminder of the unpredictability of the game.

Fukudome is my homie

by Porfi on Dec 12, 2007 9:44 PM CST   0 recs

Great post Porfi, well said
I was at that game, and the feeling was electric. I have great Prior memories. I chased him down a few blocks from Wrigley after my last Cubs game living in Chicago in 2003, and he rolled down his window and signed a ball for me.

I think he did all he could. I do not think it is fair that if someone does not have the personality that we want them have, the dumping on him starts.  Some people are not the best at public speaking, some people do not have a smile like Ken Griffey Jr., or are as fun during at interview as Big Poppi. Prior was paid to pitch, and at moments he pitched better than I have ever seen anyone pitch.

A lot of stuff we still do not know, and may never know. Who are we to be experts?

I learned more about what kind of pain Koufax played with after reading a "Lefty's Legacy" than I ever gleaned from the newspaper articles and news of the day.

I thank him for the thrills and memories he provided. I am sad and sorry it did not work out for more years or greatness as a Cub. I hope he returns to form and can play for many more years.

I will only speak to what I saw 1st hand. He signed a baseball for me, chatted with me at the Cubs Convention, remembered me at
a Cubs/Twins game at the Metrodome last year at BP. He had a great game face when he was on the mound and dealing, and he gave me some of the most thrilling moments and best memories I have had in my life of being a Cub fan.

Good luck Mark.

Good Guys Wear Blue

by Cubskingdom on Dec 12, 2007 10:30 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Thank you for this post
It is just one more reminder that Prior doesn't "owe" the Cubs anything.  He gave this organization a ton; and if his work down the stretch in 2003 really did cause the shoulder problem, then what he gave the Cubs cost him a minimum of 50 million dollars, to say nothing of the frustration of ongoing physical setbacks.

Hopefully his setbacks will be behind him this year and he has a lot of success for an AL team.

All I am saying is give Pie a chance!

by DGU on Dec 12, 2007 10:47 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

May 22, 2002
I was there at his first game too.  Here's the box score for that game.

I'll never forget it as it was the first game I ever attended with my son who was only five at the time and was asleep in my arms by the seventh inning stretch.  When I bought the ticket, I had no idea that I would be able to bear witness to the first start of one of the most dominating (and, later, the most frustrating) pitcher in the league.  It was a beautiful night, and when Sammy crushed that home run in the third to take the lead, you knew that it would be all Cubs for the rest of the game.

So, bye Mark.  And thanks for the memories.

"I don't think anybody's paying attention to the Cubs." - Prince Fielder

by jasoniniowa on Dec 13, 2007 9:09 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Actually it's the wrong move.
4-4.5 million? The Cubs probably make that in one day of in-park beer sales!

He's 26 years old with Cy Young caliber stuff when healthy.

For those who will undoubtedly scoff at my assertion that we should have kept him, I refer you, as I have  many times before, to Chris Carpenter.

by Snake Plissken on Dec 12, 2007 9:45 PM CST   0 recs

ya
well if Mark Prior says that he's gone after this year, its not worth half that to pay and rehab Prior. Basically what the Cubs were paying Prior was strictly for this year. Clearly he wanted out after this year so the investment is over. It pays off whatever it does in 2008 and then he goes elsewhere.

DmL

by dmlichte on Dec 12, 2007 9:49 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

But we don't know that he was going to leave
Speculation by sports reporters an him calling humself an "employee" once does not mean he was calling a cab.

That said, he should have accepted the '09 option on the deal Hendry presented.

by Snake Plissken on Dec 12, 2007 9:53 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Are the Cubs trying to win in '08 or '09?
As fans we won't be able to determine right now if this was the right move or the wrong move.  We don't know the medical story.  Estimates of when he will start pitching are all over the 2008 calendar.

But I can tell you this - if Prior can pitch at full strength in October 2008, it doesn't matter if he planned on walking in November 2008.  For 4 mill, if he has a 20% chance of being one of the Cubs top 3 starters in October, you pay the 4 mill.

All I am saying is give Pie a chance!

by DGU on Dec 12, 2007 10:12 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

yeah, i wish they would have just paid him.
i mean, we gave marquis how much? i'd much rather be waiting on prior that have marquis.
"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie

by buckmulligan on Dec 12, 2007 10:19 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Hardly the wrong move
Carpenter is pretty much the lone exception coming off of labrum surgery that successful, and he's injured again. The odds are a million to one. Keeping Prior at this point would have been not only dumb, but irresponsible.
ROTHSCHILD!

by Perkins on Dec 12, 2007 11:05 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

The odds are not a million to one
It is certainly less than a 50% chance that he's ready this year, less than even a 30% chance, but greater than a 15% chance.

What's done is done.  We'll have to wait to see what he does.

All I am saying is give Pie a chance!

by DGU on Dec 12, 2007 11:26 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Meh
If you think Prior will ever be anything like he was in 2003, that's your business, but it doesn't change the fact that tendering him a contract for next season would have been a total waste of money. He certainly won't be anything like effective in 2008, and probably will never be very good again.
ROTHSCHILD!

by Perkins on Dec 13, 2007 12:26 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

I never said
he'd be 2003 Mark Prior.  I said he has a chance of being an effective pitcher.  I did not say he would be an effective pitcher.  I said he has a 20% chance of being one.  So, you will be able to name 10 guys who had similar injuries and won't and I will only be able to name two.  When we go through that exercise, some people, prone to exaggeration, will say, "See he CERTAINLY won't be effective," and others will say, "A 20% chance of a play-off worthy pitcher for 3 mill, that's not a bad bet to take."

My contention is that those saying the former are hung up on the disappointments Prior's injuries have caused them while the latter are recognizing a good business bargain.

All I am saying is give Pie a chance!

by DGU on Dec 13, 2007 1:52 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Nah Nah Nah Hey Hey Hey.....
Goodbye!
"I guess you had some lean years, and didnt have to beat it hard" - Craig Sager

by Galvan316 on Dec 12, 2007 9:45 PM CST   0 recs

I think you forgot a verse...
...Nah Nah Nah Nah...Nah Nah Nah Nah...Hey Hey...Goodbye...

THE EMPLOYEE IS UNEMPLOYED

Dan

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on Dec 12, 2007 9:50 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

He's Not Necessarily Gone, Right?
I thought that an offer from the Cubs of 1 incentive laden year plus a club option is still out there, right (barring Hendry putting a time line on it or retracting the offer)?

Apparently the Padres' interest has "cooled"... supposedly.  <insert exaggerated wink here>

But, theoretically, he could return.  Nothing in the article shows that he indeed has (or will not have) no offers pending...

by initram on Dec 12, 2007 9:49 PM CST   0 recs

In the words of Hawk H.
"Higawn!"

If you read the Muskat piece, it's clear he's gone.  "The Cubs and Mark Prior have parted ways" is how the article begins.

The article makes it clear Prior is done with the Cubs.

Good luck, Mark, and thanks for the memories!

All I am saying is give Pie a chance!

by DGU on Dec 12, 2007 10:15 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Technically
You're right.  

There's no reason the Cubs can't sign him as a free agent now.  Not that they would but they can.

We are all waiting for that glorious October night when we finally win it all. Until then we will continue to cheer, never do the wave and hope.

by cubstoseriesby100 on Dec 12, 2007 10:55 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

My take
Prior may return to form, but even if he does, the Cubs should have no regrets. If a guy doesn't want to be in your organization then that's the end of it. Think about this: let's say Prior returns mid 08 season and pitches well; for a guy that has had 4 straight years with injuries and who is confident of his ability (which you assume he is) he would at least need to show he can have a good complete season before he can cash in big time. The money that Prior can make from a good half a season in '08 would be nothing compared to what he can make after a good half '08 and a good complete '09. And from the info we have been given it seems negotiation an option for '09 was never really discussed. To me that just says he didn't want to be here and if that was the case then I think it's better to move on. At least that's the way I see it.

Luis

by Luis on Dec 12, 2007 9:52 PM CST   0 recs

Woody
It's hard not to compare him to Wood.  Kerry has made it known, both through his words and his actions, how much he wants to be a part of this organization.  When he was hurt, he showed up at the park to support his team when he could.  You never saw any of that from Prior.

by madtown on Dec 12, 2007 9:54 PM CST   0 recs

From what I understand....
from Kaplan on WGN and writers in both papers, he wasnt wanted in the clubhouse. He wasnt liked by his  fellow players, and he was purposefully removed from the team and sent to rehab in Arizona. (That last bit was from Kaplan's remarks tonight.)

The Reds will make their move, or whoever, but as far as where the Cubs are now, it was the right thing to do. It removes the thoughts of what once was from that team and moves in the right direction.

I am not Sen. Mitchell, and I do not have access to his files. I do not approve of how MLB has handled this problem at all, but I firmly believe that any list that is put together will have more pitchers names on it than anyone is comfortable with. If Mark Prior's name was on that list it would not shock me at all. The way that tendons and muscles in his body seemed to implode (shoulder, elbow (minus the bank shot he took vs. the Rockies) and his shoulder) that is not normal.

by louslovechild on Dec 12, 2007 10:03 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

FIRE! Ready, Aim...
"From what I understand....from Kaplan on WGN and writers in both papers, he wasnt wanted in the clubhouse. He wasnt liked by his  fellow players, and he was purposefully removed from the team and sent to rehab in Arizona. (That last bit was from Kaplan's remarks tonight.)"

When the Cubsters are done with you get ready for full force (media) gale.

"...the Sox ... may be even more marginal after the Cubs win the 2007 World Series." - Cubbie fan "Joe Alberti" as posted in the White Sox NG on 9/21/2007.

by DrCrawdad on Dec 13, 2007 12:29 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

as opposed to the white sox
Where departing players can expect to hear Kenny Williams and Ozzie Guillen talk shit.

by Thelonious on Dec 13, 2007 12:54 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Media vs. Managers...
...Cubster media (primarily radio and newspaper) firing away and doing the dirty work for the organization is hardly comparable fire power to two goofs (Guillen and KW) shooting their mouths off (and then being criticized by Cubbie media).

Did Dave "spinster" Kaplan EVER expose Prior in '03 or '04?  No, Kaplan was probably spinning away for Prior regarding the "Ducky" incident and covering up Prior's allegedly being disliked by his teammates.

That Dave Kaplan is one courageous reporter, skilled at throwing bricks from a distance.

"...the Sox ... may be even more marginal after the Cubs win the 2007 World Series." - Cubbie fan "Joe Alberti" as posted in the White Sox NG on 9/21/2007.

by DrCrawdad on Dec 13, 2007 1:04 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Hey man.
Those two "goofs," as you so classlessly put it, have done more to bring a World Series to Chicago in the past decade than Dave Kaplan EVER has. So just you knock that off, Sox-hater.
I would suggest you learn to truly interrupt all stats before using any selective stats. -- cubswin

by cwyers on Dec 13, 2007 1:09 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

funny
To me, it seems more and more evident that they lucked into that championship. Subsequent business dealings by Williams, and the apparent management philosophies of Guillen seem to support this assessment.

I'm sure DrCrawdad will call me biased, but any team (including the cubs) that witnesses that many players outperform their projections (many cases, to extreme proportions) is lucky in my book.

In regard to what I just said, and my statement above comparing KW and Guillen to the cub media badmouthing: I'm not really a "rah rah" type baseball fan. I don't necessarily argue with DrCrawdad in his assessment of those media personalities. More importantly, I don't really care.

My only argument is that he obviously likes to come over and stir the pot, when it's clearly evident that the trashy sox organization prefers to jump into the fray directly. An observer might consider this a pot-kettle situation (only, in this case, DrCrawdad is acting as the pot's agent/proxy in the calling of "black"). Until I see Hendry challenge Prior to fisticuffs, or at the very least, a pie eating contest, I'll continue to recognize a clear difference between each organization's MO.

by Thelonious on Dec 13, 2007 1:32 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Who got lucky?
"... (The White Sox) lucked into that championship. Subsequent business dealings by Williams, and the apparent management philosophies of Guillen seem to support this assessment."

2005 Sox 99 wins, AL Central Champs, World Championship, 11-1 in post-season
2006 Sox 90 wins, 3rd place

Back-to-back 90 win seasons, when was the last the Cubbies have done that?

Want to talk about luck, look no further than you '04 Cubbies.

2007 Cubbies 85 wins, NL Central "Champs" 0-4 in post-season

"...the Sox ... may be even more marginal after the Cubs win the 2007 World Series." - Cubbie fan "Joe Alberti" as posted in the White Sox NG on 9/21/2007.

by DrCrawdad on Dec 13, 2007 1:48 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Meant, '07 Cubbies
n/t
"...the Sox ... may be even more marginal after the Cubs win the 2007 World Series." - Cubbie fan "Joe Alberti" as posted in the White Sox NG on 9/21/2007.

by DrCrawdad on Dec 13, 2007 1:50 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

At least
At least you can count. 0-4?  When did the NLDS go to best of 7?  

by TheHawk5 on Dec 13, 2007 3:19 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Hit 'em high, hit 'em low...
...while Hendry takes the "high road" his cohorts in the Tribune newspaper and radio take the low road for him.

Oh, and ask Paul Sullivan what he thinks of Cubbie (mis)management, after being called into a meeting with Cubbie management and Sullivan's direct manager...

"...the Sox ... may be even more marginal after the Cubs win the 2007 World Series." - Cubbie fan "Joe Alberti" as posted in the White Sox NG on 9/21/2007.

by DrCrawdad on Dec 13, 2007 1:55 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Go away.
That is a fair request isn't it?
MMMMM...Golden shrimp and chicken combo from Ron of Japan!

by Kinky Reggae on Dec 13, 2007 3:55 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Cubbie fans concur with Crawdad...
Note the discussion in the Cubs NG:
Some stories that came out this past summer said that the Cubs pretty much threw Prior under the bus. The team implied that he wasn't really hurt, that he just wouldn't try to throw through normal soreness, that he wasn't tough enough to be a ML pitcher. Then they found the shoulder injury they had been missing. - "John", 12/13/07
I agree with you, John. The Cubs used their propaganda machine to smear Prior and it was all uncalled for and undeserved.  Even Al Yellon took to calling him names that inferred that Prior was some sort of weak-willed and weak-minded dolt who only imagined the pain in his shoulder. - "Frank Sereno", 12/13/07
"...the Sox ... may be even more marginal after the Cubs win the 2007 World Series." - Cubbie fan "Joe Alberti" as posted in the White Sox NG on 9/21/2007.

by DrCrawdad on Dec 14, 2007 10:38 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Booooring...
you are boring and you should keep your White Sox propoganda where it belongs...in your ass.
MMMMM...Golden shrimp and chicken combo from Ron of Japan!

by Kinky Reggae on Dec 14, 2007 11:06 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

There you go, again...
No answers, no info., no reasoned debate, as per usual from you, just attacks.

Talk about boring.

"...the Sox ... may be even more marginal after the Cubs win the 2007 World Series." - Cubbie fan "Joe Alberti" as posted in the White Sox NG on 9/21/2007.

by DrCrawdad on Dec 14, 2007 11:12 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Here ya go doc...
I can't even keep track of your annoying debates that you wage here.  I had no answer because I do not even know what debate you are engaged in.

Still however, had I known what you were debating, I would still be forced to disregard whatever you have to say because the majority of the BS you spew out here is worthless crap that is meant to rile people up.

And do not mistake my response for being riled up...it is quite siomilar in fact, to my response to my 7 year old nephews when they are acting immature and annoying.  Though I love them very much and you...well...are simply annoying.

Please, stick with your crowd.

MMMMM...Golden shrimp and chicken combo from Ron of Japan!

by Kinky Reggae on Dec 14, 2007 11:42 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

"He didn't want to be here"
The biggest problem with Mark Prior, outside of the injuries, is that he didn't have the outgoing personality some other players have. He didn't give great interviews. He didn't continually try to put himself in front of the camera the way Sosa did or Zambrano does. Had he stayed healthy and dominated, no one would have gave a ** about his personality. Since he was hurt and wasn't able to take the ball, the problem is that he just didn't have enough heart and wouldn't play through pain.

What a bunch of a horse pucky. Nobody on this board, and nobody in the media, can accurately comment on what's going on in this guy's mind and what his feelings are/were toward the franchise.

The other big load of crap is that Prior was a wuss who didn't want to play. Honestly, we probably never got the whole story about the achilles injuries. But nobody in their right mind would have expected him to pitch immediately after the Giles collision. We certainly wouldn't have when his pitching elbow was broken. We shouldn't have when he had surgery this year. Prior's injuries were a whole lot less about his tolerance for pain than they were about a star-crossed player.

If you didn't like the guy or were just frustrated by unfulfilled promises, more power to you. For me, he became one of my all-time favorites in '03 and I'll miss the guy---even though I think it may be better for him to go. I'm just sick of the "he can't leave fast enough, he was brittle and didn't want to be here," crap that's continually spouted by people who are making assumptions or believing every rumor they hear.

Sorry for the rant, peace in the middle east, I'm out.

by JDay on Dec 12, 2007 10:02 PM CST   0 recs

A-f'n-men
Fukudome is my homie

by Porfi on Dec 12, 2007 10:08 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

That's why I'm really hoping he does well elsewher
That's one of the reasons I really hope he succeeds elsewhere especially if he winds up in the AL.

When the media flat out knowingly is lying tonight it makes me sick.  Kaplan who I respected most of every member of the media outside of Bruce Miles knowingly lied tonight when he said Prior never went to an event.

Not only does he know Prior was at every convention Prior appeared on his sports central broadcast almost every year!

We are all waiting for that glorious October night when we finally win it all. Until then we will continue to cheer, never do the wave and hope.

by cubstoseriesby100 on Dec 12, 2007 10:39 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

LOUD SUSTAINED APPLAUSE
My feelings totally through and through.

The great problem with Prior was that he has a cool, aloof air about him. He's a low key guy and when everyone wants a piece of you, that just won't do. You are most correct that he wasn't the media hound. He apparently had an uphill battle gelling with his team in the congenial working relationship that pro ballers of any sport would have. That's just the way he was and likely will be. He was no Ryan Dempster, able to crack jokes and engage an audience.

The whole incident with that charity event which he was sued for didn't help.

But he was a great pitcher. My personal touch to the lore of the Cubs will always include the Mark Prior of 2004 fighting through what very likely was bonafide pain to give everything he could in that game in which the Cubs still lost, but he was the champion. I watched that game and the fire in his eyes we saw still amazes me. Watching his shoulders droop at his inability to continue in the game after giving his all in that one game is no sign of him being a "clubhouse cancer" to me. He was a gamer and he wanted to win, and for that Cub fans should be grateful.

There's a lot of bandwidth we can waste here about what happened since then and why the Cubs and Prior went their separate ways. It's worthy of discussion. But Prior will always be a luminary in the star field of the Cubs Nation, and I hope he does well where ever he goes.

Just not in the National League. Please, God ..

Well, Next Year is here .. and Jack's century's gotta end some time .. GO CUBBIES!

by cubnational on Dec 13, 2007 8:40 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

All This Means...
... is that I can now frame Prior's jersey instead of keeping it ready to wear.

Best of luck, Mark.

by initram on Dec 13, 2007 9:44 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

I'm going to miss him
I wish him the best of luck and hope he can return to form and become the pitcher that he is capable of.  I always rooted for him no matter what and will continue to do so.  I am not going to spout off blame or anything just think that he has gotten a lot of bad rap and that it has been directed for wrongly towards him.

The only regret with Prior is that, and I truly believe this, he will return to form and that it is not going to be in a Cubs uniform.  He has been a favorite of mine since he came up and think its too bad the 'Mark Prior Era' of the Cubs ends like this.

Again, doubt he will ever see this, but I wish him the best of luck in the future

"Prince Fielder Dies Of Inside-The-Park Homerun" - The Onion

by DTJchris on Dec 12, 2007 10:09 PM CST   0 recs

Just good business
I agree we shouldn't speculate on what Prior wants or what he's thinking.  No one knows that but him and his agent.  But honestly, we can't pay the guy to rehab and not know we'd get a full season out of him.  Just wouldn't make sense.  This one won't be the one that got away, like Maddux or something, because this sound business.  We have some other needs, our payroll isn't endless and only getting worse.  If he wouldn't take the option year deal, then he needs to move on and so do we.

Hopefully to Erik Bedard, who I honestly think would make us NL favorites.

by SamFels on Dec 12, 2007 10:12 PM CST   0 recs

Not good business at all
if we're just talking theory.  Leave aside the whole "does he want to play for the Cubs" as you suggest we must do.

The Cubs have a large enough budget and a deep enough pitching corps that they should be investing in at least one high-risk-high-reward pitcher who could make all the difference in October.

The Cubs can pitch a Gallagher or a Marshall in that 5th starter spot for 4 months and leave open the possibility of a Prior/Garcia/Colon type coming in at the end to significantly bolster the playoff rotation.  And if that P/G/C player tanks, it's no big deal at all.

A good business decision is to spend a pittance of your budget on that off-chance that you hit playoff gold.  Since the Cubs did not make that decision, it seems clear that one of three things are the case -

  1. Mark Prior did not want to pitch for the Cubs and may have even been willing to slow his recovery time if the Cubs tendered him a contract.
  2. The Cubs organization just don't want to deal with Prior anymore.
  3. The Cubs looked at Prior's medical data and said, "He won't be ready and he won't be the pitcher he was before." (That's the only way this would be a good business decision; it's just not how the Cubs are describing this decision.)
All I am saying is give Pie a chance!

by DGU on Dec 12, 2007 10:27 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Will he be booed
Prior is most likely going to blast The Cubs as soon as he signs with a new team.

What kind of reaction do you think he will get if he signs with an NL team and they go to Wrigley and he's pitching?

It should be interesting...

by ak123 on Dec 12, 2007 10:14 PM CST   0 recs

i hate this move.
you know he's going to end up on the cardinals. i'd rather the cubs pay him a bunch of money to throw towels for ten more years.

he's going to end up winning a cy young somewhere.

and why drop him now, after he's finally had surgery? this whole thing scares the crap out of me.

"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie

by buckmulligan on Dec 12, 2007 10:15 PM CST   0 recs

Technically
Technically this does not make Prior a non Cub.  They can sign him as a free agent.  Don't think it will happen but it does not mean they can't sign him.

Yes there will be some people booing him if he comes in to pitch for a new team.

Kaplan flat out lied on the radio tonight.  He stated he never appeared at any events and did nothing for charity.

For the record he was at every convention and Kerry's bowling events at the minimum.

We are all waiting for that glorious October night when we finally win it all. Until then we will continue to cheer, never do the wave and hope.

by cubstoseriesby100 on Dec 12, 2007 10:34 PM CST   0 recs

One quick comment from me.
Many of the posts above are well thought out and considerate. The one directly above this isn't; obviously, she still thinks there are "haters" out there.

None of us thought, on that draft day in 2001, that Prior's tenure with the Cubs would end like this. I doubt he'll see a major league mound till 2009 at the earliest. Could be be Chris Carpenter and have several big years and a Cy Young for another team?

Yes, but more likely, he's Steve Busby or Dennis Leonard or Gary Nolan or Don Gullett. Look 'em all up.

In retrospect, the Cubs should have taken Mark Teixeira.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Dec 12, 2007 10:44 PM CST   0 recs

How is pointing out lies
How is pointing out lies said by Kaplan tonight not thought out?

How is pointing out a fact about Prior's status not thought out?

We are all waiting for that glorious October night when we finally win it all. Until then we will continue to cheer, never do the wave and hope.

by cubstoseriesby100 on Dec 12, 2007 10:48 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Oh yes
Continuing rehashing of the employee comment is really well thought out.

And where did I bring up hate?  I pointed out facts.

It has been said all over the place this means he can't be a Cub next year.

While he most likely is gone it is not true they can't sign him.

We are all waiting for that glorious October night when we finally win it all. Until then we will continue to cheer, never do the wave and hope.

by cubstoseriesby100 on Dec 12, 2007 10:50 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Whoa!
I did not hear the entirety of Kaplan's show tonight so cannot make comment on what you say are "lies".

I do know, for a FACT, that Mark Prior was sued for breach of contract for the infamous appearance event that he "attended" for twenty minutes in the NW Suburbs, leaving many kids disappointed, an event he was handsomely paid for.

Yeah, he probably attended Kerry Wood's bowling events, but most of the players do. This is a fact, as well.

And, the Cubs Convention I would assume is a contract stipulation, in exchange for the millions of dollars the player makes. It is either in writing, or a verbal agreement that is "strongly suggested" that the player attend.

Mark Prior was a beast. But, he's also a tool, I'm sorry to say. Perhaps he'll change as the years pass.

The Cubs have had several recent reclamation projects: Wade Miller, Scott Williamson, Glendon Rusch, Chad Fox, Ryan Dempster, and Kerry Wood...

They got lucky on two.

Wait 'til next year. And the next. And the Next. And the next after that too.

by TheEman on Dec 12, 2007 11:18 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Convention
Several players every year don't make the convention.  

Yes there was the event at Just Ducky which wound up being very poorly run and executed by both sides. (that's the event you referred to).

Kaplan knows very well Prior made charity appearances.  Heck he was featured in a Cubs care brochure at several.

If Kaplan didn't know very well Prior was at every convention I wouldn't be as bothered by what he said tonight.

We are all waiting for that glorious October night when we finally win it all. Until then we will continue to cheer, never do the wave and hope.

by cubstoseriesby100 on Dec 12, 2007 11:22 PM CST