Brian Roberts admits steroid use
Per ESPN, Roberts has admitted a one-time use of steroids back in 2003.
One of the most circumstantial accusations of the Mitchell report has now proven true. This story seems to be one of a player, struggling in his initial opportunities in the big leagues, searches for the edge to keep himself playing. He uses PEDs, abandons them, and later succeeds without them.
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The article reads a bit differently to me.
Read what follows:
Sounds right to me.
So now we believe steroid users?
That's actually what the
The report...
DmL
Agree with Maddog
In this case...
Then again...
Not to play conspiracy theorist, but both Petite and now Roberts only admitted the "bare minimum" of use that would match the allegations in the report....nothing more, nothing less.
I find it hard to believe that these guys who REFUSED to talk to the Mitchell committee, who strenuously denied using before the report (at least in Petite's case, although I believe Roberts probably did so too), and guys who were willing to break the rules are now suddenly telling the WHOLE truth.
Look, no one "uses steroids" once - you don't get results or anything that way, plain and simple. You have to be on a regimen for awhile to see any improvements. And I find it difficult to believe that Petite ONLY used HGH to recover from injury, and didn't continue to use after he recovered....
Maybe they are telling the truth. But I think we should suspend our belief of these "confessions" until we learn more (if we learn more, that is).
Bingo
I think its nice that Pettitte, Roberts, Vina and a few others are admitting to some wrong doing. However I do not for the life of me believe what they are saying. They may be telling the truth. They may not. But as a whole I think these guys very likely are confessing to the bare minimum because they know this likely is the only official investigation that MLB is likely to do. They take the quick media hit and then the focus goes onto the dozens of players still yet to comment along with all those who deny use.
DmL
Exactly.
As I said, I don't buy the "I did it only once" any more than "I didn't inhale." Both are blatant lies issued as an attempt to control the story the media is writing.
I can't agree.
I don't think it's too far-fetched to think that someone could be in a slump and mentally down, and then they realize that they just made a mistake and felt bad. In fact, that's kind of what I got from Roberts' statement about it.
by Mark H @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Dec 18, 2007 4:06 PM CST up reply actions
So he admitted
It may match what is in the report, but the report was mostly incomplete. If someone decided to take steroids, they almost certainly stuck with it. Roberts suddenly turned a lot of his doubles into home runs and in recent years those home runs have turned into doubles again. If there is any such player that makes a perfect example of steroid use (steroid use lasting longer than one year), it's Brian Roberts.
But the point is that he lied, lied, lied, lied and then told some form of the truth. Why would anyone believe him?
Like Pettitte's admission, this wasn't an admission to the fans. It was an admission to the media in hopes of getting them off their back and to control the story that's being written about them as both have successfully done.
Yes, Roger Clemens' denial sounds like a guilty man's pleas. That doesn't mean that Roberts and Pettitte told the truth though.
Your point is taken.
Indeed...
This is why I have long said that Barry Bonds is not a Hall of Famer according to the argument that "before he started using..." because we do not know when he started using. It may be conventionally assumed that Bonds started using in 1998/1999 however since he has shown a willingness to use there is no reason to assume that he wasn't using throughout the 1990s when performance enhancers were readily available.
DmL
Your point is taken.
If you look at pre- and post-1998 photos of Bonds, I think that pretty well confirms that.
Fool me once
I'd expect to hear in the coming weeks from a number of "one time" users. It reminds me of the surge of evangelists who sinned once ala Swaggert and Baker. Now they want use to believe and forgive them.
Would we be so forgiving if we didn't want Roberts on our team?
No, he may have told the truth.
I think this admission is similar to the drunk being pulled over by a police officer and when asked if he's been drinking, he says he has a drink or two. Obviously you have to admit to something so you admit next to nothing.
Lied for years?
If someone was indeed guilty of having used steroids repeated over the years, I'm not sure why they'd publicly admit to something that could be so easily disproved.
More likely, they'd take Clemens' approach of making a vague non-denial denial, saying that "There's no proof! He never failed a drug test! The dude is lying!"
No I can't cite anything.
Of course you can't.
How about this tidbit
Taken from the ESPN article about Roberts admitting.
My point wasn't whether or not Roberts is lying
I skim....
Does anyone.....
Also, FYI, please put up more bogus studies on the impact of HGH. They are very amusing.
Happy Holidays!
by timeforachange on Dec 18, 2007 2:21 PM CST up reply actions
Clemens
by Kinky Reggae on Dec 18, 2007 3:51 PM CST up reply actions
It's time to use common sense
I'm also tired of the constant talking about; "it wouldn't hold up in a court of law". Well, we are in the court of "common sense" and that court tells me there is a wide ranging problem with PED's in MLB that far exceeds the names on the list.
IMO, the dirty laundry in the report had to come to the forefront to move things forward. If there is fallout from it, then that is part of the price you pay to move things in the right direction.
Moving forward...
You can clean up the steroids in baseball and that just means that players have found other means to improve performance that is either more efficient than steroids, safer than steroids, or less detectable than steroids...or a combination of all 3.
There will be no time in baseball or any other sport where everyone is playing on a level playing field with everyone else. There never has been in baseball, or any sport dating back more than 2000 years.
Everyone takes the path of least resistance. Not everyone has the same moral standards and therefore the paths are sometimes different based on those standards, but each and every person takes the path of least resistance that conforms to their moral and ethical standards. Until you eliminate all those that are morally and ethically challenged, progress will not truly be made. And, obviously, we can eliminate a large percentage of mankind.
Are we going to continue to form an investigative team once every 20 years to name 80-some players who have cheated or are we going to accept that human beings cheat and therefore baseball will always have its fair share of cheaters?
I vote for accepting what we cannot possibly do anything about. Accepting doesn't mean we agree with the actions of others. It just means we acknowledge that human beings are always going to cheat one way or another. There's nothing you can do about. There's nothing I can do about it. There's nothing anybody can do about it.
I don't disagree
It's a fact that some scientist (or many) is tooling around in his lab right now, coming up with a new synthetic PED that can not be detected. They also work on substances that can make a dirty player look like they are clean by masking the results.
If they want to significantly level the playing field, they need to change the culture of everyone involved (players, union, owners and MLB). I am not opposed to players being suspended not only for positive tests, but from investigations that come up with evidence (beyond a reasonable doubt) that someone was using. Also, portions of players urine samples should be kept in storage, so they can be tested at a later date (when new testing is available) to determine if someone was dirty a year or two in the past. This is not an end all be all, but it could serve as a healthy deterent for those on the fence.
You have said THE most important thing.
Absolutely, positively!!!
Now, the question is, is this even possible? I'm not optimistic.
I don't know Al
To me, the biggest issue is leadership. IMO, Selig does not have what it takes to make this happen. He seems to lack the stones and does not appear to have the respect of the players or the union. They need a real ball buster in that role that is loaded with integrity, and it ain't him.
Hmmm...
Some take-home points: (i) the Report has value because it could disuade future cheating-- players will not want to see their names in Report 2.0; (ii) lots of guys cheated, probably many more than the group named in the Report, but they probably won't cheat again (unless they are named "Neifi"); and (iii) Roberts' bat would help the Cubs, so why not get him? Teams will trade for him, so why should the Cubs, out of some principled moralism, end up as suckers?
Some thoughts on Roberts
That Roberts followed Pettite in the "only once or twice" explanation would seem fishy to me if it were not for the fact that a lot of people were coming out to defend Roberts and attacking the MR for including Roberts' name at all. Peter Angelos even blasted the MR on Roberts' behalf. It might have been easier for Roberts to just keep quiet.
Roberts' story also highlights one of the sadder aspects of the PED story - many players are tempted to use because their jobs are at stake and might be lost to other users. They use because they are tempted to think that is the only way to level the playing field.
I am fairly sure I am remembering this correctly - that in 2003, Jerry Hairston Jr. won the 2B job in spring training and played through May fairly well before breaking his foot. This gave Roberts his shot. He came up and in his second game hit a game winning Grand Slam off of Troy Percival. Then five games later he did it again. After a hot start, he cooled off and kept cooling through the year until September when Hairston came back. Roberts was battling for playing time against a player the MR also names for more frequent use (I am not speculating on JHJr's guilt or innocence.). If Brian Roberts believed he was losing playing time and potentially going to be sent back to the minors and blocked by a player who was using PEDs, there would undoubtedly be a strong temptation to use them himself.
I don't know for sure that this is Brian Roberts' story, but from my limited viewing of the MR, it seemed to me like there were a whole lot more stories like this than like Barry Bonds'.
It Seems
I'm not saying what he now claims isn't the truth, it seems to match what the Mitchell report says - but if he were already a villian in our eyes (Sox, Cards, Brewer...) would we be so ready to accept this as the truth?
I also wonder how long it will be before a major league player can make any claim of the truth and people just accept it as the truth.
No opinions here, just ponderings.
by HectorVillanueva on Dec 18, 2007 8:51 AM CST reply actions
My take
As for "forgiving," I don't know that forgiveness comes into it at all. I guess he asks for forgiveness in his statement, but I'm not a victim in this. Nor do I stand in judgment over him personally.
He says he wants people who might be judging him to know "the facts." But I don't know any facts. The Mitchell Report didn't give me "the facts." Larry Bigbie said Roberts tried them. Roberts said he tried them. So I guess I know that.
But I can't know if Roberts has used them more than that. I can't know any thing about any player in baseball because of the culture that the owners, managers, trainers, players all contributed to creating. The whole generation is guilty to some degree, including our idols that we are "certain" are clean. Even if they did stay clean, they were a part of the union who opposed testing when it should have been demanding testing. No less so are the owners and managers and trainers a part of those who hold the guilt.
But all told, I'd rather just move on.
I find that I'm very tired
I understand that HGH is being used in ALL sports and right now, there is no effective, non evasive test for that. Until there is a legitimate test that can be used, I choose not to speculate about something that really can't be controlled.
Steroids are a non-issue?
Do you honestly think that someone hasn't already found something else that can't be detected? I would venture yes to this question.
oops, forgot to add
My earlier comment made me sound like a moron who doesn't know about HGH. Whoops!
OMG....
If you answered yes, ask yourself why.
Me personally I could care less what ANY citizen or professional/amateur athlete puts in his/her body. Why should I?
I'm not Gladys Kravitz peeking out the window wondering what everyone is doing behind closed doors. Why? IT"S NONE OF MY BUSINESS.
This puritan bullshit has got to stop.
by MaTheMeatloaf on Dec 18, 2007 11:16 AM CST up reply actions
I couldn't care less
People always find ways to cheat. All I was saying was that they will continue to do so, with help from further non-detectable means.
Do I care what they do? Not in the least. I'll still watch baseball regardless of PEDs or whatever the next scandal will be.
Why steriods are bad for baseball
ok,...
BUT,...the majority of fans actually ENJOY seeing home runs hit. It's a fact that the mojority of fans would rather see bombs hit than a 'pitcher's duel'. It's just our culture. Fast food, Pepsi Generation, I want it yesterday.
Not my problem.
I still don't understand how some can hate on a player for taking PED. Why? For the sake of the kids? Like Charles Barkley said, 'I'm not a role model, the parents shoudl be role models.' Is it bad for the kids to see celebritys smoking in movies or on tv? What about alcohol? Is it bad for the kids to see drinking of hard liquor, wine or beer on tv or being advertised? I mean, hell, let's bring back Prohibition. That worked marvelously. See the hypocrisy? Ask yourself how many kids are killed each year in drunk driving related deaths. And yet those parents who lost their sons to suicide, which they directly attributed to steroid use, were made the fools.
Are we gonna see those parents lobby to get rid of booze? Of course not.
It has nothing to do with 'the children' and everything to do with our freedoms.
First the government said steroids didn't work. Uh, whoops. Guess they do. I mean did they forget that pharmacuetical companies actually make these drugs for a reason. Burn victims to regrow skin faster, as just one example.
So there's lie #1.
Next they said your balls would shrivel up and fall off. Whoops. Whaddya mean hcg, (no not HGH), can fix that.
Lie #2.
Then your heart would explode or you'd get liver cancer or something.
All the while not realizing, or not caring, that they started prescribing Testosterone Enanthate as a form of male birth control in the early 90's.
Well, wait a minute. Does the drug realize that if it's being prescribed for male BC that it's nto allowed to cause cancer? Of course not. Because it doesn't cause cancer. Steroids are no more harmful than alcohol. If abused, yes they can mess you up.
This country where we praise our freedoms so often is the same country where our government controls us and works to take those freedoms away.
I realize most will disagree with the above. I could care less. The hypocrisy bothers me the most.
by MaTheMeatloaf on Dec 18, 2007 4:01 PM CST up reply actions
While I somewhat disagree with you
by Kinky Reggae on Dec 18, 2007 3:52 PM CST up reply actions
I'm still waiting.....
I'm not saying Roberts or Pettite or anyone in particular is guilty. But someone is. I know the Mitchell report wasn't supposed to be exhaustive, but a guy injecting 1 time has almost no impact on the sport. The real impact comes from the "users". And really the only one I see in the report (if you believe the evidence) is Clemens. Others mentioned in the report probably were users, it's just not in there. So to me this report is really pretty useless. It makes for some good reading material but nothing in there really gives anyone an idea of the how bad the real problem has been.
by Kyle Turney on Dec 18, 2007 10:16 AM CST reply actions
The problem is...
I was thinking more of current players. Those are the ones who are fueling the current market (or what's left of it)
by Kyle Turney on Dec 18, 2007 11:40 AM CST up reply actions
Pfft.....bring him to the North Side!!!
Bedard and Roberts
Update
As for an update, check out MLBTR update on the Cubs' interest in Bedard.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2007/12/cubs-interest-1.html
It appears there are conflicting reports. Go figure.
Check out the comments for some pretty off-the-wall trade scenarios fans come up with. I doubt any of them will work.
Might I suggest...
Answer, of course you can suggest it, and its a good suggestion at that. But it seems to me the other guy's comment was perfectly appropriate for this thread. Why else do we care about Roberts on the CUBS fansite except as a possible trade target?
It seems pretty natural to inquire whether Roberts' admission of steroid use affects the likelihood of a deal being made, or the overall desirability of such a deal.
by Orval Overall on Dec 18, 2007 12:44 PM CST up reply actions
It would be a good move
That said, he'd be a great addition to the lineup, and Bedard would be a great "1.A" to pair with Zambrano, Lilly and Hill. That move would probably make us favorites in the NL Central.
by Orval Overall on Dec 18, 2007 12:41 PM CST up reply actions
Why?
Why does the NFL get a free pass? You have to do a search to see who has been suspended by the NFL regarding their substance-abuse policy. In baseball it's splashed across the New York Post and every paper across the country when someone has been SUSPECTED of using, not testing positive.
Can we assume Sen. Mitchell isn't a football fan?
Why isn't Don Shula or John Madden conducting an investigation?
Agreed...
by Kyle Turney on Dec 18, 2007 11:43 AM CST up reply actions
I don't believe him
He went from 2001 to 2004 hitting a total of 12 HR's. Then in 2005 he hit 18 HR's. 2006 10 and 2007 12. That to me screams, not natural.
But what can you do about it? To me it's a non issue. You can speculate about it til you're blue in the face, but to steal that in vogue saying, it is what it is. He admitted and he's never been caught.Open shut case.
Obviously it lowers his trade value and if the Cubs acquired him tomorrow, I'd be thrilled. As long as he brings his "personal trainer" with ;)~
Going from...
How? I haven't looked, but I'll bet you could find dozens of players who have done this, "naturally".
Yes, it does scream not natural
12 HR's in 4 seasons is Augie Ojeda terroritory.
18 Hr's a season is Mark Derosa terroritory.
You don't find that a lettle odd?
A total of 12 Hr's in 4 seasons than all of a sudden he hit 18 HR's in 1 season. That's a 1000% increase in HR production from 1 season to the next. We're not talking about a guy that ever had any whoever at any level of his baseball career hitting HR's. In 5 Minor League seasons, he hit a total of 6 HR's, in 5 seasons. Sure he didn't go from 12 HR's to 40 in one season, but that would be just not possible for this guy, who is 5'8, under any circumstance.
So to answer your question, it is very suspicious to me, especially coming from an admitted steroid user.
Derosa is a poor comparison too
Does anyone really care
Baseball attendance is at an alltime high
Do I care that players use? Sure
Will I stop attending? NO
Its freaking entertaiment
Stippers are ehnanced, the Rocketts are enhanced, Playmates are enhanced, Wrestlers and NFL players are enhanced, actresses are enhanced.
See a recurring theme.
For thr sake of younger generations I'd like to see PED's and solid testing done.
The only thing I can do is teach my kids moral and ethical ways to live, once they leave my house and hit the big leagues (I have 4 LH boys) its up to them.
Will I defend them if they PED or not. Absolutley
Baseball is entertainment. Where's all the national hangwringing and bashing to help the poor, clean up the justice system, politics, education, racial disparity.
Sports is entertainment, if they cheat I really couldnt give a rats ass (MLB has no integrity and never has as it was formed as a racially exlusive group, integrity of the game is PR BS)
Trade for B Roberts
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