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The Top 100 Cubs Of All Time - #4 Ryne Sandberg

Profile co-written by BCB reader TheBeerBaron and Al; the personal references within are TheBeerBaron's

To many baseball fans outside of the Chicago area, a player with a career hitting line of .285/.344/.452 (.796 OPS) would be regarded as slightly above average -- not really a player worthy of enshrinement in the Baseball Hall of Fame in Cooperstown. To fans of the Chicago Cubs, this line represents one of the greatest players to ever grace the friendly confines of Wrigley Field and a modern day baseball legend -- Ryne Sandberg.

The fondest memories of my early childhood predominately revolve around the Cubs' most notable second baseman. Ironically enough, the then not-very-notable January 27, 1982 trade of Ivan DeJesus to the Phillies for Sandberg and Larry Bowa occurred less than six months before my exact date of birth. My own personal affliction for the Chicago Cubs began courtesy of Ryne Sandberg. Nearing my fifth birthday in May of 1987, I became aware of Sandberg simply because of the similarities in our first names -- Ryne and Ryan. Due to this personal revelation of sorts, Ryne Sandberg instantaneously became my childhood hero -- along with several characters from Sesame Street, of course. From that time on, I loyally followed the Chicago Cubs and the career of Sandberg in particular, extensively and thoroughly.

For over a decade, Ryne Sandberg was the face of the Cubs franchise. Number 23 provided a legion of dedicated followers a glimmer of hope that one day soon, their years of futility and suffering would end. His time on the North Side failed to provide a much-coveted World Series title -- or even a National League pennant -- to the Cubs' faithful. However, due in large part to the emergence of "Ryno" during the 1984 season, the Cubs participated in their first post-season series in 39 years.

Ryne Dee Sandberg was born in Spokane, Washington, on September 18, 1959, to a father who was, of all things, a baseball fan with a sense of humor. He named his sons after his favorite players -- Ryne after Ryne Duren, a hard-throwing relief pitcher (and maybe it's a good thing Sandberg's father only knew the short version of Duren's name; his given name was "Rinold"), and Ryne's older brother was named Del, after 1950's era Phillies slugger Del Ennis.

Sandberg was a three-sport star in high school -- basketball, football and baseball -- and had been a highly recruited HS quarterback prospect. He had committed, in fact, to attend Washington State University when the Phillies drafted him in the twentieth round of the 1978 June amateur draft.

As Cubs fans, we can only be forever thankful that Ryne Sandberg passed up what likely, due to his great athletic talent, could have been a successful career as a NFL quarterback, to sign with the Phillies and start riding the minor-league buses in the Pioneer League, for their affiliate in Helena, Montana.

His minor league statistics are far from notable, though he did lead each of his minor leagues in OBA, and showed some speed; he hit twelve triples and stole 32 bases for the Double-A Reading Phillies in 1980.

Just before he turned 22 in September 1981, Sandberg was called up to the Phillies, with Dallas Green being his field manager. That team, the defending world champions, didn't have much space for a skinny shortstop, so his month in their red pinstripes consisted primarily of pinch-running and being a defensive replacement. But on September 27, 1981, ironically enough at Wrigley Field, Sandberg was sent in to play the last five innings of the second game of a doubleheader, a game the Cubs (a horrid team that year) were inexplicably winning 13-0 after five innings. In the eighth inning, with two out and a runner on first, Sandberg hit a little flare into short right field off Mike Krukow, his first major league hit and the only one he hit in a Phillies uniform.

Speaking of which, here's a rare photo of our hero in said uniform:

After the season, Green was hired as Cubs GM, and knew of Sandberg's potential and talent, so he set out to acquire him, without letting on how badly he desired him. Green also wanted Larry Bowa's veteran leadership for a young Cubs team, so he arranged a swap of shortstops, Bowa for Ivan DeJesus, a younger, faster man. But Green insisted on Sandberg as a "throw-in", and wouldn't do the deal without him. Eventually the Phillies agreed.

It was one of the best deals in Cubs history. Bowa gave the Cubs three decent years, and was the starting SS for the 1984 division champs. DeJesus fizzled out, and you all know about Sandberg.

Green had also acquired Bump Wills to play second base, so with 2B and SS covered, Sandberg was installed at third base to begin the 1982 season. He promptly went 1-for-32; other managers would have given up on "the kid", but to Lee Elia's credit, he stuck with him -- in the next nine games he would go 14-for-41 (.341), with his first two major league homers. His 1982 season finished capably, with a .271/.312/.372 line and 32 stolen bases.

In the ensuing offseason the Cubs signed veteran Ron Cey to play third base, and with Wills departing to play in Japan, Sandberg relocated to second base. As a full-time starting second baseman for the Cubs in 1983, Ryno was awarded the first of his nine consecutive Gold Gloves. While his defensive prowess earned him national recognition, Ryno's offensive skills failed to flourish as quickly. From his Major League debut in late 1981 through the 1983 season, Ryne only managed a .265 batting average with an on base percentage (OBP) of 312. The Cubs finished their 1983 season with a 71-91 record--fifth in the National League Eastern Division.

Although that bittersweet season of 1984 occurred merely 2 years after my birth, any Cub fan can tell you that this was the season that the baseball world discovered Ryne Sandberg. In large part that was due to the patient coaching of new manager Jim Frey, who had been a batting coach for many years. He worked with Sandberg in spring training, convincing him that he could hit for more power without sacrificing batting average.

And on June 23, 1984, Ryno's status changed from rising Cubs superstar to baseball legend.

Heading into the bottom half of the ninth inning, the Cubs trailed divisional rival St. Louis by a score of 9-8. Baseball's most dominant closing pitcher at that time, future Hall of Famer Bruce Sutter, was on the mound. Sutter was in the midst of arguably his greatest season. In 1984, Sutter finished the year with a 1.54 ERA and a career best 45 saves. According to broadcaster Bob Costas, the game had ended. As Sandberg approached the plate, Costas prematurely named St. Louis' Willie McGee Player of the Game. Immediately following Costas' praise of the Cardinals' outfielder, Ryno proceeded to extend the game with a solo home run to left field. In heroic fashion, Sandberg extended the game further in the tenth inning with a two-run shot, after Bob Dernier had extended the Cubs' chances with a walk drawn on a 3-2 pitch that might very well have been a strike, once again off Sutter -- finishing the day 5 for 6 with 2 home runs and 7 RBI. From that day forward, June 23, 1984 will forever be remembered by Cubs fans as "The Sandberg Game". A great trivia question, incidentally, is "Who got the game-winning hit in the "Sandberg Game?" It was reserve infielder Dave Owen, who singled with the bases loaded in the bottom of the eleventh. After the game, Cardinals manager Whitey Herzog paid Sandberg the ultimate compliment, terming him "Baby Ruth" and calling him  "the greatest player I've ever seen".

Ryno finished the 1984 season posting a line of .314/.367/.520 with 19 home runs, 19 triples. 36 doubles, 84 RBI, 32 stolen bases and 200 hits -- winning the National League's Most Valuable Player award. Although the Cubs lost to the San Diego Padres in the National League Championship Series, Sandberg's season is forever immortalized in Chicago as one of the greatest seasons ever by a Cub.

In 1985, Sandberg's speed and power numbers increased greatly upon the previous years totals. Although the team regressed--finishing in 4th place in the NL East with a 77-84 record--Ryno stole a career best 54 bases (the first Cub to steal fifty or more bases in a season since Frank Chance stole 57 in 1906) and hit 26 home runs. From 1985 through 1988, the Cubs failed to win more than 77 games -- despite the addition of Andre Dawson via free agency from the Montreal Expos. During this stretch, the Cubs changed managers five times. Jim Frey, John Vukovich, Gene Michael, Frank Lucchesi and Don Zimmer all spent time -- albeit brief -- managing on the North Side in the late 1980's.

The 1989 Chicago Cubs team rebounded from a terrible three year stretch, winning the NL East with a record of 93-69. Ryno continued to flourish offensively posting a line of .290/.356/.497 with his first 30 home run season as the Cubs reached the NLCS for the second time in five years, and he finished fourth in MVP voting. Despite an incredible offensive effort by Sandberg in the NLCS--hitting .400/.458/.800 with a home run, 4 RBI and 6 runs scored--the Cubs suffered a crushing defeat at the hands of Will Clark and the San Francisco Giants. This post-season series would be Ryno's final chance to win a World Series.

Sandberg continued to hit well in 1990 -- he had his only forty-homer season (leading the league) and drove in 100 runs (something he would repeat in 1991) and again finished fourth in the MVP balloting, despite the Cubs having yet another losing season.

During spring training in 1993, Sandberg was hit in the hand by a pitch from the Giants' Mike Jackson; the resulting broken bone caused him to miss the first month of the season, and robbed him of much of his power. Though he hit .309, he hit only nine home runs, his lowest total in ten seasons, and he shut it down in mid-September, playing in only 117 games, his fewest in a non-strike season. He was never really the same after this injury.

Sandberg remained the Cubs' second baseman into the 1994 season; off to a poor start (.238/.312/.390), he decided to retire from baseball, a decision that surprised almost everyone. He held a bizarre press conference at which his wife Cindy appeared wearing what was immortalized forever as the "corncob dress":

At the press conference, he was asked why he was retiring at the relatively young age of 34:

"The reason I retired is simple: I lost the desire that got me ready to play on an everyday basis for so many years. Without it, I didn't think I could perform at the same level I had in the past, and I didn't want to play at a level less than what was expected of me by my teammates, coaches, ownership, and most of all, myself."

From his first season with the Cubs in 1982 through the first 57 games into the 1994 season, Ryno played 1866 games (7378 at bats), hitting .289/.349 with 2132 hits, 245 home runs (including the aforementioned National League best 40 in 1990), 905 RBI, 1179 runs, 325 stolen bases and 349 doubles.

Although Sandberg put forth the notion that his retirement was simply due to his fading desire to play the game and to spend more time with his children, it is hardly a secret that some personal problems factored into his decision. According to many sources, Cindy, his high school sweetheart and wife of fifteen years, was unfaithful. Rumors circulated for years that Cindy's promiscuous behavior played a large role in the decision by management to trade both Dave Martinez and Rafael Palmeiro (Palmeiro's trade was more likely due in large part to his lack of power at the time and the fact that management envisioned Mark Grace as their future first baseman) -- just a couple of the players with whom Cindy Sandberg reportedly maintained an intimate affair. Only ten days after the retirement announcement, Cindy filed for divorce.

In the midst of his retirement, Sandberg met his second -- and current -- wife, Margaret Koehnemann. She and her family were Ryne's neighbors in the Phoenix area, and they married and blended their families, five children in all. Late in the 1995 season, Ryne and Margaret were attending a game at Wrigley Field as guests of the Cubs. Margaret would later report that Ryne had "that look in his eyes" and asked him if he wanted to play again. Knowing that his new bride would approve of his return to the Cubs, on October 31, 1995 Ryne Sandberg had another press conference, announcing that he would return to the Cubs for the 1996 season.

Despite hitting 25 home runs and 92 RBI, Sandberg was clearly past his prime. In 1996, Ryno only posted a .244 batting average -- his lowest average for in a full season. After struggling offensively again in 1997, he decided to retire for good. On September 20, 1997, Ryne Sandberg officially played in his final game at Wrigley Field, another dismal loss in a dismal season. Coincidentally, his long time friend in broadcaster Harry Caray performed his last rendition of "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" that day -- Caray passed away in February 1998.

Broadcaster Joe Morgan has often criticized Sandberg on the air, but in my opinion, Ryne Sandberg is the greatest second baseman to grace the diamond. He won nine consecutive Gold Gloves, appeared in 10 consecutive All-Star Games -- winning the 1990 All Star Game's Home Run Derby at Wrigley Field. He won eight Silver Slugger Awards and still possesses the third-highest career fielding percentage for second basemen (.989). In 2164 games, Ryno accumulated 2,386 hits (8385 at bats) with 403 doubles, 76 triples, 282 home runs, 344 stolen bases, 1318 runs and 1061 RBI. The 344 SB are the most for any Cub in the "modern" era (post-deadball), and fourth on the all-time team list. His other Cub rankings include: third in runs, fourth in hits, fourth in doubles, and fifth in total bases and home runs.

In 2004, his third year of voting eligibility, Sandberg earned proper recognition for his career achievements, as he was inducted as the 17th second baseman in Baseball's Hall of Fame -- receiving 393 votes out of 516 ballots (76.2%).

Ryno's critically acclaimed induction speech provided a revitalizing message for every baseball fan, reminding us why the game we love remains one of our national treasures. In an age consumed with astronomical power numbers, many times we fail to realize the fundamental aspects of the game. Sandberg's speech reminded us that laying a perfect sacrifice bunt or turning a simple double play are equally as important as the home run. In a veiled swipe at the players accused of bulking up with steroids, Sandberg said in his induction speech:

If there's a single reason I'm here, it's because of one word: respect. I was taught to respect the game above everything else. I was in awe every time I walked on the field. That's respect. I was taught you never, ever disrespect your opponents or your teammates or your organization or your manager. And never, ever disrespect your uniform.

This speech reminds every single one of us that while at times fans are lost in the "glitz and glamour" of the modern era's power surge, we should never forget the way the game was supposed to be played -- the way Ryne Sandberg played it.

This past offseason has perhaps opened a new chapter in Sandberg's relationship with the Cubs. After several years in retirement in Arizona, Sandberg threw his hat in the ring to become the Cubs' new manager. GM Jim Hendry preferred the experienced Lou Piniella, but offered Sandberg a managerial slot in the Cubs' farm system, telling him that after some experience, he could work his way up toward a major league coaching or managing job. Sandberg accepted and in 2007, at age 47, will be the manager of the low-A Peoria Chiefs this summer, once again riding the buses in the minor leagues. Given his quiet determination, it would not at all be a surprise to see Ryne Sandberg in a Cubs uniform again, someday managing the club at Wrigley Field.

Ryne Sandberg's career stats at baseball-reference.com

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Heh guess he wasn't #1...
...going back to read it now.
PTBNL!

by gravedigger on Feb 15, 2007 8:50 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

thanks
for the great write-up, Sandberg is my favorite player of all time, I even had the good fortune to attend his induction ceremony
keeping mediocrity at bay

by flyball on Feb 15, 2007 9:04 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Larry Himes
was another major factor in Sandberg's retirement.  He hated Himes (asdid many Cubs), and blasted him in his biography (ghost written by Barry Rozner.)

by Clark Addison on Feb 15, 2007 9:11 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Thanks
But you described the Sandberg game incorrectly. His first homer off of Sutter was with the bases empty to lead off the 9th. It tied the game. The Dernier walk preceded his second game-tying homer off Sutter an inning later. The way you describe it, with the Cardinals up 9-8 and Dernier on 1st, a Sandberg homer would have won the game for the Cubs 10-9. However, that's not the way it happened. Also - remember that although the Cubs were down 9-8 when Sandberg first tied it, they had been down 7-0 after two innings. One of the great comebacks in team history.

As anyone who reads BCB probably knows, I was at that game (so was Al) and it was (besides my wedding and having my kids born) the greatest day of my life. I still have my ticket stub. The Dave Owen single was anti-climactic. We knew the Cubs would win. (Remember, they were down 7-0 early in that game)

I was also at the Sept. 27, 1981 doubleheader in which Sandberg got his first hit, but I have no memory of him playing that day.

"Hello again, everybody. Harry Caray from Wrigley Field on a beautiful day for baseball."

by danimal15 on Feb 15, 2007 9:12 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

That one's my fault.
I added in the Dernier detail, but in the wrong place. I'll fix it.
"[BCB] is much better than... well, everything." -- gravedigger, January 21, 2007

by Al on Feb 15, 2007 9:14 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Take a look now.
Better?
"[BCB] is much better than... well, everything." -- gravedigger, January 21, 2007

by Al on Feb 15, 2007 9:15 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks
Definitely better.

Still not sure if it captures the importance of that day. Realize that the Cubs had lost 6 of 8 games leading up to June 23, and that they had fallen behind 7-0 after two innings. It appeared their regular "June swoon" was taking place. Sandberg almost single-handedly brought the Cubs back from the brink with his performance in that game. They went on to win 13 of their next 18 games.

"Hello again, everybody. Harry Caray from Wrigley Field on a beautiful day for baseball."

by danimal15 on Feb 15, 2007 9:31 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The next day...
... as I noted in the Sutcliffe profile, Rick Sutcliffe, in his first Wrigley Field start as a Cub, threw a five-hit shutout with 14 strikeouts.

That series convinced a lot of people that the '84 Cubs were for real.

"[BCB] is much better than... well, everything." -- gravedigger, January 21, 2007

by Al on Feb 15, 2007 9:44 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

This puts
Sosa over Sandberg?

That's a neagative, Ghost Rider.

I very excite about this upcoming season! Jenqui!

by nextyearcub on Feb 15, 2007 9:13 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I must say...
...I am surprised at you Al.  Maybe you are capable of being subjective ;)

Sandberg is my favorite player, I've said it at least 19 times in this thread.  But I'd rank Sosa higher.

PTBNL!

by gravedigger on Feb 15, 2007 9:33 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think...
... you meant "objective", right?
"[BCB] is much better than... well, everything." -- gravedigger, January 21, 2007

by Al on Feb 15, 2007 9:42 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Of course
Forgive me - I have not had my Cadburry eggs yet today.
PTBNL!

by gravedigger on Feb 15, 2007 9:50 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Ack!
No wonder. All that sugar will really rev you up!
"[BCB] is much better than... well, everything." -- gravedigger, January 21, 2007

by Al on Feb 15, 2007 9:52 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

LOL
Of course not!
"[BCB] is much better than... well, everything." -- gravedigger, January 21, 2007

by Al on Feb 15, 2007 9:55 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

No way
Or maybe I'm the only one who thinks one of the greatest players ever at his position (not just the Cubs) should be ranked higher than one who maybe ranks among the top 20 all-time outfielders.
I very excite about this upcoming season! Jenqui!

by nextyearcub on Feb 15, 2007 10:16 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Joe Morgan
I hate Joe Morgan. How could anyone be critical of my favorite Cub of all time. I too grew up, with the spread of cable TV, with Harry, Steve and Ryno. Harry knew, and pointed it out to everyone this was a hall of fame player. I have a signed baseball from Ryno and still have the Trib sports page when he was named to the hall. Yes, he did it the right way. And, he is the player that ANY player could look up to. His induction speech brought tears, speaking  of his teammates (Dawson, Sarge &others) and of respect. The greatest second baseman of all time, the consummate baseball player. Joe Morgan is no Ryne Sandberg, his critical analysis of Sandberg is of envy and hate and I CAN'T STAND JOE MORGAN. Sorry, I had to tell you how I REALLY feel. Sandberg is a great Cub! Thanks for the story beerbaron!
Spendry!!!

by mrcubsfan on Feb 15, 2007 9:15 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

re: Morgan
I can't stand Morgan the announcer either, but to me, Morgan was/is the greatest 2B of all time.

Sandberg was better with the glove, but Morgan was far better at the plate.  Then there's the consecutive MVPs and the whole Big Red Machine vs. the Little Blue Bicycle.

In my eyes, Sandberg ranks about fifth all-time among 2B.  That said, here I'd have him ahead of Anson at least, and perhaps #1.

by Tracy on Feb 15, 2007 9:25 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Hornsby was the best 2nd Baseman...
....and there's not really a close "second" to him.
El Jefe

by Reverend Jim Ignatowski on Feb 15, 2007 6:21 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Well I should have read further...
...down the thread. I wouldn't trade Hornsby for two Joe Morgans.
El Jefe

by Reverend Jim Ignatowski on Feb 15, 2007 6:25 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Not to be the downer
but while I don't like Morgan the announcer, Morgan the 2nd baseman was the best 2nd baseman I've ever seen.  

His lifetime OPS+ is 132 while Sandberg's is 114.  Morgan's 1972 to 1976 was as good as any 2nd baseman stretch probably going back to Rogers Hornsby.  In 1976, his OPS+ was 187.  Morgan also has two MVP's.

Like Mike Schmidt, Morgan the person may be a jerk but you can't argue with him as a player.  

by rlpete on Feb 15, 2007 9:27 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Agree
Thats the funny thing about Morgan.  Morgan completely typifies the type of player that stats guys love, but he hates that type of player.  Hence, Joe Morgan is a giant moron.  But he was the best second baseman ever.

But Sandberg is still my favorite.

PTBNL!

by gravedigger on Feb 15, 2007 9:32 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Joe Morgan...
has cool eyes and was probably the greatest 2nd baseman (behind Todd Walker).  However, he is an arrogant ass and doesn't know how to spell (his chats are awefool).

UZI

"Democratic societies are unfit for the publication of such thunderous revelations as I am in the habit of making." - Salvador Dali

by Ozgreeder on Feb 15, 2007 9:47 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Sandberg is better
Those of you who are saying Morgan is better are giving too much credit to his slight power advantage, and not giving Ryno enough credit for his superior speed and glove.  If you look at the whole package, Sandberg is clearly better - IMO.

I too HATE Joe Morgan, so I am a bit biased.

by Ihatethecards on Feb 15, 2007 9:57 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't want to defend Morgan but
Sandberg doesn't have superior speed.  Considering Morgan played in the Astrodome for part of his career, Sandberg is better with triples but Morgan was a better base stealer.  Morgan has 5 seasons with SB higher than Sandberg's best.      

Morgan (career): 689 SB/162 CS
Sandberg (career): 344 SB/107 CS

Morgan (career): 96 triples
Sandberg (career): 76 triples

Morgan (season highs): 67 SB's, 12 triples
Sandberg (season highs): 54 SB's, 19 triples

Yes, Morgan is way too full of himself and the Big Red Machine but if you saw him play, he was better than Sandberg.    

by rlpete on Feb 15, 2007 10:17 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Morgan
Me, I'm giving Morgan credit for his .392 OBP and the 689 stolen bases, among other things.

by Tracy on Feb 15, 2007 10:40 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

so
can anyone fill me in on when/why this fued started?
"Just say Smith or Jones again, it dont matter, none of this matters"

by ksucubbie on Feb 15, 2007 11:13 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It started...
when Al and BB's Sandberg profile accused Joe Morgan of clubbing baby seals with California Condor corpses.  Bastard.

UZI

"Democratic societies are unfit for the publication of such thunderous revelations as I am in the habit of making." - Salvador Dali

by Ozgreeder on Feb 15, 2007 11:23 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think it started
when Joe Morgan decided that no player that came after himself and the Big Red Machine could ever be as good.  

by rlpete on Feb 15, 2007 11:43 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Thank you!
I have been trying to figure out what all the references to corn cob dresses were about, but I was too embarrassed to ask anyone.

Come to think of it, "Corn Cob Dresses" makes a good name for a fantasy team. . . .

HENDRY!

by cubbiejulie on Feb 15, 2007 9:22 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

There you go!
Great idea.

You never knew this before?

"[BCB] is much better than... well, everything." -- gravedigger, January 21, 2007

by Al on Feb 15, 2007 9:25 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't either
It all makes sense now.
PTBNL!

by gravedigger on Feb 15, 2007 9:31 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Effortlessly
He played the game so effortlessly. He was wonderful to watch. The way he would go to eihter side and snare another would be hit into an out will be my fondest memories of his play. Good article.
"And in the end, the love you take is equal to the love you make"

by wild bill on Feb 15, 2007 9:23 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I like it Al.....
good stuff ;)
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by TheBeerBaron on Feb 15, 2007 9:49 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Thanks!
Your personal notes make it more, well, personal.
"[BCB] is much better than... well, everything." -- gravedigger, January 21, 2007

by Al on Feb 15, 2007 9:52 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

lol....thanks......
I always found it funny that the reason behind my CUBS obsession began basically because I was a little kid and Ryno's name is as close to "Ryan" as you can get ;)
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by TheBeerBaron on Feb 15, 2007 10:05 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Coincidence?
BeerBaron -- Great article.  Based on the details in the Sandberg article, I'm thinking you're my cousin.  Funny if true.  I read BCB all the time but I never took the time to comment.

by jeffinmilwaukee on Feb 16, 2007 11:16 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Very nicely done
'84 is the first season I really started getting into the Cubs. I was 11 and officially caught the "fever".

At the time Sandberg was was favorite Cub and it was great to watch that team play.

WARD!

by cubbieboy on Feb 15, 2007 10:02 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I was two...
and I remember nothing.  Though later, Sandberg became my favorite baseball player of all time.  I have an awful picture of me as a kid between Sandberg and Dawson in Atlanta.  I'm all gap-toothed and weird (even more so) looking.

UZI

"Democratic societies are unfit for the publication of such thunderous revelations as I am in the habit of making." - Salvador Dali

by Ozgreeder on Feb 15, 2007 10:10 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Two.
<sigh>

Post the pic!

"[BCB] is much better than... well, everything." -- gravedigger, January 21, 2007

by Al on Feb 15, 2007 10:12 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, post it....
it would be cool to see the graet and powerful Oz as an omnipotent wee person.

Al, feeling a bit.....aged? ;)

WARD!

by cubbieboy on Feb 15, 2007 10:36 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Don't go there...
...because, trust me, you will get in trouble.
PTBNL!

by gravedigger on Feb 15, 2007 10:37 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I might...
I just hate putting pictures of myself on the internet.  It's a privacy thing, and a "I'm a weird-looking individual with an ugly complex" thing as well.  I may black-bar my face and put it up.

UZI

"Democratic societies are unfit for the publication of such thunderous revelations as I am in the habit of making." - Salvador Dali

by Ozgreeder on Feb 15, 2007 11:20 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Morgan's the greatest 2B ever?
Only to people with short memories.  Rogers Hornsby led the NL in both hitting and slugging for 6 straight years.  Had a career OPS+ of 175! Morgan's was 132.

On the all-time 2B list, I'd place Morgan #4 and Sandberg #6.  

Hornsby   175 OPS+/4772 TBs/1038 Ws/135 SBs
Collins   141/4268/1499/744
Lajoie    150/4474/516/380
Morgan    132/3962/1865/689
Gehringer 124/4257/1186/372
Ryno      114/3787/761/344
Doerr     115/3270/809/54

Hornsby is 5th all-time in OPS+, behind Ruth (207), Williams (190), Bonds (182), and Gehrig (179), just ahead of Mantle (172) and Pujols (171).  Even if he had only an average glove, there's no way any of these guys take the #1 2B spot from the Rajah.

by bleacher on Feb 15, 2007 10:21 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I was getting...
...wrapped up in the Morgan v. Sandberg, but you are right.
PTBNL!

by gravedigger on Feb 15, 2007 10:25 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'll still take Morgan
Hornsby was a great hitter, but an indifferent fielder and a rather unpleasant person in the clubhouse.

Morgan wasn't as good a hitter (who was?), but was a better fielder and leader of one of the best teams ever.

Also, there's the whole issue of Hornsby, et al, playing in a segregated league.

by Tracy on Feb 15, 2007 10:43 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Morgan vs Hornsby
I've read Bill James' take, which is similar to yours, and I just think he's wrong.  Yeah, Hornsby and Ruth and Cobb played segregated baseball.  But they were also the only major sport (besides horse racing and boxing); no competition from basketball or football.  In my son's world, more of his mates play soccer than baseball.  So, I'm not sure how much of an advantage an integrated world should be for Morgan.  The difference between a 175 OPS+ and a 132 is huge.  Maybe you can make a case that Morgan ought to be higher than Collins (very much the same kind of player) or Lajoie (but, hey, they named the team after him!), but I'm unconvinced.

As for the glove, Hornsby might have been "indifferent," but his career fielding pct = league average (actually, slightly above, at 2B), although his range was below league average.  However, he was a good enough fielder to play 350+ games at SS and 190+ more at 3B.  Morgan is above-average in both fielding pct and range.  But that can't possibly make up the difference between an OPS+ of 175 vs 132.  His stolen bases probably cut into that more than the fielding, but a 43 pt difference in career OPS+ is enormous.

By the way, Ryno's fielding range was 5.09 vs L'il Joe's 5.03--and the league average was a lot higher during Morgan's career, so Ryno is +.66 vs the league ave, while Joe is +.34, a significant difference.  Ryno's fielding pct was .989 (+.08 vs league); Morgan's was .981 (+.04 ).  

As for the antimosity of Morgan toward Ryno, Morgan didn't attend Ryno's HoF ceremony--and if you know Morgan, that's the only one he's missed. He's never said anything good about Ryno, although I personally have never heard him say anything bad.  But I believe he was po'd about Ryno's comeback, which resulted in Ryno taking down L'il Joe 2B HR record.

by bleacher on Feb 15, 2007 12:06 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

1983 Topps Sandberg card
That's his rookie card (the one you posted at the top of this article). It's actually surprising that Sandberg didn't get a card in the 1982 set, considering he had played briefly for the Phillies in 1981. Not even a "Phillies Future Stars card" in the next year's set. I've had the 1983 Topps Sandberg card since not long after 1983, and I remember when Sandberg and the Cubs were headed to the playoffs in 1989 a card store owner offered me $10 for it. I refused, thinking it would someday be worth hundreds. Don't think it's worth much more than $10 even now.
"Hello again, everybody. Harry Caray from Wrigley Field on a beautiful day for baseball."

by danimal15 on Feb 15, 2007 10:23 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I chose the rookie card...
... because the batting pose is classic, and there's a good photo of him at the bottom -- and it's the only card that lists him as a 3B (even though, of course, he never played there after 1982).

Not once. He played two games at SS as a Cub, and one at DH in the first year of interleague play.

BTW, did you like the pic of him in a Philly uniform?

"[BCB] is much better than... well, everything." -- gravedigger, January 21, 2007

by Al on Feb 15, 2007 10:30 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I also have...
...that rookie card.  That and the Maddux are the only decent cards I ever collected.
PTBNL!

by gravedigger on Feb 15, 2007 10:32 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Phillies
I have seen that photo of him with the Phillies -can't remember where. Probably in my "Cubs Win!" book from 1984, written by Ned Colletti. I used to have Colletti's book about Sandberg (released in 1985) as well, but have misplaced it. Sandberg autographed it for me at a book signing at Crown Books on Clark and Diversey (long gone) in the summer of 1985. I remember my brother and I waited in a long line with our books. Sandberg was sitting at a table up front, signing away. When we finally got to the front, my brother and I got our books signed, and my brother said, "Thanks, see you around." Sandberg replied, "Yeah." That, to date, is my only conversation with Ryne Sandberg (apparently he's move vocal these days)
"Hello again, everybody. Harry Caray from Wrigley Field on a beautiful day for baseball."

by danimal15 on Feb 15, 2007 10:53 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

dependable
It's games played the last few years, that I miss the excellence of Ryne.  Seeing sure DP's missed because of timimg, accurate throws, etc. makes me "pine for Ryne" once again. He's the best I've seen at turning two, & I saw Maz play for the Bucs. IMO, he was never a great hitter, as he always seemed to have trouble with the breaking ball down & away, but he was a great fastball hitter, & did play the game right. His induction speech was the most inspired & honest one I've ever heard.

by KedzieKid on Feb 15, 2007 10:27 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

No way should Ryno be below Shammy Soso
But, as has been said many times this is Al's opinion. I am guessing that when Shammy's profile does show up, it may break the record for posts for one topic.... Good job on Ryno's bio!

by LT on Feb 15, 2007 10:35 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Green on Sandberg in '82
I was at HoHoKam in the spring of '82, sneaking into a vacant box seat, as I recall.  I was coming back to my seat with a beer when the national anthem started, so I stopped in the aisle.  Then I realized that I'm standing next to Dallas Green.  So, when the anthem is over, I turn to Dallas, and say: "Dallas, is that kid Sandberg going to make the club out of spring training."  Everyone thought the trade was about Larry Bowa at that point, but DeJesus was a lot better player.  Ryno hadn't shown much, so some were questioning the deal.  Green turns to me with a surprised look on his face, looks down over his glasses, and said, "I suppose he might."

I felt I got the message that I was right about the trade: it wasn't really about Bowa for DeJesus, which was a relief in those forlorn days of early '82.

by bleacher on Feb 15, 2007 10:40 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Sandberg
One of the things that I always wondered was what would have happened had Sandberg not been hit by Mike Jackson that spring. Very likely the last few years of his career takes a totally different path. His '93 and even '94 seasons likely would have been much more productive, perhaps even fending off some of the causes for his first retirement. As someone who lists Sandberg at the top of his list of favorite players, its a bitter pill to swallow when you think about what his career numbers would have looked like had he put up "Sandberg-like" stats from '93 through '97.

DmL

by dmlichte on Feb 15, 2007 10:48 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Agreed.
Further, if not for the personal problems, he probably wouldn't have retired in '94 -- and he was only 37 at retirement. He might have played till 2000, been part of the '98 team, and hit over 300 HR, maybe got close to 3000 hits.
"[BCB] is much better than... well, everything." -- gravedigger, January 21, 2007

by Al on Feb 15, 2007 11:52 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Forgot he retired in '97
Who played second for the Cubs after that? Would they have been better with him? would we have embraced Sammy as much if there wasn't a big "star" hole next to Grace? What would one more post-season appearance and possible win in a Cubs uniform have done for his legacy? Anything?

I wonder if he regrets having retired after the '97 season, before the Summer of '98. Anyone know?

worthless...

by tyger1147 on Feb 15, 2007 10:52 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Good question
I think he may have had another year or two in him. I was suprised in the summer of 97 when he announced his retirement. But he was an athlete who had high expectations for himself, and wouldn't have been happy to play for long with his skills declining. Micky Morandini replaced him. I haven't thought of that guy in ages.
"Hello again, everybody. Harry Caray from Wrigley Field on a beautiful day for baseball."

by danimal15 on Feb 15, 2007 10:55 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Ryno
Ryno is my all time favorite not only Cub but professional athlete.

Even my friends in my non sports net groups know about him.

We write group stories and one time we included vegetable themed dress as an element everyone had to include.

I actually babysat for Cindy and Ryne back in the mid 80s a few times.  My friend was their primary sitter and I filled in a few times.  She was a piece of work.  But he was nice.

I've met Margaret.  She is terrific.  And people that know Ryne well said she has done him a world of good.

I saw it the first time I saw them together.  

I think January 27th and September 18th should be Chicago holidays.

We named our new dog Wrigley.  We thought of naming him Sandberg but the kids voted for Wrigley.

2007 THE YEAR OF THE BEAR. Bears didn't quite do it. Cubs to finish job.

by kerrysotherwife on Feb 15, 2007 11:05 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

June 23, 1984
I was upset because my Dad was going to be out of town on my 16th birthday 2 weeks later so we were doing our traditional game 2 weeks early.  (Birthday is July 7th.  Yes I'll be 39 in July.  I'm old).

But we were at that game because of that.  

I insisted on staying until the end.  Have never left a seemingly hopeless game since.

It turns out my husband was there about 20 feet from us.  We didn't know each other yet.

Speaking of birthdays.  My 10th anniversary and 40th birthday are coming up in 2008.  Plans for a party in that thing in the bleachers are starting.  Will post info next spring.

2007 THE YEAR OF THE BEAR. Bears didn't quite do it. Cubs to finish job.

by kerrysotherwife on Feb 15, 2007 11:08 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Good story
It was serendipity that I was there that day. I lived in the neighborhood (I was 13 at the time), and I typically hung around outside the ballpark on Sheffield during batting practice trying to get a home run ball (seldom successful). As I was leaving around 11:30, a guy came up to me and handed me a ticket (really!). He said he couldn't use it, but I could have it. Well, this was in the days before cell phones, and I must not have had a quarter. I couldn't go to the game without telling my parents and with no money, so I rode my bike home. I watched the first couple innings on TV with my brother, and saw the Cardinals take a 7-0 lead. That's when, for whatever reason, I decided to go to the game.

I got back on my bike and made the 5-minute ride to Wrigley. My seat was an upper-deck box, near home plate, and I sat next to the guy who gave me the ticket. But I had my eyes on an empty seat down below, in the front row of the lower deck behind the Cub's on-deck circle. I eyed that seat inning after inning, and no one took it. So in the 8th, I walked down there, right past security (which wasn't as impossible to breach back then) and claimed the seat as my own. So I had the perfect vantage point from which to watch Sandberg's heroics.

When I think back to that day, it's almost as if fate had chosen me to witness the game. First, being handed a ticket out of nowhere. Second, having that seat just waiting for me in the front row. I have a video of Sandberg's second homer that day, and you can see me in the front row standing up to watch the flight of the ball. I initially thought it was going to be caught, but I'm not sure why - it was a no-doubter.

"Hello again, everybody. Harry Caray from Wrigley Field on a beautiful day for baseball."

by danimal15 on Feb 15, 2007 11:38 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Sosa over Sandberg? No way.
I know this is Al's opinion, but though both Ryno and Sammy were great players, Ryno was by far a better and more significant player in Cubs history than Sosa was. He was a class act on and off the field, and that alone puts him above Sosa and his ego, his entourage and his attitude.

I think what will be telling is if Sosa makes it to the HOF, how many Cubs fans will show up for his induction? Cooperstown was overrun with Cubs fans for the Sandberg induction. I doubt the same will be true for Sosa, if he gets there at all.

Throw Jacque Jones down the well, so the Cubs will be free...

by Ross on Feb 15, 2007 11:39 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Good article, but . . .
There is a little more to the story of how Sandberg ended up at 2B.  When they acquired him in January '82, the Cubs needed help everywhere, and in Spring Training they tried Sandberg at 2B, 3B, and even CF (where he did a passable job).  Eventually, they put him at 3B and left him there, focusing on other issues.  It was at the end of Spring Training that they realized that neither Mike Tyson or the recently acquired Junior Kennedy was going to work, so they made the trade for Bump Wills.  Sandberg was already at 3B before they got Wills.

As the season went on, Sandberg proved to be great defensively, but Wills wasn't.  In fact, Lee Elia blasted his defense repeatedly, and by August it was quite clear that Wills wasn't going to be around in '83.  Looking to fill that role, they moved Sandberg there in September -- also knowing that their top prospect, Pat Tabler, was playing 3B and tearing up the PCL.  Sandberg finished the season at 2B, which was intended to be a permanent move.

As for 3B, their first priority was to sign Steve Garvey to play 1B, but when he went to the Padres, they acquired Cey instead.  A few months later, when they accidentally left Fergie Jenkins unprotected in the Free Agent Compensation Draft, they worked out a deal with the White Sox to give them Tabler, Scott Fletcher, and Randy Martz for Steve Trout and Warren Brusstar -- a deal that helped both clubs.

Also, for all the legend about Sandberg being a "throw-in" in the Bowa trade, it really should be emphasized that he was the essential element of the deal.  Even the news stories at the time emphsized that the deal revolved around Sandberg, not Bowa.

by deJesus Freak on Feb 15, 2007 12:15 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

The "throw-in" part...
... was mainly from media reports; few in what we now call the MSM had ever heard of Sandberg.

But you are right. Green wanted Sandberg badly and wouldn't have made the deal without him.

"[BCB] is much better than... well, everything." -- gravedigger, January 21, 2007

by Al on Feb 15, 2007 1:06 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Actually . . .
I had researched this a few years ago.  Tribune stories at the time (January '82) went out of their way to mention that Sandberg was the centerpiece of the deal.

by deJesus Freak on Feb 15, 2007 3:49 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think it comes down to...
...the inability of many people to wrap their minds around the idea that a rookie or minor leaguer has more value than a veteran.  I think nowadays baseball fans are more likely to see this.

Sure, the deal was really for Sandberg, and it was stated explicitly that he was a key element in the deal, but Larry Bowa was famous and coming off a WS victory just two seasons before.  I can see how people at the time paid more attention to Bowa instead of Sandberg as the key pick-up, and Sandberg's fame sort of crept up slowly in 82-83 until it was clear who the real star was.

by dvdmgsr on Feb 15, 2007 4:08 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think
We might be essentially saying the same thing.  The headlines were absolutely not "Cubs trade for Bowa and Minor League Prospect."  It wasn't even a situation in which the news articles spent five paragraphs talking about Bowa, with just a brief paragraph on Sandberg.  Instead, the trade had been speculated about for weeks before it actually went down.  There were several articles mentioning Sandberg, talking about how Green was insistent that he be part of the deal, and speculating where he would play if/when the deal goes through.

Over the years, it's gone down in history as if Bowa was the centerpiece and that Sandberg was not only just a "throw-in," but a completely unknown kid that Green stole out from under the Phillies nose.  It wasn't that way at all -- he was one of their top prospects at the time.

by deJesus Freak on Feb 15, 2007 5:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I also remember
I also looked up those articles a few years ago for the heck of it and it mentioned they expected him to possibly play CF.
2007 THE YEAR OF THE BEAR. Bears didn't quite do it. Cubs to finish job.

by kerrysotherwife on Feb 15, 2007 4:41 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

My all-time favorite Cub.
My first experience with Ryno and the Cubs was the magical 1984 season.  One thing I will always remember about Sandberg, and this is strictly a personal thing...I'm curious if others had a different experience.  At home games we used to wait outside the ballpark next to the players' parking lot, and as I recall, Ryno would usually stop and sign autographs.  However, we also used to go to games in St. Louis occasionally and sometimes stayed at the Marriott across the street from old Busch Stadium where the visiting MLB teams stayed.  Most of the players and coaches and broadcasters could be seen in the lobby, or the restaurant and bar, etc.  I never once, not once, saw Ryne Sandberg anywhere.  Somehow, he was always able to leave the hotel and get across the street to the ballpark without being seen.  
"Don't complain to me about the stormy weather, boys. Just bring the ship into port." --Steve Stone, September 2004

by ctcoff99 on Feb 15, 2007 12:20 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Ryno has always been my favorite
I watched his induction speech and cried like a baby.  Every time my husband passed through, he just shook his head.  Even now, reading through the speech again sends chills up my back.  

Back in 1985, when my brother and I moved to a new neighborhood, we started playing wiffle ball with the other kids.  One older boy was a die-hard Cardinal fan (as many are here) and he wanted to play Cardinals vs. Cubs all the time.  All the kids had names of Cardinal or Cub players.  I got to play on the Cub team.  This older boy told me "well, I guess you can be Ryne Sandberg.  He's pretty good."  I knew absolutely zero at the time about him, so I looked up some info on this guy he named me after.  Wow.  Pretty good did not even begin to describe it.  But, coming from a Cardinal fan, it's not surprising. To make a long story short, so began my allegiance to the Cubs, and my following of Ryno. This also has brewed a long-standing argument with my brother, the Cardinal fanatic.  But even he was pulling for Ryno to get into the Hall of Fame.  

(The next best thing will be to see Ron Santo in there with Ryno, but that's another story.)

My husband and I will be welcoming our second son in April, and we have already decided to name him Ryan.  I wanted to name him Ryne, but we have a friend who named his son Ryne (after Ryno too) and no one ever pronounces or spells his name right, so we decided on Ryan.  Now all we have to choose is a middle name!  :)  

by southernilcubfan on Feb 15, 2007 12:58 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

progs's favorite Cub too...
...God Bless you Mr. Sandberg. It was a joy to watch you play the game.
PINIELLA!

by theprognosticator on Feb 15, 2007 1:22 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

hmm...
I'm sensing a bit of irk-irk in your posts towards me of late.

If we're done being friends let me know.

PINIELLA!

by theprognosticator on Feb 15, 2007 2:17 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think
he's just hopped up on suger from the cadbury
keeping mediocrity at bay

by flyball on Feb 15, 2007 2:21 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Perhaps it is that
It just sounded like progs post was a bit of a memorial, the kind you give when a guy croaks.  I was just making sure I hadn't missed any important news.
PTBNL!

by gravedigger on Feb 15, 2007 2:23 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

hmm...
...more irk-irk...

Do we need to fight or something?

PINIELLA!

by theprognosticator on Feb 15, 2007 2:26 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

No
I am quite happy to hear that Sandberg is still alive.

Also, I hear he is managing this year.

PTBNL!

by gravedigger on Feb 15, 2007 2:27 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

First Julie, now you
Damn, I can't make anyone happy.

Anyway, stop trying to hijack the Sandberg thread.  This was a good profile.

PTBNL!

by gravedigger on Feb 15, 2007 2:32 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

My Sandberg story
When I was in first grade my mother and I went to Arizona to visit her brother and we were able to go to a Cubs spring training game. I got a couple autographs that day including one from Billy Williams. After the game was over everyone lined up near the player entrance to try to get more autographs (I was first in line by the way). It had been quite awhile when all of a sudden most of the line started running in the direction of the parking lot. My mom told me that it was Ryne Sandberg walking to his car. I quickly followed the rest of the crowd. A pretty good sized group of people surrounded him and started asking for autographs. Ryne Sandberg obliged and started signing. I was on the outside of the group trying to get closer. One of the older guys (maybe late teens early twenties) got his autograph and as he turned around to walk away accidentally (it seemed like he was excited that he got his autograph and was just not paying attention) knocked me over. Ryne grabbed my hand and helped me up off the ground and asked me if I was alright. He signed my glove after making sure I was okay. I think the autograph has almost completely faded away by now (it was a ballpoint pen), but it is one of my earliest memories as a Cubs fan (that and me wanting to send Andre Dawson a cookie in the mail to show how much I liked him).

by NL doormat on Feb 15, 2007 1:52 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Mistake in Article re: Final Game!
Sandberg's final game at Wrigley wasnt' his dismal 0-4 performance in the Cubs loss on Saturday 9/20/97!

It was his 2-3, RBI-double-off-Schilling, pulled-for-pinch-runner-in-the-5th-for-standing-ovation, 11-3 Cubs Win performance on Sunday, 9/21/97!

by ClosingTime on Feb 15, 2007 2:31 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the clarification...
... that one was one I missed when I was going through this.
"[BCB] is much better than... well, everything." -- gravedigger, January 21, 2007

by Al on Feb 15, 2007 2:32 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Question
Which of those games was the Sandberg tribute one? I went to the tribute game when they had a ceremony beforehand. I can't recall the game too well, but I think they lost.
"Hello again, everybody. Harry Caray from Wrigley Field on a beautiful day for baseball."

by danimal15 on Feb 15, 2007 3:51 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

IIRC...
... the tribute was on Saturday, his final game on Sunday.
"[BCB] is much better than... well, everything." -- gravedigger, January 21, 2007

by Al on Feb 15, 2007 4:03 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I too, was there for both of these games
My wife at the time was a big Sandberg fan, so we went to both Saturday and Sunday's games fairly spur of the moment.  Got the see the shiny car they game him and the waves to the crowd - very electric.

Little did we know that when we sang with Harry at the 7th inning stretch on Sunday, that it was the last time we would do that, as Harry died the next February.

by Ihatethecards on Feb 16, 2007 8:00 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Sandberg Game
I think it's worth remembering and pointing out that  Willie McGee did hit for the cycle while collecting 6 RBI. No one ever points those stats out although they do say that Costas had already named him player of the game. Sandberg left that great performance a forgotten footnote.

by alwaysacub on Feb 15, 2007 3:55 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Costas
I have a tape of the broadcast, and immediately after Sandberg's second game-tying homer off Sutter, Costas says something like, "Well sit down, Willie McGee, it looks like we might have a new player of the game!"

Costas' call of Sandberg's second homer was along the lines of, "Do you believe it? It's gone!" At the end of the game he says, "Best one I've seen in years." He did a great job.

And Harry's call of the second homer was: "He did it again! He did it again! The game is tied! The game is tied! Holy Cow!"
You can hear Lou Boudreau in the background yelling "Whoa!," and then saying "How about that?"

"Hello again, everybody. Harry Caray from Wrigley Field on a beautiful day for baseball."

by danimal15 on Feb 15, 2007 4:58 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks
to beerbaron and Al for a wonderful story on Ryne Sandberg. Although I grew up in the Ernie Banks, Billy Williams, Ron Santo era, Sandberg has always been my favorite Cub and also my favorite baseball player of all time.

There was nothing he didn't do well. He hit for average, hit with power, ran the bases like a gazelle and fielded his position better than anyone. Just watching him run the bases in his prime was a treat.

Plus, Ryno did things the right way. Although he played on mostly bad teams (with the exception of '84 and '89, of course), he simply went about his business. He never complained, just went to the ballpark every day and played baseball. That's why, to me, he's the ultimate baseball player. Period.

It's a shame he retired when he did, but he never should have come out of retirement either. His Hall of Fame induction was more than worthy. And, as far as Joe Morgan goes, he couldn't hold Ryno's jock strap.

by rynofan23 on Feb 15, 2007 4:09 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Thank you.....
I don't know if there will ever be a CUB that will live up to Sandberg's status for me......I thought Prior was on his way, lol....
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by TheBeerBaron on Feb 15, 2007 6:30 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I have attended
one HOF ceremony, its was Sandbergs. Boggs was also inducted that day. Cub fans outnumbered Red Sox fans at least 2 to 1. Boggs speech was more of "Me", "I" and about his life, and maybe rightly so. Sandberg's was of himself, but also the game, the respect of the game, that is what I and my family got from his speech.
 The Morgan fued always burned me. I always felt that Morgan thought that Sandberg was overrated, Ryno never dives for balls, average numbers, so on and so on. With Sandberg it was never about the other player, it was the game itself, and what I can do to help the Cubs win. Morgan was a great player, great team player, but an self absorbed individual that cared about "his" legacy.
 What a shame that Ryno (1) got hit by Jackson, and (2) had apparently a horrible first wife. If it is true about Martinez and Palmerio running "The Corn Cob woman", no wonder Ryno left the game early. Also the wonderful Larry Himes who had a part in Ryno's departure and the free agent mess with Maddux.
 Sandberg was great to watch. I would go to Philly everytime the Cubs were in town, and the bitterness the old time Philly fans had towards "giving" the Cubs, 1st Jenkins and 2nd Sandberg was hilarious.
 I too disagree with Sosa being ahead of Sandberg. Sosa has the numbers, however Sandberg had the belly and heart.
 Here is hoping one day Ryno is filling out the lineup card in Wrigley.

by Johnny Callison was a Cub on Feb 15, 2007 4:15 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I fondly recall...
Mr. Sandberg diving for a ball ONCE. That was after he made his big comeback. Please don't tell me that he didn't have to dive because he "had great range." BS! There were a multitude of plays he could have made, but didn't, had he only wanted to get a let dirty. My opinion is that he was vastly overrated as a second baseman.

That being said, I loved him at third and he was a pretty good offensive player.

MoFo!

by Blood Brother on Feb 15, 2007 4:33 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

You don't have to dive if you're already there.
We can also remember Sandberg making plays as far to his right as behind second base, and on his left, practically behind the first baseman.

Sandberg was always in position, and he had a ridiculous first step.

You can't have multiple 300 put-out, 500 assist, or 100 double-play seasons if you're a slow middle infielder.

by ClosingTime on Feb 15, 2007 4:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

umm
ok man so his range was poor? He chose not to get dirty? Everyone saw a different player than you? Was his all time leading fielding percentange part of being overrated? or his multiple GG's? do you actually know what player we are talking about because i think your looking for the todd walker thread
"Just say Smith or Jones again, it dont matter, none of this matters"

by ksucubbie on Feb 15, 2007 4:48 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

overrated as a second-baseman
yeah right, I don't even know why I am replying to your nonsense, but everyone has an opinion I guess.

by Johnny Callison was a Cub on Feb 15, 2007 6:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Ahhh, my first true love!
Growing up with the Cubs of the eighties, my memories revolve around Ryno and the Hawk and the early Maddux years.  I remember watching the Sandberg game with my dad on WGN.  After that game, Sandberg became my idol.  When I started playing softball, I wanted to play second base as a tribute to him.  Alas, my coach made me a catcher.  

To this day, I'm hard-pressed to think of another Cubs player of my generation who exuded such talent and class.  I wept when he retired the first time; I rejoiced when he returned.  I made the bookstore her in Michigan special-order his book, and I wore the binding off the first copy I bought, it was so often read.

I taped the Hall of Fame ceremonies and cheered him in my living room in admiration for his speech.

I secretly hoped he would be #1, but that is my own opinion.  For me, Ryne Sandberg is the living symbol of baseball and the Cubs, and I continue to be a fan of this team in the hopes that I will see someone of his class and caliber come through the town of Chicago again one day.  

MCDONOUGH!

by secdelahc on Feb 15, 2007 7:46 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Ryno.....
Honesty compels me to say, that maybe, just maybe I didn't appreciate him as much as I should have when he was playing. He really was special, and he respected the game, and he absolutely, positively nailed his HOF induction speech.
I just feel so much better when I'm drinking beer.

by deadcatbounce on Feb 15, 2007 7:56 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Ahem
"If I was Billy Beane, I wouldn't write the book 'Moneyball!!!!!!!'"

(shrugs)

Seemed appropriate.

HENDRY!

by cubbiejulie on Feb 15, 2007 8:43 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

That....
never gets old.  Ol Joe should be receiving his complimentary/annual copy from me around this time next month.  

UZI

"Democratic societies are unfit for the publication of such thunderous revelations as I am in the habit of making." - Salvador Dali

by Ozgreeder on Feb 15, 2007 8:48 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

So awesome
I know I've said it before, but I admire you for that.
"Looking for good signs is a good sign of delusion." - Me

by gravedigger on Feb 15, 2007 8:57 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I actually haven't read all of Moneyball...
which is sad, I know.

I'm almost done though. I just never really thought about reading baseball books until I came to BCB where everyone talks about all these baseball books.

It's even more pathetic when I realize I read a ton of Gossip Girl books and A-List books(although I really like A-List).  

I love the book. I get so happy every time I read more of it.

"I don't talk. I just let what I do talk for myself." -Johan Santana

by sparkles721 on Feb 15, 2007 9:18 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Ryno...
Ryno was just pure class on and off the field. He made people want to be Cub fans. Long after Ernie Banks was gone, Ryno carried the Cub mantle with such respect and pride that even during the losing seasons I remained a proud Cub fan. I don't think I would have been a Cub fan if not for the privelage of seeing Sandberg play day in and day out.

His HOF speech was everything I expected, hoped, and knew he'd do. Too often professional athletes forget how much spotlight is placed on them; the lose their sense of humility and grace, but in Ryno's case that simply wasn't to be. I only wish he'd gotten a chance at a World Series, a chance to shine on the national stage.

I still can't believe Sosa is being ranked higher than Sandberg.

by cubby23 on Feb 15, 2007 11:58 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Sandberg
He was on WSCR this afternoon with Mike Murphy. It was a very impressive interview. He really has become so much better at dealing with the media. I do believe ht may become a really good manager.

Anyhow, part of his radio appearance was to push a new foundation he has started: http://rynokidscare.org/

DmL

by dmlichte on Feb 16, 2007 12:34 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

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