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Let's chat, shall we? Please, sit. Please. No, really. I insist.

We've had some problems on this site as of late, and frankly, it's starting to annoy me and a lot of other people who are valued posters on this site. I am speaking, of course, about the so-called "hijacking" of diaries. And before you start calling me "pot," I will freely admit that, in the past, I have been as guilty of this as anyone. That said, this practice has got to stop.

I know that many of us have come from other blogs, and hence are familiar with the "open thread" diaries. For those of you who don't know, the open thread is generally a diary where you can post, at all hours of the day and night, about whatever pops into your head. Do you fear North Korea? Have an opinion about which flavor of Pop Tarts is tastier? Want to report suspected subliminal messaging during "Fairly Oddparents?" Then the open thread is the place for you.

In this vein, we created the "Non-Baseball Diary," which has since morphed into the "OBD" last May, in order to combat this very problem. For those of you that were around then, you will remember some of the better diaries (and sometimes the game diaries) would often devolve into a mess of movie quotes, personal anecdotes, and something that resembled an online singles bar.

As of late, it seems that, every night, some unfortunate diary becomes the victim of unruly hijackers. As one of the more prolific diary posters here, I can tell you that it really sucks when you put some thought into a diary, and wake up to find that there are 200 + comments on a diary, only to discover upon opening it that most of the comments have nothing to do with what you've written about (see my meltdown on the Smack Talk diary for more on how this makes a diary poster's head explode).

All that said, enough. Okay? The OBD is there for a reason; to direct all the OT traffic into one area so it doesn't pollute other threads. Frankly, Al and I are starting to get emails from a lot of diary posters who are upset about what is happening to their diaries. Diaries take time to write, and it's not fair to their authors to take them over talking about, well. . . basically nothing. To be honest, it's making this site more reminiscent of cubs.com and it's driving valued posters away. So feel free to hijack the OBD till the cows come home, but leave the other diaries alone.

In the same vein, before you post a diary, please think about whether or not it actually merits a diary. We're getting a lot of diaries lately, consisting of a couple of lines, asking people what they think our lineup will be or whether we think Wood and Prior will be healthy. That's not diary material; that's worthy of a comment on a related thread.

Also, please at least try to convey something about the subject matter of the diary in your diary title. Sometimes we get 5 diaries on the same topic because the first diary posted has a funny title, but not one that tells people what it's about.

I'm not posting this to pick on anyone, but rather to let you guys know that, as much fun as we have here, it's starting to cause problems. Please try to be considerate of other posters.

The season is starting. There's going to be a lot more to talk about. Let's all have fun and keep other people's feelings in mind.

Thanks.

[editor's note, by Al] Julie & I had a discussion about this topic this morning and she offered to make this post, to which I add my complete agreement. Let's all have fun, enjoy posting about the Cubs and baseball and when appropriate, other topics. Thanks from me too.

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Its OK if you pick on me
I don't mind.

As long as you seriously don't mind that we hijack the OBD, well, you've got a deal.

I too enjoy it more when there are really good diaries about a baseball subject that garner 100+ intelligent comments.  We're still capable of this: see the last two Zambrano diaries.

But - as usual - you are right.  Your guidelines here should help us all, especially those who are more guilty of thread hijacking (not naming names, gravedigger).

"Looking for good signs is a good sign of delusion." - Me

by gravedigger on Feb 17, 2007 9:32 AM CST   0 recs

I'm good with this also
I can stick with the OBD.

That said, I'm sorry if my antics have offended people.  I'll take full responsibility for my actions.

MCDONOUGH!

by secdelahc on Feb 17, 2007 11:31 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Thank you both.
I value your presence here, both of you, and look forward to your contributions... as we come ever-closer to real baseball!
"[BCB] is much better than... well, everything." -- gravedigger, January 21, 2007

by Al on Feb 17, 2007 11:47 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

May I also suggest...
that you "discourage" people from branding what is diary-worthy, and diary-rhea? I think with people not being able to hijack threads, that others (seriously, not the same people) will go off and start talking smack about diaries that are either irrelavent or redundent. Since Julie is now here, it greatly reduces the time that one of those types of diaries will be left up, cluttering space (assuming that Julie has figured out the whole diary-deletion thing).

Anyway, it's just a suggestion. Let people know that you are the A-THOR-I-TIE and they must respect it, and you will handle all that jibba-jabba. Or maybe not.

by tyger1147 on Feb 17, 2007 10:01 AM CST   0 recs

Hey Julie...
...speaking of when you started the OBD....why no more Seinfeld trivia, etc?  I miss that.
Here's to a new year!!

by santo for prez on Feb 17, 2007 10:12 AM CST   0 recs

A few comments
First of all, thanks. I realize that many people come here for the non-basbeall discussion, as evidenced by the fact that usually the non-baseball threads get more discussion.

A suggestion:
- Create a daily thread for non-specific baseball discussion. I suggested this months ago. If there was, on the main page area, a place for people to bring up baseball stuff that often isn't diary worth but worth noting, I think that would solve the diary overflow. This often is what becomes of the daily baseball threads during the season, however this doesn't exist during the offseason.

DmL

by dmlichte on Feb 17, 2007 10:26 AM CST   0 recs

That's what...
... the daily open threads are for during the season. I realize we've been doing other stuff this winter, and there have been bursts of news, then long periods of time when there's nothing to talk about.

I could do this, I suppose -- but there will be games in less than two weeks, and then there will be an open thread every day till the end of the World Series. Maybe that'll help.

"[BCB] is much better than... well, everything." -- gravedigger, January 21, 2007

by Al on Feb 17, 2007 10:29 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Thanks, Julie (and Al),
there'll be no more CompleltyUselessBaseballDiaries.  I swear.  

UZI

"Democratic societies are unfit for the publication of such thunderous revelations as I am in the habit of making." - Salvador Dali

by Ozgreeder on Feb 17, 2007 10:31 AM CST   0 recs

See...
... that isn't the problem. Your CUBD -- which was on a baseball-related topic -- was interesting and provoked some useful discussion and stories.

It's the 500 comments about nothing in diaries that COULD be useful that's the problem.

I trust you can see the difference.

"[BCB] is much better than... well, everything." -- gravedigger, January 21, 2007

by Al on Feb 17, 2007 11:47 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

I think the important thing to remember is
12 More Days until games start!!!!!

All things said, and all arguments over the past few months considered, I think BCB survived the long off season pretty well.

Go Nebraska Football!

by sanantonecub on Feb 17, 2007 11:38 AM CST   0 recs

I apologize too
I'm not the worst but I participated as well. It's funny because it was starting to get on my nerves too. No more shenanigans.

Unless it's really funny. ;)

WARD!

by cubbieboy on Feb 17, 2007 11:58 AM CST   0 recs

I'm sorry.
I apologize to all the diary posters and to Al and Julie.

By the way, I second dml's idea of a diary for news.  This was suggested a long time ago, but it didn't really work.  I would say I would do it every day, but I'm in school.

"I don't talk. I just let what I do talk for myself." -Johan Santana

by sparkles721 on Feb 17, 2007 12:05 PM CST   0 recs

As...
... we get geared up for the start of spring training, there should be more news every day, and thus more "baseball news" type posts by me (or Julie) on the main page, too.
"[BCB] is much better than... well, everything." -- gravedigger, January 21, 2007

by Al on Feb 17, 2007 12:10 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Well, that's the problem right there
With a crappy season behind us that engendered a particular class of cynical Cubs fans, it's no wonder that the posts here devolved into mindless blather.  Which is why I stopped posting; sorry, but my time is too valuable to comment & debate the great pop-culture issues of our time that have nothing to do with the Cubs.  

As you say, with the advent of spring training and the season opener soon thereafter, the posts may naturally return to the one common interest that draws us to this blog in the first place.

by JFCubFan on Feb 17, 2007 12:53 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Baseball sites
I don't think there's a baseball site in existence that doesn't disintegrate at least somewhat during the offseason especially when nothing is going on move wise.
2007 THE YEAR OF THE BEAR. Bears didn't quite do it. Cubs to finish job.

by kerrysotherwife on Feb 17, 2007 12:57 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Exactly...
...I still visited the site myself during the offseason but the mood wasn't something I was interested in.  Now that the new season and new hope is before us, I am beginning to get excited.  
Here's to a new year!!

by santo for prez on Feb 17, 2007 12:59 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

My inconsistency
First I didn't really find you guys until last fall so I was feeling my way around.

But I also was so Bears minded this year that honestly except for when things were hopping I didn't think about the Cubs that much.

2007 THE YEAR OF THE BEAR. Bears didn't quite do it. Cubs to finish job.

by kerrysotherwife on Feb 17, 2007 1:14 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Excellent post!
Two of the reasons i started posting my thoughts at other sites last season was "diary hijacking" and the degree to which my diaries (which often took hours to write) would get wiped off the front page by multiple 2-line diaries on the same news topic. Having an off-topic diary and a recommended-diary section help solve both these problems.
The Cubs better shine 'fore twenty-oh-nine!

by shawndgoldman on Feb 17, 2007 12:11 PM CST   0 recs

Sorry, Shawn.
You shouldn't stop posting your great diaries.  You are a great diary writer, and you should come back and post here.

Your diaries are always so thorough.  I liked reading them ever since you wrote the 'Why the Cubs will win 90 games' diary and got my hopes up in 2005(?).

"I don't talk. I just let what I do talk for myself." -Johan Santana

by sparkles721 on Feb 17, 2007 12:14 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

I, too, like your diaries.
Both here and at Windy City Gridiron.

by tyger1147 on Feb 17, 2007 12:17 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Why did you do that?
I too enjoy his diaries.

But I'm asking why did you post Windy City Gridiron?  I went over out of curiosity.

I need another site to visit like I need a hole in the head...

2007 THE YEAR OF THE BEAR. Bears didn't quite do it. Cubs to finish job.

by kerrysotherwife on Feb 17, 2007 1:15 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Sorry!!!
When I found this site (about the same time you did I think), I almost immediately went to see if other sites supported be SB Nation were worthy. They aren't as big in terms of people, but they certainly aren't bad. I too am a huge fan of whichever Chicago team is in season, and I wanted a place to vent about Rex Grossman or Chris Duhon, and this certainly isn't the place. Anyway, hope you enjoy.

by tyger1147 on Feb 17, 2007 1:28 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

to those who
were looking to read the Lou diary.

You didn't miss much, in fact, when we took it, there was nothing left. It was completely stagnant.

TRAMMELL!

by Faith plus 1 on Feb 17, 2007 12:14 PM CST   0 recs

to be fair
the diary we hijacked (Lou's First Day) was nothing more than a glorified post in itself.

As for the fantasy one, yes, that's different.

TRAMMELL!

by Faith plus 1 on Feb 17, 2007 12:18 PM CST   0 recs

How about more official diaries?
How about more official diaries like the official Kerry Wood Hot Tub Diary?

Any major news story.  Official "Soandso is Hurt" Diary.  

And can you sticky diaries about continuing discussions like on the lineup?  When I posted mine there hadn't been one in a while and there had been a few things happened since then like the Floyd signing.

And how about this for a general idea.  If you don't think it's important or don't like the topic stay out of the discussion!  If you don't have anything to say on the subject don't say anything!

And any thoughts to someone volunteering to be a sort of diary judge.  Not judge exactly but when in doubt PM someone with your idea and they'll give you feedback?

2007 THE YEAR OF THE BEAR. Bears didn't quite do it. Cubs to finish job.

by kerrysotherwife on Feb 17, 2007 12:35 PM CST   0 recs

"Official" diaries?
You mean about news of the day? Are you saying you want ten different diaries about the same topic? That's exactly what we do NOT want here.

When there's news I will try to post it on the main page. That's why I asked Julie to post about the Ryu deal on the main page, since I wasn't around my computer then. I would have posted about the Wood thing, but there was a well-traveled diary posted before I could get anything on the site.

A lot of these problems will vanish once the season starts.

About "sticky" diaries, this isn't quite like a message board where you can do that and the "sticky" posts stay there for months or years and get 5,000 comments. However, I'll see what I can do about getting the recommended diary period lengthened a bit.

"[BCB] is much better than... well, everything." -- gravedigger, January 21, 2007

by Al on Feb 17, 2007 1:17 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Al
I did phrase that wrong.

I meant I don't want 10 diaries.  What I meant to say is you or Julie post the official diary of the subject.  Everyone knows that's where to go to discuss the situation.

2007 THE YEAR OF THE BEAR. Bears didn't quite do it. Cubs to finish job.

by kerrysotherwife on Feb 17, 2007 1:18 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

I've even said that...
... at times, if there's something big enough (I did this for the Baker and Piniella annoucements and the Soriano signing), asking people to NOT post 10 diaries on such a huge topic.

It's a way to try to keep the discussion going in ONE place rather than all over the place.

"[BCB] is much better than... well, everything." -- gravedigger, January 21, 2007

by Al on Feb 17, 2007 1:58 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

This Is a Cubs Blog
Had this post come from Al it would be appropriate, but coming from cubbiejulie this is, frankly, humorous. The quality of this blog has diminished significantly due to all the non-Cub and non-baseball related diaries - many of which are posted by cubbiejulie.

Lets talk about what's diary worthy. How many diaries does one person need to post per day? I'm tired of logging on every day and seeing four or five diaries posted by the same person, the titles of which are rarely baseball related.  There are plenty of blogs out there - please leave this one for Cub fans. The off-season or not, the amount of useless banter being posted on this site is very dissappointing considering how much I used to enjoy AL'S BLOG.  I can't begin to understand the amount of time and energy it takes to maintain this blog, so I can undestand the need for additional editors, but I would prefer a single diary per week from Al to the many useless diaries currently being posted.

Just one's opinion, but judging from the lack of postings by some respected bloggers, I think it's an opinion shared by others.

by BringBackRyno on Feb 17, 2007 12:46 PM CST   0 recs

first
julie does post alot of OT stuff but she also does alot of work for the site and is valued by alot of people who do spend more than passing time here,

second this is the biggest cubs blog and therefore your going to get alot of diaries and people and it isnt just a 4 man club of Shawngoldman, Maddog, Al and whoever else you like to hear from.

I want Shawn to post more, I want maddog to post more (but he has his own blog to tend to) but remember its the winter, not even the period where we sign FA.

BCB is what it is, its big, there are casual fans and more serious ones here alike, if you cant hanlde it then fine, but things like diary judges or deciding who is worthy of posting or who isnt is silly. This is a blog for everbody and you can pick and choose what you read, nobody puts a gun to your head and makes your read the OT diary of the day.

"Just say Smith or Jones again, it dont matter, none of this matters"

by ksucubbie on Feb 17, 2007 1:00 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

In fact...
... you are incorrect about Julie; yes, she posts one OBD per day, which is done in large part to siphon off some of the offseason energy on non-baseball topics.

Check some of her other diary posts and I think you'll find she has posted quite a few on Cubs and baseball topics.

About the diary titles, go look at those as well. The vast majority are baseball and Cub related.

"[BCB] is much better than... well, everything." -- gravedigger, January 21, 2007

by Al on Feb 17, 2007 1:14 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Actually..
..if I recall, we asked Julie (or someone) to post an OBD everyday to take some of off-base chatter away from all of the other diaries.  I think the OBD is great.  Somedays I read it and I am not interested so I don't post anything.  Other days it is a topic of interest and I post.  I guess what I am trying to say is that probably at least 90% of us want her to post the OBD everyday.  I just wish she would bring the quizes back, those were fun.
Here's to a new year!!

by santo for prez on Feb 17, 2007 1:32 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

I wonder...
what it's like.

Monday afternoon: "Oh, there's this diary titled 'Monday OBD Diary'. I wonder what that's all about... Oh drat! It's about popular culture and other stuff I'm not interested in."

Tuesday morning: "Oh, there's this diary titled 'Tuesday OBD Diary'. I wonder what that's all about... Oh drat! It's about popular culture and other stuff I'm not interested in."

Wednesday afternoon: "Oh, there's this diary titled 'Wednesday OBD Diary'. I wonder what that's all about... Oh drat! It's about popular culture and other stuff I'm not interested in."

Thursday afternoon: "Oh, there's this diary titled 'Thursday OBD Diary'. I wonder what that's all about... Oh drat! It's about popular culture and other stuff I'm not interested in.

"MY GOD!!! Why does this keep happening to me! I dont get this. This 'blog sucks. All they have is stuff I'm not interested in. I have SUCH A HARD TIME discerning which diaries are about the Cubs and which aren't. Drat!"

by tyger1147 on Feb 17, 2007 1:34 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

LOL
I see your point. But the point of the OBD is to encompass EVERYTHING that's not Cub or baseball related, and as you surely know, it has gone off in many tangents -- a lot of which have been quite interesting, IMO.
"[BCB] is much better than... well, everything." -- gravedigger, January 21, 2007

by Al on Feb 17, 2007 1:57 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

That was the point...
I replied to you in order to not offend anyone too openly. I was making fun of any people who keep reading off-base diaries even though they only come here to read baseball stuff. Hence, the "I wonder what it's like..." (Sorry, I'm not really good at humor--it typically doesn't work the way I want.)

by tyger1147 on Feb 17, 2007 2:02 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Not trying to be argumentative
But seriously, pick and choose.  If you don't like what a diary says, don't read it.  No one is forcing you.  This is the format Al chose, and we go by what he wants.  

Yes, I fully admit that I am not the most knowledgeable fan out there, but that does not mean that I'm not entitled to my opinion, or that I should not be allowed to post a diary about something Cubs-related if I so choose.  

MCDONOUGH!

by secdelahc on Feb 17, 2007 1:15 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

You're absolutely right
Yes, I can decide which diaries to read.  My point is there are fewer relevant dairies to read lately.  I'm in agreement with Al and Cubbiejulie on this.  I just think it's interesting who posted this diary.

And I never suggested certain people shouldn't be allowed to post about the Cubs. To the contrary, that's exactly the point of this site. My feeling is there are too many diaries being posted on a Cubs blog that have nothing to do with the team nor baseball in general. The level of baseball knowledge behind a post is to me less important than its relevancy to the sport and the Cubs in particular.  

Someone said this is the best Cubs blog out there, something I agree with completely. I'm just saying the quality has been diminishing lately and why not take the current event discussions elsewhere.  

by BringBackRyno on Feb 17, 2007 2:19 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Sorry if I misunderstood
And while there are quite a few non-cubs related posts out there, it's the off-season.  It's hard to come up with something baseball related when there is no baseball/cubs related news out there.
taking a personal leave of absence

by secdelahc on Feb 17, 2007 2:26 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Julie...
... offered to post on this topic after she & I had a discussion about it and I accepted her offer.

Look, it's the offseason. Had we not had the top 100 series to keep discussion about baseball every day for the last three and a half months, who knows how much of this there would have been?

I think this will be self-correcting as we get closer to the season and actual games.

FWIW, I have another, shorter, "series" of posts -- definitely Cub-centric -- that I intend to start on Monday.

"[BCB] is much better than... well, everything." -- gravedigger, January 21, 2007

by Al on Feb 17, 2007 2:26 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

I'm the one who's been saying it will self correct
And if you agree, then what is the point of making some big post about it?  Why not contact people individually if you think they might carry it over into the season?  Why leave the thread open for comments so everyone can participate in the public scolding?

See you all when the season starts.

"Looking for good signs is a good sign of delusion." - Me

by gravedigger on Feb 17, 2007 3:14 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Man,
First Faith is on hiatus, now gravediggity? Maybe it will be like Lost, where they come back better than ever!

With those two gone for a month, the BCB income will definitely go down. What a backfire.

I very excite about this upcoming season! Jenqui!

by nextyearcub on Feb 17, 2007 3:19 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Suit yourself.
n/t
"[BCB] is much better than... well, everything." -- gravedigger, January 21, 2007

by Al on Feb 17, 2007 3:49 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Ryno...
...Julie posts one OBD per day. It's not a big deal. She is clearly not the problem.

There is nothing wrong with the OBD. It is the easiest diary to ignore. What is the problem?
What else has she done that has been soooooo off-topic and denigrating to the quality here?

Many posters here love her OBD diary, and would be disappointed if she didn't post one everyday.

 

PINIELLA!

by theprognosticator on Feb 17, 2007 3:26 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Respected bloggers
Is an oxymoron if I ever heard one
I very excite about this upcoming season! Jenqui!

by nextyearcub on Feb 17, 2007 1:50 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

that having been said
for the apparant atrocities I've committed. I'm out.
on hiatus

by Faith plus 1 on Feb 17, 2007 1:10 PM CST   0 recs

No one's asked you to get out...
... only to try to stay on-topic, where topics are as posted.
"[BCB] is much better than... well, everything." -- gravedigger, January 21, 2007

by Al on Feb 17, 2007 1:12 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Faith..
Come on. No one is singling you out. I have been a part of various hi-jackings too. See Chuck Norris.

Everything will be fine when the season starts.

WARD!

by cubbieboy on Feb 17, 2007 1:24 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Faith
By leaving, you're just allowing The Kingdom to rule you.

Just sayin'.

I very excite about this upcoming season! Jenqui!

by nextyearcub on Feb 17, 2007 1:53 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Having been a hijacker and having had diaries...
...hijacked, I can say this with 100% conviction:

I don't care.

I think everybody needs to chill. Including me, when I'm not chill. Just say "chill progs" and I should and will most times, listen and lower my temperature.

I understand I get a lion's share of the blame for much of the silliness here as I am many times the instigator of it. And I have no plans on changing that. To those of you who don't like that, this is me, sticking my tongue out at you.

I've spent large amounts of time putting diaries with some thought into them before (hard to believe, but it's true, I realize that doesn't make them necessarily thoughtful) that have been overrun with comments about absolutely nothing, and I can honestly say it doesn't bother me.

I figure if a diary of mine racks up a number of posts that are OT of the diary itself, then I figure that my diary wasn't as great of an idea as I thought, or perhaps nobody was very interested in the particular topic that day. And you know what?

Big effing deal.

It doesn't hurt my feelings. Not everything I say or post about has to be brilliant or even mildly relevant. In fact, one of the reasons I love coming here is that I have a choice: I can be silly with bloggy friends or I can be serious and talk baseball with bloggy friends.

And, for that matter, in the "serious" and "insightful" diaries of mine there are usually enough posts on topic that I can SCROLL THROUGH and find pockets of where people are responding to what I originally posted and I can IGNORE the parts where people are talking about bubble wrap if I so choose (which I rarely do, the OT stuff is many times far more fun than what I originally diaried about). It's really not that hard.

I don't know, perhaps some people feel better about themselves when they first see their diary in the morning and it has 200 comments. Maybe that makes them feel like a smart baseball fan and that their lives finally have meaning (to me, 200 comments tells me right away that my diary was hijacked and I'm frantic to see what delightful nonsense burst forth that I missed). And then they enter the diary and see that the comments inside aren't a paean to their baseball acumen and their ability to come up with insightful diary topics, but instead is about boobies. And so they freak out and get mad and slink away and pout. Why? I have no idea. Why do people beat each other to shit over a parking space? No clue.

That being said, I do understand a need to control this to where we don't have diary overkill (way too many new people seem to be making diaries of everything and anything that pops into their head), and we don't have every single diary spinning off into chaos. It has gotten worse of late. It has been looking a tad bit Cubs.com around here, though thankfully without the White Sox or Cardinal trolls.

So I will abide as best I can to the rule of keeping OT stuff in the OBD diary (amusing note: I rarely ever post in the OBD diary). Or on some open thread. But everybody needs to realize that in almost every instance, hijacking has been something that has developed based on something on topic in the diary. It has been mostly spontaneous, which is part of the fun. I believe there have been very few instances of premeditated hijacking. Hijacking has also been known to occur right around where there has been two posters who have gotten upset with one another, and I think that makes the hijacking useful as it tends to bring those that were angry at each other, back to their senses.

Anyway.

This is a blog about a hapless, horrible baseball team that we all for some nutty reason, love like crazy. The silliness that sometimes runs rampant here is NECESSARY. And will be even more so when the season starts, believe me.  

But, as said before, I will abide by what Her Worship and Al have said and will try and keep the goofiness in the designated goofy zones. I would also like to say for those that like silliness and hijacking and bubble wrap, you have free hand to hijack any diary of mine, be it serious or no, at anytime. My diaries will be a haven to you, when and where they occur. In fact, if they aren't hijacked, I will be very upset with some of you.

For all of you fuddyduddies who have been whining to Al and not posting because of the silliness here, I can honestly say that we don't miss you and your "I don't think the Cubs are very good and here's why AND DON'T NOBODY MAKE ANY JOKES NEITHER" diaries or your random reveries back to when God was a small child AND DON'T NOBODY MADE ANY JOKES NEITHER.

Get over yourselves and lighten up and join us in the silliness. You'll have a better time for it, I promise.

PINIELLA!

by theprognosticator on Feb 17, 2007 3:16 PM CST   0 recs

Those last two sentences
Should replace the Hornsby quote in the upper right corner, IMO. Well put, progs.

I love baseball and the Cubs to death, but having a life is also kinda cool.

I very excite about this upcoming season! Jenqui!

by nextyearcub on Feb 17, 2007 3:21 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

What he said
I've never hijacked a thread but I don't really mind when others do it.  It's not keeping me from having a "serious" baseball conversation and sometimes I actually like to read the craziness that is some of you wandering off-topic and the stream of consciousness that follows.

Now, I do understand that sometimes it can go to far and I understand why some people would be bothered by it, but I think this is much ado about (almost) nothing.  Like others have said, this problem (if it really is a problem), will correct itself once the season starts.

by VS on Feb 17, 2007 3:54 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

BCB is OK with me
I like the site as it is and how it has evolved. Julies OBD is a fun read while I check out all the other news. If I don't read everything, that's OK. That is our choice right? Pick what we want to read?
Don't sweat this at all, I think this site is growing up right before our eyes and I think we all need some games to get us back on track. For me, one month from today I'll be at a Cubs game dressed in St. Patricks green. That's sounds great to me, I'm counting the days!!!
Spendry!!!

by mrcubsfan on Feb 17, 2007 3:26 PM CST   0 recs

My only problem
Sometimes it detracts from good conversation.  I usually just come on here to get the latest on Cubs news and rarely ever post.  The only problem I see with all these aimless threads is the fact that it becomes tough to find the good arguments.  It is becoming harder and harder to find information from people that have insight on the topic, or who have more knowledge about the situation than the papers/websites do.  I understand people may have a bad day at work and they come home and just unload by getting into random conversations about something that may be funny, but I guess there is a time and place for everything.  Serious issues should remain serious issues, and if you want to post something witty or funny, just think twice whether this is seriously worth other people's time to read it.  This is Al's blog and it is up to none of us what content should and shouldn't be on it.  I just think people have crossed the line a bit and turned this thing into their social hour for their lives rather than a place where we can all talk about our favorite team.  Again, nothing I say should have any bearing as its just my opinion but it just seems as of late that this thing has become more of a place to putz around than it is to have adult discussions about the Cubs and Baseball.

by miltowncubbie on Feb 17, 2007 4:12 PM CST   0 recs

Adult discussions
May take half the posters on here out of the picture
I very excite about this upcoming season! Jenqui!

by nextyearcub on Feb 17, 2007 4:29 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Once again...
... this will likely change soon, as the season is upon us.

And again, I don't want to be the "funsucker" -- there is absolutely a place for this here, because we have created a community of people who like each other and come here every day to be together.

The Cubs brought us together, and then people discovered they had other common interests. Those are covered well in the OBD's, I think. All we're saying is, keep the baseball discussion about baseball.

"[BCB] is much better than... well, everything." -- gravedigger, January 21, 2007

by Al on Feb 17, 2007 4:31 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

fwiw
i stopped posting here as frequently as i had because there seemed to be little baseball discussion anymore, or if it was there, it was buried in a bunch of tangential comments. It's fine if all that is there, it just makes me less likely to read/post. Sometimes i log on to the site and see 20 new diaries and 200 posts each, and i just leave. 80% of the comments seem to come from the same 5 people, and as interesting as those 5 are, it detracts from how interesting the blog is to read, imo.

its not my blog, so i have no say in how its run, but figured i'd say my piece.

DEJESUS!!!

by tomas21 on Feb 17, 2007 4:27 PM CST   0 recs

this from the guy that...
...does a search everytime he's here to see if someone has mentioned his name...

:)

PINIELLA!

by theprognosticator on Feb 17, 2007 4:37 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

One last point:
Some of you complain that there aren't enough Cubs discussions when you get here yada yada yada...

Here's an idea:

Start one.

Don't be so lazy and look for others to bring up what you want to talk about, CONTRIBUTE A FREAKING DIARY.

PUT SOME DAMN FOOD ON THE TABLE.

PINIELLA!

by theprognosticator on Feb 17, 2007 4:46 PM CST   0 recs

laziness
Maybe some people don't have the luxury of hours of free time like yourself.

by miltowncubbie on Feb 17, 2007 5:00 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

they shouldn't complain then...
...when they come here and don't find precisely what it is they are looking for.
PINIELLA!

by theprognosticator on Feb 17, 2007 5:34 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Just to clarify
Would discussing what Maddux might be eating for
breakfast be considered off topic ? I hope that discussing Orange Guy's current haircut would be considered Cub related.

Seriously just kidding. My only problem with the "hijacked"
diaries is that I basically have limited reading time for BCB
during the day and it is hard to get through 500 posts on a topic
that shall we say went off target. That said I am in awe of you
quick witted , funny off topic posters.

And for my "off topic" bit of the day. This helped ruin my
day http://tinyurl.com/39gwgs

I love the ballpark. I love the city. I love the fans. Aside from how we've played this year, there's nothing not to like about Chicago." Greg Maddux 7/29/06

by jessica on Feb 17, 2007 6:24 PM CST   0 recs

I'm going to make a...
diary to control diary control diaries.
Baby, you got a stew goin'

by Thelonious on Feb 17, 2007 7:01 PM CST   0 recs

Shouldn't be
"diary-control" diary? I don't know. Just wondering.

by tyger1147 on Feb 17, 2007 7:54 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Seriously people...
...take some time to go back in time to diaries before you were members.  This is not that out of line.  This can be an enjoyable site for everyone.  I know that it was very enjoyable before and it will be again.
Here's to a new year!!

by santo for prez on Feb 18, 2007 3:44 AM CST   0 recs

well
I can see that I'm persona non-grata here these days.

I wish you guys would actually have read what I wrote, which wasn't that we have to stop hijacking threads, but just to do it in an approrpriate place, like the OBD or another OT diary.

Progs, are you seriously suggesting that I've never participated in the fun on here?

Gravedigger & Faith, I love what you add to this site, I don't want you to stop having fun. And, despite what all of you seem to think, this diary wasn't directed at anyone in particular. If I was going to email everyone that has ever participated in a diary hijacking, I would have had to email about 75 people, myself included.

Ozgreeder: I wouldn't want you to stop the completelyuselessbaseballdiaries. They're fun. All I was saying was that the 57th two line diary saying "What do you guys think our lineup is going to be?" is stupid. And no, I don't support the diary police. All I was asking was that people put some thought into whether their diary is actually a diary or more of a comment.

At any rate, from looking at the subject matter in the diaries this morning, I'm not feeling all that welcome here right now. I'm going to take an extended break.

HENDRY!

by cubbiejulie on Feb 18, 2007 9:47 AM CST   0 recs

Of course you're welcome...
... more than welcome, as you well know.

Check your email.

"[BCB] is much better than... well, everything." -- gravedigger, January 21, 2007

by Al on Feb 18, 2007 10:03 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

I was...
serious in my apology.  I know the diary wasn't directed at any one particular person.  In fact, it was a very well-stated and needed diary.  Don't let a couple of f*ckwits deter you from doing what you do best, Julie - which is write about baseball and the occasional blended item ;)

UZI

"Democratic societies are unfit for the publication of such thunderous revelations as I am in the habit of making." - Salvador Dali

by Ozgreeder on Feb 18, 2007 12:09 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

no Jules...
...and I've responded in other diaries about this so this is probably going to be redundant.

Your post was valid and I agree with most of it. The nonsense needs to be toned down some and I said that in my earlier response. That being said, there were a number of responses by people I haven't heard of, or haven't heard from in ages, who seem to want to do away with all of the fun we've been having, including your OBD, and go to the other extreme, in the words of this guy:

NO MORE FUN OF ANY KIND!

I just don't see how they have any right to do that, especially when they haven't been a big part of what has been going on of late. I mean, where were these guys when we we signed Soriano, DeRosa, Lilly, OGD Jason Marquis? Where were these guys when we were having heated discussions about Zambrano?

This hijacking stuff has gotten way overblown as there are still tons of instances where baseball has been talked about and talked about at length.

And so I feel it necessary to defend the thread hijacking as it was getting demonized to the point of ridiculousness.

If you felt as though my jabs were pointed at you Julie, they really weren't, and I should have made that more clear from the outset, as after posting it, I wondered myself if you wouldn't take offense.

And also, I understand there are those that don't share the sense of humor of some around here and that is fine. What is funny to some is boring to others and that's cool. I can't speak for others but I can speak for myself and I can say this: I will try and tone it down and keep it under better control for your sake. However, keep in mind that much of what I post falls in line with my personality, and even when I'm posting about baseball, there are many times when I'm being goofy in my answer, and using odd humor, and that's just the way it is.

PINIELLA!

by theprognosticator on Feb 18, 2007 6:50 PM CST to parent up   0 recs