Tuesday Hall of Fame Veteran's Announcement
A place to talk about Ronnie's chances...
I figured I'd post this diary because I'm sure a lot of us are interested in discussing Ron Santo's chances of making it into the Hall of Fame thru the Veteran's Committee tomorrow, or else bemoaning their short-sightedness. So a couple questions:
- Will Ronnie make it?
- Here's a question for someone to look at with the research skills and time, but what changes are there to the Veterans' Committee makeup since the last election in 2005, and will these changes help or hurt Ronnie's chances?
- Will anyone make it from the Veterans' Ballot?
- If no one makes it, should the Veterans' Committee be abolished as an elitist waste of time (giving false hope to guys like Santo when the snobs on the Committee want to keep their club to themselves)?
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As for me...
I think Ron makes it. I think Mike Schmidt's open letter/editorial this year makes it more likely they'll let in Ron, plus the desire to reward "clean" players over steroids cheats, plus the fact that having Ron, Cal Ripken, and Tony Gwynn inducted together would be a great message and a way to divert attention to the one guy (McGwire) conspicuously not being enshrined. Oh, yeah...and Ryne Sandberg is on the Committee now, and should be pretty vocal about giving Santo his due during the meetings.
Finally, I think the Veterans' Committee realizes they may just lose their vote if they don't use it, particularly with a guy as qualified and popular as Santo on the ballot.
by Chadnudj on Feb 26, 2007 2:07 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I think...
I say he makes it.
by Al on Feb 26, 2007 2:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And really....
He was, I think, about 8 votes shy last time. This Old Cub will probably help a bit, along with the new blood on the Committee. I just can't see Ron not making it, although I thought the same thing in 2005, as I recall.
by Chadnudj on Feb 26, 2007 2:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ripken and Gwynn
by Kyle Turney on Feb 26, 2007 2:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Looking at the numbers
I think you're both right though. I think he'll get in. What an omen that might be if does make it in.
by Kyle Turney on Feb 26, 2007 2:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Departing Members
by frustratedfan on Feb 26, 2007 4:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Right
The old committee was doing its job inducting people, but it was unfortunately inducting the wrong people, and everyone knew it. The number one criteria for getting in seemed to be being an old teammate of a member of the committee. I think the final straw was Ted Williams' efforts to get Dom DiMaggio in the Hall. Now Dom was a good player and he wouldn't have been the worst player in Cooperstown . . . but c'mon. It's Dom DiMaggio and he's hardly in immortal territory. And it was so obviously a naked attempt at Williams rewarding an old buddy rather than objectively asking "Who's the best player not in the Hall of Fame?"
Had Williams not died, I imagine Dom DiMaggio would have made it into Cooperstown. And that would be used for decades as an argument for putting in Vada Pinson, Ken Griffey Sr., Roy Sievers and heck, Ray Lankford.
The new veterans vote seems to have swung the other way, with several players arguing that no one was worthy to sit with them. On top of that, you've got dozens of players voting for their own teammates and coaches but this committee isn't stacked with, say, friends of Ted Williams or Frankie Frisch, like the other one was, so no one knows 75% of the electorate. It does seem that some of the ringleaders of the "no one should get in" group, i.e. Mike Schmidt and Reggie Jackson, have softened their position and that should help Santo and maybe Hodges. (Although I don't think Gil Hodges belongs in. Torre would be a better choice as a player and as a manager.)
My guess is that it is going to be very, very close on Santo--somewhere between 73% and 77% of the vote. The upper end gets him in. The lower end doesn't.
by Josh77 on Feb 26, 2007 3:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm afraid to get my hopes up
I even have my entire non sports internet group on pins and needles including several who say that they will have their local sports talk radio stations on at the time.
by kerrysotherwife on Feb 26, 2007 11:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
sweet..
by Kchance on Feb 26, 2007 2:34 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I am keeping...
by santo for prez on Feb 26, 2007 2:40 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Apparently...
by FullyKraeusened on Feb 26, 2007 2:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
True...
Personally, I think it's worse to have Joe Morgan on Sunday Night Baseball constantly praising your glories, a la Tony Perez and Dave Concepcion....that's just embarassing and shameless.
by Chadnudj on Feb 26, 2007 2:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see it
DmL
by dmlichte on Feb 26, 2007 3:20 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Each time
by Kyle Turney on Feb 26, 2007 3:28 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Who...
I like Gammons and Sandberg being on there to help....Boggs might vote for Ronnie as a fellow 3B (although who really knows)....I figure Sutter is a lock too, and Elston would have seen Ronnie play as an Astros broadcaster, so he might go towards Ronnie too.
And as someone said earlier, it seems like Schmidt and Reggie have softened their stances, so it looks like Ronnie might get the call.
It may be snowing now and tomorrow outside, but if Ronnie makes it, it'll feel about 80 degrees and sunny in Chicago....
by Chadnudj on Feb 26, 2007 5:46 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
committee needs to go
Also, can the veterans vote in guys like Blyleven and Gossage who are still on the writers ballot?
by miltowncubbie on Feb 26, 2007 6:53 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
The process
http://www.baseballhalloffame.org/news/2007/election/vc/index.htm
pretty well details the vet committee election process.
by Kyle Turney on Feb 26, 2007 9:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
My Hope
Here to hoping OUR Ronnie gets the call of his dreams today.
by Scott G F on Feb 27, 2007 7:12 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I voted no
by mike on Feb 27, 2007 7:26 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Man I'm nervous....
Come on, Veterans - do the right thing. Admit Ron - heck, admit him with a couple other guys, too, if you need to (Curt Flood? Luis Tiant? Gil Hodges? Roger Maris?), I don't care. But just put one of the 10 best third basemen of ALL TIME where he belongs - in Cooperstown.
by Chadnudj on Feb 27, 2007 7:33 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
The announcement...
by Al on Feb 27, 2007 7:36 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Top 10?
TOp 10 is understating his credentials.
by frustratedfan on Feb 27, 2007 10:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agree
by bleacher on Feb 27, 2007 10:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Except
Mathews
Baker/Santo
Traynor
Lindstom
Kell
That's equal or better to 4/5ths of the rest of the category. Its a no-brainer, which is why it is such a shock that the no-brains haven't done it yet.
by frustratedfan on Feb 27, 2007 5:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hopeful this time
Given the changes in the voting roster and Schmidt's public argument in favor, I think this is finally his year.
by mlf on Feb 27, 2007 10:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm nervous, too
I do think, though, that if he came up a couple short, the VC--in the interest of its own survival--would do a canvassing of those who didn't vote for him.
Personally, I think the idea that other HoFs should be the gatekeepers is a little absurd. Most of these guys never played with or against Santo, and many of them have primitive ideas of how to measure someone in the context of his era.
The Hall is filled with people who don't belong--and has failed to enshire many who do--like Stan Hack, George Gore, and Bill Dahlen.
by bleacher on Feb 27, 2007 10:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hope this isn't an omen.....
Kasey
by kaseyi on Feb 27, 2007 8:52 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
My friends
- Ron Santo belongs in the Hall of Fame.
- Joe Morgan is evil.
by kerrysotherwife on Feb 27, 2007 11:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

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