A Priori, and Open Thread: Cubs vs. White Sox at Tucson, Friday 3/16, 3:05 CT
MESA, Arizona -- It wasn't so very long ago -- about three and a half years -- that Mark Prior stood on the mound at Wrigley Field, about to be the hero as the Cubs were five damned outs away from the Promised Land.
Well, we all know what happened then. No need to belabor it, but this morning in Mesa, Arizona, many miles, many years, and much water under the bridge from that October day, Mark Prior stood on a mound at Fitch Park in front of about fifty fans and reporters and Cubs brass, trying to figure out what went wrong, bringing him to the point at which his career might hinge.
I'm here to tell you it's unhinged. Prior threw four innings, fifty-nine pitches (only a little more than half of them, thirty-two, were strikes). He walked two, hit a batter, was constantly behind hitters, gave up two hits and no runs to a team consisting of players who will wind up spending this year playing for Tennessee and Daytona (some names I recognized: Dopirak, Fontenot, Spears, Simokaitis). The outs were hit fairly hard, and it was just not very impressive. There weren't any scouts with radar guns -- just one of the Cubs' minor leaguers behind the plate with one. I was able to see it while Jason Marquis (who was the opposing pitcher; he went today in this game because the Cubs wanted Angel Guzman to face the White Sox) was on the mound; Marquis was consistently at 90.
But while Prior was throwing, this player (who I couldn't identify; he was wearing warmups) hid the gun so no one but him could see it. It didn't matter. It was easy to see that Marquis' fastball was popping into the catcher's glove; Prior's wasn't. Prior seemed to be dropping down his arm again -- that's a sign of something wrong, even though he and everyone else denies it.
But most importantly, the guy who used to look like he was on top of the baseball world had absolutely no mound presence. Constantly wiping his face (it wasn't that hot at 8:30 in the morning!), scuffling around, he looked as if he'd rather have been just about anywhere else in the world than on that pitcher's mound.
Do I think he's done? No, but he is absolutely not ready to pitch in the major leagues at this time. I doubt he'll see the Ho Ho Kam Park mound again this spring; likely, he'll be placed on the DL (they'll either have to invent an injury, if he's healthy, or own up to one, if he's not) and keep him at extended spring training, and then they'll have to make a decision, to either get him to Iowa to throw, or let him go. And given the money and the time invested in Prior by the Cubs, I think they will go a very long time before they will simply release him -- whether that's the right call or not.
It's a shame. Here's a guy who was called "the greatest college pitcher ever", compared to Tom Seaver, and dominant in the National League in his first full season in 2003. Now he's barely hanging on to his baseball life.
You'll like this. I was talking to Bruce Miles while we were watching Prior throw, and I casually mentioned, without making an accusation, the difference in the size of Prior's calves (remember "Calfzilla"?) when he first came up, compared to now -- they look almost sticklike. Guess who, standing right next to me, rolled her eyes and said, "Oh, come on!"?? That's right, Carrie Muskat. Draw your own conclusions.
After four innings (Marquis threw five, and looked very sharp -- 68 pitches, 45 strikes, and had hitters beating the ball into the ground), Prior had a brief conference with Larry Rothschild, who then looked up at the "guard tower" that's in the middle of the four fields at Fitch Park toward Jim Hendry, who yelled down, "I'll pick you up at Ho Ho at 10!" Yes, that's right -- he actually said "Ho Ho". In addition to Hendry, Oneri Fleita and John McDonough were up in the tower watching Prior.
So that's what I saw this morning. This afternoon, I have the choice of sitting by the pool or sitting inside watching the game... hmmmm.... well, I think I will try to catch at least a bit of Angel Guzman's outing. It does appear that Guzman's the front-runner for the fifth rotation spot, especially if he does well today.
Finally, I learned today that my friend Kevin Ciarrachi, trying to make Double-A as a backup catcher, was released by the Cubs, likely ending his professional baseball career. That's a shame too, because I know how hard Kevin has worked trying to rehab injuries and make a baseball career for himself. I wish him all the best.
For today's game, there's TV on WGN and also MLB.TV via the MLB Mediacenter. And as always, there's MLB.com Gameday.
Discuss amongst yourselves. Finally, here are some photos I took of Prior and Marquis this morning:
(as always, click on thumbnail to view full-size in new browser window. If you are using IE, you may have to click the lower-right corner of the image in the new window to expand it to its full size; in Firefox click anywhere on the image. Photos by Al)
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What can you
Calfzilla!
It's all a shame, really.
So did Carrie have anything else to say?
Nope.
I anxiously await...
Not to read another person's thoughts, but I suspect her reaction to your remark is because of the whole PED issue. In other words, she might have thought you were implying that he's stick-like after giving up the roids.
Not that you were implying that, but the next person who whispered "steroids" around Mark Prior wouldn't be the first.
I didn't identify myself to her.
Watching him pitch earlier
I don't think we are...
I for one am inclined to the cynical opinion. Doesn't mean I would bet on it but unfortunately my gut feeling leans towards big calfs.
by Chitown Mojo on Mar 16, 2007 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions
There's.......
by PriorandAramisfan23 on Mar 16, 2007 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Uh...
Thank you
by Chitown Mojo on Mar 16, 2007 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions
I wanted to respond intelligently to your post
I do not even know if I believe Prior took steroids, but during the moments when I do it certainly has nothing to do with the size of his calves.
by Chitown Mojo on Mar 16, 2007 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions
You're sort of right
by lemon17pie on Mar 16, 2007 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions
I never said
My point was that steroids rumor have floated around the guy for a while and his complete breakdown along with alleged loss of muscles did nothing but strenghten those suspicions.
by Chitown Mojo on Mar 16, 2007 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions
That's alright, no biggie...
by Chitown Mojo on Mar 16, 2007 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Actually as it turns out....
by lemon17pie on Mar 16, 2007 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions
My comment still stands...
by Chitown Mojo on Mar 16, 2007 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions
I want to throw up...
And now this - struggling against minor leaguers on a practice field early in spring training.
It's almost funny in a "there goes the Cubs" way, if it wasn't so damn tragic.
I have a picture......
I don't see what's such a shame about all this, this is what happens when you overuse young pitchers.....they break down. Hendry hired just about the worst manager that he could have to nuture young pitching and now he has to deal with the mess that Baker made. Listening to what Hendry's saying about Samardzija he seems to me like someone who just doesn't learn from the bad mistakes he's made. I'll be happy when Hendry's gone.
by PriorandAramisfan23 on Mar 16, 2007 1:45 PM CDT reply actions
I disagree.
No matter what though, Prior is going to be used as an example for the pitch count crowd as they've already been doing for years.
There's no doubt in my mind......
The only thing I can look at is how other teams are handling their young SP........Phil Hughes, Homer Bailey, Tim Lincecum, Felix Hernandez.......for as good as those guys are and how much better they would make their respective teams.....I don't see any of those teams chomping at the bit to throw those guys 200 innings the way the Cubs did with Prior. At least not before they gradually worked them into it.
I don't think its out of the realm of possibility to look at an organization that's continually made the wrong choices for 98 years and consider this to be something to add to the list. The track record is there.
by PriorandAramisfan23 on Mar 16, 2007 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think it's unreasonable either.
No matter what a team does to prevent these injuries, they're going to happen.
Prior coming back so quickly after that line drive was mostly his decision. He's the one who pushed it to get back so soon. The Cubs are certainly responsible for some of this, but so is Mark Prior and so is dumb luck.
I agree
I would guess the elbow injury plays a big role. Maybe Prior is pitching in fear - fear of being hit by another liner. Couldn't that affect a pitcher's psyche just the way a batter can lose his ability after being hit in the head?
You may be on to something here.
I've thought about that too...
But seriously, it is more than just a possibility.
by Chitown Mojo on Mar 16, 2007 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Not to get statistical on you...
In other words, just because he fell apart following that line-drive does NOT NECESSARILY mean that the line-drive caused the damage or had more impact.
I really have to think the abuse under Baker is more to blame. Remember, Prior came back relatively quickly after that line-drive, and I disagree that he was dominant before the line drive....
True.
As for what may have been the biggest impact, I don't know, but I know when the problems that we're seeing now started. Sure, maybe it started at that point and is just coincidental, but the major reason for it is abuse. Maybe he threw out his arm in college and it just became a problem. I have no idea.
Wow ..
I truly believe it's time to move on. I loved Prior... but I really think it's SOMETHING wrong with him. Something that he is not willing to admit. It's time to develop Donald Veal and maybe he will be the dominate force that we thought Prior would be.
Al
But thanks for the info. Maybe we know who Muskrat is here on BCB : )
by ksucubbie on Mar 16, 2007 1:54 PM CDT reply actions
Prior
Wow. That was blunt.
by Hobbes on Mar 16, 2007 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Thanks, Al...
Is this the beginning of the end for Mark Prior? Probably. With each successive failure (and I'd define today's outing as a failure), it becomes less and less likely that he'll ever resurface as the great pitcher we saw in '03. Is it possible he might? Yeah, it's possible. And I'm a Cubs fan, so I hope that possibility comes to fruition. But I doubt it ever will.
I don't think the Cubs should release him either. They should give him every opportunity to succeed. But I fear the end is drawing near. Simply put, if Prior could pitch well, he would. And he's not.
The only immediate bright side I see here is at least we're learning of Prior's inability to pitch competitively now -- on March 16 -- instead of April or May 16, when damage would have surely been done to the Cubs regular season.
Interesting spin for a guy who went
Clearly he is not the power pitcher he once was but that doesn't mean he can't improve. Little to early to give up on this guy. The lack of control is not surprising given how little he has pitched the last 2 years.
I think what Al...
Let's send him to Iowa, and see what he has left.
Right.
All today proved is that he can get minor league hitters out -- about half the time.
You're still reachin Al
by Kyle Turney on Mar 16, 2007 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions
There is a difference...
The difference can clearly be seen in how Jason Marquis, who pitched for the "other side" in this game, against the same type of hitters, fared.
Marquis consistently got ground balls, threw strikes (45 of 68 pitches), was ahead of hitters. Prior wasn't. In a game against hitters of this caliber, you can get away with pitching from behind. Against major league hitters, you can't.
It really is as simple as that.
What was Marquis line?
by Kyle Turney on Mar 16, 2007 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions
A few names to consider
- Don Gullett - Made the big leagues at 19, was 15-4 in only 22 starts at age 24
- Mark Fidrych - 19-9 the year before at age 21 with 24 CG in 29 starts. 6-4 in 1977 before getting hurt
- Mike Norris - 22-9 w/24 CG at age 25
Sports medicine and pitching strategy has come a long way since then, but is it possible that Prior's injury puts him in their category?
Absolutely. It's just been so rare, and it's our team for once. Are we feeling any different then say Tigers fans in 1980?? The 1980 A's staff which Norris fronted was the poster child for pitcher abuse. The warning signs were there with Dusty.
I think that he could have overcome basic pitcher abuse, but not the combination of abuse AND consecutive fluke injuries.
I may be wrong here, but I think Prior has the physical potential to retool his game at Iowa for 30 starts and become a good #4 starter with a different kind of game. But, I seriously doubt that somebody as primped and coddled as Mark Prior wants to go through that much effort for what he may consider a lowly reward.
by Invalid User on Mar 16, 2007 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Can't give up quite yet
The Cubs were smart to build a team and a pitching staff that did not depend on either MP or K. Wood (see his latest "setback'' yesterday or today, termed minor). Whether it's good enough to win a division or make playoffs remains to be seen; I personally don't see them as a powerhouse without at least one performing up to, or close to, his old ability. It is very sad to see and tough to absorb, like Len Bias' death on the Celtics, Prior is dying right before our eyes as a dominant pitcher.
Still, I did not and still do not agree with the Mariotti "stir up controversy'' take on Prior to rid themselves of this guy once and for all and move on...no value, and could come back to bite us big time even this year, depending.
Does not make sense that he's "healthy'' and struggling this badly.
But we'll never know the "real story'' on Prior until, when, if, he leaves Cubdom...then it may seep out. Whatever "it'' is.
Will be checking to get Carrie M's take on the outing as well as others...how much glossing over can you do?? Sully in Trib. has been pretty hard hitting about it.
by writerinwrigley on Mar 16, 2007 3:02 PM CDT reply actions
Damn
BTW, Ron Cey walked right by me fleeing from the rain at the Red Sox-Dodgers game this afternoon. Matsuzaka looked variably shaky to OK, but deifnitely not worth the money at this point unless he is just working on stuff.
For those of use stuck at work...
re: For those of use stuck at work...
I came in from the pool...
yep,
by cashcowsquirtingsourmilk on Mar 16, 2007 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions
I would but my computer is in a different room
by cashcowsquirtingsourmilk on Mar 16, 2007 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions
HR MURTON!
1-0 I think
by cashcowsquirtingsourmilk on Mar 16, 2007 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Sorry -- that was a typo.
Unless that bad boy is heated
by lemon17pie on Mar 16, 2007 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions
He hates the cubs
by cashcowsquirtingsourmilk on Mar 16, 2007 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions
re: He hates the cubs
hawk sez..
by cashcowsquirtingsourmilk on Mar 16, 2007 3:29 PM CDT reply actions
Hawk...
Believes that Sori is the best player they've gotten in years, and 2., believes the team will win the NL Central.
by TheEman on Mar 16, 2007 3:30 PM CDT reply actions
soriano makes questionable throw to third
Pie, right?
Ugh.
Bite Your Tongue!
Z. He doesn't need an exclamtion point. He is one.
I don't know about no baseball...
by sparkles721 on Mar 16, 2007 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions
ugh, cliff floyd looking ugly in left
Ugly, horrid, Left Fielding by Cliff...
CLIFF FLOYD!!! Horribly mis-played a single hit to left - turned into a "triple."
Just waved at the ball...and then lightly jogs back to the wall...
Ughh!!!!
by TheEman on Mar 16, 2007 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions
looks like
by cashcowsquirtingsourmilk on Mar 16, 2007 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Unfortunately,
by TheEman on Mar 16, 2007 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions
2-1Sox
Guzman up 0-2 in the count and hangs a curve over the middle of the plate, Iguchi lines it to LF and Floyd plays a single into a triple. Guzman not getting any help by Cubs Defense so far.
THrowing 94-95 with some really nice hooks. He should be the Cubs 5th starter, just from what I've seen so far.
by lemon17pie on Mar 16, 2007 3:41 PM CDT reply actions
Guzman is not yet...
I predict it will be Miller.
These guys HAVE to learn how to finish off hitters and innings.
As I've said before, Roberto Novoa is great at getting two strikes or two outs. YA GOTTA FINISH THE DEAL, BABY!
by TheEman on Mar 16, 2007 3:44 PM CDT reply actions
That wasn't all Guzman's fault...
I'm not watching
by SuperContext on Mar 16, 2007 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree..
by lemon17pie on Mar 16, 2007 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Uh...
Spring training is about process, not results. If Angel Guzman is doing his job, locating his pitches well, and doing what he's supposed to do, that's what matters. Luck will start to even out with larger sample sizes.
Grudgingly
But it is time to learn how to finish the deal.
He went 0-7 in '06 and couldn't find a way.
by TheEman on Mar 16, 2007 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Guzman around the plate constantly
spudnik tries to bunt his way on. guz gets over quickly to end the inning. 2-1 after one.
by cashcowsquirtingsourmilk on Mar 16, 2007 3:47 PM CDT reply actions
quick inning for cub hitters
by cashcowsquirtingsourmilk on Mar 16, 2007 3:56 PM CDT reply actions
Guzman
Sox broadcast
guzman
by ksucubbie on Mar 16, 2007 4:00 PM CDT reply actions
another good inning by guz
by cashcowsquirtingsourmilk on Mar 16, 2007 4:02 PM CDT reply actions
Between Gameday for Cubs-Sox
But Go Cubs, Go T-A&M-CC, and Go Creighton (in that order)
I think Gameday's broken.
It also placed the ball in the strike zone
by SuperContext on Mar 16, 2007 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't know...
hey, thanks ronny
by cashcowsquirtingsourmilk on Mar 16, 2007 4:12 PM CDT reply actions
Marquis today
by Kyle Turney on Mar 16, 2007 4:16 PM CDT reply actions
I'd say maybe Wade Miller is now the front runner?
re: I'd say maybe Wade Miller is now the front run
The defense has let him down a couple of times
Yeah...
I agree with previous Guzman comments
hitters were fouling off pitch after pitch today so his pitch count was getting up there even though he wasn't that wild except for the pitch he hit Iguchi with.
He's out now. Ryan O'Mally in.
sac fly to Pie, who had trouble with the sun. now 5-2 sox. 2 outs.
FO to JJ. inning over.
by cashcowsquirtingsourmilk on Mar 16, 2007 4:30 PM CDT reply actions
also..
by cashcowsquirtingsourmilk on Mar 16, 2007 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions
"several" times?
Anyway, he had some positives he can build on.
by lemon17pie on Mar 16, 2007 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions
he hung at least 3 to uribe
by cashcowsquirtingsourmilk on Mar 16, 2007 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions
It doesn't make sense
definately pitching to contact
by cashcowsquirtingsourmilk on Mar 16, 2007 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Wasn't bad, wasn't great...
Like many said, his Defense didn't do him too many favors and for the most part, wasn't hit too hard.
by lemon17pie on Mar 16, 2007 4:37 PM CDT reply actions
single by Lee 5-3
by cashcowsquirtingsourmilk on Mar 16, 2007 4:39 PM CDT reply actions
Sounds like to me...
I agree, though, that the defense is worrisome.
I don't think this game
by cashcowsquirtingsourmilk on Mar 16, 2007 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Carry Muskat
She only saw 1 hit and had 68 pitches(45 strikes). Also had Marquis at 86 pitches through 5 innings. Looks like they were both at about the same pace. I expected it to be puffed but the number disparity is alot. Not sure who to believe, but I know who I'd rather believe.
by Kyle Turney on Mar 16, 2007 4:44 PM CDT reply actions
Those pitch counts...
Guess I should have kept track myself. But given the game I saw, there's no way Marquis threw more pitches than Prior, and certainly not 18 more.
oh dear
by cashcowsquirtingsourmilk on Mar 16, 2007 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Gameday seems to think....
O' Malley was in
by Kyle Turney on Mar 16, 2007 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions
it was o'malley with the 4-pitch walks
by cashcowsquirtingsourmilk on Mar 16, 2007 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions
O'Malley got *LIT*
by lemon17pie on Mar 16, 2007 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions
O'Malley
Sidenote
by NightPutting on Mar 16, 2007 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions
That was the...
by lemon17pie on Mar 16, 2007 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't forget
Who's pitching for the Cubs?
was o'malley who gave up the walks and hit
by cashcowsquirtingsourmilk on Mar 16, 2007 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions
The only thing
ouch
by SuperContext on Mar 16, 2007 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions
second that
by NightPutting on Mar 16, 2007 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Sickening
nice play by derosa getting force at 2nd
first time i've seen cherry
by cashcowsquirtingsourmilk on Mar 16, 2007 4:57 PM CDT reply actions
nice play by derosa getting force at 2nd
first time i've seen cherry
by cashcowsquirtingsourmilk on Mar 16, 2007 4:58 PM CDT reply actions
O"Malley that bad? & Floyd in LF
I'd rather lose to Sox now; we're resting a lot of big bats today anyway...unsure why Floyd is in left and Murton DH...guess they gotta see what Cliff can do in field...worries me and probably why they need to keep Pagan; lift Floyd after 6-7 innings tops when he plays for "defensive replacement.''
by writerinwrigley on Mar 16, 2007 4:59 PM CDT reply actions
groundout to derosa. inning over 6-3 after 5
by cashcowsquirtingsourmilk on Mar 16, 2007 4:59 PM CDT reply actions
At this point in ST...
Somehow, we have a hard time beating these guys.
It will be interesting to see how this will pan out in the regular season.
The Sox are a very talented, stacked team, it pains me to say.
I'd love top have Uribe and Iguchi as opposed to our mediocrity.
by TheEman on Mar 16, 2007 5:06 PM CDT reply actions
World Series, 2005? See it? 9th inning?
YES. URIBE.
Are you watching our "hopefuls" today? Coates and Thierot? And, Cliff Floyd?
IF you are not watching it with your own eyes, you are avoiding depression. IF this team continues giving 4 and 5 outs an innings to teams, it will make the difference in them being "in it" or gone.
by TheEman on Mar 16, 2007 5:15 PM CDT reply actions
oh boy
Uribe is less than a mediocre player. look it up, and learn how the spell our player's names.
Yes our defense is not great. Our pitching and offense will have to do it this year. I'm not one of the optimists predicting 90 wins.
by cashcowsquirtingsourmilk on Mar 16, 2007 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Neither am I.
You knew what I meant
And indeed it was four games, sealed with outstanding play at the shortstop position. But you'd rather have Ronny Cedeno or "Gold Glove" Izturis?
Look THAT up.
by TheEman on Mar 16, 2007 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions
i've looked them up
by cashcowsquirtingsourmilk on Mar 16, 2007 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Well "the bottom"..
by TheEman on Mar 16, 2007 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions
How I view Uribe...
Limited range
Strong arm
Overall a good defensive player
Way over the top aggressive swinger
I watched Uribe "battle" Angel Guzman yesterday. Guzman had Uribe down with 2 strikes. Even though Guzman had the advantage with 2 strikes and no balls, Guzman did not take advantage of the wild swinger and Guzman kept nibbling around the plate. IIRC Uribe ended up with a hit. Knowing Uribe, I wondered why Guzman did not toss high/hard fastball, say over Uribe's head but over the plate. No, just nibble, nibble.
Al,
by cashcowsquirtingsourmilk on Mar 16, 2007 5:28 PM CDT reply actions
Just came in from the pool...
Who on Earth transported that idiot to Tucson? Could we get whoever that is to LEAVE HIM THERE?
Or maybe the Sox fans will take care of him. Ugh.
Woo-Woo
by TheEman on Mar 16, 2007 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Years ago...
Ohhhhh...
Do you think he will succumb to permanent throat silence ever?
by TheEman on Mar 16, 2007 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Gosh, I sure hope so.
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Well...
Maybe after Woo Woo dies I can take his place and get all this free stuff. It seems like an awesome job. He gets so much for doing basically nothing.
by sparkles721 on Mar 16, 2007 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions
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woo woo boo boo
by Invalid User on Mar 16, 2007 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions
I saw Woo Woo..
People were taking pictures with him like he was some sort of celeberity. Why encourage him? He just walked around the bar waiting for someone to buy him a beer and inevitably someone always does.
It is hot out here lately so we can hope heat exhaustion kicks sets in.
by lemon17pie on Mar 16, 2007 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Why does Woo draw
Christ, I give the guy credit for turning himself into a mascot before the concept even came about. You might say he was ahead of his time. He manifested celebrity without really trying to.
(In the current climate, that's a regular industry. But back then...)
Al, I'll respond for you. Stay by the pool and enjoy.
Al: "...and I wish he'd go back in time!!!"
Bada-bing!
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Mar 16, 2007 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Here's the difference...
You can turn off the TV when the Hawk is on, or mute the sound.
You can't do that with the other one.
Oh, you mean
by TheEman on Mar 16, 2007 5:29 PM CDT reply actions
ESPN had a teaser on sportscenter just now
This offseason...
by vegascubsfan on Mar 16, 2007 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Who does pay for Woo Woo? and how old is he anyway
Nice guy but basically a nitwit...he adds to the bleacher experience (for some) but that sound might be annoying after a few hours (minutes?) if he gets too close and doesn't stop.
Either way the guy's a legend when was he first sighted out there? 60s?? I think I've seen him, definitely, since the 80s...his age, I'm guessing is around 60, maybe higher.
A friend of mine once talked to him in the 70s I'm thinking and at that point, he worked at the Y...
by writerinwrigley on Mar 16, 2007 5:46 PM CDT reply actions
He's 63.
It wouldn't be so bad if he'd just stop when you asked him to. Several people yelled "shut up" at him yesterday -- he ignored them. See, that just shows that it's "all about him".
Which it isn't.
bases clearing double
by cashcowsquirtingsourmilk on Mar 16, 2007 5:59 PM CDT reply actions
Jenks has nothing today.
Speaking of annoying...
by lemon17pie on Mar 16, 2007 6:03 PM CDT reply actions
It sounds like...
by TheEman on Mar 16, 2007 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions
You've obviously never been to a Cubs..
by lemon17pie on Mar 16, 2007 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Quite a few empty seats...
I have been a part of "the Chant" at places like Dodger Stadium, Atlanta, yadda yadda...
And NOT drunk.
by TheEman on Mar 16, 2007 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions
I've "obviously never been to A Cubs
Am I missing your point?
by TheEman on Mar 16, 2007 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Do you mean...
If THAT's what you meant, I get it now.
If not, then I missed the point.
The most vociferous "Chant" "let's go __" I have personally heard live has been by Red Sox fans AT WRIGLEY.
But they also sing, "Sweet Caroline".
by TheEman on Mar 16, 2007 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Mc Gehee
Gets doubled off the bag.
by TheEman on Mar 16, 2007 6:07 PM CDT reply actions
When are the NEXT CUTS?
by TheEman on Mar 16, 2007 6:14 PM CDT reply actions
Prior is just kind of there.
Why was Marquis in the same game as Prior? Why did he pitch against minor leaguers?

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