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Who Are You And What Have You Done With Ronny Cedeno?

MESA, Arizona -- He really does look like a different player.

And yes, I know it's only spring training, and yes, I know he's just barely made the team as the 25th man.

But Ronny Cedeno has suddenly started playing like the player we all thought we might be getting last spring when he won the starting SS job. Does this mean he's "figured it out", or "gets it" (a phrase I know I've been slammed for using before)?

Maybe not. But it is nice to see him actually use his athletic talent, to produce on a baseball field. Today, in the Cubs' 6-2 win over the Giants, Cedeno slammed a three-run homer in the second inning, giving the Cubs all the runs they'd need. He also walked (yes, walked; that's his eighth walk of the spring, about half as many as he had in a five-hundred-plus at-bat 2006 season) and scored, and made a couple of nifty plays in the field.

Frankly, he's looked far better than the guy who is supposed to be the starting SS, Cesar Izturis. Had there been an actual competition for the job this spring, Cedeno might very well have won it.

I was one of those who liked Cedeno a year ago based on his small-sample-size 2005 season. Quite honestly, he sucked last year in almost every facet of the game -- plate discipline, batting average, and virtually every time he'd pick up a ball to make a play at the plate, he'd throw the ball away. If he's truly become a major league player -- and we do not know that yet -- I welcome it. We can use as many of those as possible.

That wasn't the only good thing about today's game, played in front of another sellout of 12,754 (including a very large contingent of Giants fans, probably the largest group of visiting-team fans I've seen yet at Ho Ho Kam Park this year), and played in a way that Lou Piniella might manage a regular season game, for the first time; Carlos Zambrano started and threw six very good, very efficient innings. I don't have an exact pitch count but it couldn't have been much over 70; he walked only one, struck out five, and the only run he allowed came after Jacque Jones made an ill-considered dive after a sinking line drive off the bat of Kevin Frandsen. It should have been a single at most, instead it went for a triple, and then Z wild-pitched him home.

Then Kerry Wood entered the game (after Z, who loves to hit, was allowed to bat for himself in the 6th; he struck out swinging) to a loud ovation before his name was even announced. He also threw efficiently; he threw few enough pitches that he might have even been allowed to throw another inning had he not had such a long layoff. He got Frandsen to pop up, gave up a gap double, then retired Mark Sweeney and Randy Winn on ground balls to Derrek Lee. After that, Bob Howry threw the 8th, giving up a run (after retiring the first two hitters easily -- how many times have we seen that already this spring? I hate that!), and then Ryan Dempster threw the 9th, spearing two balls nicely on comebackers and then striking out Sweeney swinging to end the game.

In the ancient pop-song words of Carly Simon: "That's the way I've always heard it should be" -- and let's hope we see a lot of games just like this, with similar final results, this year.

Other offensive notes, apart from Cedeno's big day: Aramis Ramirez hit a massive home run, again over the sidewalk behind the LCF berm, probably 460 feet. Michael Barrett walked twice and singled twice (the Cubs walked five times in all. Don't you love hearing that?); Mark DeRosa had two hits, and Derrek Lee smacked another double.

We had a mini-BCB conclave on the lawn today; in addition to the SD Smooth Jazz Man, joining me for the third day in a row, sitting in front of the scoreboard clock with me were Jessica and her friend jazzman56; also dfrancon, in from Dallas for the weekend. Mrcubsfan and bleacher stopped by, and once again we welcomed Rob from 6-4-2, and his Cubs fan wife Helen. Rob has a very cool camera with an enormous zoom lens, from which he took quite a few excellent photos (FWIW, a diving catch that Jason Ellison made on Cedeno in the sixth inning appeared, from Rob's photo, to possibly have been trapped, though no one argued), and I suspect you'll see some samples thereof at his site in the next day or so.

Several of the above-mentioned BCB'ers arrived quite late, all muttering about having to park somewhere near the Superstition Mountains; I couldn't believe it when I left the park and saw cars parked diagonally up and down both sides of Center Street outside the park; this is something I had never seen the Mesa police (who apparently shrugged at Rob and Helen when they parked there in a no-parking zone) allow before. They'd better prepare to do this again on Sunday, when perhaps the largest crowd of the year arrives to see the Cubs take on the Angels. The weather also cooperated today; though angry-looking dark clouds hovered over the McDowell Mountains near Scottsdale all day, just a few puffy cumulus clouds were over the park in Mesa and not a single raindrop was in sight. The temperature at game time was reported as 66, but with the sunshine it felt quite pleasant. Rain has been taken out of tomorrow's forecast -- good news for the game in Scottsdale, which will have a rematch of these two teams, only with these added features: the appearance of Barry Bonds, who doesn't deign to play "road" spring training games (would it kill you to drive the extra 20 minutes to Mesa, Barry?), and also the first appearance of Barry Zito in a Giants uniform against the Cubs.

And one other bit of news: Mark Prior has earned another spring start, off his appearance yesterday; it'll be Wednesday against the Rockies in Mesa.

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Al,
You may want to look at Cesar's stats before you say he's looked better.  I obviously haven't been there like you have, but Ronny has 8 walks and TEN strikeouts while Izturis has 7 walks in 15 less at-bats and only 1 strikeout.  

Their lines before today:

Cedeno:  310/408/429
Izturis:  333/459/367

As you said, it's spring training and it means little or nothing, but Izturis has at least played as well as Cedeno if not better.

No matter what, the Cubs won't be getting that kind of production at SS once the season begins unfortunately.

by Maddog on Mar 23, 2007 6:55 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Statistically...
... it appears you are right. I am going simply off impressions I have had of seeing both of them play.

Izturis must have had better games earlier in the spring, when I wasn't there. The games I've seen him play, he's looked bad, and the games I've seen Cedeno play, he's looked good.

As I wrote, spring training stats don't necessarily mean that a player has "figured it out". But Cedeno has played well. That is, at the very least, an improvement.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Mar 23, 2007 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If memory serves
 I think Zito pitched the opening Spring Training game on March 1 against the Cubs. I don't have the statistics but seems like he did.
 Yes, it's too bad that the Cubs established their team before Spring Training started by loading up on free agents.
 So if guys like Cedeno and Theriot make the 25-man roster, they'll have to hope their part-time play earns them a chance to topple Izturis and DeRosa, who were signed to play short and second.

by Butchoh31 on Mar 23, 2007 6:57 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the
wonderful recap! Good stuff! Wouldn't it be something if Ronny Cedeno could actually play fundamentally sound?  
Hey Lou, we're long overdue.

by deadcatbounce on Mar 23, 2007 6:58 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I HAVE BEEN SAYING THIS ALL OFFSEASON
Cedeno was YOUNG. That pissed me off so much how everybody had written him off. I think he should have a spot on the roster but not a starter. I know he was BAD but finally someone else shares the same viewpoint.

by roach on Mar 23, 2007 6:59 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I really liked
Cedeno going into last season, but the horrid fundamental play really pissed me off. If he can turn the corner, and play well, I will give Sweet Lou the credit.
Hey Lou, we're long overdue.

by deadcatbounce on Mar 23, 2007 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I won't say I told you so
as I thought Cedeno's 2007 season should be in Iowa.  However, all the people saying he should be released may want to rethink that at least.

I wonder how much is because he might be getting some coaching.    

by rlpete on Mar 23, 2007 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

But...but...but...
Dusty said that players should be finished being coached by the time they get to the majors.  I mean, that's the way it was when he came up.

Isn't it unrealistic to expect major league coaches and managers to actually teach the game to young players?  Don't they have better things to do?

Ok, that's all the sarcasm I can cram into two small paragraphs.

BTW, took in my first game at hohokam today, and absolutely loved it.  Certainly, Mesa isn't set up to accommodate the traffic or the parking for the stadium, but other than that, I'm thrilled that I was finally able to make a game there.

by davidalanu on Mar 23, 2007 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lucky ...
You weren't there before they started building all of those freeways!  Talk about a traffic mess.  And then there were those times when the Salt River flooded ... arrggghh.

LRRF

"God, grant me the Serenity to accept the Prior I cannot change, and the wisdom to know I'll be disappointed."

by Littlerock Rynofan on Mar 24, 2007 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I lived there
back in '78 - '80 when the winter floods took out almost all the bridges in town.  Fortunately I was a poor college student at the time and only had a bicycle as my only means of transportation and so avoided all the traffic jams.  Unfortunately the floods also obliterated some cool rapids we used to tube through on the Salt.

Since that time the traffic has only gotten worse even with the new freeways. Hopefully with global warming kicking in maybe it will get too hot there for the snowbirds and they will begin to migrate back north.

by JFCubFan on Mar 24, 2007 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed
you took the words out of my mouth. The comment about "how we all thought" is troubling. Not to many members of this site thought that or at minimum wrote that. Time and time again many of authors have wanted to jetison him.
"Damn the torpedos, full speed ahead"

by wild bill on Mar 23, 2007 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Al
The past few games, we've had plenty to show us that their might actually be some hope to this season not being the total collapse we witnessed last year.

As someone who discovered BCB after spring training last year, how does this compare to last spring?

Go Nebraska Football!

by sanantonecub on Mar 23, 2007 7:00 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

100% different.
There's just a different FEELING around this team, like they actually have a mission, a purpose. Example: the Cubs take BP every day, yesterday they hit till 12:15, far later than most teams do in ST. There must be specific things they're working on, that's something that Lou Piniella must be impressing on them.

It's a breath of fresh air. Yes, I know I defended Dusty Baker. I was wrong, and I'm not afraid to say so. He was the wrong manager for the Cubs after 2003.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Mar 23, 2007 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sweet
Here's hoping that 100% turnaround puts baseball in Wrigley in late October.

It might sound stupid and overused, but it really does start with feeling it's possible!

Go Nebraska Football!

by sanantonecub on Mar 23, 2007 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And, they are working after the fact.
I spotted Ryan Dempster going for a run down the 'canal' path next the park, after the game. I don't even think anybody else noticed, but he trotted through the park out to the path, and vanished. I saw this happen many years ago at a game in Amaheim....here's a name. I was walking back to my car, after a day game. As I'm opening my car door -- here comes TOMMY JOHN, out for a jog. (Tail end of his career) I say 'Hey Tommmy..." He says "how ya doin?" So, extra effort is always great. FYI, much of the south parking lot was underwater. I'll bet the Mesa cops decided to let stuff go.

by Smooth Jazz Man San Diego on Mar 23, 2007 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

A Theriot-Cedeno DP duo
We'll never know but too much of a risk for a team that spent $138 M on an OF and was/is built to win NOW with the assumption Prior, Wood may not be here after '07.

DeRosa might still assume role of a supersub but does he hit enough to be a corner OF?

Time and some likely injuries will sort some of this stuff out...can still see Cedeno as starting SS or 2B...didn't they talk about him playing there in '07 when initially acquired Izturis? And Hendry saying he saw him as .270 hitter (with some speed and pop, we hope).

Maybe he's learning hard lessons about patience and OBP!!

by writerinwrigley on Mar 23, 2007 7:17 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

re: DeRosa
he certainly hits well enough against lefties to be a corner OF.  That's why so many here wish there would be a strict platoon with Jones/DeRosa.  That would keep Jones far, far away from lefties, and give Theriot more playing time.

by davidalanu on Mar 23, 2007 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: 100% different
What a wonderful comment!! We absolutely need 100% different from last year....I'm feeling real good, let's go from 96 losses to 96 wins.
Hey Lou, we're long overdue.

by deadcatbounce on Mar 23, 2007 7:17 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Zambrano
Good to see he was more efficient. 70 pitches in six innings puts him on easy pace to go 8 or 9 innings without throwing much over 100. I hope he can do that a few times this season. And that we can finally see the no-hitter he's hinted he could throw several times over the years.
"Hello again, everybody. Harry Caray from Wrigley Field on a beautiful day for baseball."

by danimal15 on Mar 23, 2007 9:10 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

96
It says on the Cubs website that he actually threw 96 pitches. Thats not so good.
Glenallen Hill hit that ball 600 feet.

by BigDumbFace on Mar 24, 2007 1:21 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

96?
Ouch!

Well, that would mean about 140 pitches in 9 innings, which of course he's perfectly capable of. But most people here would disagree.

"Hello again, everybody. Harry Caray from Wrigley Field on a beautiful day for baseball."

by danimal15 on Mar 24, 2007 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

if
prior has a good start what do you guys see the cubs doing with him the start of the season

by tbizzle83 on Mar 23, 2007 9:11 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I say...
...leave him in Arizona and let him pitch a couple more games.  He simply hasn't had enough QUALITY innings yet (4, at last count).

Let him pitch a couple games in Arizona and then, if he's doing well, throw him in the mix for the 5th starter near the end of April if Miller is struggling.

"Winning is the greatest marketing idea of all time." --Cubs President John McDonough

by cubbieblue on Mar 23, 2007 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let him continue
to progress in Mesa. On the DL, and then maybe in Iowa.

Seriously, it won't help him to get shelled in April, and he's behind the other pitchers.

by helen on Mar 23, 2007 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And as for that picture you were asking about
The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.

by scareduck on Mar 24, 2007 1:05 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow.
Could have been ruled either way based on that, don't you think?
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Mar 24, 2007 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Trouble I have with it
is 70% of the glove is face down.
The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.

by scareduck on Mar 25, 2007 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lou Pinella, I love you.
"He looked nice and comfortable and confident on the mound," Piniella said. "That's just one time. Let's see what happens here the next time. One thing that we've done with Mark, and I think it's really helped him, is that we haven't set any timetable, we haven't rushed him, we've given him all the time and it's working. Why all of a sudden go into rush mode and risk a setback? Let's see what happens next week."

This brings tears of joy to my eyes.

"Are you gonna bark all day little doggie, or are you gonna bite?"

by VicVega on Mar 24, 2007 1:21 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Smart man, that Piniella.
I like him more with each statement like this I hear.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Mar 24, 2007 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

three words about cedeno
small. sample. size.

I hope I'm wrong and he suddenly turned into ozzie smith, but it's still a dream at this point. I'll still take izturis at this point, or even TheRiot, even though he isn't a good SS. I shore would like to see ryan's bat in the line-up on a regular basis, however. Ronny won't look so good when he faces regular mlb pitching again, but word is that izturis' hammy might be a chronic problem, so that's why Lou is going with the 5th IF. it sucks. that puts us a few wins behind where we thought we might be.

by cashcowsquirtingsourmilk on Mar 24, 2007 1:59 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

A cubs insider
told me after the first couple of weeks of spring training that this year's camp had a whole different attitude; that things were being done much more professionally.  So far Lou has said and done all the right things.  

Regarding Izturis and Cedeno, I was in Mesa during the second week of exhibition games.  Izturis looked to me like a smooth, steady shortstop, making everything look easy and routine.  Cedeno looks like he is trying to make Sportcenter's highlight reel on every play.  His one handed approach to ground balls is going to get him in lots of trouble.

He's got talent, and will make the big play on occasion, but will negate that with bonehead cutoffs, bad throws, and bad at bats.  He'll be a good major league ss or 2bman someday, but for 2007, I feel better with Izturis.  Cedeno still has a lot to learn, and needs to polish his rough edges.

by Clark Addison on Mar 24, 2007 10:35 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree
with you completely. But now with Izturis as our best SS that makes me very worried.

by roach on Mar 24, 2007 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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