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Open Thread: Cubs vs. Mariners at Peoria, Monday 3/5, 2:05 CT

The Cubs' first four exhibition games have been, and I'm being charitable here, forgettable at best.

Today carries more significance, as three pitchers who will have to be, if the Cubs are to be any sort of contender in 2007, key contributors to the pitching staff, will all pitch against the Mariners: Mark Prior will start, followed by Ted Lilly, and later on in the festivities, Kerry Wood.

Bruce Miles writes that Prior is ho-humming today's start, not putting any special meaning to it:

Prior also insisted it doesn’t bother him that people have written him off.

"Go out, get my work in and hope it goes well," he said. "For me, everything’s kind of over and done with. I can’t really dwell on it. I know it’s good storylines and fills pages, but what’s done is done and over with, and I’m moving on and just worrying about what’s going to happen tomorrow.

"Everybody’s been kind of writing me off anyway. It seems a lot of you are still at my locker every day. I know if I go out there and pitch and keep pitching every fifth day, there’s no story. It really doesn’t affect me. It doesn’t bother me. I’m just doing everything I can to pitch. Until my body tells me otherwise, I just keep going about my business."

Yesterday's crowd in Mesa -- 12,903 -- was a Ho Ho Kam Park record (they seem to set these every year; how many extra bodies are they squeezing onto that lawn, anyway?) and I'd expect a large contingent of Cubs fans will create an overflow crowd at Peoria Stadium this afternoon.

Today's game can be heard on MLB Audio with the Seattle broadcasting crew.

MLB.com Gameday (link will probably become active about 30 minutes before gametime)

Update [2007-3-5 13:18:59 by Al]: Lineups, courtesy again of Bruce Miles:

Update [2007-3-5 13:49:58 by Al]: Just got another note from Bruce. The lineup's been changed again:

Pie, CF
Pagan, RF
Murton, LF
Ward, DH
Barrett, C
DeRosa, 2B
Cedeno, SS
Kinkade, 1B
Perez, 3B

Prior, P

I like this one better.

Ryan Theriot was supposed to start at 3B and lead off, but he's sick.

Discuss amongst yourselves.

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The game's on..
XM channel 178, for those who care.

by Oscarson1 on Mar 5, 2007 10:47 AM CST reply actions  

spoke too soon
they pulled the link for mlb.tv as the game started

by miltowncubbie on Mar 5, 2007 2:17 PM CST up reply actions  

wood
looked really wierd with losing all that weight. i hope it helps him stay healthy all year

by tbizzle83 on Mar 5, 2007 10:49 AM CST reply actions  

Weird??
I think he looks fantastic.  

Somehow I think this game is going to be a very accurate omen of our season; you are correct, Al, that this game displays the major crux of our team this 2007 season - Wood, Prior, and Lilly's performances.  God bless.  Or goat curses.

Dan

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on Mar 5, 2007 11:00 AM CST reply actions  

re: Weird??
Although I'm definitely excited about today's game, I'd say it's a bit of a stretch to call it an "accurate omen" of anything (and I'm not sure this is what Al was saying.)

Is this game more significant than other spring training games? Heck, yeah -- Prior and Wood are pitching. From a historical standpoint alone it's signficant. But I, for one, am going in with very moderate expectations. As long as Prior and Wood get in their work (i.e., don't get pulled early for giving up a multitude of runs), don't get hurt (!!!) and throw mostly strikes, I'll be more than satisfied.

We still have a long month ahead of us, though, so I don't think much will be decided re: Prior and Wood by this one game. Unless something bad happens. And that's not going to be the case. (Right, Baseball Gods?!)

I am excited, though. Did I mention that?

I didn't have the ball, bitch!

by daver on Mar 5, 2007 11:50 AM CST up reply actions  

Clarify...
...I am sorry, my last post was a bit jumbled.  I did not mean that "this season rides on today's Wood/Prior/Lilly performance".  Instead, I meant that it is obviously significant that (1) Wood lost 30 some pounds for this year's season, (2) Prior is making his first spring training start in how long?!, and (3) this is Lilly's first appearance in a Cubs uni.  I just meant that success for this organization starts with these three.  Sorry my crap was post.

Dan

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on Mar 5, 2007 12:10 PM CST up reply actions  

I really don't want to be psyched for this
It goes against my better judgment.  But I still can't resist at least a bit of excitement and anticipation to see how these guys perform today.  

by SuperContext on Mar 5, 2007 11:54 AM CST reply actions  

Same here
I have to keep telling myself that it's only spring training

by vegascubsfan on Mar 5, 2007 11:59 AM CST up reply actions  

never mind I just read the title of
the thread. Geez that was dumb.
THE FONZ HAS ARRIVED!

by amaru on Mar 5, 2007 12:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes.
Yes it was.  You fit right in here :)
PAGAN!

by Jesse Guam on Mar 5, 2007 1:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Wood
My folks are down in Mesa for the month (something they have done for the last 10 yrs since retiring damn them!) and my dad had a 15 min conversation with Wood.

He couldn't believe how positive he was and in good spirits.. He said he looked the best he has since 1998. They also chatted about Wood's baby and my soon-to-be 2nd child. Kinda cool that Kerry Wood knows i'm having a baby next week!

by Thos on Mar 5, 2007 12:00 PM CST reply actions  

Go Cubs!!!
Adam Haluska...#1 scorer in the Big Ten this season.

by sue369 on Mar 5, 2007 12:02 PM CST reply actions  

Sorry
I know I shouldn't do this, but I do love myself some Hawkeyes. However, I do think Alford has about run his course in Iowa City. It's about time we got someone in there who both knew how to recruit and how to coach the kids up. As a recent graduate I can tell you that Alford has basically killed basketball around campus. I can't really imagine him sparking the interest amoung students back up to the levels it was when he first got there. He's not a very warm and liked figure in the community there. Sorry for the off topic stuff...

by hawkeyenation on Mar 5, 2007 1:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Thank you!
I'm a Badger alum who has nothing against Iowa athletics but Steve Alford positively makes me root against Iowa. His actions during the Pierre Pierce situations were inexcusable. He preaches religion, yet he doesn't follow his own words. I do not understand how the university continues to employ him.

DmL

by dmlichte on Mar 5, 2007 1:48 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree that
Alford needs to go. He's a phony and makes me want to puke just looking at him. I do watch the team but it's hard to do with him there too. I wish he would make things simple and just leave.
Adam Haluska...#1 scorer in the Big Ten this season.

by sue369 on Mar 5, 2007 2:01 PM CST up reply actions  

I wonder
I wonder with Bowlsby leaving, who was Alfrord's greatest endorser on campus, whether Stevie will eventually just get the boot. The whole community was outraged with the whole Pierce scandal and the fact he's not an elite coach but is getting paid like one I think is finally starting to dawn on people. For a guy who was so good as a player he is a pretty horrific coach. They need to bring in someone with class to lead that program, much like they did with Kirk (who, even though I love him and love Hawkeye football about as much as I love the Cubs, is overpaid a bit). That's just my opinion though. Maybe a quick loss in the NIT will get Alford fired, or, and I hate to say this, perhaps even missing the NIT would do the trick. I feel bad Haluska had to suffer under such a hack, although he's had an amazing year.

by hawkeyenation on Mar 5, 2007 2:14 PM CST up reply actions  

One can
only hope he will be gone. I like the team just not the coach.

I love Ferentz and it doesn't bother me what he makes.

Adam Haluska...#1 scorer in the Big Ten this season.

by sue369 on Mar 5, 2007 2:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Doesn't bother me either
and to be honest, I'm glad he's overpaid. Makes sure he's around the program for longer and not look towards the NFL. That and he's a class act. He is exactly what the university needs in coaches, Stevie, obviously, is not. I already can't wait until football season. Just have to hope that I can get season tickets. And then I have to search out tickets for Sept. 2nd, as the Hawks play at Soldier the 1st against Northern Illinois and I will be making the trip for that and would love to catch a Cubs game while I'm in the area.

by hawkeyenation on Mar 5, 2007 2:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Alford
Iowa's decision to get rid of Tom Davis for Alford was bad.   The only worse decision is the one to keep Alford.  He has turned a program that under Olsson and Davis, was one of the best in the Big Ten into a Penn State-like laughing stock.  Add to this the "bad citizen" problems and his reaction to them, and I wonder why they are keeping him around.  He's got the game management skill of Dusty Baker and the morals of he-who-will-not-be-named (although he did Coach Alford)

by frustratedfan on Mar 5, 2007 2:56 PM CST up reply actions  

st
I usually take any performances with a grain of salt, but take the opportunity to bone up on my fan moves for the regular season. For Instance:

The one run, it might as well be ten hopelessness. Usually caused by runners left on the basepath after no out hits.

The 7th inning cringer. I practice following the game with no sound on after whoever c-list celeb comes in for an interview after limping their way for "take me out"

Closer shuffle: When three runs isn't safe, I feel a growing subsuming terror. Dusty would usually respond to this by subbing for Novoa.

Any tips much appreciated.

Peter S.

by HerrProf on Mar 5, 2007 12:02 PM CST reply actions  

Yesterday's game was great !
Wow ! What a game against the Chicago White Sox ! WOO HOO !

by 1969cubs on Mar 5, 2007 12:03 PM CST reply actions  

About Prior....

He has contributed very little over the last couple of years, and yet he felt compelled to request more salary. I am somewhat disappointed by that. Oh well, I sure hope he gives us some productivity this year. It will interesting to see how he fares today.

Hey Lou, we're long overdue.

by deadcatbounce on Mar 5, 2007 12:16 PM CST reply actions  

Prior
Yes, he has contributed nothing, but taking a pay cut would mean he would be taking a huge pay cut when inflation is accounted for. I think it's fair to give him the money he wanted.

by alwaysacub on Mar 5, 2007 1:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Prior...
Probably didn't ask for a raise himself. Prior doesn't go to Hendry and say, I want such and such.

Prior's agent asked for basically an inflationary raise. Think about this though, if an agent ASKS for a paycut for their client, what do you think happens then? He'd be fired immediately and probably would have a hard time keeping/acquiring clients if they found out.

by vegascubsfan on Mar 5, 2007 2:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Harbinger, or icing?
Al, I'm not sure how much I agree with you that the Cubs fortunes are intimately tied to the threesome going today.  The offseason was all about eliminating the REQUIREMENT that we rely on Prior and Wood - with more starting pitching options (behind Zambrano and Hill, we now have Lilly, Marquis, Marshall, Miller, Cotts and Prior all in the mix - 6 pitchers for 3 spots, or, as I supsect is possible, three - Miller, Mashall, and Prior - for one spot).

Hey, greatness by Prior and Wood would go a long ways towards "icing" this season as a potential drought-breaker....if Prior becomes Cy Mark again, and Kerry steps in as Gagne-reincarnated at closer, we're gonna look REALLY good.  

But I'm cautious (though optimistic) on both those counts....thankfully, though, thanks to Jim Hendry's crazy spending ways, I'm not depending on those things to happen for the Cubs to be contenders, which is a FANTASTIC relief...

by Chadnudj on Mar 5, 2007 12:44 PM CST reply actions  

i would like to win a game
Come on over to my house mama, ain't nobody home but me.

by buckmulligan on Mar 5, 2007 12:59 PM CST reply actions  

"STICK TO THE BASICS...
...STICK TO THE BASICS!!

Ah, nothing like a good Coach Bud Kilmer quote.  Oh, Varsity Blues, how I love you.

Dan

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on Mar 5, 2007 1:13 PM CST up reply actions  

LOL (laughing over lineup)
That's an amusing lineup to say the least. Cedeno leading off. Gotta love spring training. I think it's safe to say that this will be a "pitching focused" game for the Cubs.

THE RIOT: Get well soon.

I didn't have the ball, bitch!

by daver on Mar 5, 2007 1:30 PM CST reply actions  

Agreed....
this lineup sucks.
RAMIREZ!! PRIOR!!

by PriorandAramisfan23 on Mar 5, 2007 1:33 PM CST up reply actions  

re: Agreed....
I know, it's so sucky it's funny. Watch, the Cubs will score 15 runs.
I didn't have the ball, bitch!

by daver on Mar 5, 2007 1:39 PM CST up reply actions  

It would be nice to get a win......
but I wish we could fast forward ST 2 weeks when most of the scrubs will go back to the minors or get released. I keep reminding myself its only temporary.
RAMIREZ!! PRIOR!!

by PriorandAramisfan23 on Mar 5, 2007 1:46 PM CST up reply actions  

The least
Sweet Lou could do is help out Prior and give him a good defensive lineup
Soriano+ DLee + Ramirez = 1 Damn Good Meat of the Lineup AND Zambrano + LILLY = Playoff Bound Cubbies!!!

by LilLPLancer23 on Mar 5, 2007 1:42 PM CST reply actions  

Lineup
Gameday has Pie playing center and leading off, Pagan playing right, and Cedeno batting 7th.  I'm not saying that's correct, I'm just posting what Gameday says.
PAGAN!

by Jesse Guam on Mar 5, 2007 1:48 PM CST reply actions  

That's correct.
Just got another update from Bruce -- posted as you note on the front page. Thanks!
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Mar 5, 2007 1:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Good
Bruce Miles is like a god among sportswriters.  I'd hate to see him be wrong.
PAGAN!

by Jesse Guam on Mar 5, 2007 1:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Is Prior still going
or did something happen to him during warm-ups? (Not that I heard anything, you understand, it's just that with him, you never know!)
"Hello again, everybody. Harry Caray from Wrigley Field on a beautiful day for baseball."

by danimal15 on Mar 5, 2007 1:53 PM CST reply actions  

LOL
Yes, he's still going.

First two hitters:

Pie, grounded out 4-3
Pagan, struck out

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Mar 5, 2007 2:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Jose Macias...
Did anyone notice he's a NRI for the Nationals?  I'm sure it got commented on earlier, but I must have missed it.

by bleedhawkeyegold on Mar 5, 2007 2:02 PM CST reply actions  

I did notice that.
Washington seems to be a dumping ground these days.

If he makes the team, they're in serious trouble. Or, expecting to name Dusty Baker manager soon.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Mar 5, 2007 2:10 PM CST up reply actions  

A chance to
see how Pie does today. This should give us an idea of how ready he is.
Adam Haluska...#1 scorer in the Big Ten this season.

by sue369 on Mar 5, 2007 2:07 PM CST reply actions  

For all the hype surrounding him...
I expected him to get to everything during the game on Saturday against Oakland. There were a couple of balls where I thought he got bad jumps on the ball and was unable to make the catch.

Dont get me wrong they would have been great plays, just with the way they talk about him, I expect great plays.

by FullyKraeusened on Mar 5, 2007 2:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Well...
...that was quick.
I didn't have the ball, bitch!

by daver on Mar 5, 2007 2:11 PM CST reply actions  

whoo coats!
buck with the catch and the nice throw..
Peter S.

by HerrProf on Mar 5, 2007 2:13 PM CST reply actions  

HA HA!!!
Nice try, slick Willie.
I didn't have the ball, bitch!

by daver on Mar 5, 2007 2:13 PM CST reply actions  

Talk about emotional whiplash...
I just went from utter disappointment to total elation in 2.5 seconds.
I didn't have the ball, bitch!

by daver on Mar 5, 2007 2:14 PM CST reply actions  

Weird
With the Cubs, it's usually the opposite.
PAGAN!

by Jesse Guam on Mar 5, 2007 2:15 PM CST up reply actions  

you have to have
steely nerves when listening to unfriendly radiocasts.. homerisms abound
Peter S.

by HerrProf on Mar 5, 2007 2:15 PM CST reply actions  

control...
doesn't seem to be there yet for prior

by madtown on Mar 5, 2007 2:17 PM CST reply actions  

re: control...
Yeah, he doesn't seem to be throwing strikes with any consistency.
I didn't have the ball, bitch!

by daver on Mar 5, 2007 2:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Gameday is awful
n/t.
RAMIREZ!! PRIOR!!

by PriorandAramisfan23 on Mar 5, 2007 2:18 PM CST reply actions  

re: Gameday is awful
Yeah, I've kinda given up on it for the time being. It just doesn't refresh often enough.
I didn't have the ball, bitch!

by daver on Mar 5, 2007 2:21 PM CST up reply actions  

I think...
... Gameday will be OK during the season -- it's not really even supposed to be "out there" -- the links were "accidentally" discovered. They must be doing testing.

Prior didn't have a very good first inning, but he got away with it.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Mar 5, 2007 2:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Hmpf...
Well, no serious damage done. Let's see whether Prior finds the strike zone next inning.
I didn't have the ball, bitch!

by daver on Mar 5, 2007 2:22 PM CST reply actions  

got out of the inning
didnt hear how.. dumb work. Prior walked two though.
Peter S.

by HerrProf on Mar 5, 2007 2:22 PM CST reply actions  

2 down
fly out to left.. derosa up to bat
Peter S.

by HerrProf on Mar 5, 2007 2:26 PM CST reply actions  

walked
cedeno up to bat.. de rosa on 1st
Peter S.

by HerrProf on Mar 5, 2007 2:28 PM CST reply actions  

DeRosa draws the walk
Sweet.
I didn't have the ball, bitch!

by daver on Mar 5, 2007 2:28 PM CST reply actions  

ronny walks
looks like the strike zone is missing for both pitchers
Peter S.

by HerrProf on Mar 5, 2007 2:29 PM CST reply actions  

Why do I have the feeling...
that this is not the lineup to get our first mark in the win column?  I know spring training records are basically meaningless, but it won't look good startin' out 0-4.

by Schwa on Mar 5, 2007 2:29 PM CST reply actions  

0-4-1
Like hockey, you get a point for a tie, right!?

by madtown on Mar 5, 2007 2:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Touche...
forgot to account for the tie.  Do you/did you go to UW?

by Schwa on Mar 5, 2007 2:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Madtown
One of the best places on the planet.
Well, sometimes nothin is a real cool hand.

by wicubfan on Mar 5, 2007 5:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Wow...
Cubs players drawing walks. Room spinning.
I didn't have the ball, bitch!

by daver on Mar 5, 2007 2:29 PM CST reply actions  

Herr Prof...
Please continue your play-by-play.

THANKS!

Cardinals make me see Red!

by TheEman on Mar 5, 2007 2:32 PM CST reply actions  

End of Cubs' second.
No runs scored, but the walks were nice.
I didn't have the ball, bitch!

by daver on Mar 5, 2007 2:32 PM CST reply actions  

jojima line drive to center
base hit for the catcher.
Peter S.

by HerrProf on Mar 5, 2007 2:36 PM CST reply actions  

eww gapper
mike morris double, jojima to 2rd after rothchild mound visit.
Peter S.

by HerrProf on Mar 5, 2007 2:38 PM CST reply actions  

Rothchild out...
Then a double. Runners on second and third.
I didn't have the ball, bitch!

by daver on Mar 5, 2007 2:38 PM CST reply actions  

thatll clear the bases
double to clear the bases 2-0 seattle
Peter S.

by HerrProf on Mar 5, 2007 2:39 PM CST reply actions  

Ugh.
410-foot double, two runs score.

This isn't good.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Mar 5, 2007 2:39 PM CST reply actions  

re: Ugh.
Yup. He's clearly struggling.
I didn't have the ball, bitch!

by daver on Mar 5, 2007 2:40 PM CST up reply actions  

fat pitch?
Come on over to my house mama, ain't nobody home but me.

by buckmulligan on Mar 5, 2007 2:41 PM CST up reply actions  

damn........
n/t.
RAMIREZ!! PRIOR!!

by PriorandAramisfan23 on Mar 5, 2007 2:40 PM CST reply actions  

Prior is toast
You know you're in trouble when you start thinking "jeez, I'm glad they signed Marquis!"
RICK SCHWAB!

by ExNorthsider on Mar 5, 2007 2:41 PM CST reply actions  

Damn...
Lou is pulling him early. Not good. Very disappointing.
I didn't have the ball, bitch!

by daver on Mar 5, 2007 2:41 PM CST reply actions  

Well...
Pessimists/Realists: 1
Optimists: 0

One more chance to even the score when Kerry gets in...

by Schwa on Mar 5, 2007 2:42 PM CST reply actions  

how many pitches did he throw?
Come on over to my house mama, ain't nobody home but me.

by buckmulligan on Mar 5, 2007 2:42 PM CST reply actions  

Not sure.
But the Seattle radio guys said he was only throwing 83 MPH. That's not good, either.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Mar 5, 2007 2:45 PM CST up reply actions  

ben howard?
they didnt pull mark because of pitch count
Peter S.

by HerrProf on Mar 5, 2007 2:43 PM CST reply actions  

re: ben howard?
Yup, Howard is in. And, FWIW, the Seattle radio guys did speculate that Prior was on a pitch count.
I didn't have the ball, bitch!

by daver on Mar 5, 2007 2:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Easy.....
folks.....

It is his first outing in a while.  

It is really sad that I am the voice of optimism.  At least his arm has not fallen off (yet).....

It is good to be home again!!!!!!

by timeforachange on Mar 5, 2007 2:43 PM CST reply actions  

There is some cause for concern......
if his velocity and control are shitty. This outing sounds like a typical Prior start from last year.
RAMIREZ!! PRIOR!!

by PriorandAramisfan23 on Mar 5, 2007 2:47 PM CST up reply actions  

I stand....
corrected.  I did not know that he was topping out at 83-84 mph......

Back to the program.....

It is good to be home again!!!!!!

by timeforachange on Mar 5, 2007 2:50 PM CST up reply actions  

ST is pretty much a disaster
so far.

What the F?

The positives are very, very few after a week.

Cardinals make me see Red!

by TheEman on Mar 5, 2007 2:43 PM CST reply actions  

But hey..
we got Lou! All will be different.
Well, sometimes nothin is a real cool hand.

by wicubfan on Mar 5, 2007 5:18 PM CST up reply actions  

just stole third
and almost threw it away.
Peter S.

by HerrProf on Mar 5, 2007 2:44 PM CST reply actions  

Crap.
Back to tossing towels.

by bergs55 on Mar 5, 2007 2:44 PM CST reply actions  

Note
Rothchild or Lou must have saw something they didn't like from Prior pulling him early.

I'm glad. He's got some work to do. Good call from Lou/Larry.

He'll be fine. The frist one is out of the way.

Lets get Woody going.

Sosa back in baseball can't be all bad. Long live the Gladiator!!!

by Scott G F on Mar 5, 2007 2:44 PM CST reply actions  

You had me....
until I saw your sig line......

Sosa = tool

It is good to be home again!!!!!!

by timeforachange on Mar 5, 2007 2:45 PM CST up reply actions  

LOL
I like His Sammieness. Warts and all.
Sosa back in baseball can't be all bad. Long live the Gladiator!!!

by Scott G F on Mar 5, 2007 2:46 PM CST up reply actions  

prior pitches
had no velocity, topping out at "83-84"
Peter S.

by HerrProf on Mar 5, 2007 2:45 PM CST reply actions  

suppose to build up to your velocity though, yes?
Come on over to my house mama, ain't nobody home but me.

by buckmulligan on Mar 5, 2007 2:46 PM CST up reply actions  

agreed.
I'm not really worried about prior's velocity at this point.  lou and larry probably have him more focused on hitting the strike zone than turning it up a notch.

the walks hurt though.  

by bmeteor on Mar 5, 2007 3:47 PM CST up reply actions  

spring training sucks.
Come on over to my house mama, ain't nobody home but me.

by buckmulligan on Mar 5, 2007 2:45 PM CST reply actions  

"He'll be fine"
Oh really, Doc?
Cardinals make me see Red!

by TheEman on Mar 5, 2007 2:45 PM CST reply actions  

Seattle announcer re Prior's radar gun results
Paraphrased:

"You can close the book on Prior, who was hitting 83, 84 maybe 85 miles per hour"

RICK SCHWAB!

by ExNorthsider on Mar 5, 2007 2:46 PM CST reply actions  

Yikes
Announcers just said Prior was topping out at 83-84 mph.

by SuperContext on Mar 5, 2007 2:46 PM CST reply actions  

If he's topping out at 83 or 84.......
then its over for Prior.
RAMIREZ!! PRIOR!!

by PriorandAramisfan23 on Mar 5, 2007 2:48 PM CST up reply actions  

83-84?
sigh =(

this hurts

LOUD NOISES!!!

by NittanyCub on Mar 5, 2007 2:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Something tells me
Ben Howard isn' coming north

by madtown on Mar 5, 2007 2:46 PM CST reply actions  

We can't score,
or pitch in key moments.

Today's starters were 25-man roster guys, folks.

Cardinals make me see Red!

by TheEman on Mar 5, 2007 2:47 PM CST reply actions  

re: We can't score,
Well, not necessarily. Prior has not been guaranteed a spot in the rotation. And I don't believe Howard is either.
I didn't have the ball, bitch!

by daver on Mar 5, 2007 2:49 PM CST up reply actions  

well, there's alot of starters that aren't playing
soriano, lee, ramirez, izturis, and jones

god, i still cant believe prior was topping at 84

LOUD NOISES!!!

by NittanyCub on Mar 5, 2007 2:51 PM CST up reply actions  

If......
he is throwing only 83-84 mph, why put him out there?  IMHO, the lack of velocity is either due to something being structurally wrong with his shoulder or his delivery is off.  Either way, why not make sure before sending him out.  It would be one thing to get teed up if you are throwing 90+ and are working on hitting your spots.  This makes no sense to me.......
It is good to be home again!!!!!!

by timeforachange on Mar 5, 2007 2:49 PM CST reply actions  

re: If......
Excellent question. Maybe they thought he'd ramp it up for the game. Guess not...
I didn't have the ball, bitch!

by daver on Mar 5, 2007 2:50 PM CST up reply actions  

who knows if the gun is right?
he wasn't sharp, but there's no reason to think "topping out" means topping out. i'm not worried much about velocity (not yet anyway).
Come on over to my house mama, ain't nobody home but me.

by buckmulligan on Mar 5, 2007 2:51 PM CST up reply actions  

What probably makes the most sense is that......
his shoulder is for lack of a better word and sorry for the language......fucked. Losing 10 MPH on a fastball I wouldn't attribute to delivery problems.
RAMIREZ!! PRIOR!!

by PriorandAramisfan23 on Mar 5, 2007 2:51 PM CST up reply actions  

The reason...
I said delivery problems is because I read last year he changed his delivery and release point due to shoulder irritation.  I am not a pitcher (although I play one in whiffle ball) but I would think that if he is not letting it go freely, he may be changing his motion costing him velocity.
It is good to be home again!!!!!!

by timeforachange on Mar 5, 2007 2:54 PM CST up reply actions  

If it was 2 or 3 MPH.......
I'd agree with you and last year that was pretty much where he was throwing. 10 though.......I think he might have a torn labrum since there's only a handful of injuries that would rob a pitcher of 10 MPH.
RAMIREZ!! PRIOR!!

by PriorandAramisfan23 on Mar 5, 2007 2:57 PM CST up reply actions  

i agree
something's been wrong with him for a couple years now.
when he came up, he threw consistently around 96-97 (according to the wrigley gun).
then, post injuries, he never came close to that again. his ceiling was more in the 91-92 range. which meant he threw a lot of stuff in the 86-87 range.

he's just not the kind of pitcher that can get away with that. his fast ball doesn't move much, it doesn't sink...his curveball isn't good enough to throw on it's own.

he was always a hard fastball thrower, whose off-speed stuff was only effective coming off the fastball.

i guess it's possible this is just spring training tightness. but this isn't just an isolated incident. it's an ongoing trend.

by billywan on Mar 5, 2007 2:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Even last year
When I saw his AA rehab start, he started the game at 87-89 and ended around 91-92. At the time I said he didn't look like he was throwing free and easy, and he looked uncomfortable. If, after resting this offseason and presumably doing all his throwing starting in January, the best he could do is 83-85 with poor control, I'm going to have to say in my opinion there is something seriously wrong with his arm. I'm not a doctor, not a coach either, but to me if he was taking a bit off to get it over his control would have been better. No velocity and no control combined really throw up some red flags.

by Bill M on Mar 5, 2007 3:39 PM CST up reply actions  

3rd inning
tomas perez ball one .. now strike two
Peter S.

by HerrProf on Mar 5, 2007 2:52 PM CST reply actions  

yuck
it just seems like we are always so overmatched on both sides of the field.
Come on over to my house mama, ain't nobody home but me.

by buckmulligan on Mar 5, 2007 2:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Why is it...
That, A: the opposition tees off on us, especially the non-rosters

and B., we can't hit either starters or non-rosters from the other teams?

Is anyone concerned here?

Cardinals make me see Red!

by TheEman on Mar 5, 2007 2:54 PM CST reply actions  

Kind of.
First of all, it's only the third inning today. Second of all, four of our better hitters (Soriano, Lee, Ramirez, Jones) aren't playing today.

If this sort of thing is still going on a week from now, I'll be worried. Otherwise I think I'll give it at least a second time around the rotation.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Mar 5, 2007 2:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Not concerned.....
Yet.

Curious:  How long does it take to erase the bad karma/ habits left from the previous manager?  Many of the same suspects are back.  Personally, I think it is going to take a little while for Lou to change the attitude of this team.

It is good to be home again!!!!!!

by timeforachange on Mar 5, 2007 2:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Or perhaps..
The influence of the manager is overrated and these are the type of plyers the GM gets..
Well, sometimes nothin is a real cool hand.

by wicubfan on Mar 5, 2007 5:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Ding,Ding,Ding.......
we have a winner. Although a manager isn't without his fair share of blame.
RAMIREZ!! PRIOR!!

by PriorandAramisfan23 on Mar 5, 2007 5:32 PM CST up reply actions  

re: Why is it...
I'm definitely bummed about Prior, but I'm not hitting the panic button yet either. It's still early in the spring and a lot of the damage we're incurring is coming off of lower-level pitchers such as Ben Howard.
I didn't have the ball, bitch!

by daver on Mar 5, 2007 2:59 PM CST up reply actions  

i'm ready for pinella to go apeshit
Come on over to my house mama, ain't nobody home but me.

by buckmulligan on Mar 5, 2007 2:55 PM CST reply actions  

i'm ready for pinella to go apeshit
Come on over to my house mama, ain't nobody home but me.

by buckmulligan on Mar 5, 2007 2:55 PM CST reply actions  

You really must be ready for that.
You wrote it twice! :)
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Mar 5, 2007 2:57 PM CST up reply actions  

This is starting
to get depressing.
Adam Haluska...#1 scorer in the Big Ten this season.

by sue369 on Mar 5, 2007 2:56 PM CST reply actions  

Are you ready
for Pinella to go apeshit?
Cardinals make me see Red!

by TheEman on Mar 5, 2007 2:57 PM CST reply actions  

line drive to beltre
murton is down, 2 outs
Peter S.

by HerrProf on Mar 5, 2007 2:57 PM CST reply actions  

3-1 to daryl
gapper! pie scores!
Peter S.

by HerrProf on Mar 5, 2007 2:59 PM CST reply actions  

1st and 2nd
m. barrett up to bat w/ two outs
Peter S.

by HerrProf on Mar 5, 2007 3:00 PM CST reply actions  

DWard
Nice clutch hit.
I didn't have the ball, bitch!

by daver on Mar 5, 2007 3:00 PM CST reply actions  

fo
end of inning 4-1 mariners
Peter S.

by HerrProf on Mar 5, 2007 3:00 PM CST reply actions  

LMAO
n/t
"Chicago Cubs fans are ninety percent scar tissue." George F. Will

by JimmyJ31 on Mar 5, 2007 3:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Lilly In
Let's go Prez!!!
I didn't have the ball, bitch!

by daver on Mar 5, 2007 3:03 PM CST reply actions  

no speed said yet
these like to talk about promotions and other topics instead of the game... :(
Peter S.

by HerrProf on Mar 5, 2007 3:07 PM CST up reply actions  

you just repeated his question
when he said "gun" he wasn't talking smith and wesson.
Baby, you got a stew goin'

by Thelonious on Mar 5, 2007 3:24 PM CST up reply actions  

This is NOT the Bears
During the Bears summer camp, and exhibition games, there was worry about Grossman. But, the team made the PLAYOFFS the year before.

Those fears, to a point, were dispelled when the team went 14-2 or whatever.

This is NOT the Bears, and based on the TRACK RECORD, I do NOT like what is happening, regardless if it "ST" or not.

I guess Lou doesn't either.

Heads should roll.

Cardinals make me see Red!

by TheEman on Mar 5, 2007 3:06 PM CST reply actions  

Yeah,
let's say I'm a bit frustrated. Well, a LOT frustrated.
Cardinals make me see Red!

by TheEman on Mar 5, 2007 3:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Deep breath....
It is going to take Lou some time to change the culture/ atmosphere of losing with this club.

I believe he will change it for the better (it can only get better, right?) and this team will be competitive.

Jim Hendry allowing Dusty to continue as manager last year delayed the healing process.  It will get better.  It has to.

It is good to be home again!!!!!!

by timeforachange on Mar 5, 2007 3:10 PM CST up reply actions  

dude
what is the problem?  what are you concerned with specifically?  our regulars are doing fine, soriano had a hell of a game yesterday, murton had a hell of a game friday, zambrano was lights out, no one was counting on prior, and we sure werent expecting cy young to step out there in his first spring game in 3 years, why all the pessism?
DON'T TRADE PIE!

by kylejo on Mar 5, 2007 3:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Now that's more like it...
Good job, Lilly. Sounds like Orange Guy made a nice grab, too.
I didn't have the ball, bitch!

by daver on Mar 5, 2007 3:07 PM CST reply actions  

YES!
Stepped away from my desk and come back to this. Nice. Maybe I should step away more often...
I didn't have the ball, bitch!

by daver on Mar 5, 2007 3:11 PM CST reply actions  

Save your "mojo" moves...
for the regular season. PLEASE don't use them up yet.

Try to work on the best ones in the office: men's room visits, kitchen, parking lot, vending machine, collegial visit, etc.

Cardinals make me see Red!

by TheEman on Mar 5, 2007 3:14 PM CST up reply actions  

re: Save your "mojo" moves...
My company doesn't allow conjugal visits until we hit the ten-year service mark.

Oh, wait...you said collegial visits.

Nevermind.

I didn't have the ball, bitch!

by daver on Mar 5, 2007 3:19 PM CST up reply actions  

conjugal visits?
is your company called San Quentin?
Baby, you got a stew goin'

by Thelonious on Mar 5, 2007 3:26 PM CST up reply actions  

re: conjugal visits?
Nah, I'm stuck in Folsom Prison, and time keeps dragging on...
I didn't have the ball, bitch!

by daver on Mar 5, 2007 3:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Kincade
Two-run homer.

4-3 Mariners

"Harlem Furniture......You'll like our style!"

by Imtrejo on Mar 5, 2007 3:12 PM CST reply actions  

almost got out
lf line foul ball
Peter S.

by HerrProf on Mar 5, 2007 3:12 PM CST reply actions  

Just don't get hurt
My expectations are frightfully low for these guys.  If these guys don't humiliate themselves and don't get hurt, it will be a victory of sorts.

by DaveinHouston on Mar 5, 2007 3:12 PM CST reply actions  

fo at 2nd
end of inning .. 4-3 mariners
Peter S.

by HerrProf on Mar 5, 2007 3:14 PM CST reply actions  

Pie
Did anyone else notice the size of Pie's head in gameday?  He's huge :)

by CyberCyclist on Mar 5, 2007 3:15 PM CST reply actions  

wonder
how much bigger that makes the bobblehead?
Peter S.

by HerrProf on Mar 5, 2007 3:16 PM CST up reply actions  

did anyone see what prior was throwing
was he switching it up or just throwing one pitch?

by buckmulligan on Mar 5, 2007 3:19 PM CST reply actions  

1-2-3 (ish)
Lilly looking good
Peter S.

by HerrProf on Mar 5, 2007 3:20 PM CST reply actions  

about Prior
I thought we all weren't going to expect ANYTHING out of this guy, yet all I see, mostly, is panic? The guy's had nothing but red flags re his shoulder so we shouldn't expect him to throw anywhere near the mid 90's anymore, which is pretty much useless if he doesn't have Maddux-like movement or anything else. We should just forget about him. The season doesn't depend on Prior.

by cashcowsquirtingsourmilk on Mar 5, 2007 3:20 PM CST reply actions  

granted
but there was a lot of talk from the camp about him looking good, etc. plus, the guy was at one time one of the most exciting pitchers i have ever seen. so, it is hard not to long for him to do it again. if he doesn't make the team, we'll still have a shot at being competitive or at least being around .500. but i'd like to see the kid do well.

by buckmulligan on Mar 5, 2007 3:23 PM CST up reply actions  

the only talk around camp
was that he was pitching without pain. there was no mention of velocity. If he can't throw the fastball past 90 mph anymore he's not much use, is he.

by cashcowsquirtingsourmilk on Mar 5, 2007 3:30 PM CST up reply actions  

This is what pisses me off........
for all the money Hendry spent he still didn't assemble a good enough pitching staff to win......spending all that money merely to compete is half assed.
RAMIREZ!! PRIOR!!

by PriorandAramisfan23 on Mar 5, 2007 3:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Stealing from Al....
LONG SUSTAINED APPLAUSE.......
It is good to be home again!!!!!!

by timeforachange on Mar 5, 2007 3:35 PM CST up reply actions  

well, the team was terrible
it took this much money to get them to average. now, i think they overspent a bit, but it's not my money. and i'm not especially concerned with mortgaging the future. what future? this team hangs out in the gutter.

by buckmulligan on Mar 5, 2007 3:47 PM CST up reply actions  

I beg to differ.....
IMHO the Cubs have a razor thin margin for error.  They should (and will be) better than last year BUT they still are a mediocre club.  If Prior is healthy, he makes life a hell of a lot easier.  People forget that he was solid in 2005.  If he could throw up those numbers, it takes a tremendous amount of pressure off the rest of the staff.

I am not saying this team can't win, but without prior I think it will be much more difficult.

It is good to be home again!!!!!!

by timeforachange on Mar 5, 2007 3:26 PM CST up reply actions  

i don't expect them to win
i expect them to be around .500. but, if they get going well, they might be able to push it to 10 games above and have a shot at the division. i'd take prior from 2005.

by buckmulligan on Mar 5, 2007 3:29 PM CST up reply actions  

A healthy Prior.....
IMHO, pushes them from a so so team to a decent team.

Without him, I think the Cubs will be no better than a .500 club.

It is good to be home again!!!!!!

by timeforachange on Mar 5, 2007 3:31 PM CST up reply actions  

but what is healthy?
i consider him healthy now. i think the team considers him to be healthy as well. i think he needs some work, but i don't think he needs to rest or have surgery.

by buckmulligan on Mar 5, 2007 3:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Personally,,,,,
I don't trust this medical staff.  I have believed for sometime now that there is something structurally wrong with his shoulder.  IMHO, nothing about his performance over the past two seasons scream healthy.

The man is either weak (which I do not believe) or something is wrong physically.

It is good to be home again!!!!!!

by timeforachange on Mar 5, 2007 3:35 PM CST up reply actions  

If he's throwing the fastball.....
at 83-85 MPH......he's not healthy.
RAMIREZ!! PRIOR!!

by PriorandAramisfan23 on Mar 5, 2007 3:35 PM CST up reply actions  

couldn't be that his mechanics are a bit off?
that he has to work. he worked to get there in the first place. whether he can work his way back i don't know. but i don't think he is unhealthy (at least compared to an average ml pitcher) and they're still trotting him out there.

by buckmulligan on Mar 5, 2007 3:41 PM CST up reply actions  

not at all
a 12 mph drop in velocity is NOT mechanical. His labrum is probably torn, which is pretty much the worst injury possible.

The consensus around other sectors of cubdom is that prior is done--this is how I feel, and I've felt this way since last year.

There is something very wrong with his shoulder.

Baby, you got a stew goin'

by Thelonious on Mar 5, 2007 3:45 PM CST up reply actions  

and
i don't think it's necessarily fair to put his average velocity at 97. i would at least give it a range, say 93-97, which makes the drop (from the reports we've been given): 8-14 mph. not good obviously, but not entirely dire.

by buckmulligan on Mar 5, 2007 3:56 PM CST up reply actions  

it's dire in my world
I'm going by his 2003 average velocity, which was 95 mph. His velocity is averaging 11 and 12 mph slower in this game. Anything above 4-5 mph is something to worry about.

I'm not really that upset right now, because I accepted the fact that Prior is done months ago.

Baby, you got a stew goin'

by Thelonious on Mar 5, 2007 4:00 PM CST up reply actions  

well
i certainly don't expect him ever to be what he was in 03.

by buckmulligan on Mar 5, 2007 4:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Like I said to someone else......
if it was a couple of MPH off of where he throws when he's healthy then yes I believe an argument could be made that his mechanics might be off, but not 10 MPH. That's just too much velocity lost to be something as arbitrary as flawed mechanics. No control + 10 MPH lost=something torn in his shoulder in my book. Probably a labrum.
RAMIREZ!! PRIOR!!

by PriorandAramisfan23 on Mar 5, 2007 3:46 PM CST up reply actions  

so,
you're ready to use the second-hand reports we've received from the away announcers about his velocity today taken from a spread of what 18 pitches to back this up or to finalize your conclusions? i need more info before i diagnosis a torn labrum.

by buckmulligan on Mar 5, 2007 3:50 PM CST up reply actions  

no
We're going on all of last season, myriad reports, shoulder problems in the past, the revelation that his shoulder is "loose", steve stone's expertise, baseball history, AND this start (give me a minute, and I can come up with about 10 more reasons)

If you're still struggling to accept the reality of this situation, then I can't help you.

Baby, you got a stew goin'

by Thelonious on Mar 5, 2007 3:54 PM CST up reply actions  

i'm not struggling at all.
but i'll take a prior at around 90 mph--with location. the location to me is a bigger issue. so, basically you're saying the kid can never be healthy again. i'm less certain.

by buckmulligan on Mar 5, 2007 3:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Not nnecessarily
but I am saying that he won't be healthy in the near future. The labrum tear seems pretty likely, and those are a bastard to heal. Many pitchers never come back from it. I think it is safe to say that 2003 prior is gone forever, but I wouldn't be shocked if he came back in a year or three to be sporadically effective.
Baby, you got a stew goin'

by Thelonious on Mar 5, 2007 4:06 PM CST up reply actions  

When he.......
hits 90 and exhibits some control please let us know.....
It is good to be home again!!!!!!

by timeforachange on Mar 5, 2007 4:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Even if he hits 90 and has control......
it won't mean much......Prior's a guy who lives and dies with that 95+ MPH fastball w/ late break.
RAMIREZ!! PRIOR!!

by PriorandAramisfan23 on Mar 5, 2007 4:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Yea,
I am. What reason do they have to mislead us? It wouldn't have mattered if he threw 10 pitches the fact remains that he had no control and no velocity on his pitches. Just look at Wood, he's out there throwing 95-97 from what I've heard so if there's some thought about Prior taking it easy or being rusty.....well......Wood's just as rusty as Prior.

I like Mark Prior, I want him to come back and be an ace again for this team and I'd love for nothing more than for him put all the injuries behind him and lead this team to greatness......but if he's throwing that softly, you should be concerned. Make no mistake, this is bad.

RAMIREZ!! PRIOR!!

by PriorandAramisfan23 on Mar 5, 2007 4:01 PM CST up reply actions  

it's not that they are trying to mislead
it's that you can't just simply trust the accuracy of the reports. where did you hear that wood was throwing 97?

by buckmulligan on Mar 5, 2007 4:04 PM CST up reply actions  

In the game thread over at......
NSBB.
RAMIREZ!! PRIOR!!

by PriorandAramisfan23 on Mar 5, 2007 4:06 PM CST up reply actions  

A presidential outing...
From Lilly. Thanks to some good D, of course. I'll take it.
I didn't have the ball, bitch!

by daver on Mar 5, 2007 3:20 PM CST reply actions  

I think no one expects
lilly to be a so pitcher. I just worry about him on those days where its blowing out. He will have to keep the ball in the infield and ill be happy.
Peter S.

by HerrProf on Mar 5, 2007 3:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Sweet...
Soriano+ DLee + Ramirez = 1 Damn Good Meat of the Lineup AND Zambrano + LILLY = Playoff Bound Cubbies!!!

by LilLPLancer23 on Mar 5, 2007 3:23 PM CST reply actions  

murton walks
reistma gives it up
Peter S.

by HerrProf on Mar 5, 2007 3:24 PM CST reply actions  

re: murton walks
Man, so far Orange Guy is delivering as promised. Clutch hits. Lengthy at-bats. Walks. Love this guy.
I didn't have the ball, bitch!

by daver on Mar 5, 2007 3:26 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah,
murton is very good when he is patient. for a time last year, he lost that. stay patient murt.

by buckmulligan on Mar 5, 2007 3:27 PM CST up reply actions  

hmmm.
i wish they would have brought prior in mid-game, rather than letting him start.

by buckmulligan on Mar 5, 2007 3:25 PM CST reply actions  

they said
he needed longer to warm-up, whatever that means.

by madtown on Mar 5, 2007 3:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Why?
He got a raise and "Feels Good".

Gotta see who can be counted on.

Cardinals make me see Red!

by TheEman on Mar 5, 2007 3:32 PM CST up reply actions  

why?
something to do with towels, is my guess

by madtown on Mar 5, 2007 3:33 PM CST up reply actions  

It's exciting...
Just reading these game updates at work. Too bad gameday is terrible today.

by vegascubsfan on Mar 5, 2007 3:29 PM CST reply actions  

eww double play
5-2-3 dp to end the inning
Peter S.

by HerrProf on Mar 5, 2007 3:30 PM CST reply actions  

Sigh...
Classic Ronnie.
I didn't have the ball, bitch!

by daver on Mar 5, 2007 3:30 PM CST reply actions  

Ronnie looks
about 15 in that gameday headshot.  
MURTON!! Just trying to help his karma so he gets 500+ ABs.

by 26.2cubfan on Mar 5, 2007 3:31 PM CST reply actions  

here comes wood!
lets go.. ground out to cedeno on one pitchs

91mph

Peter S.

by HerrProf on Mar 5, 2007 3:33 PM CST reply actions  

is it just me,
or does he look like a pure badass on his gameday photo? ice runs through this mans veins
LOUD NOISES!!!

by NittanyCub on Mar 5, 2007 3:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Can you say...
IOWA

I wish Theriot was available.

Cardinals make me see Red!

by TheEman on Mar 5, 2007 3:33 PM CST reply actions  

Hey!
Woody's got some heat.
I survived VWR 2007

by akcubfan on Mar 5, 2007 3:33 PM CST reply actions  

struck him out
guillen didn't even see it
Peter S.

by HerrProf on Mar 5, 2007 3:35 PM CST reply actions  

high popup
to 1st base 1-2-3
Peter S.

by HerrProf on Mar 5, 2007 3:36 PM CST reply actions  

YES
Way to go Woodsy!!!
I didn't have the ball, bitch!

by daver on Mar 5, 2007 3:37 PM CST reply actions  

walks the leadoff
on 4 pitches. what a putz
Peter S.

by HerrProf on Mar 5, 2007 3:40 PM CST reply actions  

nice bunt!
kincade to 2nd
Peter S.

by HerrProf on Mar 5, 2007 3:41 PM CST reply actions  

re: We are tied 4-4
That's Pie's third hit of the day. He's having a good game.
I didn't have the ball, bitch!

by daver on Mar 5, 2007 3:45 PM CST up reply actions  

3rd hit for Pie

by cashcowsquirtingsourmilk on Mar 5, 2007 3:44 PM CST reply actions  

he
is killin this game

by Kchance on Mar 5, 2007 3:45 PM CST reply actions  

Uh...
OK, I think it's safe to say we're all on the same page about Pie's performance today.
I didn't have the ball, bitch!

by daver on Mar 5, 2007 3:45 PM CST reply actions  

Pie...
Having a nice game at the plate

by FullyKraeusened on Mar 5, 2007 3:46 PM CST reply actions  

3-1 for the pagan
putz has poor location
Peter S.

by HerrProf on Mar 5, 2007 3:46 PM CST reply actions  

ummmm
what inning are we in?
Soriano+ DLee + Ramirez = 1 Damn Good Meat of the Lineup AND Zambrano + LILLY = Playoff Bound Cubbies!!!

by LilLPLancer23 on Mar 5, 2007 3:48 PM CST reply actions  

Not only that...
But right now Wood is the pitcher of record
Why do I care so much about a kid's game?

by audiospeedwagon on Mar 5, 2007 3:49 PM CST up reply actions  

woudlnt
wouldnt it suck if this guy was lien about everythin and we lost like 20 -3.. i would find u herrprof lol

by Kchance on Mar 5, 2007 3:51 PM CST reply actions  

Wood Out/Cotts In
I didn't have the ball, bitch!

by daver on Mar 5, 2007 3:53 PM CST reply actions  

in field hit
derosa couldnt get there quick enough
Peter S.

by HerrProf on Mar 5, 2007 3:53 PM CST reply actions  

fo out at 2nd
cedeno misplayed that one i think
Peter S.

by HerrProf on Mar 5, 2007 3:55 PM CST reply actions  

Phew...
Well, it sounds like Cotts showed a little better command than he did the first time he pitched. I'm just glad Cedeno and DeRosa were able to salvage those outs.
I didn't have the ball, bitch!

by daver on Mar 5, 2007 4:00 PM CST reply actions  

It sounded like
cedeno mightve had a chance a double play..

at least he didnt toss it in the dugout.

ps: why are there so many cellphones at this game?

Peter S.

by HerrProf on Mar 5, 2007 4:01 PM CST up reply actions  

re: It sounded like
Yeah, I'm hearing a lot of cell phones and a lot of other weird noises on Gameday Audio. I keep hearing what's either a baby crying or some sort of shrieking gremlin. I also hear a lot of Mariners fans even though the Seattle announcers keep whining about how many Cubs fans are there.
I didn't have the ball, bitch!

by daver on Mar 5, 2007 4:04 PM CST up reply actions  

cmon mike bear
stand up double for the leadoff
Peter S.

by HerrProf on Mar 5, 2007 4:02 PM CST reply actions  

stupid interview
not telling us whats going on
Peter S.

by HerrProf on Mar 5, 2007 4:03 PM CST reply actions  

TheBeerBaron's Mark Prior worried meter is
at about a 6 out of 10.....83-85 MPH? I need a confirmation on that.
Ladies and Gentlemen....Mark William Prior is BACK!!!! Yes, I am drinking the Kool-Aid!!!!

by TheBeerBaron on Mar 5, 2007 4:03 PM CST reply actions  

ah, beerbaron, you amuse me
You've had your heart broken so many times this year. It seems that you have a knack for developing star cross'd mancrushes.
Baby, you got a stew goin'

by Thelonious on Mar 5, 2007 4:11 PM CST up reply actions  

I know.....
Hey, at least I accurately predicted that Mark DeRosa would join the CUBS!! I have that going for me ;)

I am still going to be at least semi-optimistic regarding Prior. At least he made his 2nd Cactus League start in 4 years!

Ladies and Gentlemen....Mark William Prior is BACK!!!! Yes, I am drinking the Kool-Aid!!!!

by TheBeerBaron on Mar 5, 2007 4:20 PM CST up reply actions  

That's so bad.
What's going on with him?  That's a lot of velocity gone.

Oh, Prior. You make me worry so much.

"I don't talk. I just let what I do talk for myself." -Johan Santana

by sparkles721 on Mar 5, 2007 4:14 PM CST up reply actions  

oh sparkles
mark can't hear you over the sound of his shoulder tearing and his arm falling off.
Baby, you got a stew goin'

by Thelonious on Mar 5, 2007 4:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Or maybe he can't hear me...
because I'm crying my eyes out because of him.

I'm really scared now. Stop saying that stuff about tears. I'm sure I will get to hear enough of it at some point.

Oh this sucks.

"I don't talk. I just let what I do talk for myself." -Johan Santana

by sparkles721 on Mar 5, 2007 4:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Don't cry.......
we all should have seen this coming a mile away.
RAMIREZ!! PRIOR!!

by PriorandAramisfan23 on Mar 5, 2007 4:35 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm only crying...
on the inside.

I totally didn't see him losing that much velocity.    I thought he would have a fastball in the 90s.  I really did.

It's so sad.  I'm so blind.

"I don't talk. I just let what I do talk for myself." -Johan Santana

by sparkles721 on Mar 5, 2007 4:39 PM CST up reply actions  

If its any consolation......
I'm probably just as dissapointed as you are.
RAMIREZ!! PRIOR!!

by PriorandAramisfan23 on Mar 5, 2007 4:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Me too
Sparkles, me too.
Adam Haluska...#1 scorer in the Big Ten this season.

by sue369 on Mar 5, 2007 4:43 PM CST up reply actions  

and I need a hug
and possibly rocked in a chair.
Baby, you got a stew goin'

by Thelonious on Mar 5, 2007 4:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Me too.
But instead my dad just walks away after I tell him Prior's problem.
"I don't talk. I just let what I do talk for myself." -Johan Santana

by sparkles721 on Mar 5, 2007 4:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Latest on prior
according to espn...

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/spring2007/news/story?id=2788793

"Prior was scheduled to go two innings but left after 40 pitches -- 16 of which were chest-high or higher."

hmm...

by madtown on Mar 5, 2007 4:04 PM CST reply actions  

derosa basehit to rf
cubs on the corners.. e paterson in for barett
Peter S.

by HerrProf on Mar 5, 2007 4:04 PM CST reply actions  

note to seattle
dont let the play by play guy do the interview

wtf is happening?

Peter S.

by HerrProf on Mar 5, 2007 4:06 PM CST reply actions  

re: note to seattle
I know, this is ridiculous! You can hear stuff happening but they keep babbling on and on...
I didn't have the ball, bitch!

by daver on Mar 5, 2007 4:07 PM CST up reply actions  

cheers
kincaid soft liner

6-4

Peter S.

by HerrProf on Mar 5, 2007 4:07 PM CST reply actions  

Yes
i turn into XM 178 and he says Cubs extend lead to 6-4!
Soriano+ DLee + Ramirez = 1 Damn Good Meat of the Lineup AND Zambrano + LILLY = Playoff Bound Cubbies!!!

by LilLPLancer23 on Mar 5, 2007 4:07 PM CST reply actions  

who are they interviewing?
Soriano+ DLee + Ramirez = 1 Damn Good Meat of the Lineup AND Zambrano + LILLY = Playoff Bound Cubbies!!!

by LilLPLancer23 on Mar 5, 2007 4:08 PM CST reply actions  

neal cotts still in
against ordonez.. one of the other ones
Peter S.

by HerrProf on Mar 5, 2007 4:12 PM CST reply actions  

I thought Ordonez was out of BB
I remember when the mets were really high on him, but that might've been steve phillips. and then he was a cub. sigh

by cashcowsquirtingsourmilk on Mar 5, 2007 4:18 PM CST up reply actions  

double on an error
pie lost it in the sun..

actually its a triple.

Peter S.

by HerrProf on Mar 5, 2007 4:13 PM CST reply actions  

great play by kincade!
diving catch over the shoulder for first out along the line.
Peter S.

by HerrProf on Mar 5, 2007 4:14 PM CST reply actions  

If Cotts can get outta this...
...it'll show a lot.

Sounds like Kinkade just made a great catch.

I didn't have the ball, bitch!

by daver on Mar 5, 2007 4:15 PM CST reply actions  

aww
he didnt get it..
Peter S.

by HerrProf on Mar 5, 2007 4:15 PM CST reply actions  

dam it
did they score?
Soriano+ DLee + Ramirez = 1 Damn Good Meat of the Lineup AND Zambrano + LILLY = Playoff Bound Cubbies!!!

by LilLPLancer23 on Mar 5, 2007 4:16 PM CST reply actions  

Prior is the story
no matter what the final score or how Wood does, this guy just seems to be a tragic case of not fulfilling that great promise of a few years back...has he had arm surgery or not?? i've lost track of all his ailments...can't fault Cubs for sending him out there today tho if all reports signaled "healthy.''

Dustbag's use of him in past was questionable they had to ride him pretty hard through the '03 playoffs...tho that one laugher where they had the big lead, he clearly shoulda been pulled sooner, that didn't wear and tear his arm as much as some other outings might have.

Of course we'll never know but hasn't it been intimated Prior disliked Baker??

by writerinwrigley on Mar 5, 2007 4:17 PM CST reply actions  

I would bank on the fact that Prior doesn't like..
Baker and at this point, I'm not sure that I can blame him too much.
RAMIREZ!! PRIOR!!

by PriorandAramisfan23 on Mar 5, 2007 4:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Prior's never had surgery
that we know of ;) but his problems may not only be dusty's fault, or prior's own fault, or high school or college, it could just be plain genetics or a combination of everything. hard to blame one thing.

by cashcowsquirtingsourmilk on Mar 5, 2007 4:21 PM CST up reply actions  

great,
now we gotta listen to seatle traffic updates?  thats rediculous...
Soriano+ DLee + Ramirez = 1 Damn Good Meat of the Lineup AND Zambrano + LILLY = Playoff Bound Cubbies!!!

by LilLPLancer23 on Mar 5, 2007 4:18 PM CST reply actions  

well...
the traffic is pretty ridiculous around seattle.

by cashcowsquirtingsourmilk on Mar 5, 2007 4:22 PM CST up reply actions  

fielders choice
out at 1st, runner up to 2nd. 2outs
Peter S.

by HerrProf on Mar 5, 2007 4:19 PM CST reply actions  

Will Lou bring on Dempster?
Or is that not necessary in spring training?
I didn't have the ball, bitch!

by daver on Mar 5, 2007 4:23 PM CST reply actions  

re: it's never necessary
LOL. "Necessary" isn't really the right word, but you know what I mean...
I didn't have the ball, bitch!

by daver on Mar 5, 2007 4:26 PM CST up reply actions  

lol i was gonna add 'smart'
but just got lazy.
on hiatus

by Faith plus 1 on Mar 5, 2007 4:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Will Lou bring on Dempster?
I don't think he has pitched yet in ST so he should bring him in.

by tucsoncubsfan on Mar 5, 2007 4:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah he did...
He did fine.

It's the 9th already?

"I don't talk. I just let what I do talk for myself." -Johan Santana

by sparkles721 on Mar 5, 2007 4:27 PM CST up reply actions  

here omes another interview
the umpire supervisor! fun!
Peter S.

by HerrProf on Mar 5, 2007 4:24 PM CST reply actions  

I'm not even listening...
...to the announcers and I'm annoyed with them.

by vegascubsfan on Mar 5, 2007 4:26 PM CST up reply actions  

omg, theese
guys suck, theyy cant even tell us whos hitting...
Soriano+ DLee + Ramirez = 1 Damn Good Meat of the Lineup AND Zambrano + LILLY = Playoff Bound Cubbies!!!

by LilLPLancer23 on Mar 5, 2007 4:25 PM CST reply actions  

omg, theese
guys suck, theyy cant even tell us whos hitting...
Soriano+ DLee + Ramirez = 1 Damn Good Meat of the Lineup AND Zambrano + LILLY = Playoff Bound Cubbies!!!

by LilLPLancer23 on Mar 5, 2007 4:26 PM CST reply actions  

this just in
ice cream is yummy
Peter S.

by HerrProf on Mar 5, 2007 4:26 PM CST reply actions  

what happened
with pie's at bat?
DON'T TRADE PIE!

by kylejo on Mar 5, 2007 4:28 PM CST up reply actions  

I dont know
its obviously not as important as subsection a 3 passage nine of the mlb rules.
Peter S.

by HerrProf on Mar 5, 2007 4:29 PM CST up reply actions  

re: what happened
Pie struck out. I think it's time for him to come out, but I don't know who would replace him.
I didn't have the ball, bitch!

by daver on Mar 5, 2007 4:31 PM CST up reply actions  

ice cream,
what is that?  can u please describe that for us?
Soriano+ DLee + Ramirez = 1 Damn Good Meat of the Lineup AND Zambrano + LILLY = Playoff Bound Cubbies!!!

by LilLPLancer23 on Mar 5, 2007 4:28 PM CST reply actions  

buck coats (murton)
has an infield hit

Im not sure cause he keeps switching the names

Peter S.

by HerrProf on Mar 5, 2007 4:28 PM CST reply actions  

re: buck coats (murton)
They established it was Buck Coats and then called him Matt Murton anyway.

Oh, Pat and Ron, where are you?!

I didn't have the ball, bitch!

by daver on Mar 5, 2007 4:30 PM CST up reply actions  

These announcers are morons...
THAT'S NOT MATT MURTON!!!
I didn't have the ball, bitch!

by daver on Mar 5, 2007 4:29 PM CST reply actions  

Step away
and come back to a 6-5 game. At least we are scoring some runs today.
Adam Haluska...#1 scorer in the Big Ten this season.

by sue369 on Mar 5, 2007 4:29 PM CST reply actions  

1-2 for ward
for those interested in baseball.
Peter S.

by HerrProf on Mar 5, 2007 4:30 PM CST reply actions  

damn!
ward robbed to retire the side

and they are asking the umpire super to stick around

Peter S.

by HerrProf on Mar 5, 2007 4:31 PM CST reply actions  

randy wells into pitch
one pitch one out on a hit to pagan.
Peter S.

by HerrProf on Mar 5, 2007 4:33 PM CST reply actions  

typing run 90 feet away
was talking to coworker and missed more
Peter S.

by HerrProf on Mar 5, 2007 4:35 PM CST reply actions  

re: typing run 90 feet away
I missed it, too. I was, uh, briefly indisposed.
I didn't have the ball, bitch!

by daver on Mar 5, 2007 4:36 PM CST up reply actions  

typing run 90 feet away
One or the other can be away but not at the same time.;)

by tucsoncubsfan on Mar 5, 2007 4:39 PM CST up reply actions  

"Typing run"
somehow, in this place, seems appropriate.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Mar 5, 2007 4:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Godamnit...
What happened?
I didn't have the ball, bitch!

by daver on Mar 5, 2007 4:39 PM CST reply actions  

3-2 pitch
ANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNND....

WAITING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

COME ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Peter S.

by HerrProf on Mar 5, 2007 4:39 PM CST reply actions  

im used to this from fox sports, but a radio play
pops up two out

did he say the bases where loaded?

Peter S.

by HerrProf on Mar 5, 2007 4:40 PM CST up reply actions  

re: im used to this from fox sports, but a radio p
Yes, he did say the bases were loaded. Rocky Cherry in.
I didn't have the ball, bitch!

by daver on Mar 5, 2007 4:42 PM CST up reply actions  

re: lou is going to get a pitcher
just win baby?
MURTON!! Just trying to help his karma so he gets 500+ ABs.

by 26.2cubfan on Mar 5, 2007 4:42 PM CST up reply actions  

rocky cherry to pitch
and the bases are loaded with two outs.
Peter S.

by HerrProf on Mar 5, 2007 4:42 PM CST reply actions  

good strategy lou
 
on hiatus

by Faith plus 1 on Mar 5, 2007 4:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Wow...
This is actually getting good. Problem is, I have to leave work in a few minutes! ARGH!!
I didn't have the ball, bitch!

by daver on Mar 5, 2007 4:43 PM CST reply actions  

wow
You don't need to leave work on time, you just need to get to work on time.

by tucsoncubsfan on Mar 5, 2007 4:44 PM CST up reply actions  

re: wow
Good point. But I gotta catch a train. Bummer. Well, I'll have to find out later tonight how things ended up. This would be a great time to bring on Demp, though, and see how he fares.

Too bad about Prior. I fear the worst.

Catch y'all tomorrow.

I didn't have the ball, bitch!

by daver on Mar 5, 2007 4:48 PM CST up reply actions  

strike 2
nice breaking ball.
Peter S.

by HerrProf on Mar 5, 2007 4:43 PM CST reply actions  

they were asking the umpire
if its harder to call a curve ball versus a regular pitch.
Peter S.

by HerrProf on Mar 5, 2007 4:46 PM CST up reply actions  

no
it was is it harder to call a curve ball or hit one...
Soriano+ DLee + Ramirez = 1 Damn Good Meat of the Lineup AND Zambrano + LILLY = Playoff Bound Cubbies!!!

by LilLPLancer23 on Mar 5, 2007 4:49 PM CST up reply actions  

sorry
I shoudlve payed the conversation more respect :/
Peter S.

by HerrProf on Mar 5, 2007 4:52 PM CST up reply actions  

gameday blows
 
on hiatus

by Faith plus 1 on Mar 5, 2007 4:45 PM CST reply actions  

Usually...
... it's OK during the season. I think it's being beta-tested for now, not updating as it will once the season actually starts.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Mar 5, 2007 4:49 PM CST up reply actions  

YES!
Well done, Rocky.
I didn't have the ball, bitch!

by daver on Mar 5, 2007 4:46 PM CST reply actions  

I actually like rocky cherry somewhat
and I would be all kinds of thrilled if someone with his name made the team.
Baby, you got a stew goin'

by Thelonious on Mar 5, 2007 4:47 PM CST reply actions  

He should...
... marry a girl whose last name is Garcia...
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Mar 5, 2007 4:49 PM CST up reply actions  

maybe
they can play some funky don cherry tune when he comes up to pitch?
Peter S.

by HerrProf on Mar 5, 2007 4:51 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd much rather...
he marry "Mary Poppins", so he could be Rocky Cherry-Poppins.
Baby, you got a stew goin'

by Thelonious on Mar 5, 2007 4:58 PM CST up reply actions  

They did it!
Prior and Wood both pitched without their arms falling off, Lilly looked good, and how about Felix Pie?

by Mapanator on Mar 5, 2007 4:49 PM CST reply actions  

Wood's performance
And to some extent Lilly's, tempered the disappointment of the great sucking sound that was Mark Prior today.  

Now lets see if Wood can go back-to-back....

by SuperContext on Mar 5, 2007 4:52 PM CST up reply actions  

who cares
he was AB, he's out.
on hiatus

by Faith plus 1 on Mar 5, 2007 4:51 PM CST up reply actions  

LOL!
How about this Cotts guy?!

He has shown absolutely ZERO.

Cardinals make me see Red!

by TheEman on Mar 5, 2007 4:52 PM CST reply actions  

cotts was decent
he only gave up that one run that shoudlve been an easy out right?
Peter S.

by HerrProf on Mar 5, 2007 4:53 PM CST up reply actions  

If the Cubs lose today
They'll be one of the only teams without a win. The Pirates are another. Not the company you want to keep.
"Hello again, everybody. Harry Caray from Wrigley Field on a beautiful day for baseball."

by danimal15 on Mar 5, 2007 4:53 PM CST reply actions  

3-2
pie catchs an almost homer at the track.
Peter S.

by HerrProf on Mar 5, 2007 4:54 PM CST up reply actions  

centerfield basehit
cherry looking a little rocky.
Peter S.

by HerrProf on Mar 5, 2007 4:55 PM CST reply actions  

Who would get the W? TV/radio cov'g??
More of these games should be on radio (free) or local Tv esp. today; espn had yankees-Tigers wonder if they'll pick up a cub spring game?

by writerinwrigley on Mar 5, 2007 4:57 PM CST reply actions  

wood
is in line for the win iirc
Peter S.

by HerrProf on Mar 5, 2007 4:58 PM CST up reply actions  

If Wood gets the win...
Someone should nail him with a shaving cream pie.
Why do I care so much about a kid's game?

by audiospeedwagon on Mar 5, 2007 4:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Did he?
If he did I will be happy.
"I don't talk. I just let what I do talk for myself." -Johan Santana

by sparkles721 on Mar 5, 2007 5:15 PM CST up reply actions  

He did get the win.
About the pie, I have no idea.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Mar 5, 2007 5:34 PM CST up reply actions  

the runner at first
almost got cherry-picked. ho ho ho

by cashcowsquirtingsourmilk on Mar 5, 2007 4:58 PM CST reply actions  

CUBS WIN
CHERRY WITH THE SAVE

Wood with the win.

Peter S.

by HerrProf on Mar 5, 2007 4:59 PM CST reply actions  

CUBS WIN
Thanks for the play by play HerrProf. Really appreciate it.

by tucsoncubsfan on Mar 5, 2007 5:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Hooray!
A win's a win. Glad they got the first one!
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Mar 5, 2007 5:00 PM CST reply actions  

Hooray......
What did you say about the new 30???????
It is good to be home again!!!!!!

by timeforachange on Mar 5, 2007 5:01 PM CST up reply actions  

YAY!!!!!
Very nice win for the Cubs.
Adam Haluska...#1 scorer in the Big Ten this season.

by sue369 on Mar 5, 2007 5:00 PM CST reply actions  

Given that depressing start, yes
Gotta keep reminding ourselves "We're not counting on Prior." Realistically, guess you've gotta hope that either one of these tragically, chronically injured pitchers can perform somewhat near their capabilities this year. Might be expecting too much for BOTH of them to pull through, but will await more word on Prior.

Pie sounded like he was on fire today at plate...good to hear he's the spark we may need not too far down the road (replacing JJones).

by writerinwrigley on Mar 5, 2007 5:07 PM CST reply actions  

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