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Yes, the Cubs lost again, to the Padres 4-3 in 14 innings today, and yet another pitching meltdown from Will Ohman was the cause (and I won't blame Jacque Jones for letting the ball get by him, because the run was going to score anyway on the hit).

But years from now -- maybe when Felix Pie is finishing up a stellar career, hopefully all in a Cubs uniform, what I'll remember, and what I hope you will remember, from this sunny, windy and chilly afternoon at Wrigley Field, is the throw he made to gun down Russell Branyan at the plate in the 10th inning, preserving the tie so the game could continue for another four eventually unsatisfying innings.

Pie's throw was accurate, strong, and just about perfect. I don't think this is being too hyperbolic to say that I haven't seen a throw like that, at least not at Wrigley Field, in many, many years. Maybe, among current players, Ichiro Suzuki or Vladimir Guerrero could make a throw like that and make it count.

But a Cub? And a rookie playing his first major league game? That's truly special. Yes, the Cubs lost, and yes, at times they looked pretty bad today (they had only two hits after the fifth inning, and after not striking out for the first 10 innings, they K'd 8 times in the last four), but I know I can tell people I was there when Pie made the first of what may be many great defensive plays.

And further, no matter what he does in his career, he can always say that he got his first major league hit -- a ringing double off the left-center field wall in the fifth inning -- off a Hall of Famer, Greg Maddux, the future of the Cubs facing one of the all-time greats who once graced our team.

Neither Maddux nor Cub starter Wade Miller was very good today, though Maddux managed to get through four decent innings before Pie and the Cubs roughed him up in the 5th to tie the game. Miller had nothing from the get-go and was lucky to leave the game with a no-decision. In the third inning, after he'd walked the bases loaded, Lou Piniella came out to talk to him -- with no one warming up in the bullpen. I can only imagine the expletives that were spoken -- but they worked, because after that Miller settled down, and the only reason he had to be lifted was that he had thrown an ugly total of 98 pitches (only a little more than half, 54, for strikes) in his five innings, and the highest reading I saw on the scoreboard for him was 89 MPH.

This is the reason I think it's a good thing that the Cubs sent Angel Guzman to Iowa -- Guzman can now start every fifth day and ought to be on the fast track to return to the Cubs as the replacement for Miller, who just doesn't seem to have much.

To be fair to Miller, he had thrown exactly once in the last 19 days, on April 8 in Milwaukee. His last outing before then was March 29, the last spring training game in Mesa. There's no way any starting pitcher can get any sort of rhythm going pitching that infrequently. I assume Miller will get at least two more chances, on regular rest, before any decision will be made.

A decision will have to be made about Pie sooner than that -- as of now, Alfonso Soriano's injury will have him out for about a week. After that, will Pie be sent back to Iowa? Or will there be movement elsewhere in the outfield, a trade, perhaps, leaving room for Pie in CF and Soriano in one of the corner spots? This all remains to be seen.

Kudos today to the Cub bullpen -- well, except Ohman, of course -- who kept the Padres scoreless for eleven innings, allowing in that time, eight hits and four walks. The Padres stranded seventeen baserunners in the 14 innings, and Pie's great throw wasn't the only good defensive play by the Cubs; in the sixth, Neal Cotts pounced on a bunt and threw out the lead runner at third; there was a nifty double play that followed. And in the 12th, Mark DeRosa, who had come into the game in one of Lou's double-switches, speared a line drive off the bat of Marcus Giles, saving the tie for yet again another Cub opportunity.

It would have been interesting had the club been able to tie the game in the last of the 14th, because Lou had pinch-run for Daryle Ward (who had popped a ball into CF that the wind blew in too far for Mike Cameron to catch) at second base with Jason Marquis. Marquis was the 22nd Cub to appear in today's game -- only starters Carlos Zambrano, Rich Hill and Ted Lilly didn't appear -- and had the Cubs tied the game, Marquis would likely have gone to the outfield, with either DeRosa or Ryan Theriot moving to first base.

It sprinkled for a short time at the beginning of the game, but then the sun reappeared, making it tolerably warm in the left field corner -- that is, until the sun dipped behind the corner of the upper deck. Jeff, Howard and I started migrating toward center field and the sun at that time, finally winding up near the concession stand with some of the other season ticket holders and regulars. Of the 36,021 who paid today, maybe 20,000-22,000 of them actually entered the ballpark and there couldn't have been more than 3,000 or so left when the game ended at 5:40 pm. Those in the shade looked horribly cold; the usual lower-deck migration toward the RF corner, where the sun shines late in the day, collected most of the remains of the crowd, as well as the very first row of the upper deck in right field, creating a funny scene -- one row filled in the sun, the rest of that side of the upper deck completely empty.

I met BCB reader TheBeerBaron and two of his friends today. I gave him the tickets outside the park and told him where to find me and to pay me inside. He didn't show up, so I figured he decided to sit elsewhere. About the sixth inning I spotted him sitting about six rows in front of us, so I called him. When he asked where I was, I said, "Turn around." We had a nice talk -- nice to meet you!

While this loss is horrendously frustrating, I wouldn't say by any means that it indicates anything except one more number added to the "L" column (speaking of which, I taught my daughter Rachel something today -- I had to pick her up at her tutor's after the game, and driving past the park, she asked who won. So I explained what the "L" flag on the scoreboard meant -- and even a 14-year-old teenage girl thought that was cool). The bullpen did an excellent job, except for Ohman, and I think the Cubs have to seriously think about doing something with him, because he's been absolutely awful all year. Jacque Jones seems fine in LF -- again, I do NOT blame him for the 14th-inning run, because that run would have scored anyway on Geoff Blum's hit (seems like that guy does nothing except get game-winning hits in the 14th inning), and Aramis Ramirez is clearly fine, hitting a triple in the first inning and playing good defense. So I'll settle for a split with a very good San Diego team; on to this little orphan two-game road trip, and then what may be a defining homestand with the Cardinals and Brewers.

And always remember, even if you just saw it on TV, or even followed it on Gameday, that you bore witness to the birth of what may be, what we hope will be, an excellent major league career. Chants of "Felix! Felix! Felix!" were heard today in the bleachers. It won't be the last time.

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We could hear
the chants on tv too. That was one great throw Felix had.

Tomorrow is a new day.

TheEman is jealous of my sigs.

by sue369 on Apr 17, 2007 7:43 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

That throw was amazing
I just watched from cubs.com, omg i can't wait to see this kid play.  Hopefully he will never go down to AAA again.  
Soriano+ DLee + Ramirez = 1 Damn Good Meat of the Lineup AND Zambrano + LILLY + Marquis + Hill = Playoff Bound Cubbies!!!

by LilLPLancer23 on Apr 17, 2007 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is there a cooler name in baseball than Felix Pie?
I can think of a few...

--CoCo Crisp
--Prince Fielder (The Prince)
--A.J. Pierzynski...JUST KIDDING!!

Dan

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on Apr 17, 2007 7:49 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Just waiting...
... for the time, as happened in spring training, for Rocky Cherry to make the club and Pie to bat for him, so the box score can again read:

Cherry, p
Pie, ph

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Apr 17, 2007 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I remember that comment from spring training...
...but it is still funny!  :)

Dan

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on Apr 17, 2007 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL
"High...pop fly...wouldn't be a home run in a phone booth!" -Harry Caray

by riggs on Apr 17, 2007 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

A.J.
Quire-jinski
Soriano+ DLee + Ramirez = 1 Damn Good Meat of the Lineup AND Zambrano + LILLY + Marquis + Hill = Playoff Bound Cubbies!!!

by LilLPLancer23 on Apr 17, 2007 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rocky Cherry
is right up there (okay, maybe not major leagues...yet...)
Go Nebraska Football!

by sanantonecub on Apr 17, 2007 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let me be the first to say
Felix Pie should marry Rocky Cherry's sister so her name would be firstname Cherry Pie.  I know it's not pronounced that way but it would look funny.
If your Dad buys part of the team do you get to shower with the players?

by kerrysotherwife on Apr 18, 2007 12:51 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pie
Looked solid today. As did THE RIOT!! - nice hustle on the stolen base. Overall the defense looked pretty good. Disappointing end, but a lot of positives. Remember folks, it's only April.
"High...pop fly...wouldn't be a home run in a phone booth!" -Harry Caray

by riggs on Apr 17, 2007 7:50 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Good recap, Al..
..and thank you for posting tonight.  I'd imagine that 14 innings can drain even the most prolific fan.

So does this end the Wade Miller experiment?  I know the Cubs haven't dumped a huge amount of money into him, but you have to think that he just simply cannot compete on the MLB level.  If he can only be counted on for 5 innings of 4 BB pitching then he will be giving up far more than 3ER most days.  

Onward to Atlanta.  I'll be there June 9th/10th.  

Chicks dig the long ball

by Will23 on Apr 17, 2007 7:57 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't think it is worthwhile to give up on him..
...quite yet.  As Al noted, the man has had NO amount of consistency in appearances in the past two months.  Give him a few more regular outings.  The experiment/project deserves it, I think.

Dan

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on Apr 17, 2007 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ohman the cause?
While I can't and won't dispute that Ohman hasn't been very good to start the year, I will argue the Cubs failure to score just one run in the last 9 innings of the ballgame contributed more to the loss than the 1 run Ohman allowed.
They played hard. They did their best. Move on. Their whole life isn't out in that field. It's their job. It's not an obsession.

by Jeff Pico on Apr 17, 2007 7:57 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The Padres
Their bullpen is that good.  If the hype they got before coming in didn't make you a believer, yesterday's game should.

by Kornchex on Apr 18, 2007 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jones will never survive
this splurge.and while I feel bad for him because he's the greatest man since Jackie Robinson, I wont miss him
"What's it all about? Booze, Broads and bullshit." Harry Caray

by lemon17pie on Apr 17, 2007 8:11 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Nice recap Al..
 would you ever consider adding game photos to them?

by Damen Jackson on Apr 17, 2007 8:13 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

What sort of photos?
If I ever bring my camera to games, which I sometimes do, I will post photos.

If there's anyone out there at the game who has photos and wants to email them to me to post, I'll be happy to, and give you credit.

What I won't do is post photos from other sites that are copyrighted. At SBNation we try to take other sites' copyrights seriously so they will respect ours.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Apr 17, 2007 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, no..
 I meant shots you personally take in-game. I suspect LF bleachers makes for some very nice action shots.

by Damen Jackson on Apr 17, 2007 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I may...
... bring my camera to games once it gets a bit warmer. Right now staying not-freezing is a priority.

But you're right, I could get some nice shots from LF. Will try to do this as the season goes along.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Apr 17, 2007 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Al, not sure you can post game photos...
without Bud's permission.  Actually, I don't think you can even recap the game!

Remember what Steve Stone said every telecast:

"Any rebroadcast, reproduction, or other use of  pictures, discriptions or accounts of this game without the express written consent of Major League Baseball is prohibited."

They played hard. They did their best. Move on. Their whole life isn't out in that field. It's their job. It's not an obsession.

by Jeff Pico on Apr 17, 2007 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Game recaps
That disclaimer, as was explained to me many years ago by an Atlanta Braves suit, should only apply to the broadcasts of WGN, Comcast or whomever is broadcasting the game. You can't take Len and BB's comments and use them word for word in your account. You can mention what they said, but you can't just lift their comments or any video. You also are not supposed to TiVo or tape games, nor keep them. That's copywrite infringement.

However, as a freelance writer, editor and photographer myself, I can go out to Wrigley, write my own account of the game, take my own photos (ballplayers, like politicians, are public figures so you do not need express written consent, trust me I know this fine line intimately) and post them online or in print form in my own publication. I just cannot steal from WGN, Comcast, etc. How do you think the Trib and Sun-Times can get away with their accounts?

Do people do it? Sure? How many of you have on VHS the first NOT night game at Wrigley and then the real first game?

by No Southern Belle on Apr 17, 2007 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not True
You also are not supposed to TiVo or tape games, nor keep them. That's copywrite infringement.

That's not true.  The Supreme Court ruled that time-shifting is legal in the early 80's.  You cannot however redistribute that recording in any form to a 3rd party.

by jolietconvict on Apr 17, 2007 11:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You can tape games
You can record games but you can't sell them.

You can record games keep them tear up the tape and make wallpaper with it but you can't sell them.

If your Dad buys part of the team do you get to shower with the players?

by kerrysotherwife on Apr 17, 2007 11:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hmmm...
"What I won't do is post photos from other sites that are copyrighted. At SBNation we try to take other sites' copyrights seriously so they will respect ours."

Well, that must mean there are thousands of sites out there with little respect.

"Because I saw this movie called 'Liar Liar' and the message was 'don't lie.' --Cal

by nextyearcub on Apr 18, 2007 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

OHMAN! BS
First off it is squarely on the "high powered" offense of the cubs and Jacque "strap" Jones
  1. 0 runs in nine innings is not acceptable with a good offense
  2. If Jacque had played the ball right of the bat and threw it in on one bounce he would have probably gotten the runner.
Actually writing this post I blame Piniella. Why the hell is Jacque in left field?
MILLER!

by roach on Apr 17, 2007 8:19 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Again...
... by the time Jones got to the ball the runner had already rounded third and was 1/3 of the way home. He'd have been safe easily.

Jones can handle left field. That inning was squarely Ohman's fault.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Apr 17, 2007 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry Al, but.....
I do not like Jones in left at all.

by No Southern Belle on Apr 17, 2007 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry
but I'm pretty sure you're one of those people who wouldn't like Jones if he batted 1.000, hitting a home run every time.
Just because I have a short attention span doesn't mean...

by eamuscatuli1881 on Apr 18, 2007 6:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Theriot
Should have caught the double to left field or at least been closer than he was. He is not a major league outfielder.
"Harlem Furniture......You'll like our style!"

by Imtrejo on Apr 17, 2007 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bingo
everyone who didn't notice this is blinded by their man-love for Theriot.  I don't care how windy it was, he looked ridiculous out there and has looked ridiculous out there all year.  
Just because I have a short attention span doesn't mean...

by eamuscatuli1881 on Apr 18, 2007 6:53 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

There are some here
There are some here that would bash Jones if he went 5 for 5 with 3 homeruns, made 3 diving catches, threw out 3 runners at the plate and saved children from a burning building on his way home if he struck out once they'd talk about the strikeout.
If your Dad buys part of the team do you get to shower with the players?

by kerrysotherwife on Apr 18, 2007 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And yet
There are some here who will bash him for the way he's playing now - because he deserves to be bashed.

When you have to switch sides in the outfield because your arm is a total joke, there's a problem.  When you take the position of someone who can actually produce offensively, there's a problem.

by Kornchex on Apr 18, 2007 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Come on Al...
Al - not sure what game you were watching, but the fault in the 14th inning lies with Theriot (and LouPa for putting him there).  Theriot blew the first play, which was one that would have been made by most, if not all, major league right fielders.

Ohman would have been out of that inning if it was not for Theriot.

by big_lowitzki on Apr 17, 2007 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's a good point.
I'd have put DeRosa in RF and left Theriot at 2B. At least DeRosa has a decent amount of ML experience in RF.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Apr 18, 2007 3:50 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ohman and the Double to RF
I wish Lou would have put DeRosa in RF and Theriot at 2B also.  But it makes you wonder if Theriot could have snagged that run saving line drive the way DeRosa did?

Also, the pitch that Greene pounded to RF for a double was actually a pretty good pitch by Ohman.  It was low and out of the strike zone.  Greene just got the bat head on it.  Just a bad break for Ohman there in my opinion.

There's always next year.

by BJ Simpson on Apr 18, 2007 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know, it's April
but I'm getting sick of watching losing baseball.  Especially when it almost takes 5 hours.  

by lilkimmer77 on Apr 17, 2007 8:34 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Well, I'd like to make a personal plea...
 I feel your pain. I do. I find the loss today (and most this season for that matter) more an issue with lack of production at the top of the lineup than Will Ohman. However, this team has been greatly overhauled. There are still some unanswered questions, a manager figuring out how to best use his players, and players in new roles that need time to get accustomed. Give them April before you worry. I really think they are going to be fine.

 Personally I think Ohman is officially in Lou's doghouse, but I don't see him going anywhere.

by Damen Jackson on Apr 17, 2007 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Forget the top of the lineup..
..because they will get their runs, especially when everyone is healthy and the weather warms up.  The problem is at the bottom of the lineup.  

Izturis, E-Ron, Barrett and Blanco need to contribute more offensively if this team is going to score runs more consistently.

Chicks dig the long ball

by Will23 on Apr 17, 2007 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

barrett is hitting the ball hard
i think he's fine, even very good.
I don't care about a world series, just be competitive thru September.

by buckmulligan on Apr 17, 2007 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pie>Jones
Pie seems like the real deal and actually looks like he has a clue what hes doing in center field compared to soriano.  So heres what i propose, let pie play center, murton/floyd in left and soriano in right, get rid of jones whatever way possible, i truly dont care if he puts up 25 homeruns or whatever because he does a lot more to hurt this team than help it, and i dont see him succeeding in this environment with the cubs because there are fans out there who will be on him no matter what he does.  As far as the lineup id wanna leave soriano at leadoff since hes comfortable there, put pie/theriot/murton in the 2 hole and go frmo there.  Get rid of Ohman for christs sake because he is not capable of being a major league pitcher and bring up someone that CAN get the job done

by CubsBall2202 on Apr 17, 2007 8:40 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I disagree about Jones.
Is he a superstar? No. He's a decent complementary player. He likely has some value to a contending team at the trading deadline -- it's probably too early to trade him anywhere and get any value for him.

I disagree further that he should just be dumped for anything they can get. Yes, it appears Felix Pie is the real thing, but let's wait more than one day before we anoint him the savior of this franchise.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Apr 17, 2007 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Besides...
 If you really want to look at this, Murton may be the odd man out here. He's got better value, cheaper salary, and he just doesn't quite seem to fit with what Lou is trying to do here. Not to mention the fact that it allows Soriano to slide back to left.

by Damen Jackson on Apr 17, 2007 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Except...
... what happens to Floyd then? Floyd can't play RF.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Apr 17, 2007 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not wishing it...
 Just looking at the situation from a management perspective. I like Murton, and hope he stays for a long time.

 As for Floyd, I wouldn't have believed someone would let Murton play in right. Until Lou did, that is. So, IF Pie sticks (after next week I don't think we see him again till fall), I'd expect Murton would be traded ahead of Jacque.

by Damen Jackson on Apr 17, 2007 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seems to me
if you want to clear space you'd dump Ward and keep Jones.
Players win awards but teams win championships.

by tharr on Apr 18, 2007 2:38 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pie in, Ward out
I agree, that scenario is best if Pie stays up. Jones / Murton / Floyd, makes for a great 3rd, 4th, and 5th OF, and our bench goes from good to phenomenal. Imagine how great Jones will be when he only faces right handers, and is only put in situations that are favorable for him. Floyd takes over as the backup 1B.

We'd be very deep and very good on the bench.

All Ward is, is Floyd without the (sigh) range.

by WittyUserName on Apr 18, 2007 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ward is
Doughboy Flloyd
Players win awards but teams win championships.

by tharr on Apr 18, 2007 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I should have restated the "trade him for ...
anything" comment, if theres a reasonable deal out there then i say they should do it, just from what happened to him the past year, i honestly dont think jones likes playing at wrigley and if he continues to struggle the fans will be getting on him even more, thus making it harder for him to succeed.  Pie certainly looks very comfortable and in place in center compared to soriano and if his arm really is as good as it seemed on that throw today then id love to see him up here much longer rather than AAA

by CubsBall2202 on Apr 17, 2007 8:53 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Jones....
... seemed really happy with the LF bleacher fans the last two days, was throwing balls up there and getting a lot of positive vibes.

I'm happy with keeping him if he produces. I'm happy with trading him if it improves the team.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Apr 17, 2007 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Second that.
Well put.  Folks need to relax on the trade wishes and rumors.....

We're in April here, and it's going to take 'til the middle of summer before any significant kind of trade will happen.....or before we know how this team and it's individual members are going to perform for the long haul.

Give Z whatever he Please...NOW!

by southerncubbie on Apr 17, 2007 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

"The fans ...
will be getting on him even more, thus making it harder for him to succeed."

Cubsball--it appears you are the example of that fan.  Jones couldn't sneeze in the outfield without your disapproval!  Why is that?  Why?

Granted, though I thought Jacque looked uncomfortable today--and I have no idea why he and Murton were playing opposite fields--he shouldn't just be shipped off for no return.  Give the guy a chance, even if it is to be nothing more than trade bait.

Thanks for making Jones' stay here a little more profitable.

LRRF

"God, grant me the Serenity to accept the Prior I cannot change ..."

by Littlerock Rynofan on Apr 17, 2007 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think its pretty clear
im not a huge jacque fan, ill admit the constant poor throws and baserunning issues last year rubbed me the wrong way.  I want the guy to succeed here and i want the team to win but it just appears that he doesn't do that much to contribute to the team.  If a deal comes up that would allow us to improve the team, I think hendry has to strongly consider it

by CubsBall2202 on Apr 17, 2007 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Last year was last year.
n/t
"God, grant me the Serenity to accept the Prior I cannot change ..."

by Littlerock Rynofan on Apr 17, 2007 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ohman
Is it possible that Ohman will be optioned down to Iowa for Carlos Marmol or Sean Marshall?  Possibly soon?

by Purddog76 on Apr 17, 2007 9:12 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

ohman's gonna have to be fired.
I don't care about a world series, just be competitive thru September.

by buckmulligan on Apr 17, 2007 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ummm...
before we go trading off OF's lets remember floyd usually dont stay healthy for long. hamstrings usually are a lingering injury. the riot looked flat out brilliant again today. man and all these doubters on here that said pie wasnt ready looked to be wrong today!! ok ok i was probably the loudest doubter of em all and for that i apologize if he turns out to be the real deal. one more thing everyone keeps bashing jones but what about our for sure out ss's. wtf have they done and wtf are they gonna do---nothing!!! put theriot there and dump those two little leaguers.
Here comes the nasty leftie to shut it down in the 9th......Clay Rapada!!!!

by cubsluver22 on Apr 17, 2007 9:18 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

At least...
... we have Zambrano and Hill going for us in Atlanta.  If Zambrano can screw his head on right this time and Hill can keep up his dominance, we might have a good mini road trip.

by Brave Sir Robin on Apr 17, 2007 9:23 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Pie's throw was beautiful.
I just couldn't get past how awesome it was. I love strong throwing arms. I went crazy after the throw and I commented on it's beauty, and my dad was like 'Estas loca' and then rolled his eyes. I know I'm crazy, but that throw was amazing.

I love Pie, so I'm thrilled he's here. I'm even more thrilled because I might get to see him play live. The Cubs lost, but I really don't feel unhappy. I have also discovered that I love extra innings games.

"I don't talk. I just let what I do talk for myself." -Johan Santana

by sparkles721 on Apr 17, 2007 9:32 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

pie and guzman...
my employer had an incentive program last year and some iCubs were signing autographs in our office so i grabbed the BP ball Marshall tossed me last year off of my desk and thought I would see who was there.  I walk in the room and it's Pie and Guzman.  Nobody else has a clue who they are and I am trying not to pee myself. (i was excited, sorry) Hoffpauir and Fontenot came in a few minutes later.  I didn't realize though that you need to use ink instead of sharpie on a baseball and a year later, you can hardly tell the ball was signed.  meh.

by iCub on Apr 17, 2007 9:45 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Swagger
There really is something to Lou's idea of a "Cubbie Swagger", and we just don't have it.  As much better as this team is, should be, than last year's, you just don't feel like they are going to pull these games out.  

Lou made a comment this spring something along the lines of there are 50 games you are going to loose and 50 games you are going to win throughout the course of the year, the season boils down to how you play in the other 62...so far we have not won any of those pivotal games.

by NashvilleBlue on Apr 17, 2007 9:50 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I had to laugh
I had to laugh when people started chanting Lets Go Pee Yay.  It does sound funny.
If your Dad buys part of the team do you get to shower with the players?

by kerrysotherwife on Apr 17, 2007 11:05 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Great recap.
Damn, I wish I could have seen Pie's throw to the plate!!
Hey Lou, we're long overdue.

by deadcatbounce on Apr 18, 2007 12:01 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Pie is the Real Deal
And as happy as I am for him, I can't get over the fact that it took until today for him to get first Major League AB. Why wasn't this kid brought up when this team was limping along all of last summer? There really is no excuse for that. Jim Hendry looks like a fool again if you ask me. A good look at Pie last summer and Soriano might not be wearing a Cub uniform.  And I swear if they even try and move Felix to a corner outfield spot, instead of Soriano. I will have lost the last ounce of faith I have in their ability to develop young players.
Len Kasper Sucks!

by TheRamZamDLEE on Apr 18, 2007 12:05 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Look at his minor league stats from last year
...and then you'll understand why.

He wasn't ready yet.  He turned a corner this winter and is ready now.  

by Wreckard on Apr 18, 2007 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Corner
Actually he turned the corner at the Minor League all-star break last season.  He should have been called up in September to see what he could do.  It might have resulted in spending the money spent on Soriano more wisely.  The only "advantage" is that it will postpone his service time by a full season.

by frustratedfan on Apr 18, 2007 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Totally agreed
with FrustratedFan.
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by danimal15 on Apr 18, 2007 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice recap, Al...
I saw the throw on ESPN tonight and it was impressive.  I expected to see Pie throwing from the warning track so when I saw the highlight and the location the first thought that came to me was "Dunston!"

Incidentally, was Dunston ever tried as a pitcher and clocked on the gun?

I did not expect Pie to be called up but maybe the think is that if Soriano needs only a few days off then there is no expectation going in to it that Pie will remain right now (all else held constant)?

I was critical of Jones in 2 earlier posts but I don't fault him here.  Before Pie's arrival he was our best defensive OF and even as the best he still has a poor arm so I don't expect him to be gunning guys down.  The injury to Soriano could make it very easy for Lou to reinstate him as LF of Cubs when healthy and move Jones to CF.

The Derosa stab was outstanding as well, some excellent defense by the Cubs today.

Too early to give up on Miller, but it would be better if he had an outing where his velocity broke the 90 mph barrier.  I think he deserves several more starts, but if his velocity starts dropping now and his walks increase then it's probably a sign of bad things to come for him in 2007 and he won't be given half a season with the MLB club to get it together.

 

by DudeVf11 on Apr 18, 2007 12:06 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

This move....
If Lou is worth his salt, this is the moment we will really see this team come together. When Alfonso comes back he can move to the 5 hole. Lou can claim that this will take the pressure of Soriano's hamstring, no longer having to play center and lead off. Move him to left, leave Pie in Center (MY GOD WHAT A GUN!!) and keep Murton and Floyd platooning in Right. Jacque be gone. And oh yeah, Ohman can help him pack. This is the team that I have always invisioned. Speed and power, a starting line up that  seems to know what they are doing, and an amazing bull-pen. Minus the before mentioned Ohman. I know they are 5 - 8, but I actually think this team has what it takes.

by louslovechild on Apr 18, 2007 12:07 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I apologize
I'm just terribly frustrated right now to the point where

A, I can't sleep (I know, get a life right).  

B, I don't even wanna look at a major league scoreboard.  

C, I'm not participating in fantasy baseball until things turn around.  

And D....not even sure I ever had a D, may have forgotten it.

Anyways, time to look at things with a respectable perspective.  Yes, right now we suck, and I am defining suck as we're losing a lot more games then we are winning.  And last place sucks too.  But it's early.  Not too early to make some roster moves, but too early to tank on the season, which I really really really wanna do when I see the Cubbies play, at times, horrible and ugly ball.

I also don't wanna go through the season just watching AWESOME plays from a bad team.  I'd rather see absolutely nothing flashy (no ropes to home like our "dessert treat" or moon shots by our home-grown big-man).  Yeah, that's right, I'd be happy if no one hit a home-run from here on out as long as good baseball is played at the right times.  Because with the individual talent this team has, that would be enough to win 85-95 games, on talent alone.  But instead we see Aramis swing at a face high fastball to K or Murt jump on a first pitch at the letters.  I'm ranting and I don't even remember where I was going with this.  But anyways, I think what I'm trying to say is that I'm sick of being happy with what has been going on.  I personally can't read about how great Pie was today because at the end of the day, it doesn't matter, if we don't win.  Pie could have a hall of fame career, I'm talking 500-500, 5-tools, pitch like Babe Ruth, whatever.  Obviously I would appreciate the beauty of something like his grace in the field or sweet sweet lefty swing or his absolute WMD throwing cannon of an arm, BUT, if he can't lead me to the promised land, I'll trade him right now for Corey Patterson if he's gonna get the job done.  Now I fully realize that on any other given day, derosa ends it walk off style with his shot to left, or it doesn't even get into extras, whatever.  I guess my frustration is stemming from the fact that I legitimately think that we should have 8 wins right now.   And to those who are thinking this, yes, I know it's April, but does anyone else think we need to have a good end of the month?  That is all, sorry for the random and probably frustrating to read post.

by lilkimmer77 on Apr 18, 2007 1:43 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No Reason to Apologize
I think a lot of us feel the same way.  Tired of looking at all the bright spots, or great individual efforts, only to feel like Hell when the game is over.  

2003 showed us how much fun winning can be after we had forgotten the joy of '84 and '89, and now loosing hurts even more.

by NashvilleBlue on Apr 18, 2007 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Happy for Pie
but getting disgusted with the losing record at home again. As I said a few days ago, we need to take care of business at home and in the division. Oh, and let me add, one run games. These three areas will kill us again, or any team for that matter. Maybe we cold get a lead once in a while, too. This season's start is an exact microcosm of last year. We'll have one game where we score 7+ then scuffle for a couple runs for another week or two. Ok, off my soap box...for now...
BigJohnAZ

by BigJohnAZ on Apr 18, 2007 3:37 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Another example of babying relievers.....
Running Ohman in there in the 14th yesterday was tantamount to waving the white flag. Dempster was going good, and had only thrown 2 innings. As a former starter, there is no reason that he could not be expected to go 3 or 4 innings in emergencies like a 14 inning game.

14 innings games do not happen often, but they do happen. When they do, and your bullpen does not have any guys conditioned to go 3 or 4 innings at a time, then games are lost because the bullpen is empty.....

By the way, who was going to play 1st base in the 15th had the game been tied? Was Marquis going to stay on and play 1st, since Lou had no position players left?

by perseman on Apr 18, 2007 8:07 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

If...
... Dempster had gone another inning, then he might not have been available today, or maybe even tomorrow. And if the game's still tied -- what then?

Most likely, had the Cubs tied it up, Marquis would have gone to the outfield, Theriot back to 2nd, and DeRosa to 1B.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Apr 18, 2007 8:14 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Makes sense to preserve Dempster
Although conceivably Howry or someone else (Wuertz?) could come in and save a game if needed the next day. I really think the "closer" role is over-dramatized. If a guy can't come in with a 2 or 3 run lead and hold it for one inning on a consistent basis (I allow a slip-up now and then), what's he doing in the majors anyway?
"Hello again, everybody. Harry Caray from Wrigley Field on a beautiful day for baseball."

by danimal15 on Apr 18, 2007 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right
That game was a war of attrition.  Sweet Lou was unafraid of using all his bullets in the battle.  He burned up his bullpen out of necessity.  Going to Ryan Dempster for a third inning was unadvisable.  The last bullet in the chamber was Wil Ohlman.  
"The Chicago Cubs - where managers go to have their careers die"

by BlueMike on Apr 18, 2007 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Win today!
You've made my point, Al. There is less than a 50% chance that any given game will present a save siuation to a given team. The odds would probably around 30%.

So a manager should manage each game with a mind to win that particular game, and worry about the next game tomorrow. I wasn't suggesting that Dempster throw 8 or 9 innings, only 3 or 4. Any major league reliever should be conditioned to throw 3-4 innings when the situation calls for it, as it did yesterday.

by perseman on Apr 18, 2007 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

relievers
I agree with your point that they should be able to throw 3 or 4 innings. Didn't Mariano Rivera throw 3 innings in a game once last year? I love seeing that. I think the current situation in baseball is a bit disjointed, what with five starters on a team conditioned to go 6 or 7 innings at a time and all the rest of the staff only available for one inning, or maybe 2 in a pinch. Managers need to groom some long relievers, in part for games like yesterday's, but also in case a starter gets knocked out early. Having a reliever pitch more than one inning also cuts back on mid-inning pitching changes, which slow down the game and force us to sit through more commercial interruptions.
"Hello again, everybody. Harry Caray from Wrigley Field on a beautiful day for baseball."

by danimal15 on Apr 18, 2007 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well...
... Guzman was doing that, but he was sent down.

I would love to see a guy on the staff who would be the fifth starter only when they need one, i.e. when the lack of days off make it necessary. This would probably be 18-20 starts a year, and the rest of the time he'd be the long man in the bullpen.

Here's one example of a guy in recent years who did that for a while, and quite well.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Apr 18, 2007 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

CUBS LAST PLACE IN CENTRAL!
such high hopes coming into the season, same ol' results. and of course i bought my 42 tickets in the vwr like the dummy i am every year. when am i going to learn...........
oh the mind control of jack brickhouse, taking a young boy and clouding his sense of reason at such a young age......
then in came harry, making it fun to come to the party house in chicago, but at least he would tell you when someone was stinking up the place.
and now i'm just too damn old to change teams, oh well, at least i wont be driven insane by this team, but i think if things continue the way they are, uncle lou will be looking at early retirement.....
wheatfield mike down here in god's country

by wheatfield mike on Apr 18, 2007 8:14 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

And why
AS either a Cardinals or White Sox fan are you here?  Only a cards or sox fan would take such joy in this and make a point of it.
If your Dad buys part of the team do you get to shower with the players?

by kerrysotherwife on Apr 18, 2007 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

puzzle
This organization needs to learn how to fit the pieces of the puzzle together.  You do NOT sign players just to sign them.  You should KNOW exactly where they are going to play & also where they are needed. If you need a CFer get a CFer.  If you need a 2nd baseman get a guy who primarily plays 2nd, etc. The good organizations fill the needs of their teams with guys who have actually played the positions in need.

by KedzieKid on Apr 18, 2007 9:16 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I thought Pie was the real deal in the spring
when I saw him, although I didn't see enough games to judge whether his plate discipline had improved enough to lead off (but, hey, we're leading off Soriano, a guy with little plate discipline).  Pie is going to be a great CFer.  Whether he can lead off remains to be seen.  Let's start seeing.  If he's not ready, maybe he can bat 6th or 7th.

I was pleasantly surprised when they brought him up without DL-ing Soriano, showing how much they think of him.  I think he's certainly got a chance to stay and start, but he'll have to produce to avoid going back to Iowa.  He can't sit on the bench at this point in his career.

And I don't see why keeping Pie up forces a decision on Jones.  Lou has shown he can get 4 OFs into most games, and both Soriano and Floyd are dinged up.  It's a long season.  Let's see what happens.  At the worst, right now there are a lot of options on the bench.  Let's stay with 11 pitchers for a while, play Pie, use the bench, and give Guzman a few AAA starts.  If things work out, and someone makes a great offer for Jones, terrific.  Otherwise, I'm fine with him staying until the trade deadline.  Or longer.  He's not a bad player.  The arm problems he had last year seem better.  I wouldn't let him start against any lefties, but we now have the depth to avoid that.  

by bleacher on Apr 18, 2007 9:19 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

It all comes down to
It all comes down to whether Felix Pie can adequately hit major league pitching.  Ideally, the Cubs should bat him in the # 7 hole.  The kid is going to strike out and  pitchers are going to feast on him, at least for awhile.  Hopefully he can make adjustments and in a year or two be a top quality hitter.  I don't see him ever being a top of the order type hitter though.  
"The Chicago Cubs - where managers go to have their careers die"

by BlueMike on Apr 18, 2007 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ryan Theriot
I am growing to really like Theriot.  I admit to previously being a cynic, ala my original take on Rich Hill.  This being said, Theriot has no business playing the outfield.  Not until he gains practice time and offseason time learning how to play the outfield.  His use should be restricted to 2nd base and 3rd base.  And with the versatile Mark DeRosa around, there is little in the way of Theriot logging significant playing time on this team.  

But for the love of God, keep Theriot out of the outfield for the time being.  If Sweet Lou needs another option for the outfield, then Hendry needs to get off his duff and make a roster move.  

"The Chicago Cubs - where managers go to have their careers die"

by BlueMike on Apr 18, 2007 9:41 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

We now have 5 OFers
3 lefties (Pie, Floyd + Jones)and 2 righties (Soriano + Murton).  Plus DeRosa.  I think we've got more than enough depth to keep Theriot out of the OF.  

Al, could/should he have caught that ball yesterday?

by bleacher on Apr 18, 2007 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Al, or some of you season-ticket folks
How has Izturis looked at SS?  Is he picking it?  Is he an above-average SS?  He's another guy who's been hurt, and isn't any longer.  He needs to show that he can help defensively.

by bleacher on Apr 18, 2007 9:46 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Miller's 3rd inning
I was watching the game on tv, and Lou treked out to talk to Miller because the ump wasn't calling very close pitches on the corner as strikes.  Wade was upset and starting talking to the ump, and took a few steps towards home plate after he walked the bases loaded (don't remember the batter).  Then Blanco got in between them and that's why Lou came out - just to calm him down/support him a little, it seemed, rather than have him get kicked out.  Len & Bob (and myself) thought it was a strike, obviously Wade did, too.

by gp1966 on Apr 18, 2007 11:44 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Pie will probably be sent back to Des Moines
Based upon my back-of-the-napkin math, Felix Pie has spent a total of 15 days on an optional assignment in 2007. (April 4-16).

Again, if I'm correct, that means that Pie is only 5 days away from spending the required 20 days in the minor leagues that would keep him from accruing a full 1.0 years of MLB service in 2007.

I hate to mess with the kid, but all things being equal, I'd like to see Felix Pie with .9 years of MLB service time at the end of 2007 (and 5.9 years of MLB service time at the end of 2011), rather than 6.0.... another minimal AAA optional assignment could mean delaying Pie's free agency date by a full season, right?

by ClosingTime on Apr 18, 2007 12:12 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Pie
Given that the Tribune Company is selling the Cubs and Jim Hendry's future job security is shaky at best, I don't think the Cubs will worry about Pie's service time accumlation.  Hendry needs to win now.  He could care less about long-term financial consequences, witness his offseason free agent moves to include backloaded and long-term contracts.  
"The Chicago Cubs - where managers go to have their careers die"

by BlueMike on Apr 18, 2007 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yup.
At least five days (whatever the minimum is) while they see if they can trade Jones and/or Murton (or until Floyd gets hurt).  But it may not come until Soriano is "healthy" and can play in CF and lead.  It might not come until the Cubs are out of it in August.

by frustratedfan on Apr 18, 2007 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wrigleyville Sports
Said they couldn't give me 3.14 as the number on my customized Felix Pie jersey. Daaaaamnit!

by HeyGundy on Apr 18, 2007 1:12 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Kerry Wood
What is the latest on Wood?  I have heard or read nothing.  Is he on a rehabilitation assignment?  Is he throwing on the side?  Is he completely shut down?  
"The Chicago Cubs - where managers go to have their careers die"

by BlueMike on Apr 18, 2007 1:18 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh, Man!
You guys remember that Oscar-winning film "Rookie of the Year"? You remember when Daniel Stern's character got locked in some cage thing and therefore couldn't make it out of the clubhouse for the game? Is there really one of those in the Cubs clubhouse? If so, can we find a way to stick Ohman in there?

by northsidenonsense on Apr 18, 2007 2:20 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Marquis
I would have loved to see him play first base or outfield in the 15th.

I still remember when the Dodgers had to put Fernando Valenzuela into the outfield against the Cubs. They switched him to left whenever a lefty came up, and then back to right for the righties. He didn't handle any chances, unfortunately.

"Hello again, everybody. Harry Caray from Wrigley Field on a beautiful day for baseball."

by danimal15 on Apr 18, 2007 2:37 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Pitchers in Left Field
I also remember when Don Zimmer had the idea to rotate Les Lancaster and Paul Assenmacher in and out of Left Field, according to match-ups.

That was probably in '89 or '90.

They only did it a few times and I never saw either of them handle a chance, though.

by Romero on Apr 18, 2007 3:18 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Baseball-reference...
... shows Lancaster as having played one game in the outfield in 1990.

Assenmacher never appeared in a game except as a pitcher at any time in his career.

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by Al on Apr 18, 2007 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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